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  • PurpleJPurpleJ Member Posts: 36,946 Founders Club
    2001400ex said:

    PurpleJ said:

    PurpleJ said:

    This was the plan from the get go. The administration knew they couldn't get a single payer system passed, so they came up with a system that would be sure to fail. Once it fails, single payer will be the only option. Pretty sick if you ask me.

    Pretty much every other advanced country has single payer or some kind of similar "evil" socialized medicine
    Then go live there and fuck off.
    love it or leave it response from the pothead. No surprise.

    You do know that healthcare is about 18% of GDP vs. about 8-12 in the other countries and people are charged 400 times as much for pills as in those countries.

    So your solution would be a government monopoly on health care? If socialized medicine was so great you would see people lining up to move to Canada. In reality, Canadians wait in line for operations and get shitty service by comparison.

    Sorry, I don't want to live in a country where I'm forced to pay for other people's misdeeds and misfortunes. It's stealing to take someone's money and give it to someone else.

    By all means, argue based on statistics that you have no clue how to interpret. We spent billions on government-subsidized programs and costs went up. My grandma thanks you for her $400K surgery that didn't work out as planned.
    Then you should LEAVE. Now. If you pay for medical insurance right now, you are paying for other people's sickness. If you don't pay insurance and are paying cash, you are still paying for other people's sickness through inflated costs.

    It's almost like you don't understand basic concepts of insurance and health care costs.
    Thank you for your input. :smile:
  • dfleadflea Member Posts: 7,228
    Sledog said:

    pawz said:

    salemcoog said:

    PurpleJ said:

    This was the plan from the get go. The administration knew they couldn't get a single payer system passed, so they came up with a system that would be sure to fail. Once it fails, single payer will be the only option. Pretty sick if you ask me.

    Pretty much every other advanced country has single payer or some kind of similar "evil" socialized medicine
    Then go live there and fuck off.
    love it or leave it response from the pothead. No surprise.

    You do know that healthcare is about 18% of GDP vs. about 8-12 in the other countries and people are charged 400 times as much for pills as in those countries.

    Do you think it may be related to the diets and the failure of the FDA to allow giants such as Conagra to provide cheap, instant blood sugar spiking foods to the masses... Just maybe???

    Since the FDA has done such a bang up job with the regulation of our food. I'm sure the Federal Government would do even better at further control of health care.

    Every Looberal says so.

    Fucking this.



    image
    This is very true

    I wish they would pass legislation that prevents people using food stamps to buy fast food and other junk food. Food stamps should only be used for meat, cheese, milk, water, veggies, bread, etc. The fact that someone can use taxpayer dollars to buy bags of Doritios, 24 pack Mountain Dew, fast food combo meals, etc. is disgusting to me. This country gives these people money to make themselves even more sick, so we have to spend even more money paying for their more expensive medical bills later in life.

    I understand that people should have freedom to spend their money. But they didn't earn that money, we gave them that money. And thus, we should be able to control how that money is spent. When they get a job and earn actual wages then they can buy all the crap they want.

    Social security obviously doesn't count, because most of that money was earned from years of employment.

    This obviously won't pass because every fast food and junk food lobbyist in the country would prevent this from happening.
    He'll they can buy hookups and blow too.
    Please go die.
  • UWhuskytskeetUWhuskytskeet Member Posts: 7,110
    Sledog said:

    dnc said:

    Sledog said:

    Why would we want to provide coverage for everyone and reduce our burden by 50%? Single payer is scary! Why add thousands of dollars per capita into other sectors of the economy when we can pay for 50 layers of bureaucratic inefficiencies at insurance companies?

    image

    Yeah the US government is far more efficient. Holy shit!
    It literally is, Medicare is way more efficient than private insurance.

    Here are a couple highlights:

    Medicaire's spending grows at a slower rate than private insurance premiums (4.3% per year vs 6.5%).

    It's administrative costs are tiny compare to private insurance also (2% of expenditures vs 17% of revenue).

    Are you under the impression that paying medical billing coders, insurance adjusters etc is a good use of health care spending?
    17%? OZONEfs said it was 70%...

    Private insurance more efficient than medicare by far
    And yet every single country with universal health care spends less than the US per capita, most more than 50%.
    You think this is because their system is more efficient, or because their culture isn't full of mountain dew drinking cheeto eaters playing Warcraft in their mom's dads' basement? No offense to present company, of course.
    UK, Australia, and many others are within a couple percentage points of our obesity rates. Fat fucks are definitely a drain on the system private or not, though. Then again, giving poor fat fucks the opportunity to visit a doctor once in a while might be enough for them to lose some weight. Same goes for all preventive care, it's much cheaper to fix things health issues early, but uninsured don't go in until they absolutely have to.
    Heard all the supposed ways it will be cheaper. Why the hell didn't Happen? Oh yeah socialist shit NEVER HAS WORKED, never will.
    Yeah never worked, except for all the countries were it does work. Much better than our system.

    What else should be privitized? Military?
  • SledogSledog Member Posts: 33,160 Standard Supporter
    dnc said:

    Sledog said:

    dnc said:

    Sledog said:

    Why would we want to provide coverage for everyone and reduce our burden by 50%? Single payer is scary! Why add thousands of dollars per capita into other sectors of the economy when we can pay for 50 layers of bureaucratic inefficiencies at insurance companies?

    image

    Yeah the US government is far more efficient. Holy shit!
    It literally is, Medicare is way more efficient than private insurance.

