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"OKG" is racist according to Oregon
jecornel
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Ohio State and FSU. OKG is also elitist.
Smalls and Ringo are anti-OKG.
Smalls a no show yesterday. Gonna get wild in the chats!!!
Smalls and Ringo are anti-OKG.
Smalls a no show yesterday. Gonna get wild in the chats!!!
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Disparate impact.
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I'm still
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I predict this will be the outrage subject on this site for the next 4-6 months. Then Smalls will commit to UW and we'll forget about it and move on to the next thing to hate about the program
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Page views will never be higher and the greatest Washington prospect of all time will be a dawg! Huard and Smalls will run Montlake soon enough.bananasnblondes said:I predict this will be the outrage subject on this site for the next 4-6 months. Then Smalls will commit to UW and we'll forget about it and move on to the next thing to hate about the program
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The OKG shit absolutely is racist!...against Mexicans and Asians. Where are all the Mexican and Asian players huh? I'm sure there's plenty out there who would try really hard too. The majority of our team is Black and Poly. That's not fair.
And yes, the OKG shit is also elitist. We are an elite university with elite coaching and NFL development. We want elite football players who are also elite human beings. Sav'ell is an all around elite player and person so he's the personification of an OKG. My response to Oregon would be, the NFL sure does seems to love OKG's and hate whoever the fuck is at Oregon. What round did Jalen Jelks get drafted? You don't want to put your future in the hands of a bunch of clowns who will waste your talent and won't prepare you for the NFL and life after football as well as UW will. You also know a school and coaching staff doesn't have much to offer you if they have to resort to slandering other schools and coaching staffs that are better than them in every way with lies and venom instead of telling you what they have to offer. Be weary of the snakes and the fakes. Coach Pete is a real one and all his current and former players would tell you that (including the Black ones). -
Pete never gives any Cambodians any love, bastard
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All you have to do to dispute this is post a video of say who say what.
If this was really a church school, we wouldn't have that chant, wouldn't have McGary telling Pullman to eat his ass, and wouldnt have our DBs and DB coach talking shit to the pac 12 at all times
That said, I miss Azeem talking shit to everyone all of 2016. That defense with him and Mathis healthy was one of the best I've seen in college. -
Yes and no. The fact that this offensive scheme licks sweaty taints isn’t going away anytime soon.bananasnblondes said:I predict this will be the outrage subject on this site for the next 4-6 months. Then Smalls will commit to UW and we'll forget about it and move on to the next thing to hate about the program
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Here’s a thorough discussion of this:
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Holy shit.
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Seems weird that that would work all of a sudden when he already withstood years of hearing the same thing from Joey T.
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Heard they hit him and his parents with a LOT of evidence.Quietcowskee said:Seems weird that that would work all of a sudden when he already withstood years of hearing the same thing from Joey T.
The evidentiary value of information depends on your default assumption.
If the assumption is that (as white people always happily see as the case) no one is biased, then you have to prove bias beyond a reasonable doubt.
However, any black person knows there is bias everywhere and now Pete is going to have some splaining to do. Which is good. It's weird what's happening to our program.
We are getting very non-black.
We are getting EXTREMELY non Black American Culture.
We have like 1 starter out of 22 who is from a 'traditional' black home? Salvon. Everyone else has one white parent, is African, etc.
White people think that this all adds up to nothing and are FRANKLY SHOCKED that you would DARE to question their OBVIOUSLY PURE motives and processes.
Black people are like 'uh, yeah, can you explain why that is?' -
They're just butthurt that all if their momentum is bullshit and their coaches are going to get flattened on the road again.
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I am a Duck fan and this is part and parcel of the “everything is racist” cultural milieu.
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Part and parcel of the “I don’t acknowledge inherent biases“ culturelawsandl said:I am a Duck fan and this is part and parcel of the “everything is racist” cultural milieu.
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That's because you're white and see things through the white people lens.lawsandl said:I am a Duck fan and this is part and parcel of the “everything is racist” cultural milieu.
Oh, we just happened to not recruit Tre'Shaun (Sav'ell's friend) and we are just happening to not recruit Gee Scott and DJ Rodgers (insert white people 'case by case basis' excuse here). And now Justin Flowe, Kayvon and Darnell Washington are all guys that haven't really been on our radar.
And, under Pete we have gotten one white parent or African parents on almost everyone... white people are like 'this is nitpicky' because they don't understand how stupid that sounds to people who live in black culture (which is not a monolith). This is like a little kid thinking that them saying they didn't eat a cookie when chocolate chips are all over their face is convincing.
