I'd feel safer if a few teachers on campus were knowingly armed, or had access to guns in strategically located gun safes within the school. Radical? Who GAF. Cowards like this crazy little fucker thrive when they know there won't be anyone shooting back at them. Let it be known that some teachers are well-trained and armed, and most of these shootings don't happen.
This is your ideal society?
Pragmatic is the word you're looking for.
Personally, I think trying to solve the root problem is better than accepting guns in schools and teachers trained as shooters as pragmatic.
That's fair. How do you plan to solve the mental health crisis in America? More drugs clearly isn't working.
In the interim, we need a pragmatic solution that will work. This solution is the pink elephant the left doesn't want to talk about.
I think the mental health crisis is about societal conditions, and probably largely driven by media as some have said. That is an extremely complex problem that cannot be solved quickly.
But in the interim, in fact in the interim and beyond, I think a civilian ban on assault weapons/magazines is pragmatic. Standard capacity semi auto handguns and standard capacity recreational weapons can stick around with background checks and some level of pre-sale mandatory safety training. I don't think anyone will ever convince me that an assault weapon is practical and necessary outside of military or paramilitary use.
They are for defense against a tyrannical government. The right to arms and self defense is an inalienable right that existed prior to the constitution and is considered God given. You can't revoke it. Ever.
Are you reading the Quran or some shit? Cause that's not in the Bible I read.
Exodus 22:2.... If a thief is caught breaking in at night and is struck a fatal blow, the defender is not guilty of bloodshed
“If a man shall steal an ox, or a sheep, and kill it, or sell it; he shall pay five oxen for an ox, and four sheep for a sheep. If the thief be found breaking in, and be smitten so that he dieth, there shall be no bloodguiltiness for him. If the sun be risen upon him, there shall be bloodguiltiness for him; he shall make restitution: if he have nothing, then he shall be sold for his theft. If the theft be found in his hand alive, whether it be ox, or ass, or sheep, he shall pay double. If a man shall cause a field or vineyard to be eaten, and shall let his beast loose, and it feed in another man’s field; of the best of his own field, and of the best of his own vineyard, shall he make restitution. If fire break out, and catch in thorns, so that the shocks of grain, or the standing grain, or the field are consumed; he that kindled the fire shall surely make restitution. If a man shall deliver unto his neighbor money or stuff to keep, and it be stolen out of the man’s house; if the thief be found, he shall pay double. If the thief be not found, then the master of the house shall come near unto God, to see whether he have not put his hand unto his neighbor’s goods. For every matter of trespass, whether it be for ox, for ass, for sheep, for raiment, or for any manner of lost thing, whereof one saith, This is it, the cause of both parties shall come before God; he whom God shall condemn shall pay double unto his neighbor. If a man deliver unto his neighbor an ass, or an ox, or a sheep, or any beast, to keep; and it die, or be hurt, or driven away, no man seeing it: the oath of Jehovah shall be between them both, whether he hath not put his hand unto his neighbor’s goods; and the owner thereof shall accept it, and he shall not make restitution. But if it be stolen from him, he shall make restitution unto the owner thereof. If it be torn in pieces, let him bring it for witness: he shall not make good that which was torn. And if a man borrow aught of his neighbor, and it be hurt, or die, the owner thereof not being with it, he shall surely make restitution. If the owner thereof be with it, he shall not make it good: if it be a hired thing, it came for its hire. And if a man entice a virgin that is not betrothed, and lie with her, he shall surely pay a dowry for her to be his wife. If her father utterly refuse to give her unto him, he shall pay money according to the dowry of virgins. Thou shalt not suffer a sorceress to live. Whosoever lieth with a beast shall surely be put to death. He that sacrificeth unto any god, save unto Jehovah only, shall be utterly destroyed. And a sojourner shalt thou not wrong, neither shalt thou oppress him: for ye were sojourners in the land of Egypt. Ye shall not afflict any widow, or fatherless child. If thou afflict them at all, and they cry at all unto me, I will surely hear their cry; and my wrath shall wax hot, and I will kill you with the sword; and your wives shall be widows, and your children fatherless. If thou lend money to any of my people with thee that is poor, thou shalt not be to him as a creditor; neither shall ye lay upon him interest. If thou at all take thy neighbor’s garment to pledge, thou shalt restore it unto him before the sun goeth down: for that is his only covering, it is his garment for his skin: wherein shall he sleep? And it shall come to pass, when he crieth unto me, that I will hear; for I am gracious. Thou shalt not revile God, nor curse a ruler of thy people. Thou shalt not delay to offer of thy harvest, and of the outflow of thy presses. The first-born of thy sons shalt thou give unto me. Likewise shalt thou do with thine oxen, and with thy sheep: seven days it shall be with its dam; on the eighth day thou shalt give it me. And ye shall be holy men unto me: therefore ye shall not eat any flesh that is torn of beasts in the field; ye shall cast it to the dogs.” Exodus 22:1-31 ASV
I'd feel safer if a few teachers on campus were knowingly armed, or had access to guns in strategically located gun safes within the school. Radical? Who GAF. Cowards like this crazy little fucker thrive when they know there won't be anyone shooting back at them. Let it be known that some teachers are well-trained and armed, and most of these shootings don't happen.
