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So by that logic we are only allowed free speech if you speak it or print it on a one page at a time printing press. Computers the internet, telephones etc. are all not eligible for protection under the 1st amendment.YellowSnow said:
Meanwhile...what the Founders had in mine when they wrote the damn thing.Sledog said:
To you everything is an assault weapon. Take a peek a a guy I know named Jerry. Competed with him many times. This is what someone can do with a 6 shot revolver. Is this now an assault weapon? The Boobs of the world would call it one.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
Modify the second amendment to ban assault rifles.RaceBannon said:
Everyone's?TierbsHsotBoobs said:
The best way to stop it before it happens is to take away the guns.salemcoog said:
No The answer is to stop it before it happens. You can't rely on someone off site to stop it once it starts. Almost all of these little fucks have laid a trail of bread crumbs as to what they are going to do, but no one steps up and turns them in.Sledog said:
I think that's well known. The idea is to stop them immediately. Waiting for help to arrive means more time for the killer to carry out his crime. Average response time in most larger cities to a high priority call is 8 minutes. Rural areas can be 20 minutes to and hour.UWhuskytskeet said:
Yes if there is one thing that mass shooters that usually commit suicide are scared of, it's dying.TurdBuffer said:I'd feel safer if a few teachers on campus were knowingly armed, or had access to guns in strategically located gun safes within the school. Radical? Who GAF. Cowards like this crazy little fucker thrive when they know there won't be anyone shooting back at them. Let it be known that some teachers are well-trained and armed, and most of these shootings don't happen.
No one has done this expecting to get away.
How?
This will never happen of course, because we have chosen to make gun fanatics more important than children.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLk1v5bSFPw
Your vehicle doesn't require a search warrant nor your computer or phone. We could go on but you get the idea.
They knew exactly what they were doing having just overthrown a tyrannical monarchy. -
Which of these would have stopped the shooting? None of them.Mosster47 said:There is no solution that fits today, but there is a real simple way to shape the future.
You make a permanent Brady Bill. No long rifle magazine larger than 5 rounds, rimfires 10 rounds, and handguns 10 rounds. You do a one time government buy back for magazines larger than that. Of course that won't get rid of more than 25% of the current ones in circulation but it's a start.
Second you have to obtain a license to buy a firearm and you have to get it renewed every 5 to 7 years like a drivers license. If a doctor thinks you are too dangerous to society to own a gun you lose your gun buying privileges until they thing you are good again, just like driving. Your guns aren't ever taken away. You just can't buy any if you lose your license.
Stable, law abiding citizens can still own a zillion guns and use them as tools like they are intended.
Easy peasy. Won't ever fucking happen. -
Not all technological advancements are equal in their lethality.Sledog said:
So by that logic we are only allowed free speech if you speak it or print it on a one page at a time printing press. Computers the internet, telephones etc. are all not eligible for protection under the 1st amendment.YellowSnow said:
Meanwhile...what the Founders had in mine when they wrote the damn thing.Sledog said:
To you everything is an assault weapon. Take a peek a a guy I know named Jerry. Competed with him many times. This is what someone can do with a 6 shot revolver. Is this now an assault weapon? The Boobs of the world would call it one.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
Modify the second amendment to ban assault rifles.RaceBannon said:
Everyone's?TierbsHsotBoobs said:
The best way to stop it before it happens is to take away the guns.salemcoog said:
No The answer is to stop it before it happens. You can't rely on someone off site to stop it once it starts. Almost all of these little fucks have laid a trail of bread crumbs as to what they are going to do, but no one steps up and turns them in.Sledog said:
I think that's well known. The idea is to stop them immediately. Waiting for help to arrive means more time for the killer to carry out his crime. Average response time in most larger cities to a high priority call is 8 minutes. Rural areas can be 20 minutes to and hour.UWhuskytskeet said:
Yes if there is one thing that mass shooters that usually commit suicide are scared of, it's dying.TurdBuffer said:I'd feel safer if a few teachers on campus were knowingly armed, or had access to guns in strategically located gun safes within the school. Radical? Who GAF. Cowards like this crazy little fucker thrive when they know there won't be anyone shooting back at them. Let it be known that some teachers are well-trained and armed, and most of these shootings don't happen.
No one has done this expecting to get away.
How?
This will never happen of course, because we have chosen to make gun fanatics more important than children.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLk1v5bSFPw
Your vehicle doesn't require a search warrant nor your computer or phone. We could go on but you get the idea.
They knew exactly what they were doing having just overthrown a tyrannical monarchy. -
It's not technology it's morality that's the problem.YellowSnow said:
Not all technological advancements are equal in their lethality.Sledog said:
So by that logic we are only allowed free speech if you speak it or print it on a one page at a time printing press. Computers the internet, telephones etc. are all not eligible for protection under the 1st amendment.YellowSnow said:
Meanwhile...what the Founders had in mine when they wrote the damn thing.Sledog said:
To you everything is an assault weapon. Take a peek a a guy I know named Jerry. Competed with him many times. This is what someone can do with a 6 shot revolver. Is this now an assault weapon? The Boobs of the world would call it one.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
Modify the second amendment to ban assault rifles.RaceBannon said:
Everyone's?TierbsHsotBoobs said:
The best way to stop it before it happens is to take away the guns.salemcoog said:
No The answer is to stop it before it happens. You can't rely on someone off site to stop it once it starts. Almost all of these little fucks have laid a trail of bread crumbs as to what they are going to do, but no one steps up and turns them in.Sledog said:
I think that's well known. The idea is to stop them immediately. Waiting for help to arrive means more time for the killer to carry out his crime. Average response time in most larger cities to a high priority call is 8 minutes. Rural areas can be 20 minutes to and hour.UWhuskytskeet said:
Yes if there is one thing that mass shooters that usually commit suicide are scared of, it's dying.TurdBuffer said:I'd feel safer if a few teachers on campus were knowingly armed, or had access to guns in strategically located gun safes within the school. Radical? Who GAF. Cowards like this crazy little fucker thrive when they know there won't be anyone shooting back at them. Let it be known that some teachers are well-trained and armed, and most of these shootings don't happen.
No one has done this expecting to get away.
How?
This will never happen of course, because we have chosen to make gun fanatics more important than children.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLk1v5bSFPw
Your vehicle doesn't require a search warrant nor your computer or phone. We could go on but you get the idea.