    Here are a couple highlights:

    Medicaire's spending grows at a slower rate than private insurance premiums (4.3% per year vs 6.5%).

    It's administrative costs are tiny compare to private insurance also (2% of expenditures vs 17% of revenue).

    Are you under the impression that paying medical billing coders, insurance adjusters etc is a good use of health care spending?
    17%? OZONEfs said it was 70%...

    Private insurance more efficient than medicare by far
    And yet every single country with universal health care spends less than the US per capita, most more than 50%.
    You think this is because their system is more efficient, or because their culture isn't full of mountain dew drinking cheeto eaters playing Warcraft in their mom's dads' basement? No offense to present company, of course.
    UK, Australia, and many others are within a couple percentage points of our obesity rates. Fat fucks are definitely a drain on the system private or not, though. Then again, giving poor fat fucks the opportunity to visit a doctor once in a while might be enough for them to lose some weight. Same goes for all preventive care, it's much cheaper to fix things health issues early, but uninsured don't go in until they absolutely have to.
    Heard all the supposed ways it will be cheaper. Why the hell didn't Happen? Oh yeah socialist shit NEVER HAS WORKED, never will.
    It depends on who you are. If you are in the ruling class, socialism works very well for you.
    The more I see your poast the more it pisses me off. When in thee fuck did we decide we're giving up on being the shining city on the hill? (Miss you Ron)

    I accuse @TierbsHsotBoobs of being dogmatic. Well so am I. And my dogma is America. Not micro aggression American but of country of men and ideas. A country that buttfucked the world empire with Hawkins rifles.

    Not a country of apologists and well wishes and non-intervention. We were destined to be leaders. Embrace it

    If we wanted to, we could be the Imperials. We've got lawyers guns and money. But we're too good for that. Because. This is the greatest country ever. It sucks. But it sucks a lot less than the rest of the bastards.

    Fuck off, NMBE, DIAF, Thank me for my service.

    *too
    Then why is everyone wanting us to follow socialist practices for medical insurance?
  • SledogSledog Member Posts: 33,160 Standard Supporter
    dflea said:

    Sledog said:

    pawz said:

    salemcoog said:

    PurpleJ said:

    This was the plan from the get go. The administration knew they couldn't get a single payer system passed, so they came up with a system that would be sure to fail. Once it fails, single payer will be the only option. Pretty sick if you ask me.

    Pretty much every other advanced country has single payer or some kind of similar "evil" socialized medicine
    Then go live there and fuck off.
    love it or leave it response from the pothead. No surprise.

    You do know that healthcare is about 18% of GDP vs. about 8-12 in the other countries and people are charged 400 times as much for pills as in those countries.

    Do you think it may be related to the diets and the failure of the FDA to allow giants such as Conagra to provide cheap, instant blood sugar spiking foods to the masses... Just maybe???

    Since the FDA has done such a bang up job with the regulation of our food. I'm sure the Federal Government would do even better at further control of health care.

    Every Looberal says so.

    Fucking this.



    image
    This is very true

    I wish they would pass legislation that prevents people using food stamps to buy fast food and other junk food. Food stamps should only be used for meat, cheese, milk, water, veggies, bread, etc. The fact that someone can use taxpayer dollars to buy bags of Doritios, 24 pack Mountain Dew, fast food combo meals, etc. is disgusting to me. This country gives these people money to make themselves even more sick, so we have to spend even more money paying for their more expensive medical bills later in life.

    I understand that people should have freedom to spend their money. But they didn't earn that money, we gave them that money. And thus, we should be able to control how that money is spent. When they get a job and earn actual wages then they can buy all the crap they want.

    Social security obviously doesn't count, because most of that money was earned from years of employment.

    This obviously won't pass because every fast food and junk food lobbyist in the country would prevent this from happening.
    He'll they can buy hookups and blow too.
    Please go die.
    Nope. Healthy and not dying anytime soon. You?
  • dncdnc Member Posts: 56,614
    Sledog said:

    dnc said:

    Sledog said:

    dnc said:

    Sledog said:

    Why would we want to provide coverage for everyone and reduce our burden by 50%? Single payer is scary! Why add thousands of dollars per capita into other sectors of the economy when we can pay for 50 layers of bureaucratic inefficiencies at insurance companies?

    image

    Yeah the US government is far more efficient. Holy shit!
    It literally is, Medicare is way more efficient than private insurance.

    Here are a couple highlights:

    Medicaire's spending grows at a slower rate than private insurance premiums (4.3% per year vs 6.5%).

    It's administrative costs are tiny compare to private insurance also (2% of expenditures vs 17% of revenue).

    Are you under the impression that paying medical billing coders, insurance adjusters etc is a good use of health care spending?
    17%? OZONEfs said it was 70%...