This is your ideal society?
Pragmatic is the word you're looking for.
Personally, I think trying to solve the root problem is better than accepting guns in schools and teachers trained as shooters as pragmatic.
That's fair. How do you plan to solve the mental health crisis in America? More drugs clearly isn't working.
In the interim, we need a pragmatic solution that will work. This solution is the pink elephant the left doesn't want to talk about.
I think the mental health crisis is about societal conditions, and probably largely driven by media as some have said. That is an extremely complex problem that cannot be solved quickly.
But in the interim, in fact in the interim and beyond, I think a civilian ban on assault weapons/magazines is pragmatic. Standard capacity semi auto handguns and standard capacity recreational weapons can stick around with background checks and some level of pre-sale mandatory safety training. I don't think anyone will ever convince me that an assault weapon is practical and necessary outside of military or paramilitary use.
They are for defense against a tyrannical government. The right to arms and self defense is an inalienable right that existed prior to the constitution and is considered God given. You can't revoke it. Ever.
Are you reading the Quran or some shit? Cause that's not in the Bible I read.
Exodus 22:2.... If a thief is caught breaking in at night and is struck a fatal blow, the defender is not guilty of bloodshed
Other good news from the Torah, if you're a jew slavery is a green light.
As for the male and female slaves whom you may have, it is from the nations around you that you may acquire male and female slaves. 45 You may also acquire them from among the aliens residing with you, and from their families that are with you, who have been born in your land; and they may be your property. 46 You may keep them as a possession for your children after you, for them to inherit as property. These you may treat as slaves, but as for your fellow Israelites, no one shall rule over the other with harshness.
Leviticus 25:44-46 New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)
I'd feel safer if a few teachers on campus were knowingly armed, or had access to guns in strategically located gun safes within the school. Radical? Who GAF. Cowards like this crazy little fucker thrive when they know there won't be anyone shooting back at them. Let it be known that some teachers are well-trained and armed, and most of these shootings don't happen.
This is your ideal society?
Pragmatic is the word you're looking for.
Personally, I think trying to solve the root problem is better than accepting guns in schools and teachers trained as shooters as pragmatic.
That's fair. How do you plan to solve the mental health crisis in America? More drugs clearly isn't working.
In the interim, we need a pragmatic solution that will work. This solution is the pink elephant the left doesn't want to talk about.
I think the mental health crisis is about societal conditions, and probably largely driven by media as some have said. That is an extremely complex problem that cannot be solved quickly.
But in the interim, in fact in the interim and beyond, I think a civilian ban on assault weapons/magazines is pragmatic. Standard capacity semi auto handguns and standard capacity recreational weapons can stick around with background checks and some level of pre-sale mandatory safety training. I don't think anyone will ever convince me that an assault weapon is practical and necessary outside of military or paramilitary use.
