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  • Kaepsknee
    Kaepsknee Member Posts: 14,913
    edited September 2017
    Mosster47 said:

    Mosster47 said:

    Wait, conservatives love trickle down economics, but when the process is sped up they don't like it?

    Sharing the wealth is bad?

    One of our manpower audit teams just finished an audit on why it is so hard to fill positions. Essentially you have people with no skills and it doesn't matter how great of a work ethic they have or how quick of a learner they are because they will never get an interview.

    Then you have people with skills and they use you as a resume bullet and a way to get a pay raise in five years.

    There is currently a massive number of jobs in the US that stay unfilled because they require skills and the government and private industry isn't interested in sinking the cost of training into someone that is going to leave in five years.

    GBI would get more people off the couch because it would make a shit job less shitty and it would afford skilled labor positions to be filled because the pay could be less and offset the sunk cost of training.

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    No, this is serious. It's a very real problem today.

    I will use a real scenario; to be a Financial Manager for the government or private industry you need at least an undergrad in accounting or finance, but an MBA is preferred. You need to have FM Certifications, etc. and any amount of experience paid or unpaid is like gold.

    How many businesses and agencies need these people? All of them. How many people have these qualifications? Not many. So, if or once you do receive all of this school/training and you have over five years experience any open FM job out there is yours. You can name your price and whoever bites finally has the vacancy filled.

    The absolute reality is the job isn't all that hard to actually do, but it needs to be done, and it needs to be done correctly. You can't hire the housewife who went to college for journalism and hasn't worked in ten years because she has been home with the kids even though she seems really smart and has a great attitude.

    With GBI agencies and companies could fill positions like those for a lower salary and would offset the cost of training that soccer mom who can absolutely do the job.
    Do you ever read the bullshit that you post before, during or after post it?

    Please to be linking all of these "Government Financial Manager" positions that can't be filled.

    And don't bother to look for unfilled CFO positions in the private sector as by the time you do, they'll probably be filled.

    Also where is all this money coming from for the government to subsidize the unqualified housewife to be a financial manager?

    And finally, Why would any business want to hire the unqualified to manage their finances?


    Because they can save $10K a year?

    Sure, saving a relative drop in the bucket to have someone cost you hundreds of thousands because they don't know what they're doing makes a ton of sense.

  • TurdBomber
    TurdBomber Member Posts: 20,035 Standard Supporter
    Gwad said:

    doogie said:

    Christ. Now we got collegedoogs little sister reporting theory from Econ class.

    I'm only here because i believe society is only as strong as its weakest links.
    Biology Disagrees.
  • CirrhosisDawg
    CirrhosisDawg Member Posts: 6,390
    Gwad said:

    doogie said:

    Christ. Now we got collegedoogs little sister reporting theory from Econ class.

    I'm only here because i believe society is only as strong as its weakest links.
    Society's weakest links? You've come to the right place.
  • TurdBomber
    TurdBomber Member Posts: 20,035 Standard Supporter
    I almost got thrown out of my Spanish class at the UW by my Grad Student Teacher who espoused these kinds of ideas, such as ensuring everyone at the bottom was sufficiently fed, housed, cared for, etc., first, and then the professional and academic classes would rise from there, blah, blah. It was 1989, and she was citing Daniel Ortega and Nicaragua as the bright and shining future of Communism. When she dropped that I couldn't hold back on a "Oh, for Fuck Sake..." A quick Lo Siento, Señora saved my ass. And No, wood not hit. But my prior Spanish teacher that year? Ho Lee Shit! Hot as a pistol with the sexiest voice, damn.

    Muchos Penes Duros en los Pantalones Atleticos!!
  • Gwad
    Gwad Member Posts: 2,855

    Gwad said:

    doogie said:

    Christ. Now we got collegedoogs little sister reporting theory from Econ class.

    I'm only here because i believe society is only as strong as its weakest links.
    Biology Disagrees.
    This seems like some abstract being purported as a matter of fact statement. This digression is fun and the front door to my wheelhouse, I could easily draw from Biology on how the human body is trillions of cells that work exactly on the concepts I'm defending.
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,794 Founders Club
    Darwin theory says society kills the weakest links to get stronger.

    Survival of the fittest. Not some crypto religious bullshit about caring for the weak.
  • TurdBomber
    TurdBomber Member Posts: 20,035 Standard Supporter
    Gwad said:

    Gwad said:

    doogie said:

    Christ. Now we got collegedoogs little sister reporting theory from Econ class.

    I'm only here because i believe society is only as strong as its weakest links.
    Biology Disagrees.
    This seems like some abstract being purported as a matter of fact statement. This digression is fun and the front door to my wheelhouse, I could easily draw from Biology on how the human body is trillions of cells that work exactly on the concepts I'm defending.
    Oh please. Let’s hear it. Knock yourself out.
  • Gwad
    Gwad Member Posts: 2,855
    edited September 2017

    Darwin theory says society kills the weakest links to get stronger.

    Survival of the fittest. Not some crypto religious bullshit about caring for the weak.

    Yes i assumed that was what he was getting at. I don't think stating it was warranted. I was trying to point out that both exist it is just a matter of perspective. The coming together of organisms to make more than the sum of their parts does not happen without the external pusher of survival, they compliment each other. We can choose to continue being poop slinging apes or begin to shed our feeble ideas of individuality and come together to become something larger than ourselves. I believe UBI is a step in the right direction.
  • TurdBomber
    TurdBomber Member Posts: 20,035 Standard Supporter
    Gwad said:

    Darwin theory says society kills the weakest links to get stronger.

