How does Trump recover from this mess...
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It may have been Biden's only score last night when he said one, it's an idea not a group, and two, I'm not in office, you are. It's pretty much the only time Biden was good and quick on his feet. The "come on man" shit was cringeworthy as it always is, and for all of Trump's blustering I thought it was entirely inappropriate for Biden call the CIC a "clown" in front of the American public. It was, to me anyway, a new low. Trump says a lot of shit, and thus it's easy to say he asks for it. But in my mind, the guy is the POTUS until he isn't, and a candidate for the same office shouldn't say shit like that. It makes us look third world.WestlinnDuck said:Didn't think that Biden would do any debates. Doubling down that there won't be anymore debates. Biden now has some leverage to say what's the point. The constant interrupting and the unforced error on denouncing white supremacists and then demand that Biden denounce Antifa and the riots gives Biden all the cover he needs.
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Fair. But will the new tagline, "stand down but stand by" go away?RaceBannon said:
Trump will do better knowing he's the road team. The next moderator can't be Joe's buttboy againdoogie said:Trump was I’ll prepared and low energy. That said, every time he began to strike, Wallace would shout out to block his answer and Biden would pile on with something incoherent.
If debates continue, this strategy will get worse becoming more obnoxious. It’s a good strategy. It worked. Trump looked like he hadn’t even considered Jimmy Lakes defense as he kept running short crosses over and over -
I know very little about the proud boys other than it was founded by former Vice media founder and its now run by a Enrique Tarrio, an AfroCuban guy.creepycoug said:
The worst part about it was that the question was SO OBBIOUSLY canned and served up for him as a test. And while he was in the process of failing the test, the moderator kept nudging him and making it clear that this was a statement question and gave him a couple of chances to get it right and he just kept fucking it up. You could tell the gears were spinning and he made a calculated move. He just calculated badly. Very, very, very badly.thechatch said:I still can’t believe how badly Trump fucked up the condemning hate groups question.
“I condemn racism and hate groups of all kinds, unlike my opponent, who calls black people street predators, and is worried about white kids having to grow up in a racial jungle. My opponent, who supported race riots for months and encouraged domestic terrorists to attack the police and residents of our cities.”
That is low hanging fruit, and Trump fucked up royally with the “stand down and stand by” comment. He basically made himself the commanding officer of the Proud Boys.
We call those unforced errors, imo
I have a sense for the line on which he is dancing. There are plenty of people, both in and outside of his base, who speak plainly and directly about race relations and have politically incorrect views on race according to the left; but those people are not racists. The Tug, for example, is full of those people. I think perhaps Trump and his advisors don't sufficiently appreciate the difference between those people and people like the Proud Boys. If I'm right about that, then that's on him and his people.
In any event, whatever the reason, he wasn't good on his feet on that point and he may have really screwed the pooch. I don't think this one just goes away because of our? short attention span. If I'm on the left, I hammer this point until it's done.
Here the mini Dateline documentary done by Dateline from a couple years ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7f4b1o6BKM&app=desktop
Are they actually a white supremacist group or are they just labeled that by the media at large? -
A thorough and detailed CRT trashing would be good for Trump. But he needs to shine a light on the specifics of the CRT platform/solution and tie that back into BLM and Antifa instead of the vagueries that he pointed out last night. Not enough people know how crazy it all is. Highlight the grand wizard Kendi and let Biden defend Kendi directly instead of just very generic equality.creepycoug said:
The worst part about it was that the question was SO OBBIOUSLY canned and served up for him as a test. And while he was in the process of failing the test, the moderator kept nudging him and making it clear that this was a statement question and gave him a couple of chances to get it right and he just kept fucking it up. You could tell the gears were spinning and he made a calculated move. He just calculated badly. Very, very, very badly.thechatch said:I still can’t believe how badly Trump fucked up the condemning hate groups question.
“I condemn racism and hate groups of all kinds, unlike my opponent, who calls black people street predators, and is worried about white kids having to grow up in a racial jungle. My opponent, who supported race riots for months and encouraged domestic terrorists to attack the police and residents of our cities.”
That is low hanging fruit, and Trump fucked up royally with the “stand down and stand by” comment. He basically made himself the commanding officer of the Proud Boys.
We call those unforced errors, imo
I have a sense for the line on which he is dancing. There are plenty of people, both in and outside of his base, who speak plainly and directly about race relations and have politically incorrect views on race according to the left; but those people are not racists. The Tug, for example, is full of those people. I think perhaps Trump and his advisors don't sufficiently appreciate the difference between those people and people like the Proud Boys. If I'm right about that, then that's on him and his people.
In any event, whatever the reason, he wasn't good on his feet on that point and he may have really screwed the pooch. I don't think this one just goes away because of our? short attention span. If I'm on the left, I hammer this point until it's done.
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Actually thought that was about Trump supporters accepting the results or not going out and declaring victory early and causing a ruckuscreepycoug said:
Fair. But will the new tagline, "stand down but stand by" go away?RaceBannon said:
Trump will do better knowing he's the road team. The next moderator can't be Joe's buttboy againdoogie said:Trump was I’ll prepared and low energy. That said, every time he began to strike, Wallace would shout out to block his answer and Biden would pile on with something incoherent.
If debates continue, this strategy will get worse becoming more obnoxious. It’s a good strategy. It worked. Trump looked like he hadn’t even considered Jimmy Lakes defense as he kept running short crosses over and over
Stand by and be ready to fight antifa but stand down until needed
But no the new improved version of Trump is a racist isn't going away. *yawn*
Like I said some of us have felt the real racism and aren't impressed by this malarakey. Many of whom Biden in targeting. President Harris was right - Biden is an actual racist with 47 years of damage under his belt
Are voters smart enough? I am. Fuck the rest of you -
https://msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-claims-he-doesnt-know-who-the-proud-boys-are-calls-on-them-to-stand-down/vi-BB19Aidn?ocid=msedgntp
1 minute and 57 seconds of your time
Of course it is the day after spin but believable and say Joe - when do you condemn antifa?