    Private insurance more efficient than medicare by far
    And yet every single country with universal health care spends less than the US per capita, most more than 50%.
    You think this is because their system is more efficient, or because their culture isn't full of mountain dew drinking cheeto eaters playing Warcraft in their mom's dads' basement? No offense to present company, of course.
    UK, Australia, and many others are within a couple percentage points of our obesity rates. Fat fucks are definitely a drain on the system private or not, though. Then again, giving poor fat fucks the opportunity to visit a doctor once in a while might be enough for them to lose some weight. Same goes for all preventive care, it's much cheaper to fix things health issues early, but uninsured don't go in until they absolutely have to.
    Heard all the supposed ways it will be cheaper. Why the hell didn't Happen? Oh yeah socialist shit NEVER HAS WORKED, never will.
    It depends on who you are. If you are in the ruling class, socialism works very well for you.
    The more I see your poast the more it pisses me off. When in thee fuck did we decide we're giving up on being the shining city on the hill? (Miss you Ron)

    I accuse @TierbsHsotBoobs of being dogmatic. Well so am I. And my dogma is America. Not micro aggression American but of country of men and ideas. A country that buttfucked the world empire with Hawkins rifles.

    Not a country of apologists and well wishes and non-intervention. We were destined to be leaders. Embrace it

    If we wanted to, we could be the Imperials. We've got lawyers guns and money. But we're too good for that. Because. This is the greatest country ever. It sucks. But it sucks a lot less than the rest of the bastards.

    Fuck off, NMBE, DIAF, Thank me for my service.

    *too
    Then why is everyone wanting us to follow socialist practices for medical insurance?
    You have an interesting definition of everyone
  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    Sledog said:

    dflea said:

    Sledog said:

    pawz said:

    salemcoog said:

    PurpleJ said:

    This was the plan from the get go. The administration knew they couldn't get a single payer system passed, so they came up with a system that would be sure to fail. Once it fails, single payer will be the only option. Pretty sick if you ask me.

    Pretty much every other advanced country has single payer or some kind of similar "evil" socialized medicine
    Then go live there and fuck off.
    love it or leave it response from the pothead. No surprise.

    You do know that healthcare is about 18% of GDP vs. about 8-12 in the other countries and people are charged 400 times as much for pills as in those countries.

    Do you think it may be related to the diets and the failure of the FDA to allow giants such as Conagra to provide cheap, instant blood sugar spiking foods to the masses... Just maybe???

    Since the FDA has done such a bang up job with the regulation of our food. I'm sure the Federal Government would do even better at further control of health care.

    Every Looberal says so.

    Fucking this.



    image
    This is very true

    I wish they would pass legislation that prevents people using food stamps to buy fast food and other junk food. Food stamps should only be used for meat, cheese, milk, water, veggies, bread, etc. The fact that someone can use taxpayer dollars to buy bags of Doritios, 24 pack Mountain Dew, fast food combo meals, etc. is disgusting to me. This country gives these people money to make themselves even more sick, so we have to spend even more money paying for their more expensive medical bills later in life.

    I understand that people should have freedom to spend their money. But they didn't earn that money, we gave them that money. And thus, we should be able to control how that money is spent. When they get a job and earn actual wages then they can buy all the crap they want.

    Social security obviously doesn't count, because most of that money was earned from years of employment.

    This obviously won't pass because every fast food and junk food lobbyist in the country would prevent this from happening.
    He'll they can buy hookups and blow too.
    Please go die.
    Nope. Healthy and not dying anytime soon. You?
    For the love of God. PM @IrishDawg22
  • dfleadflea Member Posts: 7,228
    Sledog said:

    dflea said:

    Sledog said:

    pawz said:

    salemcoog said:

    PurpleJ said:

    This was the plan from the get go. The administration knew they couldn't get a single payer system passed, so they came up with a system that would be sure to fail. Once it fails, single payer will be the only option. Pretty sick if you ask me.

    Pretty much every other advanced country has single payer or some kind of similar "evil" socialized medicine
    Then go live there and fuck off.
    love it or leave it response from the pothead. No surprise.

    You do know that healthcare is about 18% of GDP vs. about 8-12 in the other countries and people are charged 400 times as much for pills as in those countries.

    Do you think it may be related to the diets and the failure of the FDA to allow giants such as Conagra to provide cheap, instant blood sugar spiking foods to the masses... Just maybe???

    Since the FDA has done such a bang up job with the regulation of our food. I'm sure the Federal Government would do even better at further control of health care.

    Every Looberal says so.

    Fucking this.



    image
    This is very true

    I wish they would pass legislation that prevents people using food stamps to buy fast food and other junk food. Food stamps should only be used for meat, cheese, milk, water, veggies, bread, etc. The fact that someone can use taxpayer dollars to buy bags of Doritios, 24 pack Mountain Dew, fast food combo meals, etc. is disgusting to me. This country gives these people money to make themselves even more sick, so we have to spend even more money paying for their more expensive medical bills later in life.

    I understand that people should have freedom to spend their money. But they didn't earn that money, we gave them that money. And thus, we should be able to control how that money is spent. When they get a job and earn actual wages then they can buy all the crap they want.

    Social security obviously doesn't count, because most of that money was earned from years of employment.

    This obviously won't pass because every fast food and junk food lobbyist in the country would prevent this from happening.
    He'll they can buy hookups and blow too.
    Please go die.
    Nope. Healthy and not dying anytime soon. You?
    Disagree.

