Guaranteed Basic Income
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I'd put this right up there with rain dances and sacrificing your first born, in terms of brilliance. Communism sounds so wonderful until one realizes it requires humans to run it.Gwad said:“We should do away with the absolutely specious notion that everybody has to earn a living. It is a fact today that one in ten thousand of us can make a technological breakthrough capable of supporting all the rest. The youth of today are absolutely right in recognizing this nonsense of earning a living. We keep inventing jobs because of this false idea that everybody has to be employed at some kind of drudgery because, according to Malthusian Darwinian theory he must justify his right to exist. So we have inspectors of inspectors and people making instruments for inspectors to inspect inspectors. The true business of people should be to go back to school and think about whatever it was they were thinking about before somebody came along and told them they had to earn a living.” - Buckminster Fuller
This guy's poop was probably smarter than the whole Hardcore Husky think tank. -
Hey Commie: LEAVE.Gwad said:Well TLDR; the notion that people should be living with more than they need, while others live with less than what they need is shit.
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Thank you Mr Obama, I hope you are enjoying your retirement however....Gwad said:Well TLDR; the notion that people should be living with more than they need, while others live with less than what they need is shit.
Sweden's soil would suit you better I feel. -
Kreist Derek, Bring out the coat hanger on this thread because, Yes Communism... er uh Socialism worked so well in the CCCP and China. Everyone had a vehicle, food, heat and clean water.creepycoug said:
Yeeup. But that also went over he heads of all but three guys in this bored, and sled never had a chance.Gwad said:“We should do away with the absolutely specious notion that everybody has to earn a living. It is a fact today that one in ten thousand of us can make a technological breakthrough capable of supporting all the rest. The youth of today are absolutely right in recognizing this nonsense of earning a living. We keep inventing jobs because of this false idea that everybody has to be employed at some kind of drudgery because, according to Malthusian Darwinian theory he must justify his right to exist. So we have inspectors of inspectors and people making instruments for inspectors to inspect inspectors. The true business of people should be to go back to school and think about whatever it was they were thinking about before somebody came along and told them they had to earn a living.” - Buckminster Fuller
This guy's poop was probably smarter than the whole Hardcore Husky think tank.
Oh that's right they didn't and that's maybe that's just why they scrapped it in both countries.
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You're obviously poorly informed on what the definition of what communism is, you poop slinging ape.TurdBuffer said:
I'd put this right up there with rain dances and sacrificing your first born, in terms of brilliance. Communism sounds so wonderful until one realizes it requires humans to run it.Gwad said:“We should do away with the absolutely specious notion that everybody has to earn a living. It is a fact today that one in ten thousand of us can make a technological breakthrough capable of supporting all the rest. The youth of today are absolutely right in recognizing this nonsense of earning a living. We keep inventing jobs because of this false idea that everybody has to be employed at some kind of drudgery because, according to Malthusian Darwinian theory he must justify his right to exist. So we have inspectors of inspectors and people making instruments for inspectors to inspect inspectors. The true business of people should be to go back to school and think about whatever it was they were thinking about before somebody came along and told them they had to earn a living.” - Buckminster Fuller
This guy's poop was probably smarter than the whole Hardcore Husky think tank. -
I'd say what we have now is closer to communism as you never actually own your property due to taxes and levees. But with what we have now the wealth of the nation is funneled upward to make rich people richer.
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communism: a political theory derived from Karl Marx, advocating class war and leading to a society in which all property is publicly owned and each person works and is paid according to their abilities and needs.
Universal Basic Income would be classless and personal possession of property would still exist. The 'this is communism' argument is just some dumb argument from broken baby boomers who took in too much war time propaganda when they were younger. -
No. "This is communism" is diagnosed by those who've lived through the 20th Century and know their history. Clearly, you haven't or you don't.Gwad said:communism: a political theory derived from Karl Marx, advocating class war and leading to a society in which all property is publicly owned and each person works and is paid according to their abilities and needs.