They knew exactly what they were doing having just overthrown a tyrannical monarchy.
No one calling for a ban on large trucks today though. Deadly hunks of unbelievable power.
Gasoline too. A couple Molotov cocktail couple kill hundreds.
If we ban everything humans can kill with we'll all be in wheelchairs and limbless. -
Jesus why didn't you just say that earlier? I posted like 6 times for no fucking reason.Sledog said:
They are for defense against a tyrannical government. The right to arms and self defense is an inalienable right that existed prior to the constitution and is considered God given. You can't revoke it. Ever.WilburHooksHands said:
I think the mental health crisis is about societal conditions, and probably largely driven by media as some have said. That is an extremely complex problem that cannot be solved quickly.pawz said:
That's fair. How do you plan to solve the mental health crisis in America? More drugs clearly isn't working.WilburHooksHands said:
Personally, I think trying to solve the root problem is better than accepting guns in schools and teachers trained as shooters as pragmatic.pawz said:
Pragmatic is the word you're looking for.WilburHooksHands said:
This is your ideal society?TurdBuffer said:I'd feel safer if a few teachers on campus were knowingly armed, or had access to guns in strategically located gun safes within the school. Radical? Who GAF. Cowards like this crazy little fucker thrive when they know there won't be anyone shooting back at them. Let it be known that some teachers are well-trained and armed, and most of these shootings don't happen.
In the interim, we need a pragmatic solution that will work. This solution is the pink elephant the left doesn't want to talk about.
But in the interim, in fact in the interim and beyond, I think a civilian ban on assault weapons/magazines is pragmatic. Standard capacity semi auto handguns and standard capacity recreational weapons can stick around with background checks and some level of pre-sale mandatory safety training. I don't think anyone will ever convince me that an assault weapon is practical and necessary outside of military or paramilitary use. -
Puppy has been slaying pussy with a wheelchair for years.Sledog said:
If we ban everything humans can kill with we'll all be in wheelchairs and limbless.YellowSnow said:
Not all technological advancements are equal in their lethality.Sledog said:
So by that logic we are only allowed free speech if you speak it or print it on a one page at a time printing press. Computers the internet, telephones etc. are all not eligible for protection under the 1st amendment.YellowSnow said:
Meanwhile...what the Founders had in mine when they wrote the damn thing.Sledog said:
To you everything is an assault weapon. Take a peek a a guy I know named Jerry. Competed with him many times. This is what someone can do with a 6 shot revolver. Is this now an assault weapon? The Boobs of the world would call it one.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
Modify the second amendment to ban assault rifles.RaceBannon said:
Everyone's?TierbsHsotBoobs said:
The best way to stop it before it happens is to take away the guns.salemcoog said:
No The answer is to stop it before it happens. You can't rely on someone off site to stop it once it starts. Almost all of these little fucks have laid a trail of bread crumbs as to what they are going to do, but no one steps up and turns them in.Sledog said:
I think that's well known. The idea is to stop them immediately. Waiting for help to arrive means more time for the killer to carry out his crime. Average response time in most larger cities to a high priority call is 8 minutes. Rural areas can be 20 minutes to and hour.UWhuskytskeet said:
Yes if there is one thing that mass shooters that usually commit suicide are scared of, it's dying.TurdBuffer said:I'd feel safer if a few teachers on campus were knowingly armed, or had access to guns in strategically located gun safes within the school. Radical? Who GAF. Cowards like this crazy little fucker thrive when they know there won't be anyone shooting back at them. Let it be known that some teachers are well-trained and armed, and most of these shootings don't happen.
No one has done this expecting to get away.
How?
This will never happen of course, because we have chosen to make gun fanatics more important than children.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLk1v5bSFPw
Your vehicle doesn't require a search warrant nor your computer or phone. We could go on but you get the idea.
They knew exactly what they were doing having just overthrown a tyrannical monarchy. -
The strict constructionists hate you now.Sledog said:
So by that logic we are only allowed free speech if you speak it or print it on a one page at a time printing press. Computers the internet, telephones etc. are all not eligible for protection under the 1st amendment.YellowSnow said:
Meanwhile...what the Founders had in mine when they wrote the damn thing.Sledog said:
To you everything is an assault weapon. Take a peek a a guy I know named Jerry. Competed with him many times. This is what someone can do with a 6 shot revolver. Is this now an assault weapon? The Boobs of the world would call it one.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
Modify the second amendment to ban assault rifles.RaceBannon said:
Everyone's?TierbsHsotBoobs said:
The best way to stop it before it happens is to take away the guns.salemcoog said:
No The answer is to stop it before it happens. You can't rely on someone off site to stop it once it starts. Almost all of these little fucks have laid a trail of bread crumbs as to what they are going to do, but no one steps up and turns them in.Sledog said:
I think that's well known. The idea is to stop them immediately. Waiting for help to arrive means more time for the killer to carry out his crime. Average response time in most larger cities to a high priority call is 8 minutes. Rural areas can be 20 minutes to and hour.UWhuskytskeet said:
Yes if there is one thing that mass shooters that usually commit suicide are scared of, it's dying.TurdBuffer said:I'd feel safer if a few teachers on campus were knowingly armed, or had access to guns in strategically located gun safes within the school. Radical? Who GAF. Cowards like this crazy little fucker thrive when they know there won't be anyone shooting back at them. Let it be known that some teachers are well-trained and armed, and most of these shootings don't happen.
No one has done this expecting to get away.
How?
This will never happen of course, because we have chosen to make gun fanatics more important than children.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLk1v5bSFPw
Your vehicle doesn't require a search warrant nor your computer or phone. We could go on but you get the idea.
They knew exactly what they were doing having just overthrown a tyrannical monarchy.
PS: that's kinda the point. Spending time thinking about what someone was thinking 200 years ago lost its appeal about 100 years ago. Principles to be applied in the age in which they are considered. And today, the idea that your gun collection is a legitimate buffer against a modern-day government and military is frankly silly and contrived.
When everyone had the same, inaccurate, hard af to load, pea shooters and a few family and friends could put up a fight against a military regiment? Yeah, different story.