They are for defense against a tyrannical government. The right to arms and self defense is an inalienable right that existed prior to the constitution and is considered God given. You can't revoke it. Ever.
Are you reading the Quran or some shit? Cause that's not in the Bible I read.
Exodus 22:2.... If a thief is caught breaking in at night and is struck a fatal blow, the defender is not guilty of bloodshed
“If a man shall steal an ox, or a sheep, and kill it, or sell it; he shall pay five oxen for an ox, and four sheep for a sheep. If the thief be found breaking in, and be smitten so that he dieth, there shall be no bloodguiltiness for him. If the sun be risen upon him, there shall be bloodguiltiness for him; he shall make restitution: if he have nothing, then he shall be sold for his theft. If the theft be found in his hand alive, whether it be ox, or ass, or sheep, he shall pay double. If a man shall cause a field or vineyard to be eaten, and shall let his beast loose, and it feed in another man’s field; of the best of his own field, and of the best of his own vineyard, shall he make restitution. If fire break out, and catch in thorns, so that the shocks of grain, or the standing grain, or the field are consumed; he that kindled the fire shall surely make restitution. If a man shall deliver unto his neighbor money or stuff to keep, and it be stolen out of the man’s house; if the thief be found, he shall pay double. If the thief be not found, then the master of the house shall come near unto God, to see whether he have not put his hand unto his neighbor’s goods. For every matter of trespass, whether it be for ox, for ass, for sheep, for raiment, or for any manner of lost thing, whereof one saith, This is it, the cause of both parties shall come before God; he whom God shall condemn shall pay double unto his neighbor. If a man deliver unto his neighbor an ass, or an ox, or a sheep, or any beast, to keep; and it die, or be hurt, or driven away, no man seeing it: the oath of Jehovah shall be between them both, whether he hath not put his hand unto his neighbor’s goods; and the owner thereof shall accept it, and he shall not make restitution. But if it be stolen from him, he shall make restitution unto the owner thereof. If it be torn in pieces, let him bring it for witness: he shall not make good that which was torn. And if a man borrow aught of his neighbor, and it be hurt, or die, the owner thereof not being with it, he shall surely make restitution. If the owner thereof be with it, he shall not make it good: if it be a hired thing, it came for its hire. And if a man entice a virgin that is not betrothed, and lie with her, he shall surely pay a dowry for her to be his wife. If her father utterly refuse to give her unto him, he shall pay money according to the dowry of virgins. Thou shalt not suffer a sorceress to live. Whosoever lieth with a beast shall surely be put to death. He that sacrificeth unto any god, save unto Jehovah only, shall be utterly destroyed. And a sojourner shalt thou not wrong, neither shalt thou oppress him: for ye were sojourners in the land of Egypt. Ye shall not afflict any widow, or fatherless child. If thou afflict them at all, and they cry at all unto me, I will surely hear their cry; and my wrath shall wax hot, and I will kill you with the sword; and your wives shall be widows, and your children fatherless. If thou lend money to any of my people with thee that is poor, thou shalt not be to him as a creditor; neither shall ye lay upon him interest. If thou at all take thy neighbor’s garment to pledge, thou shalt restore it unto him before the sun goeth down: for that is his only covering, it is his garment for his skin: wherein shall he sleep? And it shall come to pass, when he crieth unto me, that I will hear; for I am gracious. Thou shalt not revile God, nor curse a ruler of thy people. Thou shalt not delay to offer of thy harvest, and of the outflow of thy presses. The first-born of thy sons shalt thou give unto me. Likewise shalt thou do with thine oxen, and with thy sheep: seven days it shall be with its dam; on the eighth day thou shalt give it me. And ye shall be holy men unto me: therefore ye shall not eat any flesh that is torn of beasts in the field; ye shall cast it to the dogs.” Exodus 22:1-31 ASV
Semi and full auto firearms have been around for well over a hundred years. Prior to 1932 you could walk in to your local gun shop or hardware store and buy a Thompson sub machine gun or a Browning BAR.
