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"OKG" is racist according to Oregon
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Exactly why I said that, cause there is a whole segment of society today that see's anytime someone points out that something may be biased against a different racial group, their default response is "Are you calling me racist?". When asking people to recognize that the language we use, the processes in place or the manner in which we reach out may not appeal the same way to African American households, isn't calling someone racist. It's asking people to recognize that it exists and if we want to avoid that perception we need to actively change how we go about it.lawsandl said:
There's a reason every time @Dennis_DeYoung has brought up this issue over the past couple years, he has to preface it with "I don't think Pete is racist". Because Pete isn't racist, but he has a major blind spot if he thinks his messaging and the perception of it is being received equally across all racial and other demographic lines. -
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1) This type of recruiting strategy isn't happening unless it comes from the top. It may be something that Cristobal isn't directly doing to make sure that he retains distance, but if this was something he didn't endorse this wouldn't happen. I can speak for myself personally that if I was a head coach and it got back to me that I had staff members advancing this kind of narratives they'd be fired on the spot. This would also be known and communicated well in front. This doesn't happen by coincidence.Dennis_DeYoung said:
I actually heard from a relatively reliable source that it was a concerted effort by the staff. I don't know specifically who.lawsandl said:
Yeah, there may be an issue of bias and you didn’t throw the racist term around but more referring to the negative recruiting. Btw, I heard it was a player saying this and not the staff at Oregon. That was the insinuation at 247, I was told.Dennis_DeYoung said:I don't think Pete is a racist. But it's like saying 'i don't think Pete actually wants his dog to bit people' - if the dog bites people and Pete explains it away every time as a product of unique circumstances, you have to be like 'does Pete REALLY want the dog not to bite people if he's not doing anything to prevent it?'
But honestly, the data is damning. So, it's an easy point to make. If I were Oregon, the first fucking thing I would say to Sav'ell's parents is - 'we know you want your son to play close to home. How about playing somewhere that isn't using him up and doesn't respect him or his culture? Almost all players on UW have one white parent and usually the white parent was dominant in acculturating the kids. It's a white washed program. Here, we don't think there's anything wrong with being black, and we aren't trying to turn Sav'ell into a white guy.'
2) Data can be skewed and leveraged for whatever narrative that you want to spin if you want to advance a faulty message.
3) I'd be surprised to hear anybody tied into UW under Pete that views him or his staff "using up players" ... in fact it's pretty easy to argue that so much of what they do is to sustain their players.
This whole narrative that Oregon's advancing makes me sick and honestly pissed off. It's absolutely fucking loser talk. -
Dennis_DeYoung said:
That's because you're white and see things through the white people lens.lawsandl said:I am a Duck fan and this is part and parcel of the “everything is racist” cultural milieu.
Oh, we just happened to not recruit Tre'Shaun (Sav'ell's friend) and we are just happening to not recruit Gee Scott and DJ Rodgers (insert white people 'case by case basis' excuse here). And now Justin Flowe, Kayvon and Darnell Washington are all guys that haven't really been on our radar.
And, under Pete we have gotten one white parent or African parents on almost everyone... white people are like 'this is nitpicky' because they don't understand how stupid that sounds to people who live in black culture (which is not a monolith). This is like a little kid thinking that them saying they didn't eat a cookie when chocolate chips are all over their face is convincing.
White people are like 'HOW DARE YOU ACCUSE ME OF RACISM' and black people are like 'uh, look around'.
I don't think Pete is a racist, but I think Pete defines OKG in such a way that it so heavily slants toward slow strategy 'at least one white or African' parent, private school light skin u kids.
If you don't understand the difference between Kevin King's household and Aaron Fuller's or Ariel Ngata's then you just aren't really familiar with modern black life in America on any level.
This is dumb. Rogers and Gee Scott are half white, so your "we only recruit players with 1 white parent, polynesians, or black kids with African names" schtick doesnt really apply.
Ive said it before...our recruiting is impacted by demographics. We dont have as many black players because not a ton of black people live on the west coast. Also, you dont see a ton of polys and a chinese american safety at fucking Iowa or Kentucky.
This shit is actually really embarrassing for some here and is very flawed -
This is how I know you’re white...PostGameOrangeSlices said:Dennis_DeYoung said:
That's because you're white and see things through the white people lens.lawsandl said:I am a Duck fan and this is part and parcel of the “everything is racist” cultural milieu.
Oh, we just happened to not recruit Tre'Shaun (Sav'ell's friend) and we are just happening to not recruit Gee Scott and DJ Rodgers (insert white people 'case by case basis' excuse here). And now Justin Flowe, Kayvon and Darnell Washington are all guys that haven't really been on our radar.
And, under Pete we have gotten one white parent or African parents on almost everyone... white people are like 'this is nitpicky' because they don't understand how stupid that sounds to people who live in black culture (which is not a monolith). This is like a little kid thinking that them saying they didn't eat a cookie when chocolate chips are all over their face is convincing.
