Its already collapsed and blown over. Just like all the rest
Clean some things up and get back out there
What nobody wants to address is that tripping over some imaginary low bar isn't getting Joe elected
That guy is not fit to lead and America knows it even if our media leaders won't report it
And team joe leapt at two more debates
Fish on
Disagree. Hasn't collapsed and blown over. Yet.
Agree with the rest.
It shouldn’t even be an issue. He’s disavowed and denounce white supremacists for decades.
It’s the retards on the Left who either forget it, or who make things up like Proud Boys being white supremacists, which they are no under any definition.
I still can’t believe how badly Trump fucked up the condemning hate groups question.
“I condemn racism and hate groups of all kinds, unlike my opponent, who calls black people street predators, and is worried about white kids having to grow up in a racial jungle. My opponent, who supported race riots for months and encouraged domestic terrorists to attack the police and residents of our cities.”
That is low hanging fruit, and Trump fucked up royally with the “stand down and stand by” comment. He basically made himself the commanding officer of the Proud Boys.
We call those unforced errors, imo
The worst part about it was that the question was SO OBBIOUSLY canned and served up for him as a test. And while he was in the process of failing the test, the moderator kept nudging him and making it clear that this was a statement question and gave him a couple of chances to get it right and he just kept fucking it up. You could tell the gears were spinning and he made a calculated move. He just calculated badly. Very, very, very badly.
I have a sense for the line on which he is dancing. There are plenty of people, both in and outside of his base, who speak plainly and directly about race relations and have politically incorrect views on race according to the left; but those people are not racists. The Tug, for example, is full of those people. I think perhaps Trump and his advisors don't sufficiently appreciate the difference between those people and people like the Proud Boys. If I'm right about that, then that's on him and his people.
In any event, whatever the reason, he wasn't good on his feet on that point and he may have really screwed the pooch. I don't think this one just goes away because of our? short attention span. If I'm on the left, I hammer this point until it's done.
I know very little about the proud boys other than it was founded by former Vice media founder and its now run by a Enrique Tarrio, an AfroCuban guy.
The debates mean shit. They are purely for entertainment. Everyone already knows who they are voting for. You think if Trump embarrasses Biden in a debate any of the woke crowd is going to change their minds?
Its already collapsed and blown over. Just like all the rest
Clean some things up and get back out there
What nobody wants to address is that tripping over some imaginary low bar isn't getting Joe elected
That guy is not fit to lead and America knows it even if our media leaders won't report it
And team joe leapt at two more debates
Fish on
Disagree. Hasn't collapsed and blown over. Yet.
Agree with the rest.
Of course he has. It just isn't the narrative you hear every day
Imagine Trump hiding in the basement for 81% of the campaign. Then look at when Joe does appear. Then look at the debate without Trump and Chrissy deflecting attention away from Joe stumbling and closing his eyes and muttering nonsense
Like most of us agree - the next debate shut up and let Joe be Joe
By "collapsed", I thought you meant the white supremacy group fumble. They're still talking about it.
Yes. And in the next debate, when you are served up a meatball on "white supremacy", don't fuck around; swing at it and make contact. Easy answer: "of course I denounce white supremacy. don't you?"
Nobody knew shit about Proud Boys before that.
Now they all know the Portland chapter is headed by a black guy and there are numerous blacks in the organization. Dems are dumb that way. Free pub.
Biden picked the wrong group. Should have gone KKK but that opens up his man love for Robert Byrd
Its already collapsed and blown over. Just like all the rest
Clean some things up and get back out there
What nobody wants to address is that tripping over some imaginary low bar isn't getting Joe elected
That guy is not fit to lead and America knows it even if our media leaders won't report it
And team joe leapt at two more debates
Fish on
Disagree. Hasn't collapsed and blown over. Yet.
Agree with the rest.
Of course he has. It just isn't the narrative you hear every day
Imagine Trump hiding in the basement for 81% of the campaign. Then look at when Joe does appear. Then look at the debate without Trump and Chrissy deflecting attention away from Joe stumbling and closing his eyes and muttering nonsense
Like most of us agree - the next debate shut up and let Joe be Joe
By "collapsed", I thought you meant the white supremacy group fumble. They're still talking about it.
Yes. And in the next debate, when you are served up a meatball on "white supremacy", don't fuck around; swing at it and make contact. Easy answer: "of course I denounce white supremacy. don't you?"
Nobody knew shit about Proud Boys before that.
Now they all know the Portland chapter is headed by a black guy and there are numerous blacks in the organization. Dems are dumb that way. Free pub.
Biden picked the wrong group. Should have gone KKK but that opens up his man love for Robert Byrd
But Wallace didn't. He asked simply if he would condemn white supremacist groups, and he fucked around with it before Biden even mentioned the Proud Boys.
This is pretty simple: don't do that again. Just say "of course" and don't make it seem like you have to think about it.
Its already collapsed and blown over. Just like all the rest
Clean some things up and get back out there
What nobody wants to address is that tripping over some imaginary low bar isn't getting Joe elected
That guy is not fit to lead and America knows it even if our media leaders won't report it
And team joe leapt at two more debates
Fish on
Disagree. Hasn't collapsed and blown over. Yet.
Agree with the rest.
Of course he has. It just isn't the narrative you hear every day
Imagine Trump hiding in the basement for 81% of the campaign. Then look at when Joe does appear. Then look at the debate without Trump and Chrissy deflecting attention away from Joe stumbling and closing his eyes and muttering nonsense
Like most of us agree - the next debate shut up and let Joe be Joe
By "collapsed", I thought you meant the white supremacy group fumble. They're still talking about it.
Yes. And in the next debate, when you are served up a meatball on "white supremacy", don't fuck around; swing at it and make contact. Easy answer: "of course I denounce white supremacy. don't you?"
Nobody knew shit about Proud Boys before that.