My point is guns haven't really changed at all but somehow we have. Kids used to take their guns to school in rural areas so they could hunt to and from school and were usually racked in the school office. We didn't have school shootings. What's different? The way children are raised? Massive use of prescription psychotropic drugs? Kids on Ritalin? The thought of being remembered for their act?
I don't know. There are more than 8 million AR 15's out there and millions more of the many other various semi autos. The government doesn't know where they are. You can not go get them unless someone is willing to search every home in the entire country and that won't work either. You can't outlaw what you can't control or find. Mexico cops just recovered a big stash of AK's, ammo, grenades and claymore mines near our border. Hundreds of thousands of people sneak in to our country every year. So those that say "legalize drugs we can't stop them" think this stupid horse shit will work.
It's a people problem not a gun problem.
I typed this long ass post on my phone so don't bitch!
So a Thompson Sub Machine cost about $200 in 1920 which in 2018 USD is about $2,600. What's an AR run these days? $600 - $900 sound about right? Nobody but gangsters or the military could afford them back then so they never became widespread amongst the civilian population.
Not really comparable. An AR that cost between 600-900 is a semi-automatic rifle, not an automatic. A pre-1986 full Auto M-16 is going to cost like +20,000 $ (oddly enough, during the assault weapon ban, it was legal federally to buy a select fire M-16 but not an AR-15). Rifle homicides are also a tiny fraction of gun homicides, most are committed with pistols. I'm not really sure you can say that the prevalence of semi-auto long guns is the cause of more gun violence (maybe it is, but why would that be the case. Wouldn't somebody just use a pistol or a bolt action rifle?).
Edit: This isn't to say that laws couldn't or shouldn't be enacted, but it would seem reasonable if they were more directed. You could require registration of detachable magazine semi-auto rifles or semi-auto detachable magazine guns.
I'd feel safer if a few teachers on campus were knowingly armed, or had access to guns in strategically located gun safes within the school. Radical? Who GAF. Cowards like this crazy little fucker thrive when they know there won't be anyone shooting back at them. Let it be known that some teachers are well-trained and armed, and most of these shootings don't happen.
Yes if there is one thing that mass shooters that usually commit suicide are scared of, it's dying.
No one has done this expecting to get away.
I think that's well known. The idea is to stop them immediately. Waiting for help to arrive means more time for the killer to carry out his crime. Average response time in most larger cities to a high priority call is 8 minutes. Rural areas can be 20 minutes to and hour.
No The answer is to stop it before it happens. You can't rely on someone off site to stop it once it starts. Almost all of these little fucks have laid a trail of bread crumbs as to what they are going to do, but no one steps up and turns them in.
The best way to stop it before it happens is to take away the guns.
Everyone's?
How?
Modify the second amendment to ban assault rifles.
This will never happen of course, because we have chosen to make gun fanatics more important than children.
To you everything is an assault weapon. Take a peek a a guy I know named Jerry. Competed with him many times. This is what someone can do with a 6 shot revolver. Is this now an assault weapon? The Boobs of the world would call it one.
Meanwhile...what the Founders had in mine when they wrote the damn thing.
So by that logic we are only allowed free speech if you speak it or print it on a one page at a time printing press. Computers the internet, telephones etc. are all not eligible for protection under the 1st amendment.
Your vehicle doesn't require a search warrant nor your computer or phone. We could go on but you get the idea.
They knew exactly what they were doing having just overthrown a tyrannical monarchy.
The strict constructionists hate you now.
PS: that's kinda the point. Spending time thinking about what someone was thinking 200 years ago lost its appeal about 100 years ago. Principles to be applied in the age in which they are considered. And today, the idea that your gun collection is a legitimate buffer against a modern-day government and military is frankly silly and contrived.
When everyone had the same, inaccurate, hard af to load, pea shooters and a few family and friends could put up a fight against a military regiment? Yeah, different story.
Look, Cuog: You and I both know it's the "well regulated militia" that provides the avenue of redress for keeping guns out of the hands of crazies, but the fucking libs keep making it about the guns & ammo, instead of the sanity of the fucking people who shoot them.
