Guaranteed Basic Income
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Somebody else didn't take Econ 101TurdBuffer said:
Somebody failed economics 101.CirrhosisDawg said:
So the point is that overall it would be cheaper and more efficient to provide a cash subsidy in lieu of the all the special program bullshit (housing, job training, health insurance, food stamps, etc) and let the free market dictate the outcomes? Eliminate a massive amount of bureaucracy / overhead and let market forces work? Even for the perennially unemployed? It does sound compellling.YellowSnow said:
Nothing's changed with him; he has that already.RaceBannon said:So guaranteeing a lazy asshole in Oklahoma an income will make him not be lazy.
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I certainly missed the lectures in Econ 101 about per-capita equal Government handouts of monetized dollars to induce ekonomic activity. Can you fill me in?
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That was the point, you fucking donkey.doogie said:I certainly missed the lectures in Econ 101 about per-capita equal Government handouts of monetized dollars to induce ekonomic activity. Can you fill me in?
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Sorry, I took Econ not ekon. Share with us the beauty of monetization and dollar destruction so you and me are given free money by the government to spend on shit.
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What happens when they spend the cash on gambling, cheap booze, pills, junk food, cell phones, TV's etc.? Because I'm pretty sure that will happen. Then the idiotic liberals will whine about it, and all the programs will just be reinstated.
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Disagree. The extra cash will make it easier for him to show up in Maltby.YellowSnow said:
Nothing's changed with him; he has that already.RaceBannon said:So guaranteeing a lazy asshole in Oklahoma an income will make him not be lazy.
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So just giving people what they need to live will motivate them to increase their skills to compete for better jobs.
Hmmm... since I was given the opportunity to post here for free. I didn't take the extra step of generating a Gene Wilder meme with the above paragraph in it as would be appropriate.
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It is incredibly difficult to get disability when your young. So the rest of your poont is moot.YellowSnow said:
In any UBI scenario you're are still going to have some unproductive people, well being unproductive, but we already have that at present with all the disincentives towards work- i.e., why go flip burgers when it pays basically the same as saying your back hurts and collecting disability? With UBI, they can keep the basic monthly cash stipend, and thus there is no disincentive towards going out to hustle some more bucks mowing lawns or changing sheets in a hotel.RaceBannon said:I just checked Hondo's source - wikipedia
If you want to streamline poverty programs and welfare to make one efficient program I am in. Just like in healthcare, it is cheaper to write checks than run all these bullshit programs that manage to keep most of the money out of the people who need it hands.
But poverty isn't caused by a lack of money. Its caused by poor choices and human nature. That won't change just because you hand someone money. It will make it worse.
But we? aren't going to let them starve so finding better ways to help the helpless makes sense. Getting generational families out of poverty should be the goal.
Somewhere in there has to be work. Maybe an income to build those aqueducts from Washington to So Cal. Or the Fresno Bullet Train
Keep in mind if we do eliminate programs we eliminate the jobs that go with them. Catch 22
I? pay 40-50% of my income in taxes already so having it used better is a good thing. Producers are still going to produce because of the freedom it brings. But there is a point at which income will be hid or sent off shore by the producers. You have to keep the suckers paying in to keep the ponzi scheme afloat -
Welfare recipients use their EBT card at the strip club. You think their "housing" portion of their cash handout isn't going to 40's and crack? You'll just have a huge number of homeless welfare dipshits floating around.
Your guaranteed basic income is fucking $0.00 Work for welfare is the answer.
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RaceBannon said:
And with your reservation mentality he won't change.YellowSnow said:
Nothing's changed with him; he has that already.RaceBannon said:So guaranteeing a lazy asshole in Oklahoma an income will make him not be lazy.
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Girls that are putting themselves through college need housing too.
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They already are. It's $0.00. Deal with it.doogie said:Every man woman and child on Earth should be guaranteed the same exact basic income
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He would waste 10,000 on this shit thread?TierbsHsotBoobs said:The silence of @MikeDamone speaks volumes
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He certainly cares about this thread.pawz said:
He would waste 10,000 on this shit thread?TierbsHsotBoobs said:The silence of @MikeDamone speaks volumes
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Sounds like you got notes of my exact plan.Fire_Marshall_Bill said:What happens when they spend the cash on gambling, cheap booze, pills, junk food, cell phones, TV's etc.? Because I'm pretty sure that will happen. Then the idiotic liberals will whine about it, and all the programs will just be reinstated.
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He also cares about prostitution, the police and rhinos.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
He certainly cares about this thread.pawz said:
He would waste 10,000 on this shit thread?TierbsHsotBoobs said:The silence of @MikeDamone speaks volumes
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There are something like 250 million adults in the US. Assuming a "guaranteed income" of $20k/yr that's $5 trillion a year, and the govt already spends $1 trillion more per year than it takes in. You might want to get some perspective.2001400ex said:
And food stamps are like $70 billion. Get some perspective.doogie said:2 trillion in dollar monetization so far this year!
And hey...we should couple the "guaranteed income" with repeat immigration amnesties and liberal immigration policy...I bet that will make things better.
There is so much FS in this thread it is sad...
