don't see how something like this can happen in a drug free and gun free zone. the kid probly didn't take his anti-depressants or he took too many...
THIS is the issue. We bitch and moan about gun control - but, honestly, how many of these fucks have serious mental issues that we(?) have been shamed into pitying and handling with kid gloves?
Some of these fucks needs lobotomized or institutionalized. I don't have the answer for who decides or how that happens - but extracting these poor tormented souls from the general populace certainly would decrease this kind of shit from happening.
Not really a fan of people control any more than I'm a fan of gun control.
It's not like one would be any easier or constitutionally sound than the other, either.
But if we? were serious it has to be both. Content control too. A lot of things we aren't willing to give up. Its far easier to offer ts and ps or rail about gun control. Neither of which does much
If you go back to before mass consumption of media we were a far less violent country.
Aren't violent crime rates down these days?
I'm sure there are cherry picked statistics that say that, compared to 1975 or something. But that's the shit politicians love to say to paper over the fact that some asshole just killed a bunch of innocent kids, as though those killings represent a statistical improvement since the old, more violent days. So, all you people who didn't get shot can relax, because you're actually quite safe. Statistically.
I'd feel safer if a few teachers on campus were knowingly armed, or had access to guns in strategically located gun safes within the school. Radical? Who GAF. Cowards like this crazy little fucker thrive when they know there won't be anyone shooting back at them. Let it be known that some teachers are well-trained and armed, and most of these shootings don't happen.
This is your ideal society?
Pragmatic is the word you're looking for.
Personally, I think trying to solve the root problem is better than accepting guns in schools and teachers trained as shooters as pragmatic.
That's fair. How do you plan to solve the mental health crisis in America? More drugs clearly isn't working.
In the interim, we need a pragmatic solution that will work. This solution is the pink elephant the left doesn't want to talk about.
I think the mental health crisis is about societal conditions, and probably largely driven by media as some have said. That is an extremely complex problem that cannot be solved quickly.
But in the interim, in fact in the interim and beyond, I think a civilian ban on assault weapons/magazines is pragmatic. Standard capacity semi auto handguns and standard capacity recreational weapons can stick around with background checks and some level of pre-sale mandatory safety training. I don't think anyone will ever convince me that an assault weapon is practical and necessary outside of military or paramilitary use.
The mental health part is extremely tough because many people will expand that definition, over time, to include people with unpopular values or political stances. If you're anti-abortion, you're nuts. Think of the Handmaid's tale, in reverse. Or Animal Farm. That's where that shit goes eventually, unless we heed those warnings and be tolerant of lots of stuff we don't like or see a reason for.
Limiting ammo, bump-stocks and high-capacity magazines? Fuck yes. I have no problem with that at all. My former marine neighbor and I almost brawled in a bar over it. I also have no problem with the local crazy fuck having his guns confiscated, but I'll never win that argument because crazy people get offended at being called crazy, and I'm being "ableist" if I say, "That Fucker's Crazy."
We do this shit to ourselves when we adopt all these pre-packaged agendas the media and politicians feed us.
Should Tequila have guns, sure.
DDY? Yes, but something like a Derringer or PPK, cause I can see him effeminately blowing the smoke away from the barrel after he shoots a rival to death, like a scene from a Truman Capote or Tennessee Williams play.
Coker? No fucking way. Catholic schoolboy who doesn't drink? That's crazier than a shit-house rat!
What no one ever mentions is that almost all of the school shooters were on antidepressants. Listen to the warning speech during the next commercial for one. The problem is a mental health issue more than anything else. All the students knew this kid was a nut job. The school knew it as well. Now we know the FBI was warned about him and yet he carried out his plans.
The Israeli's in the 70's suffered numerous terrorist attacks at schools, school buses, field trips etc. They solved the problem. They armed some of the teachers. Terrorists didn't like their nice soft targets shooting back.
The mass shooting stats up above are misleading as everyone has a different definition of mass shooting, school shooting etc. Anti gun groups even count anything near a school.
I checked my guns this morning. They were all still where i left them. Hadn't killed anyone or left the premises. They are only as good, evil or crazy as the person using them.
And for the Franny.
Stop trying to shed light on the real problem here, which is mental health.