So, why doesn't anyone listen to me and appropriate my brilliance? Because the fucking authoritarian, big government libs don't understand shit about guns or gun culture, and they hate the 2nd amendment with a passion.
Interestingly, we can work on the multiple causes of an issue at once and still enjoy the taste of chewing gum.
There's a mental health problem in the US, and it seems to be growing if Seattle's growing homeless population is any indicator at all.
There's a gun problem in the US any time you can show me a diagnosed Autistic 19 year old kid with a documented past of issues can walk in off the street and walk out with an assault rifle (or any fire arm for that matter).
I don't want the guv to take your guns. I want the process to obtain one, even a pea shooter, to become a lot more rigorous than it is. There should be a fulsome licensing process AT LEAST as rigorous as getting one's driver's license. While the process is pending, regulators can look into a person's profile and decide if there are any reasons for concern.
Last I heard, I'm not allowed to possess plutonium. The only way I know how to be dangerous with it is to expose people to it, but still, I can't and shouldn't have it. I've accepted this limitation in my life.
Disagree. I don't know anyone on these boreds who can chew gum and do anything else, besides jerk off at the same time.
I believe it was Earl Warren who opined the 2nd Amendment was primarily a "militia amendment" that prescribed WHO gets to have the guns, which could mean anybody except for the crazies and soft-brains like Hondo and Cirrho, whom would accidentally shoot themselves within seconds.
Semi and full auto firearms have been around for well over a hundred years. Prior to 1932 you could walk in to your local gun shop or hardware store and buy a Thompson sub machine gun or a Browning BAR.
My point is guns haven't really changed at all but somehow we have. Kids used to take their guns to school in rural areas so they could hunt to and from school and were usually racked in the school office. We didn't have school shootings. What's different? The way children are raised? Massive use of prescription psychotropic drugs? Kids on Ritalin? The thought of being remembered for their act?
I don't know. There are more than 8 million AR 15's out there and millions more of the many other various semi autos. The government doesn't know where they are. You can not go get them unless someone is willing to search every home in the entire country and that won't work either. You can't outlaw what you can't control or find. Mexico cops just recovered a big stash of AK's, ammo, grenades and claymore mines near our border. Hundreds of thousands of people sneak in to our country every year. So those that say "legalize drugs we can't stop them" think this stupid horse shit will work.
It's a people problem not a gun problem.
I typed this long ass post on my phone so don't bitch!
So a Thompson Sub Machine cost about $200 in 1920 which in 2018 USD is about $2,600. What's an AR run these days? $600 - $900 sound about right? Nobody but gangsters or the military could afford them back then so they never became widespread amongst the civilian population.
Not really comparable. An AR that cost between 600-900 is a semi-automatic rifle, not an automatic. A pre-1986 full Auto M-16 is going to cost like +20,000 $ (oddly enough, during the assault weapon ban, it was legal federally to buy a select fire M-16 but not an AR-15). Rifle homicides are also a tiny fraction of gun homicides, most are committed with pistols. I'm not really sure you can say that the prevalence of semi-auto long guns is the cause of more gun violence (maybe it is, but why would that be the case. Wouldn't somebody just use a pistol or a bolt action rifle?).
Edit: This isn't to say that laws couldn't or shouldn't be enacted, but it would seem reasonable if they were more directed. You could require registration of detachable magazine semi-auto rifles or semi-auto detachable magazine guns.
This is correct. From a raw numbers stand point, hand guns kill far more then rifles. But then not all gun violence is created equal either. Some gangster in Chicago shoots and kills another gangster, or some guy offs his wife with a pistol, doesn't have the same impact on society as someone going into a school with an AK or AR and executing scores of innocent children.
I'd feel safer if a few teachers on campus were knowingly armed, or had access to guns in strategically located gun safes within the school. Radical? Who GAF. Cowards like this crazy little fucker thrive when they know there won't be anyone shooting back at them. Let it be known that some teachers are well-trained and armed, and most of these shootings don't happen.
Yes if there is one thing that mass shooters that usually commit suicide are scared of, it's dying.
No one has done this expecting to get away.