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I guess you missed Wolverinescreepycoug said:
The strict constructionists hate you now.Sledog said:
So by that logic we are only allowed free speech if you speak it or print it on a one page at a time printing press. Computers the internet, telephones etc. are all not eligible for protection under the 1st amendment.YellowSnow said:
Meanwhile...what the Founders had in mine when they wrote the damn thing.Sledog said:
To you everything is an assault weapon. Take a peek a a guy I know named Jerry. Competed with him many times. This is what someone can do with a 6 shot revolver. Is this now an assault weapon? The Boobs of the world would call it one.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
Modify the second amendment to ban assault rifles.RaceBannon said:
Everyone's?TierbsHsotBoobs said:
The best way to stop it before it happens is to take away the guns.salemcoog said:
No The answer is to stop it before it happens. You can't rely on someone off site to stop it once it starts. Almost all of these little fucks have laid a trail of bread crumbs as to what they are going to do, but no one steps up and turns them in.Sledog said:
I think that's well known. The idea is to stop them immediately. Waiting for help to arrive means more time for the killer to carry out his crime. Average response time in most larger cities to a high priority call is 8 minutes. Rural areas can be 20 minutes to and hour.UWhuskytskeet said:
Yes if there is one thing that mass shooters that usually commit suicide are scared of, it's dying.TurdBuffer said:I'd feel safer if a few teachers on campus were knowingly armed, or had access to guns in strategically located gun safes within the school. Radical? Who GAF. Cowards like this crazy little fucker thrive when they know there won't be anyone shooting back at them. Let it be known that some teachers are well-trained and armed, and most of these shootings don't happen.
No one has done this expecting to get away.
How?
This will never happen of course, because we have chosen to make gun fanatics more important than children.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLk1v5bSFPw
Your vehicle doesn't require a search warrant nor your computer or phone. We could go on but you get the idea.
They knew exactly what they were doing having just overthrown a tyrannical monarchy.
PS: that's kinda the point. Spending time thinking about what someone was thinking 200 years ago lost its appeal about 100 years ago. Principles to be applied in the age in which they are considered. And today, the idea that your gun collection is a legitimate buffer against a modern-day government and military is frankly silly and contrived.
When everyone had the same, inaccurate, hard af to load, pea shooters and a few family and friends could put up a fight against a military regiment? Yeah, different story. -
That's what it is for. Since you don't think it's useful everyone should lose their rights. Got it.creepycoug said:
The strict constructionists hate you now.Sledog said:
So by that logic we are only allowed free speech if you speak it or print it on a one page at a time printing press. Computers the internet, telephones etc. are all not eligible for protection under the 1st amendment.YellowSnow said:
Meanwhile...what the Founders had in mine when they wrote the damn thing.Sledog said:
To you everything is an assault weapon. Take a peek a a guy I know named Jerry. Competed with him many times. This is what someone can do with a 6 shot revolver. Is this now an assault weapon? The Boobs of the world would call it one.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
Modify the second amendment to ban assault rifles.RaceBannon said:
Everyone's?TierbsHsotBoobs said:
The best way to stop it before it happens is to take away the guns.salemcoog said:
No The answer is to stop it before it happens. You can't rely on someone off site to stop it once it starts. Almost all of these little fucks have laid a trail of bread crumbs as to what they are going to do, but no one steps up and turns them in.Sledog said:
I think that's well known. The idea is to stop them immediately. Waiting for help to arrive means more time for the killer to carry out his crime. Average response time in most larger cities to a high priority call is 8 minutes. Rural areas can be 20 minutes to and hour.UWhuskytskeet said:
Yes if there is one thing that mass shooters that usually commit suicide are scared of, it's dying.TurdBuffer said:I'd feel safer if a few teachers on campus were knowingly armed, or had access to guns in strategically located gun safes within the school. Radical? Who GAF. Cowards like this crazy little fucker thrive when they know there won't be anyone shooting back at them. Let it be known that some teachers are well-trained and armed, and most of these shootings don't happen.
No one has done this expecting to get away.
How?
This will never happen of course, because we have chosen to make gun fanatics more important than children.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLk1v5bSFPw
Your vehicle doesn't require a search warrant nor your computer or phone. We could go on but you get the idea.
They knew exactly what they were doing having just overthrown a tyrannical monarchy.
PS: that's kinda the point. Spending time thinking about what someone was thinking 200 years ago lost its appeal about 100 years ago. Principles to be applied in the age in which they are considered. And today, the idea that your gun collection is a legitimate buffer against a modern-day government and military is frankly silly and contrived.
When everyone had the same, inaccurate, hard af to load, pea shooters and a few family and friends could put up a fight against a military regiment? Yeah, different story.
Odd the Japanese didn't think it silly in WWII.
"You cannot invade mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind each blade of grass."
Admiral Yamamoto.
FYI rapid fire kick ass guns existed a long time ago. Here is one from the early 1700's long before the revolution. They knew what deadly was . HTH
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puckle_gun -
Hey look - this shit is complicated.
Sledog, aas much as I want to light him on fire and use a stealroller to put him out with - isn't wrong. Our founders may very well have written the 2nd amendment as is, regardless of advances in technology - because it was written to allow people to oppose a tyrannical government. Of course they couldn't have predicted the feds would have nuclear warheads and Abrams tanks one day - their intent was to allow citizens to oppose the government. Without seeing school shootings, they may have been all down with the citizen owning ANY fucking weapon because that's what it would take to oppose a corrupt government.
I know this - no fucking citizen or group of citizens is going to take on the government at this point. We've gone way the fuck past that point. One platoon, let alone one carrier group, could put down ANY oppostion you could possibly imagine. At this point, citizens owning weapons that hold 30 rounds or have automatic fire capability are just using the 2nd amendment to enable mass killings. I say that as someone who has hunted and owned firearms since I was 12 years old, and still supports 2nd amendment rights and shooting and hunting as recreation.
If gun owners don't get on board with reasonable restrictions on firearm possession, then unreasonable restrictions are going to get rammed right down our fucking throats. Some of you may think that's OK to go down fighting - likely that's the faggots that don't own guns, they just idolize them - but I am never going to think it's OK to hand over my fucking guns because you fucking retards couldn't see the writing on the wall and put reasonable restrictions in place to minimize the odds of another mass shooting.
Get on board gun owners. The time is now. If we don't start supporting laws that keep guns out of the hands of kooks, then we're going to have even tougher restrictions foisted upon us by people that think no guns is the only answer. Is your dipshit buddy with the watermelon shooting AR-15 more important to you than your Ruger M77 .270 that you killed your first elk with? Well, you'd better decide - because it's coming to that.