  • Fenderbender123Fenderbender123 Member Posts: 2,974
    2001400ex said:

    OZONE said:

    OZONE said:

    OZONE said:

    It is sad that you think money paid for health services is evil if it is paid via taxes instead of through insurance premiums, even if the total amount spent is lower by removing the insurance company profit.

    Imagine actually believing that the government can provide services more efficiently than the free market, because "pr0fit!!!111!!"...lol profit is the reason WHY it's more efficient.

    The 20 countries that have all done it, disagree with your blind faith in the invisible hand when it comes to health care services.
    Just because they've all done it doesn't mean it wouldn't be more efficient if they hadn't.
    They all rank above us in efficiency and coverage.
    Which proves nothing for 2 reasons:

    1) The US has nothing close to a free market health care system. It's heavily influenced by government.

    2) The overall efficiency of healthcare is determined by more factors than just government policy. If the efficiency and coverage really is better than the US in any of those countries, it would be even more efficient if their healthcare providers operated under the realm of a free market.
    Sounds like you prefer entities with a profit motive to make health care decisions for you. Have you ever known anyone who got sick and their insurance pulled? Or the insurance company denied a necessary surgery because it costs too much?

    I'm not in favor of government overegulation. But there are some things the government need to step in.
    Have you ever considered that everything has a cost, and that allowing people to be free allows for equilibrium spending for services? It's often times extremely expensive to give somebody a slight extension of their life, and as horrible as it might sound, sometimes it's really not worth it.

    There is no magic formula to make everyone happy. If a doctor came up to me and said "Mr bender123, you have ________, and you're going to die in 3 months unless we perform this surgery on you which costs $400,000. And if you do have the surgery, you're probably only gonna live for another 3 years." I'd say it probably isn't worth it. If I had the money, sure I'd pay it. But I wouldn't sit there and cry about how everyone else should be forced to chip in to give me a slight life extension.

    Government is already a huge reason why everything costs so much. Shortage of doctors, for example. That's inflating the salary of doctors, and costing everyone money when they want to see one. What's preventing the country from having a steady supply? Regulations. You can't just start practicing medicine, you've got to go through a whole bunch of shit, have enough money to pay for the excess barriers to business, and be approved by a board of existing doctors who have an incentive to keep the supply short. For example, there are a lot of perfectly qualified and experienced doctors who could start practicing, but we don't let them because they can't get residency acceptance due to having been educated in other parts of the world. Fucked up.
  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    2001400ex said:

    OZONE said:

    OZONE said:

    OZONE said:

    It is sad that you think money paid for health services is evil if it is paid via taxes instead of through insurance premiums, even if the total amount spent is lower by removing the insurance company profit.

    Imagine actually believing that the government can provide services more efficiently than the free market, because "pr0fit!!!111!!"...lol profit is the reason WHY it's more efficient.

    The 20 countries that have all done it, disagree with your blind faith in the invisible hand when it comes to health care services.
    Just because they've all done it doesn't mean it wouldn't be more efficient if they hadn't.
    They all rank above us in efficiency and coverage.
    Which proves nothing for 2 reasons:

    1) The US has nothing close to a free market health care system. It's heavily influenced by government.

    2) The overall efficiency of healthcare is determined by more factors than just government policy. If the efficiency and coverage really is better than the US in any of those countries, it would be even more efficient if their healthcare providers operated under the realm of a free market.
    Sounds like you prefer entities with a profit motive to make health care decisions for you. Have you ever known anyone who got sick and their insurance pulled? Or the insurance company denied a necessary surgery because it costs too much?

    I'm not in favor of government overegulation. But there are some things the government need to step in.
    Have you ever considered that everything has a cost, and that allowing people to be free allows for equilibrium spending for services? It's often times extremely expensive to give somebody a slight extension of their life, and as horrible as it might sound, sometimes it's really not worth it.

    There is no magic formula to make everyone happy. If a doctor came up to me and said "Mr bender123, you have ________, and you're going to die in 3 months unless we perform this surgery on you which costs $400,000. And if you do have the surgery, you're probably only gonna live for another 3 years." I'd say it probably isn't worth it. If I had the money, sure I'd pay it. But I wouldn't sit there and cry about how everyone else should be forced to chip in to give me a slight life extension.

    Government is already a huge reason why everything costs so much. Shortage of doctors, for example. That's inflating the salary of doctors, and costing everyone money when they want to see one. What's preventing the country from having a steady supply? Regulations. You can't just start practicing medicine, you've got to go through a whole bunch of shit, have enough money to pay for the excess barriers to business, and be approved by a board of existing doctors who have an incentive to keep the supply short. For example, there are a lot of perfectly qualified and experienced doctors who could start practicing, but we don't let them because they can't get residency acceptance due to having been educated in other parts of the world. Fucked up.
    You didn't answer my questions. But I'll ask you this additional question. What is your proposed solution then?
  • SledogSledog Member Posts: 33,160 Standard Supporter
    dflea said:

    Sledog said:

    dflea said:

    Sledog said:

    pawz said:

    salemcoog said:

    PurpleJ said:

    This was the plan from the get go. The administration knew they couldn't get a single payer system passed, so they came up with a system that would be sure to fail. Once it fails, single payer will be the only option. Pretty sick if you ask me.