It really detracts from Boobs and fleas simplistic blame it on Trump,Republicans and the mere existence of firearms.
You worthless fucking cunt. I simply said Trump was a fuckhead for easing restrictions on mentally ill people getting guns. Nothing more.
The rest of your cunty fucking post is just you being the retarded cunt you are.
It would be great if someone shot your dumb fucking ass instead of a bunch of kids.
Go fuck yourself.
Somebody learned a new word.
Doesn't matter...
You're still a closeted fag.
It's not new. I've been calling you a cunt for years.
don't see how something like this can happen in a drug free and gun free zone. the kid probly didn't take his anti-depressants or he took too many...
THIS is the issue. We bitch and moan about gun control - but, honestly, how many of these fucks have serious mental issues that we(?) have been shamed into pitying and handling with kid gloves?
Some of these fucks needs lobotomized or institutionalized. I don't have the answer for who decides or how that happens - but extracting these poor tormented souls from the general populace certainly would decrease this kind of shit from happening.
Not really a fan of people control any more than I'm a fan of gun control.
It's not like one would be any easier or constitutionally sound than the other, either.
But if we? were serious it has to be both. Content control too. A lot of things we aren't willing to give up. Its far easier to offer ts and ps or rail about gun control. Neither of which does much
If you go back to before mass consumption of media we were a far less violent country.
Aren't violent crime rates down these days?
I'm sure there are cherry picked statistics that say that, compared to 1975 or something. But that's the shit politicians love to say to paper over the fact that some asshole just killed a bunch of innocent kids, as though those killings represent a statistical improvement since the old, more violent days. So, all you people who didn't get shot can relax, because you're actually quite safe. Statistically.
Or it could be that violent crime is down.
And what does it matter to the parents of 17 dead kids in Florida?
I'd feel safer if a few teachers on campus were knowingly armed, or had access to guns in strategically located gun safes within the school. Radical? Who GAF. Cowards like this crazy little fucker thrive when they know there won't be anyone shooting back at them. Let it be known that some teachers are well-trained and armed, and most of these shootings don't happen.
Yes if there is one thing that mass shooters that usually commit suicide are scared of, it's dying.
No one has done this expecting to get away.
I think that's well known. The idea is to stop them immediately. Waiting for help to arrive means more time for the killer to carry out his crime. Average response time in most larger cities to a high priority call is 8 minutes. Rural areas can be 20 minutes to and hour.
No The answer is to stop it before it happens. You can't rely on someone off site to stop it once it starts. Almost all of these little fucks have laid a trail of bread crumbs as to what they are going to do, but no one steps up and turns them in.
The best way to stop it before it happens is to take away the guns.
Everyone's?
How?
Modify the second amendment to ban assault rifles.
This will never happen of course, because we have chosen to make gun fanatics more important than children.
I never realized, until this very moment, that Boobs was a girl.
Serious question with no agenda, what does a semi auto AR provide you personally that a bolt or lever action rifle does not, other than less reloading?
The ability to obliterate a half rack of empty cans with one squeeze,,, duh???
Hilarious. I actually wrote a sentence in my last post about my AR buddies who prefer to destroy targets than hit the center of them. But I deleted it. Guess I shouldn't have.
"You should see what this does to a watermelon." A line spoken many, many times in E. Washington.
They'd say that in the Rainier Valley, too, except, well....that would be a waste of a damned good watermelon.
I'd feel safer if a few teachers on campus were knowingly armed, or had access to guns in strategically located gun safes within the school. Radical? Who GAF. Cowards like this crazy little fucker thrive when they know there won't be anyone shooting back at them. Let it be known that some teachers are well-trained and armed, and most of these shootings don't happen.
This is your ideal society?
Pragmatic is the word you're looking for.
Personally, I think trying to solve the root problem is better than accepting guns in schools and teachers trained as shooters as pragmatic.
That's fair. How do you plan to solve the mental health crisis in America? More drugs clearly isn't working.
In the interim, we need a pragmatic solution that will work. This solution is the pink elephant the left doesn't want to talk about.
I think the mental health crisis is about societal conditions, and probably largely driven by media as some have said. That is an extremely complex problem that cannot be solved quickly.