Now they all know the Portland chapter is headed by a black guy and there are numerous blacks in the organization. Dems are dumb that way. Free pub.
Biden picked the wrong group. Should have gone KKK but that opens up his man love for Robert Byrd
But Wallace didn't. He asked simply if he would condemn white supremacist groups, and he fucked around with it before Biden even mentioned the Proud Boys.
This is pretty simple: don't do that again. Just say "of course" and don't make it seem like you have to think about it.
Nope
Wallace asked Trump if he would tell them to stand down - the part that gets left out because it provides context
I still can’t believe how badly Trump fucked up the condemning hate groups question.
“I condemn racism and hate groups of all kinds, unlike my opponent, who calls black people street predators, and is worried about white kids having to grow up in a racial jungle. My opponent, who supported race riots for months and encouraged domestic terrorists to attack the police and residents of our cities.”
That is low hanging fruit, and Trump fucked up royally with the “stand down and stand by” comment. He basically made himself the commanding officer of the Proud Boys.
We call those unforced errors, imo
The worst part about it was that the question was SO OBBIOUSLY canned and served up for him as a test. And while he was in the process of failing the test, the moderator kept nudging him and making it clear that this was a statement question and gave him a couple of chances to get it right and he just kept fucking it up. You could tell the gears were spinning and he made a calculated move. He just calculated badly. Very, very, very badly.
I have a sense for the line on which he is dancing. There are plenty of people, both in and outside of his base, who speak plainly and directly about race relations and have politically incorrect views on race according to the left; but those people are not racists. The Tug, for example, is full of those people. I think perhaps Trump and his advisors don't sufficiently appreciate the difference between those people and people like the Proud Boys. If I'm right about that, then that's on him and his people.
In any event, whatever the reason, he wasn't good on his feet on that point and he may have really screwed the pooch. I don't think this one just goes away because of our? short attention span. If I'm on the left, I hammer this point until it's done.
I know very little about the proud boys other than it was founded by former Vice media founder and its now run by a Enrique Tarrio, an AfroCuban guy.
Are they actually a white supremacist group or are they just labeled that by the media at large?
They aren't white supremacist.
The media is lazy and/or disingenuous.
Their founder has certainly danced on the line of white nationalism.
In 2002 he stated that he was glad that Brooklyn hipsters were predominantly white. In a separate interview he said, ''I love being white and I think it's something to be very proud of. “I don't want our culture diluted. We need to close the borders now and let everyone assimilate to a Western, white, English-speaking way of life.''
Sounds like OBK if I say so myself.
There are some interesting articles out there about the increased enrollment of afro-hispanics with the organization. Not sure I understand the group entirely myself. I would expect you'd find a decent amount of racist people among their ranks despite the membership of afro-hispanics.
I still can’t believe how badly Trump fucked up the condemning hate groups question.
“I condemn racism and hate groups of all kinds, unlike my opponent, who calls black people street predators, and is worried about white kids having to grow up in a racial jungle. My opponent, who supported race riots for months and encouraged domestic terrorists to attack the police and residents of our cities.”
That is low hanging fruit, and Trump fucked up royally with the “stand down and stand by” comment. He basically made himself the commanding officer of the Proud Boys.
We call those unforced errors, imo
The worst part about it was that the question was SO OBVIOUSLY canned and served up for him as a test. And while he was in the process of failing the test, the moderator kept nudging him and making it clear that this was a statement question and gave him a couple of chances to get it right and he just kept fucking it up. You could tell the gears were spinning and he made a calculated move. He just calculated badly. Very, very, very badly.
I have a sense for the line on which he is dancing. There are plenty of people, both in and outside of his base, who speak plainly and directly about race relations and have politically incorrect views on race according to the left; but those people are not racists. The Tug, for example, is full of those people. I think perhaps Trump and his advisors don't sufficiently appreciate the difference between those people and people like the Proud Boys. If I'm right about that, then that's on him and his people.
In any event, whatever the reason, he wasn't good on his feet on that point and he may have really screwed the pooch. I don't think this one just goes away because of our? short attention span. If I'm on the left, I hammer this point until it's done.
I think you nailed it. There are plenty of good decent folks who see BLM and say "they are the real racists basing everything on skin color, being aggrieved, having huge double standards on black v black vs. white v black violence, and being violent in US cities when not getting their way." To the hardcore left, those people who think like that are racists, but to everyone else with a brain nothing about that comment is racist. It's fact, not feeling. The Proud Boys and other groups are not that though. They range from passively to militantly anti-black.
The issue with Trump is he is too politically clumsy to court the first group - rational actors who see the huge double standards and issues with cancel culture and a BLM movement based on tearing down America - without clearly denouncing the second group - actual dyed in the wool get to the back of the bus racists. It's not a super difficult task for a deft public speaker with some real political chops, but Trump wasn't hired for his political chops. He's a bull, and bulls don't do bonsai, they break china (lulz).
Trump blew it hard with that exchange, and it played right into the hands of how the media has been trying to portray him for 4 years. Everyone who isn't a complete brain on fire imbecile knows Trump isn't actually a racist, he is a clumsy politician trying to court a huge rational segment of the electorate with legitimate concerns over issues of race. But, the media has all the ammo they need now to paint him as the Grand Dragon. You have to pitch a perfect game as a GOP candidate in a tight race, when the entire political establishment, ballot fraud, and the media empire is allied against you, and Trump's heater was junk when he needed it most.
Mark me down for Biden in a closer one than people expected. Only caveat is if there are more debates and we get drooling Joe just once.
Lolz. He is a fucking Bull. Great post. I think the answer to the question "do you condemn white supremacy groups" was "What the fuck kind of question is that? Of course I do. Next question." Instead, he asked for names, as if to imply, "Depends on which one you're talking about." It was just a mistake. And like I said in an earlier post, he absolutely TROUNCED Biden on substance. Biden brought literally nothing to the debate. He said absolutely nothing. Anyone who votes for that clown better understand that he is going to be a puppet and will do what he's told by the Democratic power lords that operate behind the curtain. He is literally on his way to assisted living.