This shit is fucking serious. It's not a time for the likes of salemcooger and his worthless commentary. If this continues, then even the NRA isn't going to be able to stem the rising tide of unrest over these mass shootings - especially those involving kids.
I'd be even more concerned had I not lost all my firearms in that unfortunate boating accident years ago.
Fuck all you assholes for making get all serious and shit. I don't like doing that, but I thought time called for it. One way or another, this shit can't keep going on. -
I support this post.RaceBannon said:
I like this postWilburHooksHands said:
Paramilitary use includes SWAT so technically that part of the police force would be fine. I don't think regular patrolmen need assault weapons, but I could be talked in to high capacity mags for their service weapons along with the pump shotty that most have in the back of the squad car. That should be plenty to suppress a shooter until SWAT gets there. I don't know why the BLM would need AR's, but if there was a case I would listen.pawz said:
So you support a ban of assault weapons from local police forces? including federal agencies like Bureau of Land Management?WilburHooksHands said:
I think the mental health crisis is about societal conditions, and probably largely driven by media as some have said. That is an extremely complex problem that cannot be solved quickly.pawz said:
That's fair. How do you plan to solve the mental health crisis in America? More drugs clearly isn't working.WilburHooksHands said:
Personally, I think trying to solve the root problem is better than accepting guns in schools and teachers trained as shooters as pragmatic.pawz said:
Pragmatic is the word you're looking for.WilburHooksHands said:
This is your ideal society?TurdBuffer said:I'd feel safer if a few teachers on campus were knowingly armed, or had access to guns in strategically located gun safes within the school. Radical? Who GAF. Cowards like this crazy little fucker thrive when they know there won't be anyone shooting back at them. Let it be known that some teachers are well-trained and armed, and most of these shootings don't happen.
In the interim, we need a pragmatic solution that will work. This solution is the pink elephant the left doesn't want to talk about.
But in the interim, in fact in the interim and beyond, I think a civilian ban on assault weapons/magazines is pragmatic. Standard capacity semi auto handguns and standard capacity recreational weapons can stick around with background checks and some level of pre-sale mandatory safety training. I don't think anyone will ever convince me that an assault weapon is practical and necessary outside of military or paramilitary use.
If so, I'm willing to trade.
If not, I'm going to cling to the 2nd Amendment with every fiber of my being.
The irony about police is that from a 2nd amendment, protecting yourself from tyranny standpoint, the militarization of local police forces is something citizens should be 100x more worried about than the federal government.
I think somewhere in this thread someone answered my question and said the kid got the gun legally.
I'm in favor of changing that law today
I don't think everything is a slippery slope. I think insane people probably should not have guns
#Courage
AR 15 or AK 47 type weapons should be very hard to obtain after vigorous vetting
To out law a gun we need to be specific. To just say "assault rifle" won't stand the test. List the guns you want to ban all together and go from there.
Guns are like most issues these days. They work better for fundraising than they do for getting a resolution.
Everybody does it
We're fucked
Go DAWGS -
Missed it? Red Dawn is only the greatest movie in the history of cinema.RaceBannon said:
I guess you missed Wolverinescreepycoug said:
The strict constructionists hate you now.Sledog said:
So by that logic we are only allowed free speech if you speak it or print it on a one page at a time printing press. Computers the internet, telephones etc. are all not eligible for protection under the 1st amendment.YellowSnow said:
Meanwhile...what the Founders had in mine when they wrote the damn thing.Sledog said:
To you everything is an assault weapon. Take a peek a a guy I know named Jerry. Competed with him many times. This is what someone can do with a 6 shot revolver. Is this now an assault weapon? The Boobs of the world would call it one.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
Modify the second amendment to ban assault rifles.RaceBannon said:
Everyone's?TierbsHsotBoobs said:
The best way to stop it before it happens is to take away the guns.salemcoog said:
No The answer is to stop it before it happens. You can't rely on someone off site to stop it once it starts. Almost all of these little fucks have laid a trail of bread crumbs as to what they are going to do, but no one steps up and turns them in.Sledog said:
I think that's well known. The idea is to stop them immediately. Waiting for help to arrive means more time for the killer to carry out his crime. Average response time in most larger cities to a high priority call is 8 minutes. Rural areas can be 20 minutes to and hour.UWhuskytskeet said:
Yes if there is one thing that mass shooters that usually commit suicide are scared of, it's dying.TurdBuffer said:I'd feel safer if a few teachers on campus were knowingly armed, or had access to guns in strategically located gun safes within the school. Radical? Who GAF. Cowards like this crazy little fucker thrive when they know there won't be anyone shooting back at them. Let it be known that some teachers are well-trained and armed, and most of these shootings don't happen.
No one has done this expecting to get away.
How?
This will never happen of course, because we have chosen to make gun fanatics more important than children.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLk1v5bSFPw
Your vehicle doesn't require a search warrant nor your computer or phone. We could go on but you get the idea.
They knew exactly what they were doing having just overthrown a tyrannical monarchy.
PS: that's kinda the point. Spending time thinking about what someone was thinking 200 years ago lost its appeal about 100 years ago. Principles to be applied in the age in which they are considered. And today, the idea that your gun collection is a legitimate buffer against a modern-day government and military is frankly silly and contrived.
When everyone had the same, inaccurate, hard af to load, pea shooters and a few family and friends could put up a fight against a military regiment? Yeah, different story. -
probably the most important point raised, especially for the gun crowd.dflea said:Hey look - this shit is complicated.
Sledog, aas much as I want to light him on fire and use a stealroller to put him out with - isn't wrong. Our founders may very well have written the 2nd amendment as is, regardless of advances in technology - because it was written to allow people to oppose a tyrannical government. Of course they couldn't have predicted the feds would have nuclear warheads and Abrams tanks one day - their intent was to allow citizens to oppose the government. Without seeing school shootings, they may have been all down with the citizen owning ANY fucking weapon because that's what it would take to oppose a corrupt government.
I know this - no fucking citizen or group of citizens is going to take on the government at this point. We've gone way the fuck past that point. One platoon, let alone one carrier group, could put down ANY oppostion you could possibly imagine. At this point, citizens owning weapons that hold 30 rounds or have automatic fire capability are just using the 2nd amendment to enable mass killings. I say that as someone who has hunted and owned firearms since I was 12 years old, and still supports 2nd amendment rights and shooting and hunting as recreation.