But in the interim, in fact in the interim and beyond, I think a civilian ban on assault weapons/magazines is pragmatic. Standard capacity semi auto handguns and standard capacity recreational weapons can stick around with background checks and some level of pre-sale mandatory safety training. I don't think anyone will ever convince me that an assault weapon is practical and necessary outside of military or paramilitary use.
So you support a ban of assault weapons from local police forces? including federal agencies like Bureau of Land Management?
If so, I'm willing to trade.
If not, I'm going to cling to the 2nd Amendment with every fiber of my being.
Paramilitary use includes SWAT so technically that part of the police force would be fine. I don't think regular patrolmen need assault weapons, but I could be talked in to high capacity mags for their service weapons along with the pump shotty that most have in the back of the squad car. That should be plenty to suppress a shooter until SWAT gets there. I don't know why the BLM would need AR's, but if there was a case I would listen.
The irony about police is that from a 2nd amendment, protecting yourself from tyranny standpoint, the militarization of local police forces is something citizens should be 100x more worried about than the federal government.
I like this post
I think somewhere in this thread someone answered my question and said the kid got the gun legally.
I'm in favor of changing that law today
I don't think everything is a slippery slope. I think insane people probably should not have guns
#Courage
AR 15 or AK 47 type weapons should be very hard to obtain after vigorous vetting
To out law a gun we need to be specific. To just say "assault rifle" won't stand the test. List the guns you want to ban all together and go from there.
Guns are like most issues these days. They work better for fundraising than they do for getting a resolution.
don't see how something like this can happen in a drug free and gun free zone. the kid probly didn't take his anti-depressants or he took too many...
THIS is the issue. We bitch and moan about gun control - but, honestly, how many of these fucks have serious mental issues that we(?) have been shamed into pitying and handling with kid gloves?
Some of these fucks needs lobotomized or institutionalized. I don't have the answer for who decides or how that happens - but extracting these poor tormented souls from the general populace certainly would decrease this kind of shit from happening.
Not really a fan of people control any more than I'm a fan of gun control.
It's not like one would be any easier or constitutionally sound than the other, either.
But if we? were serious it has to be both. Content control too. A lot of things we aren't willing to give up. Its far easier to offer ts and ps or rail about gun control. Neither of which does much
If you go back to before mass consumption of media we were a far less violent country.
Aren't violent crime rates down these days?
I'm sure there are cherry picked statistics that say that, compared to 1975 or something. But that's the shit politicians love to say to paper over the fact that some asshole just killed a bunch of innocent kids, as though those killings represent a statistical improvement since the old, more violent days. So, all you people who didn't get shot can relax, because you're actually quite safe. Statistically.
Or it could be that violent crime is down.
And what does it matter to the parents of 17 dead kids in Florida?
Or you? Or me?
I didn't say it did. Race said we're more violent today. Crime statistics say otherwise. It's just that school shootings are a kind of violence we didn't see before.
There is no solution that fits today, but there is a real simple way to shape the future.
You make a permanent Brady Bill. No long rifle magazine larger than 5 rounds, rimfires 10 rounds, and handguns 10 rounds. You do a one time government buy back for magazines larger than that. Of course that won't get rid of more than 25% of the current ones in circulation but it's a start.
Second you have to obtain a license to buy a firearm and you have to get it renewed every 5 to 7 years like a drivers license. If a doctor thinks you are too dangerous to society to own a gun you lose your gun buying privileges until they thing you are good again, just like driving. Your guns aren't ever taken away. You just can't buy any if you lose your license.
Stable, law abiding citizens can still own a zillion guns and use them as tools like they are intended.
Never owned/shot a gun because I am nothing more than a cowardly pussy, but I really don't think their legality is nearly as big a problem as the technological/media upbringing of the current and future generations.
I'm not going to pretend to be the psychoanalytic master of all, and if my post history means anything i'm probably one of the more mentally unstable poasters on the board, but we created this monster and glorified it in the process.
For a dude on the edge, it's the cool thing to do. I don't know what the solution is.
I'd feel safer if a few teachers on campus were knowingly armed, or had access to guns in strategically located gun safes within the school. Radical? Who GAF. Cowards like this crazy little fucker thrive when they know there won't be anyone shooting back at them. Let it be known that some teachers are well-trained and armed, and most of these shootings don't happen.
This is your ideal society?