Universal Basic Income would be classless and personal possession of property would still exist. The 'this is communism' argument is just some dumb argument from broken baby boomers who took in too much war time propaganda when they were younger. -
This is a fallacy as the younger generations are better informed due to the internet. Living through the 20th century just highlights the fact that your exposure to alternative ideas has been limited.TurdBuffer said:
No. "This is communism" is diagnosed by those who've lived through the 20th Century and know their history. Clearly, you haven't or you don't.Gwad said:communism: a political theory derived from Karl Marx, advocating class war and leading to a society in which all property is publicly owned and each person works and is paid according to their abilities and needs.
Universal Basic Income would be classless and personal possession of property would still exist. The 'this is communism' argument is just some dumb argument from broken baby boomers who took in too much war time propaganda when they were younger. -
Buttfister Fuckface also wrote this:
By 2000, politics will *simply* fade away. We will not see any political parties.
Seems his best ideas actually originated from his poop. -
Lol being wrong is part of creating novel ideas. I can guarantee though that you're keep it the way it is position is shit.
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In all seriousness, you're doing yourself no favors here, young'n.Gwad said:Lol being wrong is part of creating novel ideas. I can guarantee though that you're keep it the way it is position is shit.
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But He and his ilk have the internet, you know the place where all the fuel for higher level discussion lies.TurdBuffer said:
In all seriousness, you're doing yourself no favors here, young'n.Gwad said:Lol being wrong is part of creating novel ideas. I can guarantee though that you're keep it the way it is position is shit.
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Hey man i laughed my ass off at Buttfister Fuckface. I'm just trying to iterate to you that your position on UBI sucks really bad. Its all light hearted, but if i am banished from the land of poorly defined communism than so be it.
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Minimum wage, basic income, etc...there is no benefit so long as the market is free to adjust prices to compensate. Essentially it does nothing good or bad.
If a price ceiling is implemented, it causes problems that aren't worth the benefit.
Politicians know all this, which is why minimum wage and basic income are discussed seriously, but nobody will fuck with prices. -
I'm still curious who is trying to change our economy to a communism and who is pushing for basic income.
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I caught it but since it's total bullshit I threw it back!creepycoug said:
Yeeup. But that also went over he heads of all but three guys in this bored, and sled never had a chance.Gwad said:“We should do away with the absolutely specious notion that everybody has to earn a living. It is a fact today that one in ten thousand of us can make a technological breakthrough capable of supporting all the rest. The youth of today are absolutely right in recognizing this nonsense of earning a living. We keep inventing jobs because of this false idea that everybody has to be employed at some kind of drudgery because, according to Malthusian Darwinian theory he must justify his right to exist. So we have inspectors of inspectors and people making instruments for inspectors to inspect inspectors. The true business of people should be to go back to school and think about whatever it was they were thinking about before somebody came along and told them they had to earn a living.” - Buckminster Fuller
This guy's poop was probably smarter than the whole Hardcore Husky think tank. -
No such thing as classless regarding economic status. Never has been, never will be.Gwad said:communism: a political theory derived from Karl Marx, advocating class war and leading to a society in which all property is publicly owned and each person works and is paid according to their abilities and needs.
Universal Basic Income would be classless and personal possession of property would still exist. The 'this is communism' argument is just some dumb argument from broken baby boomers who took in too much war time propaganda when they were younger.
Classless Cuogs we've got. -
Well I don't need all these bullets. I'll share them with you and your comrades if it comes to that. Careful they're hot and fast!Gwad said:Well TLDR; the notion that people should be living with more than they need, while others live with less than what they need is shit.
Keep this shit up I'll poast a quad! -
Sane people agree that our economic and political structure is gamed to benefit the rich. I'm all for fair taxing of the rich. I'm all for eliminating tax deductions for everyone as well. A flat, tiered tax is the way to go imo.Gwad said:I'd say what we have now is closer to communism as you never actually own your property due to taxes and levees. But with what we have now the wealth of the nation is funneled upward to make rich people richer.
Your plan is however expensive and it would need absolute isolationism for it to work. For if you are going to take it to the rich, you are going to have to stop them from taking their ball and running to a more tax friendly country. The same with big corporations.