If gun owners don't get on board with reasonable restrictions on firearm possession, then unreasonable restrictions are going to get rammed right down our fucking throats. Some of you may think that's OK to go down fighting - likely that's the faggots that don't own guns, they just idolize them - but I am never going to think it's OK to hand over my fucking guns because you fucking retards couldn't see the writing on the wall and put reasonable restrictions in place to minimize the odds of another mass shooting.
Get on board gun owners. The time is now. If we don't start supporting laws that keep guns out of the hands of kooks, then we're going to have even tougher restrictions foisted upon us by people that think no guns is the only answer. Is your dipshit buddy with the watermelon shooting AR-15 more important to you than your Ruger M77 .270 that you killed your first elk with? Well, you'd better decide - because it's coming to that.
This shit is fucking serious. It's not a time for the likes of salemcooger and his worthless commentary. If this continues, then even the NRA isn't going to be able to stem the rising tide of unrest over these mass shootings - especially those involving kids.
I'd be even more concerned had I not lost all my firearms in that unfortunate boating accident years ago.
Fuck all you assholes for making get all serious and shit. I don't like doing that, but I thought time called for it. One way or another, this shit can't keep going on.
From what I read tonight, we're talking about an adopted Autistic kid on SSRIs who lost his mom to the fucking flu a year ago and his dad to something else before that. A kid with a long record of problems at school. THAT kid was able to buy a semi auto for a few hundy, LEGALLY, in less than an hour's time.
And we're here salemkewging ourselves through a 2nd amendment debate and musing about the good old days when bullying was ok.
Jeebus. Where's Ms. Vashon? Someone should tell her there's a retard party up in here. -
Semi and full auto firearms have been around for well over a hundred years. Prior to 1932 you could walk in to your local gun shop or hardware store and buy a Thompson sub machine gun or a Browning BAR.
My point is guns haven't really changed at all but somehow we have. Kids used to take their guns to school in rural areas so they could hunt to and from school and were usually racked in the school office. We didn't have school shootings. What's different? The way children are raised? Massive use of prescription psychotropic drugs? Kids on Ritalin? The thought of being remembered for their act?
I don't know. There are more than 8 million AR 15's out there and millions more of the many other various semi autos. The government doesn't know where they are. You can not go get them unless someone is willing to search every home in the entire country and that won't work either. You can't outlaw what you can't control or find. Mexico cops just recovered a big stash of AK's, ammo, grenades and claymore mines near our border. Hundreds of thousands of people sneak in to our country every year. So those that say "legalize drugs we can't stop them" think this stupid horse shit will work.
It's a people problem not a gun problem.
I typed this long ass post on my phone so don't bitch! -
Two things immediately come to mind:Sledog said:Semi and full auto firearms have been around for well over a hundred years. Prior to 1932 you could walk in to your local gun shop or hardware store and buy a Thompson sub machine gun or a Browning BAR.
My point is guns haven't really changed at all but somehow we have. Kids used to take their guns to school in rural areas so they could hunt to and from school and were usually racked in the school office. We didn't have school shootings. What's different? The way children are raised? Massive use of prescription psychotropic drugs? Kids on Ritalin? The thought of being remembered for their act?
I don't know. There are more than 8 million AR 15's out there and millions more of the many other various semi autos. The government doesn't know where they are. You can not go get them unless someone is willing to search every home in the entire country and that won't work either. You can't outlaw what you can't control or find. Mexico cops just recovered a big stash of AK's, ammo, grenades and claymore mines near our border. Hundreds of thousands of people sneak in to our country every year. So those that say "legalize drugs we can't stop them" think this stupid horse shit will work.
It's a people problem not a gun problem.
I typed this long ass post on my phone so don't bitch!
Kids stare endlessly into screens. Studies are already showing the brain synapses are wiring themselves different than in the past. Let alone socialization and coping skills that *real* human interaction provide.
Second - the massive amounts of prescription drugs being given to kids has to be affecting their brain development. Just has to. That Ritalin shit has addictive capabilities and lord knows the long term affect on the brain. Coupled with massive screen time, I have to think this is a cocktail for disaster. -
Fucking traitor.creepycoug said:
Missed it? Red Dawn is only the greatest movie in the history of cinema.RaceBannon said:
I guess you missed Wolverinescreepycoug said:
The strict constructionists hate you now.Sledog said:
So by that logic we are only allowed free speech if you speak it or print it on a one page at a time printing press. Computers the internet, telephones etc. are all not eligible for protection under the 1st amendment.YellowSnow said:
Meanwhile...what the Founders had in mine when they wrote the damn thing.Sledog said:
To you everything is an assault weapon. Take a peek a a guy I know named Jerry. Competed with him many times. This is what someone can do with a 6 shot revolver. Is this now an assault weapon? The Boobs of the world would call it one.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
Modify the second amendment to ban assault rifles.RaceBannon said:
Everyone's?TierbsHsotBoobs said:
The best way to stop it before it happens is to take away the guns.salemcoog said:
No The answer is to stop it before it happens. You can't rely on someone off site to stop it once it starts. Almost all of these little fucks have laid a trail of bread crumbs as to what they are going to do, but no one steps up and turns them in.Sledog said:
I think that's well known. The idea is to stop them immediately. Waiting for help to arrive means more time for the killer to carry out his crime. Average response time in most larger cities to a high priority call is 8 minutes. Rural areas can be 20 minutes to and hour.UWhuskytskeet said:
Yes if there is one thing that mass shooters that usually commit suicide are scared of, it's dying.TurdBuffer said:I'd feel safer if a few teachers on campus were knowingly armed, or had access to guns in strategically located gun safes within the school. Radical? Who GAF. Cowards like this crazy little fucker thrive when they know there won't be anyone shooting back at them. Let it be known that some teachers are well-trained and armed, and most of these shootings don't happen.
No one has done this expecting to get away.
How?
This will never happen of course, because we have chosen to make gun fanatics more important than children.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLk1v5bSFPw
Your vehicle doesn't require a search warrant nor your computer or phone. We could go on but you get the idea.
They knew exactly what they were doing having just overthrown a tyrannical monarchy.
PS: that's kinda the point. Spending time thinking about what someone was thinking 200 years ago lost its appeal about 100 years ago. Principles to be applied in the age in which they are considered. And today, the idea that your gun collection is a legitimate buffer against a modern-day government and military is frankly silly and contrived.