I think that's well known. The idea is to stop them immediately. Waiting for help to arrive means more time for the killer to carry out his crime. Average response time in most larger cities to a high priority call is 8 minutes. Rural areas can be 20 minutes to and hour.
No The answer is to stop it before it happens. You can't rely on someone off site to stop it once it starts. Almost all of these little fucks have laid a trail of bread crumbs as to what they are going to do, but no one steps up and turns them in.
The best way to stop it before it happens is to take away the guns.
Everyone's?
How?
Modify the second amendment to ban assault rifles.
This will never happen of course, because we have chosen to make gun fanatics more important than children.
To you everything is an assault weapon. Take a peek a a guy I know named Jerry. Competed with him many times. This is what someone can do with a 6 shot revolver. Is this now an assault weapon? The Boobs of the world would call it one.
Meanwhile...what the Founders had in mine when they wrote the damn thing.
So by that logic we are only allowed free speech if you speak it or print it on a one page at a time printing press. Computers the internet, telephones etc. are all not eligible for protection under the 1st amendment.
Your vehicle doesn't require a search warrant nor your computer or phone. We could go on but you get the idea.
They knew exactly what they were doing having just overthrown a tyrannical monarchy.
The strict constructionists hate you now.
PS: that's kinda the point. Spending time thinking about what someone was thinking 200 years ago lost its appeal about 100 years ago. Principles to be applied in the age in which they are considered. And today, the idea that your gun collection is a legitimate buffer against a modern-day government and military is frankly silly and contrived.
When everyone had the same, inaccurate, hard af to load, pea shooters and a few family and friends could put up a fight against a military regiment? Yeah, different story.
Look, Cuog: You and I both know it's the "well regulated militia" that provides the avenue of redress for keeping guns out of the hands of crazies, but the fucking libs keep making it about the guns & ammo, instead of the sanity of the fucking people who shoot them.
So, why doesn't anyone listen to me and appropriate my brilliance? Because the fucking authoritarian, big government libs don't understand shit about guns or gun culture, and they hate the 2nd amendment with a passion.
Interestingly, we can work on the multiple causes of an issue at once and still enjoy the taste of chewing gum.
There's a mental health problem in the US, and it seems to be growing if Seattle's growing homeless population is any indicator at all.
There's a gun problem in the US any time you can show me a diagnosed Autistic 19 year old kid with a documented past of issues can walk in off the street and walk out with an assault rifle (or any fire arm for that matter).
I don't want the guv to take your guns. I want the process to obtain one, even a pea shooter, to become a lot more rigorous than it is. There should be a fulsome licensing process AT LEAST as rigorous as getting one's driver's license. While the process is pending, regulators can look into a person's profile and decide if there are any reasons for concern.
Last I heard, I'm not allowed to possess plutonium. The only way I know how to be dangerous with it is to expose people to it, but still, I can't and shouldn't have it. I've accepted this limitation in my life.
That's not a gun problem you have a law enforcement problem.
I'd feel safer if a few teachers on campus were knowingly armed, or had access to guns in strategically located gun safes within the school. Radical? Who GAF. Cowards like this crazy little fucker thrive when they know there won't be anyone shooting back at them. Let it be known that some teachers are well-trained and armed, and most of these shootings don't happen.
Yes if there is one thing that mass shooters that usually commit suicide are scared of, it's dying.
No one has done this expecting to get away.
I think that's well known. The idea is to stop them immediately. Waiting for help to arrive means more time for the killer to carry out his crime. Average response time in most larger cities to a high priority call is 8 minutes. Rural areas can be 20 minutes to and hour.
No The answer is to stop it before it happens. You can't rely on someone off site to stop it once it starts. Almost all of these little fucks have laid a trail of bread crumbs as to what they are going to do, but no one steps up and turns them in.
The best way to stop it before it happens is to take away the guns.
Everyone's?
How?
Modify the second amendment to ban assault rifles.
This will never happen of course, because we have chosen to make gun fanatics more important than children.