Pragmatic is the word you're looking for.
Personally, I think trying to solve the root problem is better than accepting guns in schools and teachers trained as shooters as pragmatic.
That's fair. How do you plan to solve the mental health crisis in America? More drugs clearly isn't working.
In the interim, we need a pragmatic solution that will work. This solution is the pink elephant the left doesn't want to talk about.
I think the mental health crisis is about societal conditions, and probably largely driven by media as some have said. That is an extremely complex problem that cannot be solved quickly.
But in the interim, in fact in the interim and beyond, I think a civilian ban on assault weapons/magazines is pragmatic. Standard capacity semi auto handguns and standard capacity recreational weapons can stick around with background checks and some level of pre-sale mandatory safety training. I don't think anyone will ever convince me that an assault weapon is practical and necessary outside of military or paramilitary use.
So you support a ban of assault weapons from local police forces? including federal agencies like Bureau of Land Management?
If so, I'm willing to trade.
If not, I'm going to cling to the 2nd Amendment with every fiber of my being.
Paramilitary use includes SWAT so technically that part of the police force would be fine. I don't think regular patrolmen need assault weapons, but I could be talked in to high capacity mags for their service weapons along with the pump shotty that most have in the back of the squad car. That should be plenty to suppress a shooter until SWAT gets there. I don't know why the BLM would need AR's, but if there was a case I would listen.
The irony about police is that from a 2nd amendment, protecting yourself from tyranny standpoint, the militarization of local police forces is something citizens should be 100x more worried about than the federal government.
I like this post
I think somewhere in this thread someone answered my question and said the kid got the gun legally.
I'm in favor of changing that law today
I don't think everything is a slippery slope. I think insane people probably should not have guns
#Courage
AR 15 or AK 47 type weapons should be very hard to obtain after vigorous vetting
To out law a gun we need to be specific. To just say "assault rifle" won't stand the test. List the guns you want to ban all together and go from there.
Guns are like most issues these days. They work better for fundraising than they do for getting a resolution.
Execute the fucker. Trash that takes 17 lives does not deserve to live. Subject the piece of shit to 17 unique, excrutiating torture methods before finishing him off.
I read that the school has 3000 students. Add to that, what, 100 teachers or so, and some more staff members. That is basically the size of a small town like Algona. (Southend bitches!) Why the fuck would anyone think that a small towns worth of people, all of whom are at the most fucked up age imaginable, would be able to police themselves? Especially adding in the fact that the grown ups in this equation have absolutely no ability or authorization to discipline the kids anymore.
Why the fuck aren't there 3 cops employed at this school, or at least 2 and 2 security guards. And if cost is an issue, then fire one of the 3 vice principals, or teach him to be a security guard.
What no one ever mentions is that almost all of the school shooters were on antidepressants. Listen to the warning speech during the next commercial for one. The problem is a mental health issue more than anything else. All the students knew this kid was a nut job. The school knew it as well. Now we know the FBI was warned about him and yet he carried out his plans.
The Israeli's in the 70's suffered numerous terrorist attacks at schools, school buses, field trips etc. They solved the problem. They armed some of the teachers. Terrorists didn't like their nice soft targets shooting back.
The mass shooting stats up above are misleading as everyone has a different definition of mass shooting, school shooting etc. Anti gun groups even count anything near a school.
I checked my guns this morning. They were all still where i left them. Hadn't killed anyone or left the premises. They are only as good, evil or crazy as the person using them.
And for the Franny.
Stop trying to shed light on the real problem here, which is mental health.
It really detracts from Boobs and fleas simplistic blame it on Trump,Republicans and the mere existence of firearms.
You worthless fucking cunt. I simply said Trump was a fuckhead for easing restrictions on mentally ill people getting guns. Nothing more.
The rest of your cunty fucking post is just you being the retarded cunt you are.
It would be great if someone shot your dumb fucking ass instead of a bunch of kids.
Go fuck yourself.
Somebody learned a new word.
Doesn't matter...
You're still a closeted fag.
It's not new. I've been calling you a cunt for years.
That's because you are one.
Did your boyfriend rig a shock collar to deliver 10,000 volts every time you type faggot?