    Pretty much every other advanced country has single payer or some kind of similar "evil" socialized medicine
    Then go live there and fuck off.
    love it or leave it response from the pothead. No surprise.

    You do know that healthcare is about 18% of GDP vs. about 8-12 in the other countries and people are charged 400 times as much for pills as in those countries.

    Do you think it may be related to the diets and the failure of the FDA to allow giants such as Conagra to provide cheap, instant blood sugar spiking foods to the masses... Just maybe???

    Since the FDA has done such a bang up job with the regulation of our food. I'm sure the Federal Government would do even better at further control of health care.

    Every Looberal says so.

    Fucking this.



    image
    This is very true

    I wish they would pass legislation that prevents people using food stamps to buy fast food and other junk food. Food stamps should only be used for meat, cheese, milk, water, veggies, bread, etc. The fact that someone can use taxpayer dollars to buy bags of Doritios, 24 pack Mountain Dew, fast food combo meals, etc. is disgusting to me. This country gives these people money to make themselves even more sick, so we have to spend even more money paying for their more expensive medical bills later in life.

    I understand that people should have freedom to spend their money. But they didn't earn that money, we gave them that money. And thus, we should be able to control how that money is spent. When they get a job and earn actual wages then they can buy all the crap they want.

    Social security obviously doesn't count, because most of that money was earned from years of employment.

    This obviously won't pass because every fast food and junk food lobbyist in the country would prevent this from happening.
    He'll they can buy hookups and blow too.
    Please go die.
    Nope. Healthy and not dying anytime soon. You?
    Disagree.

    dflea said:

    Sledog said:

    dflea said:

    Sledog said:

    pawz said:

    salemcoog said:

    PurpleJ said:

    This was the plan from the get go. The administration knew they couldn't get a single payer system passed, so they came up with a system that would be sure to fail. Once it fails, single payer will be the only option. Pretty sick if you ask me.

    Pretty much every other advanced country has single payer or some kind of similar "evil" socialized medicine
    Then go live there and fuck off.
    love it or leave it response from the pothead. No surprise.

    You do know that healthcare is about 18% of GDP vs. about 8-12 in the other countries and people are charged 400 times as much for pills as in those countries.

    Do you think it may be related to the diets and the failure of the FDA to allow giants such as Conagra to provide cheap, instant blood sugar spiking foods to the masses... Just maybe???

    Since the FDA has done such a bang up job with the regulation of our food. I'm sure the Federal Government would do even better at further control of health care.

    Every Looberal says so.

    Fucking this.



    image
    This is very true

    I wish they would pass legislation that prevents people using food stamps to buy fast food and other junk food. Food stamps should only be used for meat, cheese, milk, water, veggies, bread, etc. The fact that someone can use taxpayer dollars to buy bags of Doritios, 24 pack Mountain Dew, fast food combo meals, etc. is disgusting to me. This country gives these people money to make themselves even more sick, so we have to spend even more money paying for their more expensive medical bills later in life.

    I understand that people should have freedom to spend their money. But they didn't earn that money, we gave them that money. And thus, we should be able to control how that money is spent. When they get a job and earn actual wages then they can buy all the crap they want.

    Social security obviously doesn't count, because most of that money was earned from years of employment.

    This obviously won't pass because every fast food and junk food lobbyist in the country would prevent this from happening.
    He'll they can buy hookups and blow too.
    Please go die.
    Nope. Healthy and not dying anytime soon. You?
    Disagree.

    Sure of it.
  • dfleadflea Member Posts: 7,228
    Sledog said:

    dflea said:

    Sledog said:

    dflea said:

    Sledog said:

    pawz said:

    salemcoog said:

    PurpleJ said:

    This was the plan from the get go. The administration knew they couldn't get a single payer system passed, so they came up with a system that would be sure to fail. Once it fails, single payer will be the only option. Pretty sick if you ask me.

    Pretty much every other advanced country has single payer or some kind of similar "evil" socialized medicine
    Then go live there and fuck off.
    love it or leave it response from the pothead. No surprise.

    You do know that healthcare is about 18% of GDP vs. about 8-12 in the other countries and people are charged 400 times as much for pills as in those countries.

    Do you think it may be related to the diets and the failure of the FDA to allow giants such as Conagra to provide cheap, instant blood sugar spiking foods to the masses... Just maybe???

    Since the FDA has done such a bang up job with the regulation of our food. I'm sure the Federal Government would do even better at further control of health care.

    Every Looberal says so.

    Fucking this.



    image
    This is very true

    I wish they would pass legislation that prevents people using food stamps to buy fast food and other junk food. Food stamps should only be used for meat, cheese, milk, water, veggies, bread, etc. The fact that someone can use taxpayer dollars to buy bags of Doritios, 24 pack Mountain Dew, fast food combo meals, etc. is disgusting to me. This country gives these people money to make themselves even more sick, so we have to spend even more money paying for their more expensive medical bills later in life.

    I understand that people should have freedom to spend their money. But they didn't earn that money, we gave them that money. And thus, we should be able to control how that money is spent. When they get a job and earn actual wages then they can buy all the crap they want.

    Social security obviously doesn't count, because most of that money was earned from years of employment.

