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Should you expect to be able to raise a family on a minimum wage job?

SFGbob
SFGbob Member Posts: 33,183
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I keep hearing the Rats talking about how all jobs should pay a "living wage" and Willie Brown's concubine just stated that you should be able to pay all your bills working just one job, I just wonder how many of you libs agree with this sentiment.

Should I really be able to pay all of my bills working a fast food restaurant job, or working at a Walmart?
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  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 37,861 Standard Supporter
    SFGbob said:

    I keep hearing the Rats talking about how all jobs should pay a "living wage" and Willie Brown's concubine just stated that you should be able to pay all your bills working just one job, I just wonder how many of you libs agree with this sentiment.

    Should I really be able to pay all of my bills working a fast food restaurant job, or working at a Walmart?

    Hey if you do something, anything, you should be rich! Isn't that how it works?
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  • sarktastic
    sarktastic Member Posts: 9,208
    Not if you don't pay your $2 share of the rent.
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  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 114,111 Founders Club
    Not as long as H and hondo are cheating on their taxes
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  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    RaceBannon said:

    Not as long as H and hondo are cheating on their taxes

    Race, what's the difference between tax evasion and tax avoidance?
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  • PurpleThrobber
    PurpleThrobber Member Posts: 48,124 Standard Supporter
    2001400ex said:

    RaceBannon said:

    Not as long as H and hondo are cheating on their taxes

    Race, what's the difference between tax evasion and tax avoidance?
    One you go to prison, the other you go to the Bahamas or Playa or Kauai.

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  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 114,111 Founders Club
    2001400ex said:

    RaceBannon said:

    Not as long as H and hondo are cheating on their taxes

    Race, what's the difference between tax evasion and tax avoidance?
    But but but but

    Pay your fair share and then some

    Or STFU about what others pay
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  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,183
    I recall Hondo and other liberals here shitting all over the oil industry for taking advantage of tax breaks that are available for all businesses.

    Corporate welfare and "subsidies" I believe they called it.
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  • HHusky
    HHusky Member Posts: 23,973
    SFGbob said:

    I keep hearing the Rats talking about how all jobs should pay a "living wage" and Willie Brown's concubine just stated that you should be able to pay all your bills working just one job, I just wonder how many of you libs agree with this sentiment.

    Should I really be able to pay all of my bills working a fast food restaurant job, or working at a Walmart?

    I don’t know. How’s it been working out so far?
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  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,183
    HHusky said:

    SFGbob said:

    I keep hearing the Rats talking about how all jobs should pay a "living wage" and Willie Brown's concubine just stated that you should be able to pay all your bills working just one job, I just wonder how many of you libs agree with this sentiment.

    Should I really be able to pay all of my bills working a fast food restaurant job, or working at a Walmart?

    I don’t know. How’s it been working out so far?
    Got it, you don't give a shit about what the people you're going to vote for say about a "living wage"
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  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    RaceBannon said:

    2001400ex said:

    RaceBannon said:

    Not as long as H and hondo are cheating on their taxes

    Race, what's the difference between tax evasion and tax avoidance?
    But but but but

    Pay your fair share and then some

    Or STFU about what others pay
    Race. I'll say this once. I'm not into income bashing or gloating. But I'm pretty sure I pay more into federal income than you.

    State and local tho you probably get fucked. I'd never live in California under the current tax structure. And if you make over $150k, you get fucked by the state and local tax being topped out at $10k under Trump's tax cuts. It's possible your property taxes are close to that alone.
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  • HHusky
    HHusky Member Posts: 23,973
    Now, now. Where’s that fabulous sense of humor?

    No, I don’t think private employers should be required to pay a Seattle or San Francisco living wage to low skill labor.
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  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    HHusky said:

    Now, now. Where’s that fabulous sense of humor?

    No, I don’t think private employers should be required to pay a Seattle or San Francisco living wage to low skill labor.

    Exactly. And even $15 an hour isn't close to a living wage in either City.
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  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,183
    HHusky said:

    Now, now. Where’s that fabulous sense of humor?

    No, I don’t think private employers should be required to pay a Seattle or San Francisco living wage to low skill labor.