White people are like 'HOW DARE YOU ACCUSE ME OF RACISM' and black people are like 'uh, look around'.
I don't think Pete is a racist, but I think Pete defines OKG in such a way that it so heavily slants toward slow strategy 'at least one white or African' parent, private school light skin u kids.
If you don't understand the difference between Kevin King's household and Aaron Fuller's or Ariel Ngata's then you just aren't really familiar with modern black life in America on any level. -
There's something to be said for actions are greater than words ...
As Dennis mentioned, I don't think that there's anything overtly racist in our program. I do think that there's some component of OKG that tilts more slower strategy than not.
However, there's some things that have been bubbling below the surface for a while on this subject that I do think that there's some part of the message that we have to be aware of and actively go about proving that it's not the case.
It's awfully warm for December of February ... the fact that you have schools that are actively going to this level of strategy in their recruiting at this point tells me that they know that they are coming at this from a very unfavorable position and are trying to knock UW down.
In the end, successful selling of anything is way more likely when you are talking about why you should buy your product than why you shouldn't buy another product. -
I don't think Pete is a racist. But it's like saying 'i don't think Pete actually wants his dog to bit people' - if the dog bites people and Pete explains it away every time as a product of unique circumstances, you have to be like 'does Pete REALLY want the dog not to bite people if he's not doing anything to prevent it?'
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so, are you guys saying that Smalls avoided coming to UW this weekend because he's now drifting (drifted?) away from being interested in UW?
I see that Emeka was tweeting from Oregon this weekend as well.
How bad is this situation fellas? -
Yeah, there may be an issue of bias and you didn’t throw the racist term around but more referring to the negative recruiting. Btw, I heard it was a player saying this and not the staff at Oregon. That was the insinuation at 247, I was told.Dennis_DeYoung said:I don't think Pete is a racist. But it's like saying 'i don't think Pete actually wants his dog to bit people' - if the dog bites people and Pete explains it away every time as a product of unique circumstances, you have to be like 'does Pete REALLY want the dog not to bite people if he's not doing anything to prevent it?'
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This. It’s similar to how coach k only used to recruit kids with 2 parents (2 dads ?!)Dennis_DeYoung said:
That's because you're white and see things through the white people lens.lawsandl said:I am a Duck fan and this is part and parcel of the “everything is racist” cultural milieu.
Oh, we just happened to not recruit Tre'Shaun (Sav'ell's friend) and we are just happening to not recruit Gee Scott and DJ Rodgers (insert white people 'case by case basis' excuse here). And now Justin Flowe, Kayvon and Darnell Washington are all guys that haven't really been on our radar.
And, under Pete we have gotten one white parent or African parents on almost everyone... white people are like 'this is nitpicky' because they don't understand how stupid that sounds to people who live in black culture (which is not a monolith). This is like a little kid thinking that them saying they didn't eat a cookie when chocolate chips are all over their face is convincing.
White people are like 'HOW DARE YOU ACCUSE ME OF RACISM' and black people are like 'uh, look around'.
I don't think Pete is a racist, but I think Pete defines OKG in such a way that it so heavily slants toward slow strategy 'at least one white or African' parent, private school light skin u kids.
If you don't understand the difference between Kevin King's household and Aaron Fuller's or Ariel Ngata's then you just aren't really familiar with modern black life in America on any level. -
Well, it's not GOOD.Meek said:so, are you guys saying that Smalls avoided coming to UW this weekend because he's now drifting (drifted?) away from being interested in UW?
I see that Emeka was tweeting from Oregon this weekend as well.
How bad is this situation fellas? -
I actually heard from a relatively reliable source that it was a concerted effort by the staff. I don't know specifically who.lawsandl said:
Yeah, there may be an issue of bias and you didn’t throw the racist term around but more referring to the negative recruiting. Btw, I heard it was a player saying this and not the staff at Oregon. That was the insinuation at 247, I was told.Dennis_DeYoung said:I don't think Pete is a racist. But it's like saying 'i don't think Pete actually wants his dog to bit people' - if the dog bites people and Pete explains it away every time as a product of unique circumstances, you have to be like 'does Pete REALLY want the dog not to bite people if he's not doing anything to prevent it?'