No one ever accused Trump of being quick on his feet.
During the debate when Biden started getting pissed off, I thought the line of the century could have been, "What, you want to challenge me to some pushups now Joe?"
I still can’t believe how badly Trump fucked up the condemning hate groups question.
“I condemn racism and hate groups of all kinds, unlike my opponent, who calls black people street predators, and is worried about white kids having to grow up in a racial jungle. My opponent, who supported race riots for months and encouraged domestic terrorists to attack the police and residents of our cities.”
That is low hanging fruit, and Trump fucked up royally with the “stand down and stand by” comment. He basically made himself the commanding officer of the Proud Boys.
We call those unforced errors, imo
The worst part about it was that the question was SO OBBIOUSLY canned and served up for him as a test. And while he was in the process of failing the test, the moderator kept nudging him and making it clear that this was a statement question and gave him a couple of chances to get it right and he just kept fucking it up. You could tell the gears were spinning and he made a calculated move. He just calculated badly. Very, very, very badly.
I have a sense for the line on which he is dancing. There are plenty of people, both in and outside of his base, who speak plainly and directly about race relations and have politically incorrect views on race according to the left; but those people are not racists. The Tug, for example, is full of those people. I think perhaps Trump and his advisors don't sufficiently appreciate the difference between those people and people like the Proud Boys. If I'm right about that, then that's on him and his people.
In any event, whatever the reason, he wasn't good on his feet on that point and he may have really screwed the pooch. I don't think this one just goes away because of our? short attention span. If I'm on the left, I hammer this point until it's done.
I know very little about the proud boys other than it was founded by former Vice media founder and its now run by a Enrique Tarrio, an AfroCuban guy.
Are they actually a white supremacist group or are they just labeled that by the media at large?
They aren't white supremacist.
The media is lazy and/or disingenuous.
Their founder has certainly danced on the line of white nationalism.
In 2002 he stated that he was glad that Brooklyn hipsters were predominantly white. In a separate interview he said, ''I love being white and I think it's something to be very proud of. “I don't want our culture diluted. We need to close the borders now and let everyone assimilate to a Western, white, English-speaking way of life.''
Sounds like OBK if I say so myself.
There are some interesting articles out there about the increased enrollment of afro-hispanics with the organization. Not sure I understand the group entirely myself. I would expect you'd find a decent amount of racist people among their ranks despite the membership of afro-hispanics.
Didn't watch/didn't read, but is the "founder's quote" there from Gavin McInness?
I still can’t believe how badly Trump fucked up the condemning hate groups question.
“I condemn racism and hate groups of all kinds, unlike my opponent, who calls black people street predators, and is worried about white kids having to grow up in a racial jungle. My opponent, who supported race riots for months and encouraged domestic terrorists to attack the police and residents of our cities.”
That is low hanging fruit, and Trump fucked up royally with the “stand down and stand by” comment. He basically made himself the commanding officer of the Proud Boys.
We call those unforced errors, imo
The worst part about it was that the question was SO OBVIOUSLY canned and served up for him as a test. And while he was in the process of failing the test, the moderator kept nudging him and making it clear that this was a statement question and gave him a couple of chances to get it right and he just kept fucking it up. You could tell the gears were spinning and he made a calculated move. He just calculated badly. Very, very, very badly.
I have a sense for the line on which he is dancing. There are plenty of people, both in and outside of his base, who speak plainly and directly about race relations and have politically incorrect views on race according to the left; but those people are not racists. The Tug, for example, is full of those people. I think perhaps Trump and his advisors don't sufficiently appreciate the difference between those people and people like the Proud Boys. If I'm right about that, then that's on him and his people.
In any event, whatever the reason, he wasn't good on his feet on that point and he may have really screwed the pooch. I don't think this one just goes away because of our? short attention span. If I'm on the left, I hammer this point until it's done.
I think you nailed it. There are plenty of good decent folks who see BLM and say "they are the real racists basing everything on skin color, being aggrieved, having huge double standards on black v black vs. white v black violence, and being violent in US cities when not getting their way." To the hardcore left, those people who think like that are racists, but to everyone else with a brain nothing about that comment is racist. It's fact, not feeling. The Proud Boys and other groups are not that though. They range from passively to militantly anti-black.
The issue with Trump is he is too politically clumsy to court the first group - rational actors who see the huge double standards and issues with cancel culture and a BLM movement based on tearing down America - without clearly denouncing the second group - actual dyed in the wool get to the back of the bus racists. It's not a super difficult task for a deft public speaker with some real political chops, but Trump wasn't hired for his political chops. He's a bull, and bulls don't do bonsai, they break china (lulz).
Trump blew it hard with that exchange, and it played right into the hands of how the media has been trying to portray him for 4 years. Everyone who isn't a complete brain on fire imbecile knows Trump isn't actually a racist, he is a clumsy politician trying to court a huge rational segment of the electorate with legitimate concerns over issues of race. But, the media has all the ammo they need now to paint him as the Grand Dragon. You have to pitch a perfect game as a GOP candidate in a tight race, when the entire political establishment, ballot fraud, and the media empire is allied against you, and Trump's heater was junk when he needed it most.
Mark me down for Biden in a closer one than people expected. Only caveat is if there are more debates and we get drooling Joe just once.
Lolz. He is a fucking Bull. Great post. I think the answer to the question "do you condemn white supremacy groups" was "What the fuck kind of question is that? Of course I do. Next question." Instead, he asked for names, as if to imply, "Depends on which one you're talking about." It was just a mistake. And like I said in an earlier post, he absolutely TROUNCED Biden on substance. Biden brought literally nothing to the debate. He said absolutely nothing. Anyone who votes for that clown better understand that he is going to be a puppet and will do what he's told by the Democratic power lords that operate behind the curtain. He is literally on his way to assisted living.