    This obviously won't pass because every fast food and junk food lobbyist in the country would prevent this from happening.
    He'll they can buy hookups and blow too.
    Please go die.
    Nope. Healthy and not dying anytime soon. You?
    Disagree.

    dflea said:

    Sledog said:

    dflea said:

    Sledog said:

    pawz said:

    salemcoog said:

    PurpleJ said:

    This was the plan from the get go. The administration knew they couldn't get a single payer system passed, so they came up with a system that would be sure to fail. Once it fails, single payer will be the only option. Pretty sick if you ask me.

    Pretty much every other advanced country has single payer or some kind of similar "evil" socialized medicine
    Then go live there and fuck off.
    love it or leave it response from the pothead. No surprise.

    You do know that healthcare is about 18% of GDP vs. about 8-12 in the other countries and people are charged 400 times as much for pills as in those countries.

    Do you think it may be related to the diets and the failure of the FDA to allow giants such as Conagra to provide cheap, instant blood sugar spiking foods to the masses... Just maybe???

    Since the FDA has done such a bang up job with the regulation of our food. I'm sure the Federal Government would do even better at further control of health care.

    Every Looberal says so.

    Fucking this.



    image
    This is very true

    I wish they would pass legislation that prevents people using food stamps to buy fast food and other junk food. Food stamps should only be used for meat, cheese, milk, water, veggies, bread, etc. The fact that someone can use taxpayer dollars to buy bags of Doritios, 24 pack Mountain Dew, fast food combo meals, etc. is disgusting to me. This country gives these people money to make themselves even more sick, so we have to spend even more money paying for their more expensive medical bills later in life.

    I understand that people should have freedom to spend their money. But they didn't earn that money, we gave them that money. And thus, we should be able to control how that money is spent. When they get a job and earn actual wages then they can buy all the crap they want.

    Social security obviously doesn't count, because most of that money was earned from years of employment.

    This obviously won't pass because every fast food and junk food lobbyist in the country would prevent this from happening.
    He'll they can buy hookups and blow too.
    Please go die.
    Nope. Healthy and not dying anytime soon. You?
    Disagree.

    Sure of it.
    You shouldn't be.

    Nice work on the quote feature, too, dumbass.
  • SledogSledog Member Posts: 33,160 Standard Supporter
    edited August 2016
    dflea said:



    Sledog said:

    dflea said:

    Sledog said:

    dflea said:

    Sledog said:

    pawz said:

    salemcoog said:

    PurpleJ said:

    This was the plan from the get go. The administration knew they couldn't get a single payer system passed, so they came up with a system that would be sure to fail. Once it fails, single payer will be the only option. Pretty sick if you ask me.

    Pretty much every other advanced country has single payer or some kind of similar "evil" socialized medicine
    Then go live there and fuck off.
    love it or leave it response from the pothead. No surprise.

    You do know that healthcare is about 18% of GDP vs. about 8-12 in the other countries and people are charged 400 times as much for pills as in those countries.

    Do you think it may be related to the diets and the failure of the FDA to allow giants such as Conagra to provide cheap, instant blood sugar spiking foods to the masses... Just maybe???

    Since the FDA has done such a bang up job with the regulation of our food. I'm sure the Federal Government would do even better at further control of health care.

    Every Looberal says so.

    Fucking this.



    image
    This is very true

    I wish they would pass legislation that prevents people using food stamps to buy fast food and other junk food. Food stamps should only be used for meat, cheese, milk, water, veggies, bread, etc. The fact that someone can use taxpayer dollars to buy bags of Doritios, 24 pack Mountain Dew, fast food combo meals, etc. is disgusting to me. This country gives these people money to make themselves even more sick, so we have to spend even more money paying for their more expensive medical bills later in life.

    I understand that people should have freedom to spend their money. But they didn't earn that money, we gave them that money. And thus, we should be able to control how that money is spent. When they get a job and earn actual wages then they can buy all the crap they want.

    Social security obviously doesn't count, because most of that money was earned from years of employment.

    This obviously won't pass because every fast food and junk food lobbyist in the country would prevent this from happening.
    He'll they can buy hookups and blow too.
    Please go die.
    Nope. Healthy and not dying anytime soon. You?
    Disagree.

    dflea said:

    Sledog said:

    dflea said:

    Sledog said:

    pawz said:

    salemcoog said:

    PurpleJ said:

    This was the plan from the get go. The administration knew they couldn't get a single payer system passed, so they came up with a system that would be sure to fail. Once it fails, single payer will be the only option. Pretty sick if you ask me.

    Pretty much every other advanced country has single payer or some kind of similar "evil" socialized medicine
    Then go live there and fuck off.
    love it or leave it response from the pothead. No surprise.

    You do know that healthcare is about 18% of GDP vs. about 8-12 in the other countries and people are charged 400 times as much for pills as in those countries.

    Do you think it may be related to the diets and the failure of the FDA to allow giants such as Conagra to provide cheap, instant blood sugar spiking foods to the masses... Just maybe???

    Since the FDA has done such a bang up job with the regulation of our food. I'm sure the Federal Government would do even better at further control of health care.

    Every Looberal says so.