I'd feel safer if a few teachers on campus were knowingly armed, or had access to guns in strategically located gun safes within the school. Radical? Who GAF. Cowards like this crazy little fucker thrive when they know there won't be anyone shooting back at them. Let it be known that some teachers are well-trained and armed, and most of these shootings don't happen.
Yes if there is one thing that mass shooters that usually commit suicide are scared of, it's dying.
No one has done this expecting to get away.
I think that's well known. The idea is to stop them immediately. Waiting for help to arrive means more time for the killer to carry out his crime. Average response time in most larger cities to a high priority call is 8 minutes. Rural areas can be 20 minutes to and hour.
No The answer is to stop it before it happens. You can't rely on someone off site to stop it once it starts. Almost all of these little fucks have laid a trail of bread crumbs as to what they are going to do, but no one steps up and turns them in.
The best way to stop it before it happens is to take away the guns.
Everyone's?
How?
Modify the second amendment to ban assault rifles.
This will never happen of course, because we have chosen to make gun fanatics more important than children.
To you everything is an assault weapon. Take a peek a a guy I know named Jerry. Competed with him many times. This is what someone can do with a 6 shot revolver. Is this now an assault weapon? The Boobs of the world would call it one.
I'd feel safer if a few teachers on campus were knowingly armed, or had access to guns in strategically located gun safes within the school. Radical? Who GAF. Cowards like this crazy little fucker thrive when they know there won't be anyone shooting back at them. Let it be known that some teachers are well-trained and armed, and most of these shootings don't happen.
Yes if there is one thing that mass shooters that usually commit suicide are scared of, it's dying.
No one has done this expecting to get away.
I think that's well known. The idea is to stop them immediately. Waiting for help to arrive means more time for the killer to carry out his crime. Average response time in most larger cities to a high priority call is 8 minutes. Rural areas can be 20 minutes to and hour.
No The answer is to stop it before it happens. You can't rely on someone off site to stop it once it starts. Almost all of these little fucks have laid a trail of bread crumbs as to what they are going to do, but no one steps up and turns them in.
The best way to stop it before it happens is to take away the guns.
Everyone's?
How?
Modify the second amendment to ban assault rifles.
This will never happen of course, because we have chosen to make gun fanatics more important than children.
I never realized, until this very moment, that Boobs was a girl.
I'd feel safer if a few teachers on campus were knowingly armed, or had access to guns in strategically located gun safes within the school. Radical? Who GAF. Cowards like this crazy little fucker thrive when they know there won't be anyone shooting back at them. Let it be known that some teachers are well-trained and armed, and most of these shootings don't happen.
Yes if there is one thing that mass shooters that usually commit suicide are scared of, it's dying.
No one has done this expecting to get away.
I think that's well known. The idea is to stop them immediately. Waiting for help to arrive means more time for the killer to carry out his crime. Average response time in most larger cities to a high priority call is 8 minutes. Rural areas can be 20 minutes to and hour.
No The answer is to stop it before it happens. You can't rely on someone off site to stop it once it starts. Almost all of these little fucks have laid a trail of bread crumbs as to what they are going to do, but no one steps up and turns them in.
The best way to stop it before it happens is to take away the guns.
Everyone's?
How?
Modify the second amendment to ban assault rifles.
This will never happen of course, because we have chosen to make gun fanatics more important than children.
Assuming we can define that those guns are already illegal. That's why those kids burned in Waco
Making a product illegal only makes it more valuable
Never owned a gun. If that works do it but it won't
Do we know if this nut had a legal gun?
No other major Western nation has this school shooting epidemic.
I'd feel safer if a few teachers on campus were knowingly armed, or had access to guns in strategically located gun safes within the school. Radical? Who GAF. Cowards like this crazy little fucker thrive when they know there won't be anyone shooting back at them. Let it be known that some teachers are well-trained and armed, and most of these shootings don't happen.
This is your ideal society?
Pragmatic is the word you're looking for.
Personally, I think trying to solve the root problem is better than accepting guns in schools and teachers trained as shooters as pragmatic.
That's fair. How do you plan to solve the mental health crisis in America? More drugs clearly isn't working.
In the interim, we need a pragmatic solution that will work. This solution is the pink elephant the left doesn't want to talk about.
I think the mental health crisis is about societal conditions, and probably largely driven by media as some have said. That is an extremely complex problem that cannot be solved quickly.