When everyone had the same, inaccurate, hard af to load, pea shooters and a few family and friends could put up a fight against a military regiment? Yeah, different story. -
Are you reading the Quran or some shit? Cause that's not in the Bible I read.Sledog said:
They are for defense against a tyrannical government. The right to arms and self defense is an inalienable right that existed prior to the constitution and is considered God given. You can't revoke it. Ever.WilburHooksHands said:
I think the mental health crisis is about societal conditions, and probably largely driven by media as some have said. That is an extremely complex problem that cannot be solved quickly.pawz said:
That's fair. How do you plan to solve the mental health crisis in America? More drugs clearly isn't working.WilburHooksHands said:
Personally, I think trying to solve the root problem is better than accepting guns in schools and teachers trained as shooters as pragmatic.pawz said:
Pragmatic is the word you're looking for.WilburHooksHands said:
This is your ideal society?TurdBuffer said:I'd feel safer if a few teachers on campus were knowingly armed, or had access to guns in strategically located gun safes within the school. Radical? Who GAF. Cowards like this crazy little fucker thrive when they know there won't be anyone shooting back at them. Let it be known that some teachers are well-trained and armed, and most of these shootings don't happen.
In the interim, we need a pragmatic solution that will work. This solution is the pink elephant the left doesn't want to talk about.
But in the interim, in fact in the interim and beyond, I think a civilian ban on assault weapons/magazines is pragmatic. Standard capacity semi auto handguns and standard capacity recreational weapons can stick around with background checks and some level of pre-sale mandatory safety training. I don't think anyone will ever convince me that an assault weapon is practical and necessary outside of military or paramilitary use. -
Wut? That's right, contrary to what I watch on the history channel, they did have fully automatic weapons in the 1700s when the Constitution was written. And tanks and attack helicopters.Sledog said:Semi and full auto firearms have been around for well over a hundred years. Prior to 1932 you could walk in to your local gun shop or hardware store and buy a Thompson sub machine gun or a Browning BAR.
My point is guns haven't really changed at all but somehow we have. Kids used to take their guns to school in rural areas so they could hunt to and from school and were usually racked in the school office. We didn't have school shootings. What's different? The way children are raised? Massive use of prescription psychotropic drugs? Kids on Ritalin? The thought of being remembered for their act?
I don't know. There are more than 8 million AR 15's out there and millions more of the many other various semi autos. The government doesn't know where they are. You can not go get them unless someone is willing to search every home in the entire country and that won't work either. You can't outlaw what you can't control or find. Mexico cops just recovered a big stash of AK's, ammo, grenades and claymore mines near our border. Hundreds of thousands of people sneak in to our country every year. So those that say "legalize drugs we can't stop them" think this stupid horse shit will work.
It's a people problem not a gun problem.
I typed this long ass post on my phone so don't bitch! -
I'm not so much arguing as questioning the relevance of those stats in light of the nature of these attacks. One person with a semi-auto is one hell of a lot more dangerous and violent than some French Connection era mother fuckers armed with a cheap Saturday Night Specials. I see that "but crime is actually down" stat a lot, which I think is employed as a distraction, much like - dare I say it - when someone starts lobbing Chicago's black-on-black murder rate into a discussion of police shootings of black people. In that case, both sides hyperbolize the fuck out of things, and the facts get overshadowed by rhetoric.dflea said:
I didn't say it did. Race said we're more violent today. Crime statistics say otherwise. It's just that school shootings are a kind of violence we didn't see before.TurdBuffer said:
And what does it matter to the parents of 17 dead kids in Florida?dflea said:
Or it could be that violent crime is down.TurdBuffer said:
I'm sure there are cherry picked statistics that say that, compared to 1975 or something. But that's the shit politicians love to say to paper over the fact that some asshole just killed a bunch of innocent kids, as though those killings represent a statistical improvement since the old, more violent days. So, all you people who didn't get shot can relax, because you're actually quite safe. Statistically.dflea said:
Aren't violent crime rates down these days?RaceBannon said:
But if we? were serious it has to be both. Content control too. A lot of things we aren't willing to give up. Its far easier to offer ts and ps or rail about gun control. Neither of which does muchdflea said:
Not really a fan of people control any more than I'm a fan of gun control.PurpleThrobber said:
THIS is the issue. We bitch and moan about gun control - but, honestly, how many of these fucks have serious mental issues that we(?) have been shamed into pitying and handling with kid gloves?LebamDawg said:don't see how something like this can happen in a drug free and gun free zone. the kid probly didn't take his anti-depressants or he took too many...
Some of these fucks needs lobotomized or institutionalized. I don't have the answer for who decides or how that happens - but extracting these poor tormented souls from the general populace certainly would decrease this kind of shit from happening.
It's not like one would be any easier or constitutionally sound than the other, either.
If you go back to before mass consumption of media we were a far less violent country.
Or you? Or me?
Are you going to need to argue about that now?
In these specific mass-shooting cases, I think we need to start expecting them, training for them, and - maybe I'm all alone in this - training school teachers and administrators how to shoot and authorizing a number of them to have access to gun safes inside schools. Pre-School and Soccer moms are coming for my head this very second. But the fact is that everyone is helpless for too many minutes until police arrive, and they usually don't reach an active shooter for several minutes even after their arrival.
I have one kid still in HS, and they get their share of gun threats and security lockdowns at his school. Would I feel more protected against a mass shooting if a couple service veterans in the building had access to weapons hidden in a gun safe somewhere in or near their classrooms? Absolutely. No two ways about it. Otherwise, they're all sitting ducks. All of them. Completely defenseless. -
I like the way you think. (Faggy WinkAlexis said:I read that the school has 3000 students. Add to that, what, 100 teachers or so, and some more staff members. That is basically the size of a small town like Algona. (Southend bitches!) Why the fuck would anyone think that a small towns worth of people, all of whom are at the most fucked up age imaginable, would be able to police themselves? Especially adding in the fact that the grown ups in this equation have absolutely no ability or authorization to discipline the kids anymore.
Why the fuck aren't there 3 cops employed at this school, or at least 2 and 2 security guards. And if cost is an issue, then fire one of the 3 vice principals, or teach him to be a security guard.