    Got it, you just vote for people who do think that.
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  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 114,111 Founders Club
    2001400ex said:

    RaceBannon said:

    2001400ex said:

    RaceBannon said:

    Not as long as H and hondo are cheating on their taxes

    Race, what's the difference between tax evasion and tax avoidance?
    But but but but

    Pay your fair share and then some

    Or STFU about what others pay
    Race. I'll say this once. I'm not into income bashing or gloating. But I'm pretty sure I pay more into federal income than you.

    State and local tho you probably get fucked. I'd never live in California under the current tax structure. And if you make over $150k, you get fucked by the state and local tax being topped out at $10k under Trump's tax cuts. It's possible your property taxes are close to that alone.
    What does this have to do with you being a hypocrite?

    Stop trying to pretend you know shit about me and stop cheating on your taxes
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  • HHusky
    HHusky Member Posts: 23,973
    SFGbob said:

    HHusky said:

    Now, now. Where’s that fabulous sense of humor?

    No, I don’t think private employers should be required to pay a Seattle or San Francisco living wage to low skill labor.

    Got it, you just vote for people who do think that.
    I don’t actually have any meaningful choice if you’re talking about Seattle.
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  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    RaceBannon said:

    2001400ex said:

    RaceBannon said:

    2001400ex said:

    RaceBannon said:

    Not as long as H and hondo are cheating on their taxes

    Race, what's the difference between tax evasion and tax avoidance?
    But but but but

    Pay your fair share and then some

    Or STFU about what others pay
    Race. I'll say this once. I'm not into income bashing or gloating. But I'm pretty sure I pay more into federal income than you.

    State and local tho you probably get fucked. I'd never live in California under the current tax structure. And if you make over $150k, you get fucked by the state and local tax being topped out at $10k under Trump's tax cuts. It's possible your property taxes are close to that alone.
    What does this have to do with you being a hypocrite?

    Stop trying to pretend you know shit about me and stop cheating on your taxes
    You told me to pay my fair share. I do pay my fair share.

    That being said, when you pay sales tax to the state of California on your own for an online purchase where they didn't collect sales tax (see Wayfair decision). Then I'll move my stuff from Montana and pay sales tax on it. Fair?
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  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 114,111 Founders Club
    2001400ex said:

    RaceBannon said:

    2001400ex said:

    RaceBannon said:

    2001400ex said:

    RaceBannon said:

    Not as long as H and hondo are cheating on their taxes

    Race, what's the difference between tax evasion and tax avoidance?
    But but but but

    Pay your fair share and then some

    Or STFU about what others pay
    Race. I'll say this once. I'm not into income bashing or gloating. But I'm pretty sure I pay more into federal income than you.

    State and local tho you probably get fucked. I'd never live in California under the current tax structure. And if you make over $150k, you get fucked by the state and local tax being topped out at $10k under Trump's tax cuts. It's possible your property taxes are close to that alone.
    What does this have to do with you being a hypocrite?

    Stop trying to pretend you know shit about me and stop cheating on your taxes
    You told me to pay my fair share. I do pay my fair share.

    That being said, when you pay sales tax to the state of California on your own for an online purchase where they didn't collect sales tax (see Wayfair decision). Then I'll move my stuff from Montana and pay sales tax on it. Fair?
    But but but

    Hypocrite and a cheat

    Not a good look

    You not only don't pay your fair share you don't even pay what you owe
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  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,183
    RaceBannon said:

    This is what is wrong with the democrats. They run like hell from their own ideas. No guts or brains

    That's always been the problem with limousine liberals. They insulate themselves from having to deal with the policies they advocate for. Oppose vouchers and send their own kids to private schools. Favor illegal immigration, live in communities that aren't impacted by illegal immigrants. Favor weaken criminal punishment while living behinds gates and walls patrolled by private security.
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  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    RaceBannon said:

    2001400ex said:

    RaceBannon said:

    2001400ex said:

    RaceBannon said:

    2001400ex said:

    RaceBannon said:

    Not as long as H and hondo are cheating on their taxes

    Race, what's the difference between tax evasion and tax avoidance?
    But but but but

    Pay your fair share and then some

    Or STFU about what others pay
    Race. I'll say this once. I'm not into income bashing or gloating. But I'm pretty sure I pay more into federal income than you.