But in the interim, in fact in the interim and beyond, I think a civilian ban on assault weapons/magazines is pragmatic. Standard capacity semi auto handguns and standard capacity recreational weapons can stick around with background checks and some level of pre-sale mandatory safety training. I don't think anyone will ever convince me that an assault weapon is practical and necessary outside of military or paramilitary use.
They are for defense against a tyrannical government. The right to arms and self defense is an inalienable right that existed prior to the constitution and is considered God given. You can't revoke it. Ever.
I'd feel safer if a few teachers on campus were knowingly armed, or had access to guns in strategically located gun safes within the school. Radical? Who GAF. Cowards like this crazy little fucker thrive when they know there won't be anyone shooting back at them. Let it be known that some teachers are well-trained and armed, and most of these shootings don't happen.
Yes if there is one thing that mass shooters that usually commit suicide are scared of, it's dying.
No one has done this expecting to get away.
I think that's well known. The idea is to stop them immediately. Waiting for help to arrive means more time for the killer to carry out his crime. Average response time in most larger cities to a high priority call is 8 minutes. Rural areas can be 20 minutes to and hour.
No The answer is to stop it before it happens. You can't rely on someone off site to stop it once it starts. Almost all of these little fucks have laid a trail of bread crumbs as to what they are going to do, but no one steps up and turns them in.
The best way to stop it before it happens is to take away the guns.
Everyone's?
How?
Modify the second amendment to ban assault rifles.
This will never happen of course, because we have chosen to make gun fanatics more important than children.
To you everything is an assault weapon. Take a peek a a guy I know named Jerry. Competed with him many times. This is what someone can do with a 6 shot revolver. Is this now an assault weapon? The Boobs of the world would call it one.
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Limiting ammo, bump-stocks and high-capacity magazines? Fuck yes. I have no problem with that at all. My former marine neighbor and I almost brawled in a bar over it. I also have no problem with the local crazy fuck having his guns confiscated, but I'll never win that argument because crazy people get offended at being called crazy, and I'm being "ableist" if I say, "That Fucker's Crazy."
We do this shit to ourselves when we adopt all these pre-packaged agendas the media and politicians feed us.
Should Tequila have guns, sure.
DDY? Yes, but something like a Derringer or PPK, cause I can see him effeminately blowing the smoke away from the barrel after he shoots a rival to death, like a scene from a Truman Capote or Tennessee Williams play.
Coker? No fucking way. Catholic schoolboy who doesn't drink? That's crazier than a shit-house rat!
Or you? Or me?
I think somewhere in this thread someone answered my question and said the kid got the gun legally.
I'm in favor of changing that law today
I don't think everything is a slippery slope. I think insane people probably should not have guns
#Courage
AR 15 or AK 47 type weapons should be very hard to obtain after vigorous vetting
To out law a gun we need to be specific. To just say "assault rifle" won't stand the test. List the guns you want to ban all together and go from there.
Guns are like most issues these days. They work better for fundraising than they do for getting a resolution.
Everybody does it
We're fucked
Go DAWGS
Are you going to need to argue about that now?
You make a permanent Brady Bill. No long rifle magazine larger than 5 rounds, rimfires 10 rounds, and handguns 10 rounds. You do a one time government buy back for magazines larger than that. Of course that won't get rid of more than 25% of the current ones in circulation but it's a start.
Second you have to obtain a license to buy a firearm and you have to get it renewed every 5 to 7 years like a drivers license. If a doctor thinks you are too dangerous to society to own a gun you lose your gun buying privileges until they thing you are good again, just like driving. Your guns aren't ever taken away. You just can't buy any if you lose your license.
Stable, law abiding citizens can still own a zillion guns and use them as tools like they are intended.
Easy peasy. Won't ever fucking happen.
I'm not going to pretend to be the psychoanalytic master of all, and if my post history means anything i'm probably one of the more mentally unstable poasters on the board, but we created this monster and glorified it in the process.
For a dude on the edge, it's the cool thing to do. I don't know what the solution is.
Why the fuck aren't there 3 cops employed at this school, or at least 2 and 2 security guards. And if cost is an issue, then fire one of the 3 vice principals, or teach him to be a security guard.