    Survival of the fittest. Not some crypto religious bullshit about caring for the weak.

    Yes i assumed that was what he was getting at. I don't think stating it was warranted. I was trying to point out that both exist it is just a matter of perspective. The coming together of organisms to make more than the sum of their parts does not happen without the external pusher of survival, they compliment each other. We can choose to continue being poop slinging apes or begin to shed our feeble ideas of individuality and come together to become something larger than ourselves. I believe UBI is a step in the right direction.
    Seriously, which tent camp are you living in?
  • Gwad
    Gwad Member Posts: 2,855

    Gwad said:

    Darwin theory says society kills the weakest links to get stronger.

    Survival of the fittest. Not some crypto religious bullshit about caring for the weak.

    Yes i assumed that was what he was getting at. I don't think stating it was warranted. I was trying to point out that both exist it is just a matter of perspective. The coming together of organisms to make more than the sum of their parts does not happen without the external pusher of survival, they compliment each other. We can choose to continue being poop slinging apes or begin to shed our feeble ideas of individuality and come together to become something larger than ourselves. I believe UBI is a step in the right direction.
    Seriously, which tent camp are you living in?
    Lol I am a little further up the poverty line than that but not far :). It gives me time to think and the vulnerability keeps it real. I won't be here forever though as I know some of you only know subjugation. *wink*
  • Southerndawg
    Southerndawg Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 8,346 Founders Club

    Gwad said:

    Darwin theory says society kills the weakest links to get stronger.

    Survival of the fittest. Not some crypto religious bullshit about caring for the weak.

    Yes i assumed that was what he was getting at. I don't think stating it was warranted. I was trying to point out that both exist it is just a matter of perspective. The coming together of organisms to make more than the sum of their parts does not happen without the external pusher of survival, they compliment each other. We can choose to continue being poop slinging apes or begin to shed our feeble ideas of individuality and come together to become something larger than ourselves. I believe UBI is a step in the right direction.
    Seriously, which tent camp are you living in?

    The googles found him

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  • TurdBomber
    TurdBomber Member Posts: 20,035 Standard Supporter
    edited September 2017
    Get a valuable skill set and you can stop wasting your time debating the virtues of collectivism. Two legs bad, four legs good didn’t turn out as planned, did it?

    After all What has Stalin ever done for you? What has Stalin ever done for any of us? He is a madman. He is pure evil.

    And worst of all not a technically gifted writer.
  • doogie
    doogie Member Posts: 15,072
    Gwad said:

    Gwad said:

    Darwin theory says society kills the weakest links to get stronger.

    Survival of the fittest. Not some crypto religious bullshit about caring for the weak.

    Yes i assumed that was what he was getting at. I don't think stating it was warranted. I was trying to point out that both exist it is just a matter of perspective. The coming together of organisms to make more than the sum of their parts does not happen without the external pusher of survival, they compliment each other. We can choose to continue being poop slinging apes or begin to shed our feeble ideas of individuality and come together to become something larger than ourselves. I believe UBI is a step in the right direction.
    Seriously, which tent camp are you living in?
    Lol I am a little further up the poverty line than that but not far :). It gives me time to think and the vulnerability keeps it real. I won't be here forever though as I know some of you only know subjugation. *wink*
    What did you get your degree in?
  • Gwad
    Gwad Member Posts: 2,855

    Get a valuable skill set and you can stop wasting your time debating the virtues of collectivism. Two legs bad, four legs good didn’t turn out as planned, did it?

    Sounds like a personal problem.
  • creepycoug
    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,036

    Private companies can hire whoever the fuck they want irregardless of bull shit requirements.

    I hire smart people and teach them

    Do you teach them to say "irregardless" or do you teach them the Engrish?
  • Mosster47
    Mosster47 Member Posts: 6,246

    Private companies can hire whoever the fuck they want irregardless of bull shit requirements.

    I hire smart people and teach them

    That's a rare scenario and people of your mindset are retiring in hordes.
  • dflea
    dflea Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 7,287 Swaye's Wigwam

    Darwin theory says society kills the weakest links to get stronger.

    Survival of the fittest. Not some crypto religious bullshit about caring for the weak.

    Nobody your age should be pimping survival of the fittest.
  • doogie
    doogie Member Posts: 15,072
    So, you're a "NO" on the Senior MMA Deathmatch tour?
  • TurdBomber
    TurdBomber Member Posts: 20,035 Standard Supporter
    Gwad said:

    Get a valuable skill set and you can stop wasting your time debating the virtues of collectivism. Two legs bad, four legs good didn’t turn out as planned, did it?

    Sounds like a personal problem.
    No surprise you would see it that way.
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,794 Founders Club

    Private companies can hire whoever the fuck they want irregardless of bull shit requirements.

    I hire smart people and teach them

    Do you teach them to say "irregardless" or do you teach them the Engrish?
    I teach them to say

    WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSH

    Mute point irregardless anyway
  • creepycoug
    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,036

    Private companies can hire whoever the fuck they want irregardless of bull shit requirements.

    I hire smart people and teach them

    Do you teach them to say "irregardless" or do you teach them the Engrish?
    I teach them to say

    WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSH

    Mute point irregardless anyway
    This may be a rare instance of the "I WHOOSHED YOUR WHOOSH" WHOOSH. It doesn't show itself as often anymore, what with the uptick in the collective experience here with WHOOSHING.

    But you're right: the point is mute. At our age, we can't hear anything anyway.
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,794 Founders Club
  • creepycoug
    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,036

    Huh?

    Did you say something? What?