Sobering. That pic is quite literally how Mom, her 5 bros and one sis, travelled from S. Dakota to Seattle in 1938 in a Model A. They would drive until running out of gas then Grandpa would take the 4 older boys to a farmhouse offering free labor in exchange for gas/food. Then repeat until they made it to North Bend. Took about a month, I'm told.
Sobering. That pic is quite literally how Mom, her 5 bros and one sis, travelled from S. Dakota to Seattle in 1938 in a Model A. They would drive until running out of gas then Grandpa would take the 4 older boys to a farmhouse offering free labor in exchange for gas/food. Then repeat until they made it to North Bend. Took about a month, I'm told.
Your whole family sounds poor.
yup, they were. Both Mom and Dad struggled during the depression to have daily food. Electricity didn't exist for either (most). Kids in the Yacht Club when I was growing up knew who earned it and who had it given to them. Adults did too.
Jesus, some of you guys are just like a bunch of Middlebury students. Why don't you take some free time and actually read the Charles Murray paper posted earlier on universal basic income before trotting out the same tired cliches. Murray's conservative and libertarian chops are fucking legit people. It's all theoretical obviously at this point but he lays down some pretty solid arguments.
What's to read? Cut benefits to all the poor and old people (which is what he actually proposes...replacing every single govt assistance program including Medicare, SS, Medicaid, Disability, Earned Income Tax credit, Foodstamps, etc with $10k a year in money and $3k a year for medical) sounds great in theory, but you are FS if you think that will ever happen. And if you are trying to sell what he said as anything different you are just lying your ass off.
And as he says if you don't do that then all of the critics of a "basic income" will probably be underestimating how bad implementing it would be.
But carry on now with your pipe dreams...
Calm down Cletus. The best thing about libertarians is the creativity of their ideas. In an era where our last presidential election was trump-Clinton, any new ideas are welcome. Theoretically appealing but practically implausible? Yeah, probably. At least someone is trying to think of better solutions.
You are clearly redefining libertarianism.
lib·er·tar·i·an·ism ˌlibərˈterēənizəm, noun
an extreme laissez-faire political philosophy advocating only minimal state intervention in the lives of citizen
The idea has been around since the 60's. And it tanks when it's realized that we're theorizing about the impossible: That poor people can be smart and good with money. Kind of a self-explanatory oxymoron.
125 years ago we didn't trust poor people (who were a much larger fraction of society) with the vote. Or anybody with a vagina for that matter.
“We should do away with the absolutely specious notion that everybody has to earn a living. It is a fact today that one in ten thousand of us can make a technological breakthrough capable of supporting all the rest. The youth of today are absolutely right in recognizing this nonsense of earning a living. We keep inventing jobs because of this false idea that everybody has to be employed at some kind of drudgery because, according to Malthusian Darwinian theory he must justify his right to exist. So we have inspectors of inspectors and people making instruments for inspectors to inspect inspectors. The true business of people should be to go back to school and think about whatever it was they were thinking about before somebody came along and told them they had to earn a living.” - Buckminster Fuller
This guy's poop was probably smarter than the whole Hardcore Husky think tank.
“We should do away with the absolutely specious notion that everybody has to earn a living. It is a fact today that one in ten thousand of us can make a technological breakthrough capable of supporting all the rest. The youth of today are absolutely right in recognizing this nonsense of earning a living. We keep inventing jobs because of this false idea that everybody has to be employed at some kind of drudgery because, according to Malthusian Darwinian theory he must justify his right to exist. So we have inspectors of inspectors and people making instruments for inspectors to inspect inspectors. The true business of people should be to go back to school and think about whatever it was they were thinking about before somebody came along and told them they had to earn a living.” - Buckminster Fuller
This guy's poop was probably smarter than the whole Hardcore Husky think tank.
Yeeup. But that also went over he heads of all but three guys in this bored, and sled never had a chance.
“We should do away with the absolutely specious notion that everybody has to earn a living. It is a fact today that one in ten thousand of us can make a technological breakthrough capable of supporting all the rest. The youth of today are absolutely right in recognizing this nonsense of earning a living. We keep inventing jobs because of this false idea that everybody has to be employed at some kind of drudgery because, according to Malthusian Darwinian theory he must justify his right to exist. So we have inspectors of inspectors and people making instruments for inspectors to inspect inspectors. The true business of people should be to go back to school and think about whatever it was they were thinking about before somebody came along and told them they had to earn a living.” - Buckminster Fuller
This guy's poop was probably smarter than the whole Hardcore Husky think tank.