    Fucking this.



    image
    This is very true

    I wish they would pass legislation that prevents people using food stamps to buy fast food and other junk food. Food stamps should only be used for meat, cheese, milk, water, veggies, bread, etc. The fact that someone can use taxpayer dollars to buy bags of Doritios, 24 pack Mountain Dew, fast food combo meals, etc. is disgusting to me. This country gives these people money to make themselves even more sick, so we have to spend even more money paying for their more expensive medical bills later in life.

    I understand that people should have freedom to spend their money. But they didn't earn that money, we gave them that money. And thus, we should be able to control how that money is spent. When they get a job and earn actual wages then they can buy all the crap they want.

    Social security obviously doesn't count, because most of that money was earned from years of employment.

    This obviously won't pass because every fast food and junk food lobbyist in the country would prevent this from happening.
    He'll they can buy hookups and blow too.
    Please go die.
    Nope. Healthy and not dying anytime soon. You?
    Disagree.

    Sure of it.
    You shouldn't be.

    Nice work on the quote feature, too, dumbass.
    If it pisses you off it is nice work.
  • dfleadflea Member Posts: 7,228
    Sledog said:

    dflea said:



    Sledog said:

    dflea said:

    Sledog said:

    dflea said:

    Sledog said:

    pawz said:

    salemcoog said:

    PurpleJ said:

    This was the plan from the get go. The administration knew they couldn't get a single payer system passed, so they came up with a system that would be sure to fail. Once it fails, single payer will be the only option. Pretty sick if you ask me.

    Pretty much every other advanced country has single payer or some kind of similar "evil" socialized medicine
    Then go live there and fuck off.
    love it or leave it response from the pothead. No surprise.

    You do know that healthcare is about 18% of GDP vs. about 8-12 in the other countries and people are charged 400 times as much for pills as in those countries.

    Do you think it may be related to the diets and the failure of the FDA to allow giants such as Conagra to provide cheap, instant blood sugar spiking foods to the masses... Just maybe???

    Since the FDA has done such a bang up job with the regulation of our food. I'm sure the Federal Government would do even better at further control of health care.

    Every Looberal says so.

    Fucking this.



    image
    This is very true

    I wish they would pass legislation that prevents people using food stamps to buy fast food and other junk food. Food stamps should only be used for meat, cheese, milk, water, veggies, bread, etc. The fact that someone can use taxpayer dollars to buy bags of Doritios, 24 pack Mountain Dew, fast food combo meals, etc. is disgusting to me. This country gives these people money to make themselves even more sick, so we have to spend even more money paying for their more expensive medical bills later in life.

    I understand that people should have freedom to spend their money. But they didn't earn that money, we gave them that money. And thus, we should be able to control how that money is spent. When they get a job and earn actual wages then they can buy all the crap they want.

    Social security obviously doesn't count, because most of that money was earned from years of employment.

    This obviously won't pass because every fast food and junk food lobbyist in the country would prevent this from happening.
    He'll they can buy hookups and blow too.
    Please go die.
    Nope. Healthy and not dying anytime soon. You?
    Disagree.

    dflea said:

    Sledog said:

    dflea said:

    Sledog said:

    pawz said:

    salemcoog said:

    PurpleJ said:

    This was the plan from the get go. The administration knew they couldn't get a single payer system passed, so they came up with a system that would be sure to fail. Once it fails, single payer will be the only option. Pretty sick if you ask me.

    Pretty much every other advanced country has single payer or some kind of similar "evil" socialized medicine
    Then go live there and fuck off.
    love it or leave it response from the pothead. No surprise.

    You do know that healthcare is about 18% of GDP vs. about 8-12 in the other countries and people are charged 400 times as much for pills as in those countries.

    Do you think it may be related to the diets and the failure of the FDA to allow giants such as Conagra to provide cheap, instant blood sugar spiking foods to the masses... Just maybe???

    Since the FDA has done such a bang up job with the regulation of our food. I'm sure the Federal Government would do even better at further control of health care.

    Every Looberal says so.

    Fucking this.



    image
    This is very true

    I wish they would pass legislation that prevents people using food stamps to buy fast food and other junk food. Food stamps should only be used for meat, cheese, milk, water, veggies, bread, etc. The fact that someone can use taxpayer dollars to buy bags of Doritios, 24 pack Mountain Dew, fast food combo meals, etc. is disgusting to me. This country gives these people money to make themselves even more sick, so we have to spend even more money paying for their more expensive medical bills later in life.

    I understand that people should have freedom to spend their money. But they didn't earn that money, we gave them that money. And thus, we should be able to control how that money is spent. When they get a job and earn actual wages then they can buy all the crap they want.

    Social security obviously doesn't count, because most of that money was earned from years of employment.

    This obviously won't pass because every fast food and junk food lobbyist in the country would prevent this from happening.
    He'll they can buy hookups and blow too.
    Please go die.
    Nope. Healthy and not dying anytime soon. You?
    Disagree.

    Sure of it.
    You shouldn't be.

    Nice work on the quote feature, too, dumbass.
    If it pisses you off it is nice work.
    You being a fucktard makes me laugh.