But honestly, the data is damning. So, it's an easy point to make. If I were Oregon, the first fucking thing I would say to Sav'ell's parents is - 'we know you want your son to play close to home. How about playing somewhere that isn't using him up and doesn't respect him or his culture? Almost all players on UW have one white parent and usually the white parent was dominant in acculturating the kids. It's a white washed program. Here, we don't think there's anything wrong with being black, and we aren't trying to turn Sav'ell into a white guy.' -
Marcus Mariota made a PSA begging for Ducks fans to stop raping people. But they accuse UW of racism?Dennis_DeYoung said:
That's because you're white and see things through the white people lens.lawsandl said:I am a Duck fan and this is part and parcel of the “everything is racist” cultural milieu.
Oh, we just happened to not recruit Tre'Shaun (Sav'ell's friend) and we are just happening to not recruit Gee Scott and DJ Rodgers (insert white people 'case by case basis' excuse here). And now Justin Flowe, Kayvon and Darnell Washington are all guys that haven't really been on our radar.
And, under Pete we have gotten one white parent or African parents on almost everyone... white people are like 'this is nitpicky' because they don't understand how stupid that sounds to people who live in black culture (which is not a monolith). This is like a little kid thinking that them saying they didn't eat a cookie when chocolate chips are all over their face is convincing.
White people are like 'HOW DARE YOU ACCUSE ME OF RACISM' and black people are like 'uh, look around'.
I don't think Pete is a racist, but I think Pete defines OKG in such a way that it so heavily slants toward slow strategy 'at least one white or African' parent, private school light skin u kids.
If you don't understand the difference between Kevin King's household and Aaron Fuller's or Ariel Ngata's then you just aren't really familiar with modern black life in America on any level.
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Another thing that I think is really important to note is that we have 85 scholarships available on the roster ... when you are at the top of the mountain, those under you are going to do just about everything possible to find ways to bring you down. For almost everybody, it's much easier to bring you down than it is for them to raise their level up to match.
A few years ago, we were talking about how we were struggling so hard to connect in the Poly Community ...
Go look at the UW 2019 football commit list, I'd really challenge anybody to say that we're racist in the way that we recruit ... it's a very diverse looking group.
Racism is a word that is too casually thrown around because those that use it know that it elicits strong emotions ...
Racism isn't just one direction only ... so important to keep that in mind ...
The reality is that until as a society (and I don't care what your race, religion, sexuality, etc. is) we universally reject the fundamental notion that there is an inherent racism and bias in all people, people that prey on manipulating your thoughts, feelings, and ideas will continue to be able to play people like puppets. Until we actually are able to sit back, evaluate, and make decisions based on people's actions then the reality is that this type of conversation will continue indefinitely and the only thing that will change is what direction(s) these conversations go. -
OKG system is basically asking for yes men and there is no room for overt individuality or personalities who can disrupt the system. It just so happens that this OKG mantra does not extend to a specific demographic. So like its not straight up racism, but you can argue that the system disadvantages or discriminates against the recruitment of African Americans. I'm not saying that I believe this but in today's PC culture everything is racist and it's honestly really easy to make the argument that OKG is racist. Personally I don't care how they act as long as they can ball but as long as Pete is the coach, his OKG system will stay in some capacity.
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There's obviously work that needs to be done to blow the narrative that others are trying to advance out of the water.Dennis_DeYoung said:
Well, it's not GOOD.Meek said:so, are you guys saying that Smalls avoided coming to UW this weekend because he's now drifting (drifted?) away from being interested in UW?
I see that Emeka was tweeting from Oregon this weekend as well.
How bad is this situation fellas?
As big of an issue to me is the fact that during Spring Ball we largely go off the radar when it comes to really being front and center with recruits. We essentially allow other programs to run around unchecked during this period and it leaves us with work to do afterwards. The cost/benefit of this is for a different discussion.
Point being that there's work that needs to be done ... and possibly more work than normal.
It's quite obvious at this point that Oregon will do just about anything to try to tear us down. Negative recruiting in the end is generally a losing strategy and comes from a position of weakness. But UW does need to be aware of what is going on around them. It's one thing to focus on yourself and do what you do better than others. But on the other end, you got to understand what your competitors are doing around you. That's why there is that whole keep your friends close and enemies closer. -
I think this is less a racist argument and more a cultural argument, but culture and race are tightly coupled.
The Tre'Shaun piece of this is interesting as many of the crystal ballz were sending Savell to FSU due to Tre'Shaun.
I never thought of Eugene as a bastion of racial equality and black culture but Oregon can sell.