No one ever accused Trump of being quick on his feet.
During the debate when Biden started getting pissed off, I thought the line of the century could have been, "What, you want to challenge me to some pushups now Joe?"
I really believe that if Trump had pulled back a little on the interrupting bit and answered the white supremacy question head on there is an entirely different take on the debate because he was the only guy on stage who really said anything. Biden had nothing. He made zero points.
I still can’t believe how badly Trump fucked up the condemning hate groups question.
“I condemn racism and hate groups of all kinds, unlike my opponent, who calls black people street predators, and is worried about white kids having to grow up in a racial jungle. My opponent, who supported race riots for months and encouraged domestic terrorists to attack the police and residents of our cities.”
That is low hanging fruit, and Trump fucked up royally with the “stand down and stand by” comment. He basically made himself the commanding officer of the Proud Boys.
We call those unforced errors, imo
The worst part about it was that the question was SO OBVIOUSLY canned and served up for him as a test. And while he was in the process of failing the test, the moderator kept nudging him and making it clear that this was a statement question and gave him a couple of chances to get it right and he just kept fucking it up. You could tell the gears were spinning and he made a calculated move. He just calculated badly. Very, very, very badly.
I have a sense for the line on which he is dancing. There are plenty of people, both in and outside of his base, who speak plainly and directly about race relations and have politically incorrect views on race according to the left; but those people are not racists. The Tug, for example, is full of those people. I think perhaps Trump and his advisors don't sufficiently appreciate the difference between those people and people like the Proud Boys. If I'm right about that, then that's on him and his people.
In any event, whatever the reason, he wasn't good on his feet on that point and he may have really screwed the pooch. I don't think this one just goes away because of our? short attention span. If I'm on the left, I hammer this point until it's done.
I think you nailed it. There are plenty of good decent folks who see BLM and say "they are the real racists basing everything on skin color, being aggrieved, having huge double standards on black v black vs. white v black violence, and being violent in US cities when not getting their way." To the hardcore left, those people who think like that are racists, but to everyone else with a brain nothing about that comment is racist. It's fact, not feeling. The Proud Boys and other groups are not that though. They range from passively to militantly anti-black.
The issue with Trump is he is too politically clumsy to court the first group - rational actors who see the huge double standards and issues with cancel culture and a BLM movement based on tearing down America - without clearly denouncing the second group - actual dyed in the wool get to the back of the bus racists. It's not a super difficult task for a deft public speaker with some real political chops, but Trump wasn't hired for his political chops. He's a bull, and bulls don't do bonsai, they break china (lulz).
Trump blew it hard with that exchange, and it played right into the hands of how the media has been trying to portray him for 4 years. Everyone who isn't a complete brain on fire imbecile knows Trump isn't actually a racist, he is a clumsy politician trying to court a huge rational segment of the electorate with legitimate concerns over issues of race. But, the media has all the ammo they need now to paint him as the Grand Dragon. You have to pitch a perfect game as a GOP candidate in a tight race, when the entire political establishment, ballot fraud, and the media empire is allied against you, and Trump's heater was junk when he needed it most.
Mark me down for Biden in a closer one than people expected. Only caveat is if there are more debates and we get drooling Joe just once.
Lolz. He is a fucking Bull. Great post. I think the answer to the question "do you condemn white supremacy groups" was "What the fuck kind of question is that? Of course I do. Next question." Instead, he asked for names, as if to imply, "Depends on which one you're talking about." It was just a mistake. And like I said in an earlier post, he absolutely TROUNCED Biden on substance. Biden brought literally nothing to the debate. He said absolutely nothing. Anyone who votes for that clown better understand that he is going to be a puppet and will do what he's told by the Democratic power lords that operate behind the curtain. He is literally on his way to assisted living.
No one ever accused Trump of being quick on his feet.
During the debate when Biden started getting pissed off, I thought the line of the century could have been, "What, you want to challenge me to some pushups now Joe?"
I really believe that if Trump had pulled back a little on the interrupting bit and answered the white supremacy question head on there is an entirely different take on the debate because he was the only guy on stage who really said anything. Biden had nothing. He made zero points.
So why wasn't his answer to Chrissy in 2016 good enough? Or the numerous other times?
Because the multiple gaffes by Biden have to be covered up
I aint playin bro. In it to win it. I'm about to jump in that elevator and get down to the field to get some
I still can’t believe how badly Trump fucked up the condemning hate groups question.
“I condemn racism and hate groups of all kinds, unlike my opponent, who calls black people street predators, and is worried about white kids having to grow up in a racial jungle. My opponent, who supported race riots for months and encouraged domestic terrorists to attack the police and residents of our cities.”
That is low hanging fruit, and Trump fucked up royally with the “stand down and stand by” comment. He basically made himself the commanding officer of the Proud Boys.
We call those unforced errors, imo
The worst part about it was that the question was SO OBVIOUSLY canned and served up for him as a test. And while he was in the process of failing the test, the moderator kept nudging him and making it clear that this was a statement question and gave him a couple of chances to get it right and he just kept fucking it up. You could tell the gears were spinning and he made a calculated move. He just calculated badly. Very, very, very badly.
I have a sense for the line on which he is dancing. There are plenty of people, both in and outside of his base, who speak plainly and directly about race relations and have politically incorrect views on race according to the left; but those people are not racists. The Tug, for example, is full of those people. I think perhaps Trump and his advisors don't sufficiently appreciate the difference between those people and people like the Proud Boys. If I'm right about that, then that's on him and his people.
In any event, whatever the reason, he wasn't good on his feet on that point and he may have really screwed the pooch. I don't think this one just goes away because of our? short attention span. If I'm on the left, I hammer this point until it's done.