To you everything is an assault weapon. Take a peek a a guy I know named Jerry. Competed with him many times. This is what someone can do with a 6 shot revolver. Is this now an assault weapon? The Boobs of the world would call it one.
Meanwhile...what the Founders had in mine when they wrote the damn thing.
So by that logic we are only allowed free speech if you speak it or print it on a one page at a time printing press. Computers the internet, telephones etc. are all not eligible for protection under the 1st amendment.
Your vehicle doesn't require a search warrant nor your computer or phone. We could go on but you get the idea.
They knew exactly what they were doing having just overthrown a tyrannical monarchy.
The strict constructionists hate you now.
PS: that's kinda the point. Spending time thinking about what someone was thinking 200 years ago lost its appeal about 100 years ago. Principles to be applied in the age in which they are considered. And today, the idea that your gun collection is a legitimate buffer against a modern-day government and military is frankly silly and contrived.
When everyone had the same, inaccurate, hard af to load, pea shooters and a few family and friends could put up a fight against a military regiment? Yeah, different story.
Look, Cuog: You and I both know it's the "well regulated militia" that provides the avenue of redress for keeping guns out of the hands of crazies, but the fucking libs keep making it about the guns & ammo, instead of the sanity of the fucking people who shoot them.
So, why doesn't anyone listen to me and appropriate my brilliance? Because the fucking authoritarian, big government libs don't understand shit about guns or gun culture, and they hate the 2nd amendment with a passion.
TB,
It's got nothing to do with the "well regulated militia". Check out the Supreme's.
Semi and full auto firearms have been around for well over a hundred years. Prior to 1932 you could walk in to your local gun shop or hardware store and buy a Thompson sub machine gun or a Browning BAR.
My point is guns haven't really changed at all but somehow we have. Kids used to take their guns to school in rural areas so they could hunt to and from school and were usually racked in the school office. We didn't have school shootings. What's different? The way children are raised? Massive use of prescription psychotropic drugs? Kids on Ritalin? The thought of being remembered for their act?
I don't know. There are more than 8 million AR 15's out there and millions more of the many other various semi autos. The government doesn't know where they are. You can not go get them unless someone is willing to search every home in the entire country and that won't work either. You can't outlaw what you can't control or find. Mexico cops just recovered a big stash of AK's, ammo, grenades and claymore mines near our border. Hundreds of thousands of people sneak in to our country every year. So those that say "legalize drugs we can't stop them" think this stupid horse shit will work.
It's a people problem not a gun problem.
I typed this long ass post on my phone so don't bitch!
Wut? That's right, contrary to what I watch on the history channel, they did have fully automatic weapons in the 1700s when the Constitution was written. And tanks and attack helicopters.
You better read what the founders had to say as it seems your history teachers sucked ass.
Why is this a new, last 20 years or so, problem Hondo? Just an FYI the AR15 has been around for over 50 years.
The implement isn't the problem. As I have pointed out you're not screaming to outlaw large trucks. Evil and crazy exist and the only way to stop evil crazy people when they do either of these, or a number of other acts, is to shoot them. HTH
You had me but you're losing me Sledog. You're making a Gary Bauer argument about changing hearts and minds, and that's a fucking loser all the way.
We can easily restrict the availability of high-cap magazines, bump stocks, and shit like that won't necessarily prevent shootings of this type, but can reduce the impact and deadliness we are seeing far too often. And none of it will stop you and I from hunting, shooting, protecting ourselves, or even restrict us from anything necessary, except blowing a watermelon to smithereens for fun. (Which will piss throbber off, I'm pretty sure).
The Throbber is only black between his hips and thighs.
I'd feel safer if a few teachers on campus were knowingly armed, or had access to guns in strategically located gun safes within the school. Radical? Who GAF. Cowards like this crazy little fucker thrive when they know there won't be anyone shooting back at them. Let it be known that some teachers are well-trained and armed, and most of these shootings don't happen.
Yes if there is one thing that mass shooters that usually commit suicide are scared of, it's dying.
No one has done this expecting to get away.