White people are like 'HOW DARE YOU ACCUSE ME OF RACISM' and black people are like 'uh, look around'.
I don't think Pete is a racist, but I think Pete defines OKG in such a way that it so heavily slants toward slow strategy 'at least one white or African' parent, private school light skin u kids.
If you don't understand the difference between Kevin King's household and Aaron Fuller's or Ariel Ngata's then you just aren't really familiar with modern black life in America on any level.
This is dumb. Rogers and Gee Scott are half white, so your "we only recruit players with 1 white parent, polynesians, or black kids with African names" schtick doesnt really apply.
Ive said it before...our recruiting is impacted by demographics. We dont have as many black players because not a ton of black people live on the west coast. Also, you dont see a ton of polys and a chinese american safety at fucking Iowa or
This shit is actually really embarrassing for some here and is very flawed -
Sav'ell was raised in a two African American parent household. Gee was raised in a variety of single parent household arrangements in which his African American father has played the predominant role in his athletic identity and the structure of his life. They absolutely fit the "schtick".PostGameOrangeSlices said:Dennis_DeYoung said:
That's because you're white and see things through the white people lens.lawsandl said:I am a Duck fan and this is part and parcel of the “everything is racist” cultural milieu.
Oh, we just happened to not recruit Tre'Shaun (Sav'ell's friend) and we are just happening to not recruit Gee Scott and DJ Rodgers (insert white people 'case by case basis' excuse here). And now Justin Flowe, Kayvon and Darnell Washington are all guys that haven't really been on our radar.
And, under Pete we have gotten one white parent or African parents on almost everyone... white people are like 'this is nitpicky' because they don't understand how stupid that sounds to people who live in black culture (which is not a monolith). This is like a little kid thinking that them saying they didn't eat a cookie when chocolate chips are all over their face is convincing.
White people are like 'HOW DARE YOU ACCUSE ME OF RACISM' and black people are like 'uh, look around'.
I don't think Pete is a racist, but I think Pete defines OKG in such a way that it so heavily slants toward slow strategy 'at least one white or African' parent, private school light skin u kids.
If you don't understand the difference between Kevin King's household and Aaron Fuller's or Ariel Ngata's then you just aren't really familiar with modern black life in America on any level.
This is dumb. Smalls and Gee Scott are half white, so from your own "we only recruit players with 1 white parent, polyesians, or black kids with African names" schtick doesnt really apply.
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While we are on this subject I think it is pretty disturbing we have no 1st Nation representation around this bitch. Surely they can find one kid who isn't drunk and can play football.
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Rapp’s family?huskyhooligan said:
We've kinda come so far! -
Avalos would be Small’s position coach. You think he’s bad mouthing Peterson?Tequilla said:
1) This type of recruiting strategy isn't happening unless it comes from the top. It may be something that Cristobal isn't directly doing to make sure that he retains distance, but if this was something he didn't endorse this wouldn't happen. I can speak for myself personally that if I was a head coach and it got back to me that I had staff members advancing this kind of narratives they'd be fired on the spot. This would also be known and communicated well in front. This doesn't happen by coincidence.Dennis_DeYoung said:
I actually heard from a relatively reliable source that it was a concerted effort by the staff. I don't know specifically who.lawsandl said:
Yeah, there may be an issue of bias and you didn’t throw the racist term around but more referring to the negative recruiting. Btw, I heard it was a player saying this and not the staff at Oregon. That was the insinuation at 247, I was told.Dennis_DeYoung said:I don't think Pete is a racist. But it's like saying 'i don't think Pete actually wants his dog to bit people' - if the dog bites people and Pete explains it away every time as a product of unique circumstances, you have to be like 'does Pete REALLY want the dog not to bite people if he's not doing anything to prevent it?'
But honestly, the data is damning. So, it's an easy point to make. If I were Oregon, the first fucking thing I would say to Sav'ell's parents is - 'we know you want your son to play close to home. How about playing somewhere that isn't using him up and doesn't respect him or his culture? Almost all players on UW have one white parent and usually the white parent was dominant in acculturating the kids. It's a white washed program. Here, we don't think there's anything wrong with being black, and we aren't trying to turn Sav'ell into a white guy.'
2) Data can be skewed and leveraged for whatever narrative that you want to spin if you want to advance a faulty message.
3) I'd be surprised to hear anybody tied into UW under Pete that views him or his staff "using up players" ... in fact it's pretty easy to argue that so much of what they do is to sustain their players.
This whole narrative that Oregon's advancing makes me sick and honestly pissed off. It's absolutely fucking loser talk. -
This is ridiculous. Maybe we need to offer this guy to put this issue to bed.
Yeah, he's raw, but I can see him becoming a key contributor by his junior season, not to mention his effect on recruiting.