    State and local tho you probably get fucked. I'd never live in California under the current tax structure. And if you make over $150k, you get fucked by the state and local tax being topped out at $10k under Trump's tax cuts. It's possible your property taxes are close to that alone.
    What does this have to do with you being a hypocrite?

    Stop trying to pretend you know shit about me and stop cheating on your taxes
    You told me to pay my fair share. I do pay my fair share.

    That being said, when you pay sales tax to the state of California on your own for an online purchase where they didn't collect sales tax (see Wayfair decision). Then I'll move my stuff from Montana and pay sales tax on it. Fair?
    But but but

    Hypocrite and a cheat

    Not a good look

    You not only don't pay your fair share you don't even pay what you owe
    Pressing. Where's your check to the state for online purchases Race?

    The best part of you arguing....I do have a residence in Montana and so it's perfectly legal to do what I'm doing.

    But carry on.
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  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,183
    Race isn't the one advocating for higher taxes Hondo, you are. You fucking hypocrite.

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  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    SFGbob said:

    Race isn't the one advocating for higher taxes Hondo, you are. You fucking hypocrite.

    Actually I've never argued for higher taxes. I have made fun of people triggered by AOCs 70% tax and I have corrected people like you who lie about what she said. But I have not made the stance that I want to see that happen.

    (I did also rail on the tax cuts because I don't think we should have done them. And even tho I saved about 3,500 last year, I don't think we should have cut taxes).
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  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 114,111 Founders Club
    2001400ex said:

    SFGbob said:

    Race isn't the one advocating for higher taxes Hondo, you are. You fucking hypocrite.

    Actually I've never argued for higher taxes. I have made fun of people triggered by AOCs 70% tax and I have corrected people like you who lie about what she said. But I have not made the stance that I want to see that happen.

    (I did also rail on the tax cuts because I don't think we should have done them. And even tho I saved about 3,500 last year, I don't think we should have cut taxes).
    Pathological liar

    Again lacking the guts to stand up for the bullshit he shills for here

    Embarrassing
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  • HHusky
    HHusky Member Posts: 23,973
    RaceBannon said:

    2001400ex said:

    SFGbob said:

    Race isn't the one advocating for higher taxes Hondo, you are. You fucking hypocrite.

    Actually I've never argued for higher taxes. I have made fun of people triggered by AOCs 70% tax and I have corrected people like you who lie about what she said. But I have not made the stance that I want to see that happen.

    (I did also rail on the tax cuts because I don't think we should have done them. And even tho I saved about 3,500 last year, I don't think we should have cut taxes).
    Pathological liar

    Again lacking the guts to stand up for the bullshit he shills for here

    Embarrassing
    Well I’m arguing for higher taxes. But I’m not willing to pay extra taxes just so you don’t have to.
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  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 114,111 Founders Club
    HHusky said:

    RaceBannon said:

    2001400ex said:

    SFGbob said:

    Race isn't the one advocating for higher taxes Hondo, you are. You fucking hypocrite.

    Actually I've never argued for higher taxes. I have made fun of people triggered by AOCs 70% tax and I have corrected people like you who lie about what she said. But I have not made the stance that I want to see that happen.

    (I did also rail on the tax cuts because I don't think we should have done them. And even tho I saved about 3,500 last year, I don't think we should have cut taxes).
    Pathological liar

    Again lacking the guts to stand up for the bullshit he shills for here

    Embarrassing
    Well I’m arguing for higher taxes. But I’m not willing to pay extra taxes just so you don’t have to.
    We know. You want others to pay more taxes. Given the chance you'll pass on you paying more

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  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,183
    2001400ex said:

    SFGbob said:

    Race isn't the one advocating for higher taxes Hondo, you are. You fucking hypocrite.

    Actually I've never argued for higher taxes. I have made fun of people triggered by AOCs 70% tax and I have corrected people like you who lie about what she said. But I have not made the stance that I want to see that happen.

    (I did also rail on the tax cuts because I don't think we should have done them. And even tho I saved about 3,500 last year, I don't think we should have cut taxes).
    Sweet Geezus are you a blind dumbfuck. Hey Hondo, if you oppose lower taxes, that means you're in favor of higher taxes. And my "lie" about AOC said was to quote her word for fucking word.