I think you nailed it. There are plenty of good decent folks who see BLM and say "they are the real racists basing everything on skin color, being aggrieved, having huge double standards on black v black vs. white v black violence, and being violent in US cities when not getting their way." To the hardcore left, those people who think like that are racists, but to everyone else with a brain nothing about that comment is racist. It's fact, not feeling. The Proud Boys and other groups are not that though. They range from passively to militantly anti-black.
The issue with Trump is he is too politically clumsy to court the first group - rational actors who see the huge double standards and issues with cancel culture and a BLM movement based on tearing down America - without clearly denouncing the second group - actual dyed in the wool get to the back of the bus racists. It's not a super difficult task for a deft public speaker with some real political chops, but Trump wasn't hired for his political chops. He's a bull, and bulls don't do bonsai, they break china (lulz).
Trump blew it hard with that exchange, and it played right into the hands of how the media has been trying to portray him for 4 years. Everyone who isn't a complete brain on fire imbecile knows Trump isn't actually a racist, he is a clumsy politician trying to court a huge rational segment of the electorate with legitimate concerns over issues of race. But, the media has all the ammo they need now to paint him as the Grand Dragon. You have to pitch a perfect game as a GOP candidate in a tight race, when the entire political establishment, ballot fraud, and the media empire is allied against you, and Trump's heater was junk when he needed it most.
Mark me down for Biden in a closer one than people expected. Only caveat is if there are more debates and we get drooling Joe just once.
Lolz. He is a fucking Bull. Great post. I think the answer to the question "do you condemn white supremacy groups" was "What the fuck kind of question is that? Of course I do. Next question." Instead, he asked for names, as if to imply, "Depends on which one you're talking about." It was just a mistake. And like I said in an earlier post, he absolutely TROUNCED Biden on substance. Biden brought literally nothing to the debate. He said absolutely nothing. Anyone who votes for that clown better understand that he is going to be a puppet and will do what he's told by the Democratic power lords that operate behind the curtain. He is literally on his way to assisted living.
No one ever accused Trump of being quick on his feet.
During the debate when Biden started getting pissed off, I thought the line of the century could have been, "What, you want to challenge me to some pushups now Joe?"
I really believe that if Trump had pulled back a little on the interrupting bit and answered the white supremacy question head on there is an entirely different take on the debate because he was the only guy on stage who really said anything. Biden had nothing. He made zero points.
Biden does this bizarre thing where he talks about something for like 10-15 seconds but then right before he makes the point he stops and begins something else. Its nuts.
I still can’t believe how badly Trump fucked up the condemning hate groups question.
“I condemn racism and hate groups of all kinds, unlike my opponent, who calls black people street predators, and is worried about white kids having to grow up in a racial jungle. My opponent, who supported race riots for months and encouraged domestic terrorists to attack the police and residents of our cities.”
That is low hanging fruit, and Trump fucked up royally with the “stand down and stand by” comment. He basically made himself the commanding officer of the Proud Boys.
We call those unforced errors, imo
The worst part about it was that the question was SO OBBIOUSLY canned and served up for him as a test. And while he was in the process of failing the test, the moderator kept nudging him and making it clear that this was a statement question and gave him a couple of chances to get it right and he just kept fucking it up. You could tell the gears were spinning and he made a calculated move. He just calculated badly. Very, very, very badly.
I have a sense for the line on which he is dancing. There are plenty of people, both in and outside of his base, who speak plainly and directly about race relations and have politically incorrect views on race according to the left; but those people are not racists. The Tug, for example, is full of those people. I think perhaps Trump and his advisors don't sufficiently appreciate the difference between those people and people like the Proud Boys. If I'm right about that, then that's on him and his people.
In any event, whatever the reason, he wasn't good on his feet on that point and he may have really screwed the pooch. I don't think this one just goes away because of our? short attention span. If I'm on the left, I hammer this point until it's done.
I know very little about the proud boys other than it was founded by former Vice media founder and its now run by a Enrique Tarrio, an AfroCuban guy.
Are they actually a white supremacist group or are they just labeled that by the media at large?
They aren't white supremacist.
The media is lazy and/or disingenuous.
Their founder has certainly danced on the line of white nationalism.
In 2002 he stated that he was glad that Brooklyn hipsters were predominantly white. In a separate interview he said, ''I love being white and I think it's something to be very proud of. “I don't want our culture diluted. We need to close the borders now and let everyone assimilate to a Western, white, English-speaking way of life.''
Sounds like OBK if I say so myself.
There are some interesting articles out there about the increased enrollment of afro-hispanics with the organization. Not sure I understand the group entirely myself. I would expect you'd find a decent amount of racist people among their ranks despite the membership of afro-hispanics.
Public mea culpa. I had believed they were at least passively racist. Got some interesting private comments today and did a little research. They do not appear to be racist upon review. Do they have some members who are probably racist? sure.gif
But as an organization, I think there is leftist smear bullshit at work. Trump still could have handled the question better. Does bring up an interesting point though. If you are an organization that espouses violence but are black, it's totally cool. If you are an organization that is far right politically, you are automatically racist and everyone including Wikipedia will label you as racist whether it is true or not.
I still can’t believe how badly Trump fucked up the condemning hate groups question.
“I condemn racism and hate groups of all kinds, unlike my opponent, who calls black people street predators, and is worried about white kids having to grow up in a racial jungle. My opponent, who supported race riots for months and encouraged domestic terrorists to attack the police and residents of our cities.”
That is low hanging fruit, and Trump fucked up royally with the “stand down and stand by” comment. He basically made himself the commanding officer of the Proud Boys.