) -
So, you're what my dad called "a Punter."Doogles said:Never owned/shot a gun because I am nothing more than a cowardly pussy, but I really don't think their legality is nearly as big a problem as the technological/media upbringing of the current and future generations.
I'm not going to pretend to be the psychoanalytic master of all, and if my post history means anything i'm probably one of the more mentally unstable poasters on the board, but we created this monster and glorified it in the process.
For a dude on the edge, it's the cool thing to do. I don't know what the solution is. -
Look, Cuog: You and I both know it's the "well regulated militia" that provides the avenue of redress for keeping guns out of the hands of crazies, but the fucking libs keep making it about the guns & ammo, instead of the sanity of the fucking people who shoot them.creepycoug said:
The strict constructionists hate you now.Sledog said:
So by that logic we are only allowed free speech if you speak it or print it on a one page at a time printing press. Computers the internet, telephones etc. are all not eligible for protection under the 1st amendment.YellowSnow said:
Meanwhile...what the Founders had in mine when they wrote the damn thing.Sledog said:
To you everything is an assault weapon. Take a peek a a guy I know named Jerry. Competed with him many times. This is what someone can do with a 6 shot revolver. Is this now an assault weapon? The Boobs of the world would call it one.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
Modify the second amendment to ban assault rifles.RaceBannon said:
Everyone's?TierbsHsotBoobs said:
The best way to stop it before it happens is to take away the guns.salemcoog said:
No The answer is to stop it before it happens. You can't rely on someone off site to stop it once it starts. Almost all of these little fucks have laid a trail of bread crumbs as to what they are going to do, but no one steps up and turns them in.Sledog said:
I think that's well known. The idea is to stop them immediately. Waiting for help to arrive means more time for the killer to carry out his crime. Average response time in most larger cities to a high priority call is 8 minutes. Rural areas can be 20 minutes to and hour.UWhuskytskeet said:
Yes if there is one thing that mass shooters that usually commit suicide are scared of, it's dying.TurdBuffer said:I'd feel safer if a few teachers on campus were knowingly armed, or had access to guns in strategically located gun safes within the school. Radical? Who GAF. Cowards like this crazy little fucker thrive when they know there won't be anyone shooting back at them. Let it be known that some teachers are well-trained and armed, and most of these shootings don't happen.
No one has done this expecting to get away.
How?
This will never happen of course, because we have chosen to make gun fanatics more important than children.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLk1v5bSFPw
Your vehicle doesn't require a search warrant nor your computer or phone. We could go on but you get the idea.
They knew exactly what they were doing having just overthrown a tyrannical monarchy.
PS: that's kinda the point. Spending time thinking about what someone was thinking 200 years ago lost its appeal about 100 years ago. Principles to be applied in the age in which they are considered. And today, the idea that your gun collection is a legitimate buffer against a modern-day government and military is frankly silly and contrived.
When everyone had the same, inaccurate, hard af to load, pea shooters and a few family and friends could put up a fight against a military regiment? Yeah, different story.
So, why doesn't anyone listen to me and appropriate my brilliance? Because the fucking authoritarian, big government libs don't understand shit about guns or gun culture, and they hate the 2nd amendment with a passion. -
Way to miss the first fucking sentence. You're retarded. This isn't hard.Sledog said:
Which of these would have stopped the shooting? None of them.Mosster47 said:There is no solution that fits today, but there is a real simple way to shape the future.
You make a permanent Brady Bill. No long rifle magazine larger than 5 rounds, rimfires 10 rounds, and handguns 10 rounds. You do a one time government buy back for magazines larger than that. Of course that won't get rid of more than 25% of the current ones in circulation but it's a start.
Second you have to obtain a license to buy a firearm and you have to get it renewed every 5 to 7 years like a drivers license. If a doctor thinks you are too dangerous to society to own a gun you lose your gun buying privileges until they thing you are good again, just like driving. Your guns aren't ever taken away. You just can't buy any if you lose your license.
Stable, law abiding citizens can still own a zillion guns and use them as tools like they are intended.
Easy peasy. Won't ever fucking happen. -
You better read what the founders had to say as it seems your history teachers sucked ass.2001400ex said:
Wut? That's right, contrary to what I watch on the history channel, they did have fully automatic weapons in the 1700s when the Constitution was written. And tanks and attack helicopters.Sledog said:Semi and full auto firearms have been around for well over a hundred years. Prior to 1932 you could walk in to your local gun shop or hardware store and buy a Thompson sub machine gun or a Browning BAR.
My point is guns haven't really changed at all but somehow we have. Kids used to take their guns to school in rural areas so they could hunt to and from school and were usually racked in the school office. We didn't have school shootings. What's different? The way children are raised? Massive use of prescription psychotropic drugs? Kids on Ritalin? The thought of being remembered for their act?
I don't know. There are more than 8 million AR 15's out there and millions more of the many other various semi autos. The government doesn't know where they are. You can not go get them unless someone is willing to search every home in the entire country and that won't work either. You can't outlaw what you can't control or find. Mexico cops just recovered a big stash of AK's, ammo, grenades and claymore mines near our border. Hundreds of thousands of people sneak in to our country every year. So those that say "legalize drugs we can't stop them" think this stupid horse shit will work.
It's a people problem not a gun problem.
I typed this long ass post on my phone so don't bitch!
Why is this a new, last 20 years or so, problem Hondo? Just an FYI the AR15 has been around for over 50 years.
The implement isn't the problem. As I have pointed out you're not screaming to outlaw large trucks. Evil and crazy exist and the only way to stop evil crazy people when they do either of these, or a number of other acts, is to shoot them. HTH -
I'm not screaming to outlaw guns either dumbfuck.Sledog said:
You better read what the founders had to say as it seems your history teachers sucked ass.2001400ex said:
Wut? That's right, contrary to what I watch on the history channel, they did have fully automatic weapons in the 1700s when the Constitution was written. And tanks and attack helicopters.Sledog said:Semi and full auto firearms have been around for well over a hundred years. Prior to 1932 you could walk in to your local gun shop or hardware store and buy a Thompson sub machine gun or a Browning BAR.
My point is guns haven't really changed at all but somehow we have. Kids used to take their guns to school in rural areas so they could hunt to and from school and were usually racked in the school office. We didn't have school shootings. What's different? The way children are raised? Massive use of prescription psychotropic drugs? Kids on Ritalin? The thought of being remembered for their act?