    Sweet Geezus, you of all people shouldn't ever be the arbiter of what people have actually said.
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  • HHusky
    HHusky Member Posts: 23,973
    RaceBannon said:

    HHusky said:

    RaceBannon said:

    2001400ex said:

    SFGbob said:

    Race isn't the one advocating for higher taxes Hondo, you are. You fucking hypocrite.

    Actually I've never argued for higher taxes. I have made fun of people triggered by AOCs 70% tax and I have corrected people like you who lie about what she said. But I have not made the stance that I want to see that happen.

    (I did also rail on the tax cuts because I don't think we should have done them. And even tho I saved about 3,500 last year, I don't think we should have cut taxes).
    Pathological liar

    Again lacking the guts to stand up for the bullshit he shills for here

    Embarrassing
    Well I’m arguing for higher taxes. But I’m not willing to pay extra taxes just so you don’t have to.
    We know. You want others to pay more taxes. Given the chance you'll pass on you paying more

    There’s not one thing I’ve advocated that doesn’t raise my taxes.
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  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,183
    HHusky said:

    RaceBannon said:

    HHusky said:

    RaceBannon said:

    2001400ex said:

    SFGbob said:

    Race isn't the one advocating for higher taxes Hondo, you are. You fucking hypocrite.

    Actually I've never argued for higher taxes. I have made fun of people triggered by AOCs 70% tax and I have corrected people like you who lie about what she said. But I have not made the stance that I want to see that happen.

    (I did also rail on the tax cuts because I don't think we should have done them. And even tho I saved about 3,500 last year, I don't think we should have cut taxes).
    Pathological liar

    Again lacking the guts to stand up for the bullshit he shills for here

    Embarrassing
    Well I’m arguing for higher taxes. But I’m not willing to pay extra taxes just so you don’t have to.
    We know. You want others to pay more taxes. Given the chance you'll pass on you paying more

    There’s not one thing I’ve advocated that doesn’t raise my taxes.
    You can pay higher taxes now, you choose not to.
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  • HHusky
    HHusky Member Posts: 23,973
    SFGbob said:

    HHusky said:

    RaceBannon said:

    HHusky said:

    RaceBannon said:

    2001400ex said:

    SFGbob said:

    Race isn't the one advocating for higher taxes Hondo, you are. You fucking hypocrite.

    Actually I've never argued for higher taxes. I have made fun of people triggered by AOCs 70% tax and I have corrected people like you who lie about what she said. But I have not made the stance that I want to see that happen.

    (I did also rail on the tax cuts because I don't think we should have done them. And even tho I saved about 3,500 last year, I don't think we should have cut taxes).
    Pathological liar

    Again lacking the guts to stand up for the bullshit he shills for here

    Embarrassing
    Well I’m arguing for higher taxes. But I’m not willing to pay extra taxes just so you don’t have to.
    We know. You want others to pay more taxes. Given the chance you'll pass on you paying more

    There’s not one thing I’ve advocated that doesn’t raise my taxes.
    You can pay higher taxes now, you choose not to.
    I’m not willing to subsidize you more than the law requires me to, blob.
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  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    HHusky said:

    SFGbob said:

    HHusky said:

    RaceBannon said:

    HHusky said:

    RaceBannon said:

    2001400ex said:

    SFGbob said:

    Race isn't the one advocating for higher taxes Hondo, you are. You fucking hypocrite.

    Actually I've never argued for higher taxes. I have made fun of people triggered by AOCs 70% tax and I have corrected people like you who lie about what she said. But I have not made the stance that I want to see that happen.

    (I did also rail on the tax cuts because I don't think we should have done them. And even tho I saved about 3,500 last year, I don't think we should have cut taxes).
    Pathological liar

    Again lacking the guts to stand up for the bullshit he shills for here

    Embarrassing
    Well I’m arguing for higher taxes. But I’m not willing to pay extra taxes just so you don’t have to.
    We know. You want others to pay more taxes. Given the chance you'll pass on you paying more

    There’s not one thing I’ve advocated that doesn’t raise my taxes.
    You can pay higher taxes now, you choose not to.
    I’m not willing to subsidize you more than the law requires me to, blob.
    What gay Bob doesn't understand. And this is his logical fallacy. If you and I both sent a check for $10k, it wouldn't even register on the financials of the government. But make everyone pay more and it not only registers, it might actually put a reasonable dent in the deficit.
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