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You are actually somewhat correct....there is a lot of disincentive in the current system to take advantage and not work (or work under the table). But the answer is to reduce/fix those issues, not say you ain't seen nothing yet and take it and go to 11...YellowSnow said:@RaceBannon "Lazy is going to be lazy" misses the point race. It's not the 1930's anymore and the Joads don't have to pack up the Hudson truck anymore to move to Cali-fornee to pick fruit vs staying in Oklahoma and starving to death. Now they can stay in the trailer in Oklahoma and live off disability, and why get a shitty job at the local Wallmart if the net is same as the disability. But how is the current model not a disincentive for work?
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In case you haven't noticed. I don't support guaranteed income and further, we already have a method of guaranteed income and the Republicans were the last ones to expand that. It's called the earned income credit.HoustonHusky said:
There are something like 250 million adults in the US. Assuming a "guaranteed income" of $20k/yr that's $5 trillion a year, and the govt already spend $1 trillion more than it takes in. You might want to get some perspective.2001400ex said:
And food stamps are like $70 billion. Get some perspective.doogie said:2 trillion in dollar monetization so far this year!
And hey...we should couple the "guaranteed income" with repeat immigration amnesties and liberal immigration policy...I bet that will make things better.
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Sobering. That pic is quite literally how Mom, her 5 bros and one sis, travelled from S. Dakota to Seattle in 1938 in a Model A. They would drive until running out of gas then Grandpa would take the 4 older boys to a farmhouse offering free labor in exchange for gas/food. Then repeat until they made it to North Bend. Took about a month, I'm told.
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Your whole family sounds poor.doogie said:Sobering. That pic is quite literally how Mom, her 5 bros and one sis, travelled from S. Dakota to Seattle in 1938 in a Model A. They would drive until running out of gas then Grandpa would take the 4 older boys to a farmhouse offering free labor in exchange for gas/food. Then repeat until they made it to North Bend. Took about a month, I'm told.
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What you mean is your mom fucked the farm boss and all the farm hands for gas.doogie said:Sobering. That pic is quite literally how Mom, her 5 bros and one sis, travelled from S. Dakota to Seattle in 1938 in a Model A. They would drive until running out of gas then Grandpa would take the 4 older boys to a farmhouse offering free labor in exchange for gas/food. Then repeat until they made it to North Bend. Took about a month, I'm told.
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Imagine actually working for the things you need. Wow that's quite a concept.doogie said:Sobering. That pic is quite literally how Mom, her 5 bros and one sis, travelled from S. Dakota to Seattle in 1938 in a Model A. They would drive until running out of gas then Grandpa would take the 4 older boys to a farmhouse offering free labor in exchange for gas/food. Then repeat until they made it to North Bend. Took about a month, I'm told.
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Free labor?doogie said:Sobering. That pic is quite literally how Mom, her 5 bros and one sis, travelled from S. Dakota to Seattle in 1938 in a Model A. They would drive until running out of gas then Grandpa would take the 4 older boys to a farmhouse offering free labor in exchange for gas/food. Then repeat until they made it to North Bend. Took about a month, I'm told.
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It wasn't free labor if they got gas/food
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dflea said:
Free labor?doogie said:Sobering. That pic is quite literally how Mom, her 5 bros and one sis, travelled from S. Dakota to Seattle in 1938 in a Model A. They would drive until running out of gas then Grandpa would take the 4 older boys to a farmhouse offering free labor in exchange for gas/food. Then repeat until they made it to North Bend. Took about a month, I'm told.
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And you took economics, huh?
yup, they were. Both Mom and Dad struggled during the depression to have daily food. Electricity didn't exist for either (most). Kids in the Yacht Club when I was growing up knew who earned it and who had it given to them. Adults did too.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
Your whole family sounds poor.doogie said:Sobering. That pic is quite literally how Mom, her 5 bros and one sis, travelled from S. Dakota to Seattle in 1938 in a Model A. They would drive until running out of gas then Grandpa would take the 4 older boys to a farmhouse offering free labor in exchange for gas/food. Then repeat until they made it to North Bend. Took about a month, I'm told.
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You mean people like Paris Hilton and Donald Trump?doogie said:dflea said:
Free labor?doogie said:Sobering. That pic is quite literally how Mom, her 5 bros and one sis, travelled from S. Dakota to Seattle in 1938 in a Model A. They would drive until running out of gas then Grandpa would take the 4 older boys to a farmhouse offering free labor in exchange for gas/food. Then repeat until they made it to North Bend. Took about a month, I'm told.
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And you took economics, huh?
yup, they were. Both Mom and Dad struggled during the depression to have daily food. Electricity didn't exist for either (most). Kids in the Yacht Club when I was growing up knew who earned it and who had it given to them. Adults did too.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
Your whole family sounds poor.doogie said:Sobering. That pic is quite literally how Mom, her 5 bros and one sis, travelled from S. Dakota to Seattle in 1938 in a Model A. They would drive until running out of gas then Grandpa would take the 4 older boys to a farmhouse offering free labor in exchange for gas/food. Then repeat until they made it to North Bend. Took about a month, I'm told.
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Jesus, some of you guys are just like a bunch of Middlebury students. Why don't you take some free time and actually read the Charles Murray paper posted earlier on universal basic income before trotting out the same tired cliches. Murray's conservative and libertarian chops are fucking legit people. It's all theoretical obviously at this point but he lays down some pretty solid arguments.
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Free income is fucked up theory pushed by academics