This plan doesn't mesh with the progressive ideal of globalism, at all. It would require Economic Nationalism to a degree that would make even Troomps blush. -
Anything that originates from Middlebury will always be tldr around here.YellowSnow said:Jesus, some of you guys are just like a bunch of Middlebury students. Why don't you take some free time and actually read the Charles Murray paper posted earlier on universal basic income before trotting out the same tired cliches. Murray's conservative and libertarian chops are fucking legit people. It's all theoretical obviously at this point but he lays down some pretty solid arguments.
Your pulling from a poisoned well.
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You'll have to forgive some of us as the free for all program seems right in your #wheelhouse.2001400ex said:
In case you haven't noticed. I don't support guaranteed income and further, we already have a method of guaranteed income and the Republicans were the last ones to expand that. It's called the earned income credit.HoustonHusky said:
There are something like 250 million adults in the US. Assuming a "guaranteed income" of $20k/yr that's $5 trillion a year, and the govt already spend $1 trillion more than it takes in. You might want to get some perspective.2001400ex said:
And food stamps are like $70 billion. Get some perspective.doogie said:2 trillion in dollar monetization so far this year!
And hey...we should couple the "guaranteed income" with repeat immigration amnesties and liberal immigration policy...I bet that will make things better.
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Gwad said:
“We should do away with the absolutely specious notion that everybody has to earn a living. It is a fact today that one in ten thousand of us can make a technological breakthrough capable of supporting all the rest. The youth of today are absolutely right in recognizing this nonsense of earning a living. We keep inventing jobs because of this false idea that everybody has to be employed at some kind of drudgery because, according to Malthusian Darwinian theory he must justify his right to exist. So we have inspectors of inspectors and people making instruments for inspectors to inspect inspectors. The true business of people should be to go back to school and think about whatever it was they were thinking about before somebody came along and told them they had to earn a living.” - Buckminster Fuller
This guy's poop was probably smarter than the whole Hardcore Husky think tank.
I don't care about your theories. I ordered two burgers and some fries. -
I'm just here for the gang bang.2001400ex said:I'm still curious who is trying to change our economy to a communism and who is pushing for basic income.
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Why not just give the excess shit to those without who want it?Gwad said:Well TLDR; the notion that people should be living with more than they need, while others live with less than what they need is shit.
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Why is doogie so dumb so much?doogie said:Market forces? Top down government allocations are now market forces?
Good one.
Can't argue with that.TurdBuffer said:
Greatest time to be alive, ever.AZDuck said:
125 years ago we didn't trust poor people (who were a much larger fraction of society) with the vote. Or anybody with a vagina for that matter.TurdBuffer said:The idea has been around since the 60's. And it tanks when it's realized that we're theorizing about the impossible: That poor people can be smart and good with money. Kind of a self-explanatory oxymoron.
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Okay, bored.
You know who massively expanded our very stripped down version of UBI?
Saint Ronald of Reagan.
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It's true, Republican Presidents are responsible for the creation and much of the expansion of the EITC. It was enacted by President Ford under the Tax Reduction Act of 1975, and then expanded under Reagan, and subsequently others. That doesn't make it right nor does it mean it should exist. In fact if not for a massive expansion of the welfare state in the late 60's and early 70's, it would never have been realized, and it is not UBI. First, you have to work to "earn" it, and second, it's limited in value to be well below what most estimate UBI would/should be. On purpose. It is supposed to have a true incentive to work component to it, unlike UBI which is a completely fucktarded idea. UBI supporters try to conflate the idea of temporary assistance with some form of utopian "right" to a "basic livable income". Christ, this thread is riddled with full blown commie aids and exceptional fucktardedry.AZDuck said:Okay, bored.
You know who massively expanded our very stripped down version of UBI?
Saint Ronald of Reagan.
It's called the "Earned Income Tax Credit."
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Exactly. Those who don't work deserve money too
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And people say Millennials are entitled. Can you believe it? It's such an unfair stereotype.