We call those unforced errors, imo
The worst part about it was that the question was SO OBBIOUSLY canned and served up for him as a test. And while he was in the process of failing the test, the moderator kept nudging him and making it clear that this was a statement question and gave him a couple of chances to get it right and he just kept fucking it up. You could tell the gears were spinning and he made a calculated move. He just calculated badly. Very, very, very badly.
I have a sense for the line on which he is dancing. There are plenty of people, both in and outside of his base, who speak plainly and directly about race relations and have politically incorrect views on race according to the left; but those people are not racists. The Tug, for example, is full of those people. I think perhaps Trump and his advisors don't sufficiently appreciate the difference between those people and people like the Proud Boys. If I'm right about that, then that's on him and his people.
In any event, whatever the reason, he wasn't good on his feet on that point and he may have really screwed the pooch. I don't think this one just goes away because of our? short attention span. If I'm on the left, I hammer this point until it's done.
I know very little about the proud boys other than it was founded by former Vice media founder and its now run by a Enrique Tarrio, an AfroCuban guy.
Are they actually a white supremacist group or are they just labeled that by the media at large?
They aren't white supremacist.
The media is lazy and/or disingenuous.
Their founder has certainly danced on the line of white nationalism.
In 2002 he stated that he was glad that Brooklyn hipsters were predominantly white. In a separate interview he said, ''I love being white and I think it's something to be very proud of. “I don't want our culture diluted. We need to close the borders now and let everyone assimilate to a Western, white, English-speaking way of life.''
Sounds like OBK if I say so myself.
There are some interesting articles out there about the increased enrollment of afro-hispanics with the organization. Not sure I understand the group entirely myself. I would expect you'd find a decent amount of racist people among their ranks despite the membership of afro-hispanics.
Didn't watch/didn't read, but is the "founder's quote" there from Gavin McInness?
I still can’t believe how badly Trump fucked up the condemning hate groups question.
“I condemn racism and hate groups of all kinds, unlike my opponent, who calls black people street predators, and is worried about white kids having to grow up in a racial jungle. My opponent, who supported race riots for months and encouraged domestic terrorists to attack the police and residents of our cities.”
That is low hanging fruit, and Trump fucked up royally with the “stand down and stand by” comment. He basically made himself the commanding officer of the Proud Boys.
We call those unforced errors, imo
The worst part about it was that the question was SO OBBIOUSLY canned and served up for him as a test. And while he was in the process of failing the test, the moderator kept nudging him and making it clear that this was a statement question and gave him a couple of chances to get it right and he just kept fucking it up. You could tell the gears were spinning and he made a calculated move. He just calculated badly. Very, very, very badly.
I have a sense for the line on which he is dancing. There are plenty of people, both in and outside of his base, who speak plainly and directly about race relations and have politically incorrect views on race according to the left; but those people are not racists. The Tug, for example, is full of those people. I think perhaps Trump and his advisors don't sufficiently appreciate the difference between those people and people like the Proud Boys. If I'm right about that, then that's on him and his people.
In any event, whatever the reason, he wasn't good on his feet on that point and he may have really screwed the pooch. I don't think this one just goes away because of our? short attention span. If I'm on the left, I hammer this point until it's done.
I know very little about the proud boys other than it was founded by former Vice media founder and its now run by a Enrique Tarrio, an AfroCuban guy.
Are they actually a white supremacist group or are they just labeled that by the media at large?
They aren't white supremacist.
The media is lazy and/or disingenuous.
Their founder has certainly danced on the line of white nationalism.
In 2002 he stated that he was glad that Brooklyn hipsters were predominantly white. In a separate interview he said, ''I love being white and I think it's something to be very proud of. “I don't want our culture diluted. We need to close the borders now and let everyone assimilate to a Western, white, English-speaking way of life.''
Sounds like OBK if I say so myself.
There are some interesting articles out there about the increased enrollment of afro-hispanics with the organization. Not sure I understand the group entirely myself. I would expect you'd find a decent amount of racist people among their ranks despite the membership of afro-hispanics.
Public mea culpa. I had believed they were at least passively racist. Got some interesting private comments today and did a little research. They do not appear to be racist upon review. Do they have some members who are probably racist? sure.gif
But as an organization, I think there is leftist smear bullshit at work. Trump still could have handled the question better. Does bring up an interesting point though. If you are an organization that espouses violence but are black, it's totally cool. If you are an organization that is far right politically, you are automatically racist and everyone including Wikipedia will label you as racist whether it is true or not.
Pretty cool.
Agree with most of that. My jury is still out on Proud Boys. Some interesting stuff out there about why black hispanics have joined and how that works ... kind of.
Also a lot of shit out there on the founder, Gavin McInnes, who's had his own radio show and has walked in alt-right circles forever. There's a lot to suggest he's a white nationalist and isn't fond of the Jews. Now, that's the founder and he left in 2018. So there's that. What they really are now is anybody's guess.
If you say that it pisses you off to have ballots printed in 3 dozen languages given that a requirement for American citizenship included proficiency in English, then ergo you are racist.
I still can’t believe how badly Trump fucked up the condemning hate groups question.
“I condemn racism and hate groups of all kinds, unlike my opponent, who calls black people street predators, and is worried about white kids having to grow up in a racial jungle. My opponent, who supported race riots for months and encouraged domestic terrorists to attack the police and residents of our cities.”
That is low hanging fruit, and Trump fucked up royally with the “stand down and stand by” comment. He basically made himself the commanding officer of the Proud Boys.
We call those unforced errors, imo
The worst part about it was that the question was SO OBVIOUSLY canned and served up for him as a test. And while he was in the process of failing the test, the moderator kept nudging him and making it clear that this was a statement question and gave him a couple of chances to get it right and he just kept fucking it up. You could tell the gears were spinning and he made a calculated move. He just calculated badly. Very, very, very badly.