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Obviously I'm not an insider and thus can only glean like the rest of us. Ostensibly it's a "be proud to be a man, particularly a man of the Western world," group and so whatever charter they have will likely contain those kinds of founding statements. There is a very strong anti-immigration element to their founding beliefs and a pretty clear current of "white genocide" rhetoric. These are the "I will not be replaced" people in Charlottesville. That will attract racists and most assuredly has. I have a lot of people in Portland, where they exist in large numbers, and the anecdotal information is full of overtly racist incidents, with members who use racist rhetoric, lots of swastika tattoos, etc. etc. So while I'm sure it's not founded as a racist group like, say, the KKK, and while I'm sure they deny they are a racist group, they are a particularly agitated and activated group of people given to violence and among them are plenty of overtly racist people. I'm not in a position to prove that, however. If I had to guess, I'd be at least very confident that there is a strong line of antisemitism amongst its members.Houhusky said:
I know very little about the proud boys other than it was founded by former Vice media founder and its now run by a Enrique Tarrio, an AfroCuban guy.creepycoug said:
The worst part about it was that the question was SO OBBIOUSLY canned and served up for him as a test. And while he was in the process of failing the test, the moderator kept nudging him and making it clear that this was a statement question and gave him a couple of chances to get it right and he just kept fucking it up. You could tell the gears were spinning and he made a calculated move. He just calculated badly. Very, very, very badly.thechatch said:I still can’t believe how badly Trump fucked up the condemning hate groups question.
“I condemn racism and hate groups of all kinds, unlike my opponent, who calls black people street predators, and is worried about white kids having to grow up in a racial jungle. My opponent, who supported race riots for months and encouraged domestic terrorists to attack the police and residents of our cities.”
That is low hanging fruit, and Trump fucked up royally with the “stand down and stand by” comment. He basically made himself the commanding officer of the Proud Boys.
We call those unforced errors, imo
I have a sense for the line on which he is dancing. There are plenty of people, both in and outside of his base, who speak plainly and directly about race relations and have politically incorrect views on race according to the left; but those people are not racists. The Tug, for example, is full of those people. I think perhaps Trump and his advisors don't sufficiently appreciate the difference between those people and people like the Proud Boys. If I'm right about that, then that's on him and his people.
In any event, whatever the reason, he wasn't good on his feet on that point and he may have really screwed the pooch. I don't think this one just goes away because of our? short attention span. If I'm on the left, I hammer this point until it's done.
Here the mini Dateline documentary done by Dateline from a couple years agohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7f4b1o6BKM&app=desktop
Are they actually a white supremacist group or are they just labeled that by the media at large? -
I didn't quite get that. Is it a problem or not?RaceBannon said:
Actually thought that was about Trump supporters accepting the results or not going out and declaring victory early and causing a ruckuscreepycoug said:
Fair. But will the new tagline, "stand down but stand by" go away?RaceBannon said:
Trump will do better knowing he's the road team. The next moderator can't be Joe's buttboy againdoogie said:Trump was I’ll prepared and low energy. That said, every time he began to strike, Wallace would shout out to block his answer and Biden would pile on with something incoherent.
If debates continue, this strategy will get worse becoming more obnoxious. It’s a good strategy. It worked. Trump looked like he hadn’t even considered Jimmy Lakes defense as he kept running short crosses over and over
Stand by and be ready to fight antifa but stand down until needed
But no the new improved version of Trump is a racist isn't going away. *yawn*
Like I said some of us have felt the real racism and aren't impressed by this malarakey. Many of whom Biden in targeting. President Harris was right - Biden is an actual racist with 47 years of damage under his belt
Are voters smart enough? I am. Fuck the rest of you -
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Will be very hard to do and challenges the American public's attention span and capacity for intellectual discourse.Bob_C said:
A thorough and detailed CRT trashing would be good for Trump. But he needs to shine a light on the specifics of the CRT platform/solution and tie that back into BLM and Antifa instead of the vagueries that he pointed out last night. Not enough people know how crazy it all is. Highlight the grand wizard Kendi and let Biden defend Kendi directly instead of just very generic equality.creepycoug said:
The worst part about it was that the question was SO OBBIOUSLY canned and served up for him as a test. And while he was in the process of failing the test, the moderator kept nudging him and making it clear that this was a statement question and gave him a couple of chances to get it right and he just kept fucking it up. You could tell the gears were spinning and he made a calculated move. He just calculated badly. Very, very, very badly.thechatch said:I still can’t believe how badly Trump fucked up the condemning hate groups question.
“I condemn racism and hate groups of all kinds, unlike my opponent, who calls black people street predators, and is worried about white kids having to grow up in a racial jungle. My opponent, who supported race riots for months and encouraged domestic terrorists to attack the police and residents of our cities.”
That is low hanging fruit, and Trump fucked up royally with the “stand down and stand by” comment. He basically made himself the commanding officer of the Proud Boys.
We call those unforced errors, imo
I have a sense for the line on which he is dancing. There are plenty of people, both in and outside of his base, who speak plainly and directly about race relations and have politically incorrect views on race according to the left; but those people are not racists. The Tug, for example, is full of those people. I think perhaps Trump and his advisors don't sufficiently appreciate the difference between those people and people like the Proud Boys. If I'm right about that, then that's on him and his people.
In any event, whatever the reason, he wasn't good on his feet on that point and he may have really screwed the pooch. I don't think this one just goes away because of our? short attention span. If I'm on the left, I hammer this point until it's done.