I think that's well known. The idea is to stop them immediately. Waiting for help to arrive means more time for the killer to carry out his crime. Average response time in most larger cities to a high priority call is 8 minutes. Rural areas can be 20 minutes to and hour.
No The answer is to stop it before it happens. You can't rely on someone off site to stop it once it starts. Almost all of these little fucks have laid a trail of bread crumbs as to what they are going to do, but no one steps up and turns them in.
The best way to stop it before it happens is to take away the guns.
Everyone's?
How?
Modify the second amendment to ban assault rifles.
This will never happen of course, because we have chosen to make gun fanatics more important than children.
To you everything is an assault weapon. Take a peek a a guy I know named Jerry. Competed with him many times. This is what someone can do with a 6 shot revolver. Is this now an assault weapon? The Boobs of the world would call it one.
Meanwhile...what the Founders had in mine when they wrote the damn thing.
So by that logic we are only allowed free speech if you speak it or print it on a one page at a time printing press. Computers the internet, telephones etc. are all not eligible for protection under the 1st amendment.
Your vehicle doesn't require a search warrant nor your computer or phone. We could go on but you get the idea.
They knew exactly what they were doing having just overthrown a tyrannical monarchy.
The strict constructionists hate you now.
PS: that's kinda the point. Spending time thinking about what someone was thinking 200 years ago lost its appeal about 100 years ago. Principles to be applied in the age in which they are considered. And today, the idea that your gun collection is a legitimate buffer against a modern-day government and military is frankly silly and contrived.
When everyone had the same, inaccurate, hard af to load, pea shooters and a few family and friends could put up a fight against a military regiment? Yeah, different story.
Look, Cuog: You and I both know it's the "well regulated militia" that provides the avenue of redress for keeping guns out of the hands of crazies, but the fucking libs keep making it about the guns & ammo, instead of the sanity of the fucking people who shoot them.
So, why doesn't anyone listen to me and appropriate my brilliance? Because the fucking authoritarian, big government libs don't understand shit about guns or gun culture, and they hate the 2nd amendment with a passion.
TB,
It's got nothing to do with the "well regulated militia". Check out the Supreme's.
Blood's on the hands of the NRA and their bought lapdog politicians. No way to spin this, though I'm sure many here will try.
Ridiculous. So the builders of the trucks used to run people over were responsible? Anyone stabbed is the fault of the knife maker? Pry bars are therefore responsible for burglaries and spoons and forks for obesity? Why is it that the person committing a crime is always responsible unless there's a shooting and then it's the implements fault. Stupid liberal logic.
FBI blew this completely. This was in addition to the online tip about being a professional school shooter.
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Exodus 22:1-31 ASV
As for the male and female slaves whom you may have, it is from the nations around you that you may acquire male and female slaves. 45 You may also acquire them from among the aliens residing with you, and from their families that are with you, who have been born in your land; and they may be your property. 46 You may keep them as a possession for your children after you, for them to inherit as property. These you may treat as slaves, but as for your fellow Israelites, no one shall rule over the other with harshness.
Leviticus 25:44-46 New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)
Edit: This isn't to say that laws couldn't or shouldn't be enacted, but it would seem reasonable if they were more directed. You could require registration of detachable magazine semi-auto rifles or semi-auto detachable magazine guns.
I believe it was Earl Warren who opined the 2nd Amendment was primarily a "militia amendment" that prescribed WHO gets to have the guns, which could mean anybody except for the crazies and soft-brains like Hondo and Cirrho, whom would accidentally shoot themselves within seconds.
Bye-bye, half these boreds.
It's got nothing to do with the "well regulated militia". Check out the Supreme's.
http://www.businessinsider.com/justice-scalia-opinion-in-heller-2016-2
https://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/21714
But losing a delicious watermelon is a tragedy.
The Throbber lives by Mathew 7:5.
So fuck me, then fuck you.
While you're at it, just fuck everyone.
FBI blew this completely. This was in addition to the online tip about being a professional school shooter.
http://insider.foxnews.com/2018/02/16/fbi-mishandled-tip-about-florida-school-shooter-nikolas-cruz-former-agent-reacts