I don't know. There are more than 8 million AR 15's out there and millions more of the many other various semi autos. The government doesn't know where they are. You can not go get them unless someone is willing to search every home in the entire country and that won't work either. You can't outlaw what you can't control or find. Mexico cops just recovered a big stash of AK's, ammo, grenades and claymore mines near our border. Hundreds of thousands of people sneak in to our country every year. So those that say "legalize drugs we can't stop them" think this stupid horse shit will work.
It's a people problem not a gun problem.
I typed this long ass post on my phone so don't bitch!
Why is this a new, last 20 years or so, problem Hondo? Just an FYI the AR15 has been around for over 50 years.
The implement isn't the problem. As I have pointed out you're not screaming to outlaw large trucks. Evil and crazy exist and the only way to stop evil crazy people when they do either of these, or a number of other acts, is to shoot them. HTH -
Wanna Cyber?TurdBuffer said:
I like the way you think. (Faggy WinkAlexis said:I read that the school has 3000 students. Add to that, what, 100 teachers or so, and some more staff members. That is basically the size of a small town like Algona. (Southend bitches!) Why the fuck would anyone think that a small towns worth of people, all of whom are at the most fucked up age imaginable, would be able to police themselves? Especially adding in the fact that the grown ups in this equation have absolutely no ability or authorization to discipline the kids anymore.
Why the fuck aren't there 3 cops employed at this school, or at least 2 and 2 security guards. And if cost is an issue, then fire one of the 3 vice principals, or teach him to be a security guard.) -
You always are. That's like saying you aren't in the tank for Hillary.2001400ex said:
I'm not screaming to outlaw guns either dumbfuck.Sledog said:
You better read what the founders had to say as it seems your history teachers sucked ass.2001400ex said:
Wut? That's right, contrary to what I watch on the history channel, they did have fully automatic weapons in the 1700s when the Constitution was written. And tanks and attack helicopters.Sledog said:Semi and full auto firearms have been around for well over a hundred years. Prior to 1932 you could walk in to your local gun shop or hardware store and buy a Thompson sub machine gun or a Browning BAR.
My point is guns haven't really changed at all but somehow we have. Kids used to take their guns to school in rural areas so they could hunt to and from school and were usually racked in the school office. We didn't have school shootings. What's different? The way children are raised? Massive use of prescription psychotropic drugs? Kids on Ritalin? The thought of being remembered for their act?
I don't know. There are more than 8 million AR 15's out there and millions more of the many other various semi autos. The government doesn't know where they are. You can not go get them unless someone is willing to search every home in the entire country and that won't work either. You can't outlaw what you can't control or find. Mexico cops just recovered a big stash of AK's, ammo, grenades and claymore mines near our border. Hundreds of thousands of people sneak in to our country every year. So those that say "legalize drugs we can't stop them" think this stupid horse shit will work.
It's a people problem not a gun problem.
I typed this long ass post on my phone so don't bitch!
Why is this a new, last 20 years or so, problem Hondo? Just an FYI the AR15 has been around for over 50 years.
The implement isn't the problem. As I have pointed out you're not screaming to outlaw large trucks. Evil and crazy exist and the only way to stop evil crazy people when they do either of these, or a number of other acts, is to shoot them. HTH -
Hondo Shrillz for Hillz.
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Won't help.Sledog said:
Move to fucking Australia!TierbsHsotBoobs said:
Do what Australia didRaceBannon said:
Please explainTierbsHsotBoobs said:
The solution is to do what they did.RaceBannon said:
Dodge and weaveTierbsHsotBoobs said:
No other major Western nation has this school shooting epidemic.RaceBannon said:
Assuming we can define that those guns are already illegal. That's why those kids burned in WacoTierbsHsotBoobs said:
Modify the second amendment to ban assault rifles.RaceBannon said:
Everyone's?TierbsHsotBoobs said:
The best way to stop it before it happens is to take away the guns.salemcoog said:
No The answer is to stop it before it happens. You can't rely on someone off site to stop it once it starts. Almost all of these little fucks have laid a trail of bread crumbs as to what they are going to do, but no one steps up and turns them in.Sledog said:
I think that's well known. The idea is to stop them immediately. Waiting for help to arrive means more time for the killer to carry out his crime. Average response time in most larger cities to a high priority call is 8 minutes. Rural areas can be 20 minutes to and hour.UWhuskytskeet said:
Yes if there is one thing that mass shooters that usually commit suicide are scared of, it's dying.TurdBuffer said:I'd feel safer if a few teachers on campus were knowingly armed, or had access to guns in strategically located gun safes within the school. Radical? Who GAF. Cowards like this crazy little fucker thrive when they know there won't be anyone shooting back at them. Let it be known that some teachers are well-trained and armed, and most of these shootings don't happen.
No one has done this expecting to get away.
How?
This will never happen of course, because we have chosen to make gun fanatics more important than children.
Making a product illegal only makes it more valuable
Never owned a gun. If that works do it but it won't
Do we know if this nut had a legal gun?
I wonder why.
Talking points are more important than a solution
HTH
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-australia-35048251
They have internet in Australia now too. -
So a Thompson Sub Machine cost about $200 in 1920 which in 2018 USD is about $2,600. What's an AR run these days? $600 - $900 sound about right? Nobody but gangsters or the military could afford them back then so they never became widespread amongst the civilian population.Sledog said:Semi and full auto firearms have been around for well over a hundred years. Prior to 1932 you could walk in to your local gun shop or hardware store and buy a Thompson sub machine gun or a Browning BAR.
My point is guns haven't really changed at all but somehow we have. Kids used to take their guns to school in rural areas so they could hunt to and from school and were usually racked in the school office. We didn't have school shootings. What's different? The way children are raised? Massive use of prescription psychotropic drugs? Kids on Ritalin? The thought of being remembered for their act?
I don't know. There are more than 8 million AR 15's out there and millions more of the many other various semi autos. The government doesn't know where they are. You can not go get them unless someone is willing to search every home in the entire country and that won't work either. You can't outlaw what you can't control or find. Mexico cops just recovered a big stash of AK's, ammo, grenades and claymore mines near our border. Hundreds of thousands of people sneak in to our country every year. So those that say "legalize drugs we can't stop them" think this stupid horse shit will work.
It's a people problem not a gun problem.
I typed this long ass post on my phone so don't bitch!