I have a sense for the line on which he is dancing. There are plenty of people, both in and outside of his base, who speak plainly and directly about race relations and have politically incorrect views on race according to the left; but those people are not racists. The Tug, for example, is full of those people. I think perhaps Trump and his advisors don't sufficiently appreciate the difference between those people and people like the Proud Boys. If I'm right about that, then that's on him and his people.
In any event, whatever the reason, he wasn't good on his feet on that point and he may have really screwed the pooch. I don't think this one just goes away because of our? short attention span. If I'm on the left, I hammer this point until it's done.
I think you nailed it. There are plenty of good decent folks who see BLM and say "they are the real racists basing everything on skin color, being aggrieved, having huge double standards on black v black vs. white v black violence, and being violent in US cities when not getting their way." To the hardcore left, those people who think like that are racists, but to everyone else with a brain nothing about that comment is racist. It's fact, not feeling. The Proud Boys and other groups are not that though. They range from passively to militantly anti-black.
The issue with Trump is he is too politically clumsy to court the first group - rational actors who see the huge double standards and issues with cancel culture and a BLM movement based on tearing down America - without clearly denouncing the second group - actual dyed in the wool get to the back of the bus racists. It's not a super difficult task for a deft public speaker with some real political chops, but Trump wasn't hired for his political chops. He's a bull, and bulls don't do bonsai, they break china (lulz).
Trump blew it hard with that exchange, and it played right into the hands of how the media has been trying to portray him for 4 years. Everyone who isn't a complete brain on fire imbecile knows Trump isn't actually a racist, he is a clumsy politician trying to court a huge rational segment of the electorate with legitimate concerns over issues of race. But, the media has all the ammo they need now to paint him as the Grand Dragon. You have to pitch a perfect game as a GOP candidate in a tight race, when the entire political establishment, ballot fraud, and the media empire is allied against you, and Trump's heater was junk when he needed it most.
Mark me down for Biden in a closer one than people expected. Only caveat is if there are more debates and we get drooling Joe just once.
Lolz. He is a fucking Bull. Great post. I think the answer to the question "do you condemn white supremacy groups" was "What the fuck kind of question is that? Of course I do. Next question." Instead, he asked for names, as if to imply, "Depends on which one you're talking about." It was just a mistake. And like I said in an earlier post, he absolutely TROUNCED Biden on substance. Biden brought literally nothing to the debate. He said absolutely nothing. Anyone who votes for that clown better understand that he is going to be a puppet and will do what he's told by the Democratic power lords that operate behind the curtain. He is literally on his way to assisted living.
No one ever accused Trump of being quick on his feet.
During the debate when Biden started getting pissed off, I thought the line of the century could have been, "What, you want to challenge me to some pushups now Joe?"
I really believe that if Trump had pulled back a little on the interrupting bit and answered the white supremacy question head on there is an entirely different take on the debate because he was the only guy on stage who really said anything. Biden had nothing. He made zero points.
So why wasn't his answer to Chrissy in 2016 good enough? Or the numerous other times?
Because the multiple gaffes by Biden have to be covered up
I aint playin bro. In it to win it. I'm about to jump in that elevator and get down to the field to get some
Make fun of Lamar Thomas one more time, just once more, and it's 7-11 tim for you old man. Don't play with me. I'll catch a flight and will be in Temecula by tomorrow.
It's pretty clear Wallace was dealing a stacked hand on Trump. Still, I think he does better to answer it forcefully and clearly 10 times out of 10 if necessary. And then, as you've pointed out, say, "Why don't you ask him the same question?"
I also think it's not great for the sitting POTUS to almost appear to be in control of a group like PB who, at best, are street gang thugs, and at worst, are street gang thugs full of racists and anti-semites. Either way, not a good affiliation. Even with "but antifa" it was a bad look IMO. Just sayin'.
Remember about the 7-11. I ain't scared of you bitch.gif.
I still can’t believe how badly Trump fucked up the condemning hate groups question.
“I condemn racism and hate groups of all kinds, unlike my opponent, who calls black people street predators, and is worried about white kids having to grow up in a racial jungle. My opponent, who supported race riots for months and encouraged domestic terrorists to attack the police and residents of our cities.”
That is low hanging fruit, and Trump fucked up royally with the “stand down and stand by” comment. He basically made himself the commanding officer of the Proud Boys.
We call those unforced errors, imo
The worst part about it was that the question was SO OBBIOUSLY canned and served up for him as a test. And while he was in the process of failing the test, the moderator kept nudging him and making it clear that this was a statement question and gave him a couple of chances to get it right and he just kept fucking it up. You could tell the gears were spinning and he made a calculated move. He just calculated badly. Very, very, very badly.
I have a sense for the line on which he is dancing. There are plenty of people, both in and outside of his base, who speak plainly and directly about race relations and have politically incorrect views on race according to the left; but those people are not racists. The Tug, for example, is full of those people. I think perhaps Trump and his advisors don't sufficiently appreciate the difference between those people and people like the Proud Boys. If I'm right about that, then that's on him and his people.
In any event, whatever the reason, he wasn't good on his feet on that point and he may have really screwed the pooch. I don't think this one just goes away because of our? short attention span. If I'm on the left, I hammer this point until it's done.
I know very little about the proud boys other than it was founded by former Vice media founder and its now run by a Enrique Tarrio, an AfroCuban guy.
Are they actually a white supremacist group or are they just labeled that by the media at large?
They aren't white supremacist.
The media is lazy and/or disingenuous.
Their founder has certainly danced on the line of white nationalism.
In 2002 he stated that he was glad that Brooklyn hipsters were predominantly white. In a separate interview he said, ''I love being white and I think it's something to be very proud of. “I don't want our culture diluted. We need to close the borders now and let everyone assimilate to a Western, white, English-speaking way of life.''
Sounds like OBK if I say so myself.
There are some interesting articles out there about the increased enrollment of afro-hispanics with the organization. Not sure I understand the group entirely myself. I would expect you'd find a decent amount of racist people among their ranks despite the membership of afro-hispanics.