I'd put this right up there with rain dances and sacrificing your first born, in terms of brilliance. Communism sounds so wonderful until one realizes it requires humans to run it.
“We should do away with the absolutely specious notion that everybody has to earn a living. It is a fact today that one in ten thousand of us can make a technological breakthrough capable of supporting all the rest. The youth of today are absolutely right in recognizing this nonsense of earning a living. We keep inventing jobs because of this false idea that everybody has to be employed at some kind of drudgery because, according to Malthusian Darwinian theory he must justify his right to exist. So we have inspectors of inspectors and people making instruments for inspectors to inspect inspectors. The true business of people should be to go back to school and think about whatever it was they were thinking about before somebody came along and told them they had to earn a living.” - Buckminster Fuller
This guy's poop was probably smarter than the whole Hardcore Husky think tank.
Yeeup. But that also went over he heads of all but three guys in this bored, and sled never had a chance.
Kreist Derek, Bring out the coat hanger on this thread because, Yes Communism... er uh Socialism worked so well in the CCCP and China. Everyone had a vehicle, food, heat and clean water.
Oh that's right they didn't and that's maybe that's just why they scrapped it in both countries.
“We should do away with the absolutely specious notion that everybody has to earn a living. It is a fact today that one in ten thousand of us can make a technological breakthrough capable of supporting all the rest. The youth of today are absolutely right in recognizing this nonsense of earning a living. We keep inventing jobs because of this false idea that everybody has to be employed at some kind of drudgery because, according to Malthusian Darwinian theory he must justify his right to exist. So we have inspectors of inspectors and people making instruments for inspectors to inspect inspectors. The true business of people should be to go back to school and think about whatever it was they were thinking about before somebody came along and told them they had to earn a living.” - Buckminster Fuller
This guy's poop was probably smarter than the whole Hardcore Husky think tank.
I'd put this right up there with rain dances and sacrificing your first born, in terms of brilliance. Communism sounds so wonderful until one realizes it requires humans to run it.
You're obviously poorly informed on what the definition of what communism is, you poop slinging ape.
I'd say what we have now is closer to communism as you never actually own your property due to taxes and levees. But with what we have now the wealth of the nation is funneled upward to make rich people richer.
communism: a political theory derived from Karl Marx, advocating class war and leading to a society in which all property is publicly owned and each person works and is paid according to their abilities and needs.
Universal Basic Income would be classless and personal possession of property would still exist. The 'this is communism' argument is just some dumb argument from broken baby boomers who took in too much war time propaganda when they were younger.
communism: a political theory derived from Karl Marx, advocating class war and leading to a society in which all property is publicly owned and each person works and is paid according to their abilities and needs.
Universal Basic Income would be classless and personal possession of property would still exist. The 'this is communism' argument is just some dumb argument from broken baby boomers who took in too much war time propaganda when they were younger.
No. "This is communism" is diagnosed by those who've lived through the 20th Century and know their history. Clearly, you haven't or you don't.
communism: a political theory derived from Karl Marx, advocating class war and leading to a society in which all property is publicly owned and each person works and is paid according to their abilities and needs.
Universal Basic Income would be classless and personal possession of property would still exist. The 'this is communism' argument is just some dumb argument from broken baby boomers who took in too much war time propaganda when they were younger.
No. "This is communism" is diagnosed by those who've lived through the 20th Century and know their history. Clearly, you haven't or you don't.
This is a fallacy as the younger generations are better informed due to the internet. Living through the 20th century just highlights the fact that your exposure to alternative ideas has been limited.
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lib·er·tar·i·an·ism
ˌlibərˈterēənizəm, noun
an extreme laissez-faire political philosophy advocating only minimal state intervention in the lives of citizen
This guy's poop was probably smarter than the whole Hardcore Husky think tank.
Sweden's soil would suit you better I feel.
Oh that's right they didn't and that's maybe that's just why they scrapped it in both countries.
But Sweden!!!... and , ahem Venezuela!!!!
Universal Basic Income would be classless and personal possession of property would still exist. The 'this is communism' argument is just some dumb argument from broken baby boomers who took in too much war time propaganda when they were younger.
By 2000, politics will *simply* fade away. We will not see any political parties.
Seems his best ideas actually originated from his poop.