Didn't watch/didn't read, but is the "founder's quote" there from Gavin McInness?
Yes.
McIness is no longer a part of the group. What’s your point? The group now is clearly integrated and their leader is a Black* Cubano.
The Democrats were originally founded by slave owners and were segregationists into the 1970s. Joe Biden was pro-segregation as recently as 1977. They filibustered the Civil Rights Act.
Does the mean every Democrat today believes in racism and Jim Crow?
I still can’t believe how badly Trump fucked up the condemning hate groups question.
“I condemn racism and hate groups of all kinds, unlike my opponent, who calls black people street predators, and is worried about white kids having to grow up in a racial jungle. My opponent, who supported race riots for months and encouraged domestic terrorists to attack the police and residents of our cities.”
That is low hanging fruit, and Trump fucked up royally with the “stand down and stand by” comment. He basically made himself the commanding officer of the Proud Boys.
We call those unforced errors, imo
The worst part about it was that the question was SO OBBIOUSLY canned and served up for him as a test. And while he was in the process of failing the test, the moderator kept nudging him and making it clear that this was a statement question and gave him a couple of chances to get it right and he just kept fucking it up. You could tell the gears were spinning and he made a calculated move. He just calculated badly. Very, very, very badly.
I have a sense for the line on which he is dancing. There are plenty of people, both in and outside of his base, who speak plainly and directly about race relations and have politically incorrect views on race according to the left; but those people are not racists. The Tug, for example, is full of those people. I think perhaps Trump and his advisors don't sufficiently appreciate the difference between those people and people like the Proud Boys. If I'm right about that, then that's on him and his people.
In any event, whatever the reason, he wasn't good on his feet on that point and he may have really screwed the pooch. I don't think this one just goes away because of our? short attention span. If I'm on the left, I hammer this point until it's done.
I know very little about the proud boys other than it was founded by former Vice media founder and its now run by a Enrique Tarrio, an AfroCuban guy.
Are they actually a white supremacist group or are they just labeled that by the media at large?
They aren't white supremacist.
The media is lazy and/or disingenuous.
Their founder has certainly danced on the line of white nationalism.
In 2002 he stated that he was glad that Brooklyn hipsters were predominantly white. In a separate interview he said, ''I love being white and I think it's something to be very proud of. “I don't want our culture diluted. We need to close the borders now and let everyone assimilate to a Western, white, English-speaking way of life.''
Sounds like OBK if I say so myself.
There are some interesting articles out there about the increased enrollment of afro-hispanics with the organization. Not sure I understand the group entirely myself. I would expect you'd find a decent amount of racist people among their ranks despite the membership of afro-hispanics.
There are racists in the group. There are racist Antifa members. Anything that's not lock step with the SJW agenda is suspect to these sheep.
Media acts like it's neo-Nazis and it's not. They carry water for slow Joe, Dems, and China. We all see it.
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It’s the retards on the Left who either forget it, or who make things up like Proud Boys being white supremacists, which they are no under any definition.
The media is lazy and/or disingenuous.
Now they all know the Portland chapter is headed by a black guy and there are numerous blacks in the organization. Dems are dumb that way. Free pub.
Biden picked the wrong group. Should have gone KKK but that opens up his man love for Robert Byrd
The left lies and lies and has hardly anything to show for it
This is pretty simple: don't do that again. Just say "of course" and don't make it seem like you have to think about it.
Wallace asked Trump if he would tell them to stand down - the part that gets left out because it provides context
Trump said who
Biden said Proud Boys
In 2002 he stated that he was glad that Brooklyn hipsters were predominantly white. In a separate interview he said, ''I love being white and I think it's something to be very proud of.
“I don't want our culture diluted. We need to close the borders now and let everyone assimilate to a Western, white, English-speaking way of life.''
Sounds like OBK if I say so myself.
There are some interesting articles out there about the increased enrollment of afro-hispanics with the organization. Not sure I understand the group entirely myself. I would expect you'd find a decent amount of racist people among their ranks despite the membership of afro-hispanics.
During the debate when Biden started getting pissed off, I thought the line of the century could have been, "What, you want to challenge me to some pushups now Joe?"
Because the multiple gaffes by Biden have to be covered up
I aint playin bro. In it to win it. I'm about to jump in that elevator and get down to the field to get some
But as an organization, I think there is leftist smear bullshit at work. Trump still could have handled the question better. Does bring up an interesting point though. If you are an organization that espouses violence but are black, it's totally cool. If you are an organization that is far right politically, you are automatically racist and everyone including Wikipedia will label you as racist whether it is true or not.
Pretty cool.
Also a lot of shit out there on the founder, Gavin McInnes, who's had his own radio show and has walked in alt-right circles forever. There's a lot to suggest he's a white nationalist and isn't fond of the Jews. Now, that's the founder and he left in 2018. So there's that. What they really are now is anybody's guess.
It's pretty clear Wallace was dealing a stacked hand on Trump. Still, I think he does better to answer it forcefully and clearly 10 times out of 10 if necessary. And then, as you've pointed out, say, "Why don't you ask him the same question?"
I also think it's not great for the sitting POTUS to almost appear to be in control of a group like PB who, at best, are street gang thugs, and at worst, are street gang thugs full of racists and anti-semites. Either way, not a good affiliation. Even with "but antifa" it was a bad look IMO. Just sayin'.
Remember about the 7-11. I ain't scared of you bitch.gif.
The Democrats were originally founded by slave owners and were segregationists into the 1970s. Joe Biden was pro-segregation as recently as 1977. They filibustered the Civil Rights Act.
Does the mean every Democrat today believes in racism and Jim Crow?
Media acts like it's neo-Nazis and it's not. They carry water for slow Joe, Dems, and China. We all see it.