  • SledogSledog Member Posts: 33,160 Standard Supporter
    dflea said:

    Sledog said:

    dflea said:



    Sledog said:

    dflea said:

    Sledog said:

    dflea said:

    Sledog said:

    pawz said:

    salemcoog said:

    PurpleJ said:

    This was the plan from the get go. The administration knew they couldn't get a single payer system passed, so they came up with a system that would be sure to fail. Once it fails, single payer will be the only option. Pretty sick if you ask me.

    Pretty much every other advanced country has single payer or some kind of similar "evil" socialized medicine
    Then go live there and fuck off.
    love it or leave it response from the pothead. No surprise.

    You do know that healthcare is about 18% of GDP vs. about 8-12 in the other countries and people are charged 400 times as much for pills as in those countries.

    Do you think it may be related to the diets and the failure of the FDA to allow giants such as Conagra to provide cheap, instant blood sugar spiking foods to the masses... Just maybe???

    Since the FDA has done such a bang up job with the regulation of our food. I'm sure the Federal Government would do even better at further control of health care.

    Every Looberal says so.

    Fucking this.



    image
    This is very true

    I wish they would pass legislation that prevents people using food stamps to buy fast food and other junk food. Food stamps should only be used for meat, cheese, milk, water, veggies, bread, etc. The fact that someone can use taxpayer dollars to buy bags of Doritios, 24 pack Mountain Dew, fast food combo meals, etc. is disgusting to me. This country gives these people money to make themselves even more sick, so we have to spend even more money paying for their more expensive medical bills later in life.

    I understand that people should have freedom to spend their money. But they didn't earn that money, we gave them that money. And thus, we should be able to control how that money is spent. When they get a job and earn actual wages then they can buy all the crap they want.

    Social security obviously doesn't count, because most of that money was earned from years of employment.

    This obviously won't pass because every fast food and junk food lobbyist in the country would prevent this from happening.
    He'll they can buy hookups and blow too.
    Please go die.
    Nope. Healthy and not dying anytime soon. You?
    Disagree.

    dflea said:

    Sledog said:

    dflea said:

    Sledog said:

    pawz said:

    salemcoog said:

    PurpleJ said:

    This was the plan from the get go. The administration knew they couldn't get a single payer system passed, so they came up with a system that would be sure to fail. Once it fails, single payer will be the only option. Pretty sick if you ask me.

    Pretty much every other advanced country has single payer or some kind of similar "evil" socialized medicine
    Then go live there and fuck off.
    love it or leave it response from the pothead. No surprise.

    You do know that healthcare is about 18% of GDP vs. about 8-12 in the other countries and people are charged 400 times as much for pills as in those countries.

    Do you think it may be related to the diets and the failure of the FDA to allow giants such as Conagra to provide cheap, instant blood sugar spiking foods to the masses... Just maybe???

    Since the FDA has done such a bang up job with the regulation of our food. I'm sure the Federal Government would do even better at further control of health care.

    Every Looberal says so.

    Fucking this.



    image
    This is very true

    I wish they would pass legislation that prevents people using food stamps to buy fast food and other junk food. Food stamps should only be used for meat, cheese, milk, water, veggies, bread, etc. The fact that someone can use taxpayer dollars to buy bags of Doritios, 24 pack Mountain Dew, fast food combo meals, etc. is disgusting to me. This country gives these people money to make themselves even more sick, so we have to spend even more money paying for their more expensive medical bills later in life.

    I understand that people should have freedom to spend their money. But they didn't earn that money, we gave them that money. And thus, we should be able to control how that money is spent. When they get a job and earn actual wages then they can buy all the crap they want.

    Social security obviously doesn't count, because most of that money was earned from years of employment.

    This obviously won't pass because every fast food and junk food lobbyist in the country would prevent this from happening.
    He'll they can buy hookups and blow too.
    Please go die.
    Nope. Healthy and not dying anytime soon. You?
    Disagree.

    Sure of it.
    You shouldn't be.

    Nice work on the quote feature, too, dumbass.
    If it pisses you off it is nice work.
    You being a fucktard makes me laugh.




    It's all about the jabs and jokes.
  • OZONEOZONE Member Posts: 2,510
    salemcoog said:

    PurpleJ said:

    This was the plan from the get go. The administration knew they couldn't get a single payer system passed, so they came up with a system that would be sure to fail. Once it fails, single payer will be the only option. Pretty sick if you ask me.

    Pretty much every other advanced country has single payer or some kind of similar "evil" socialized medicine
    Then go live there and fuck off.
    love it or leave it response from the pothead. No surprise.

    You do know that healthcare is about 18% of GDP vs. about 8-12 in the other countries and people are charged 400 times as much for pills as in those countries.

    Do you think it may be related to the diets and the failure of the FDA to allow giants such as Conagra to provide cheap, instant blood sugar spiking foods to the masses... Just maybe???

    Since the FDA has done such a bang up job with the regulation of our food. I'm sure the Federal Government would do even better at further control of health care.

    Every Looberal says so.
    So then, maybe we should do something about corporate lobbying and the round robin between corporations and regulating agencies.

    It is fucking hilarious how people want to blame the gov't while ignoring the corporate lobbying that controls the gov't.
  • OZONEOZONE Member Posts: 2,510

    OZONE said:

    salemcoog said:

    PurpleJ said:

    This was the plan from the get go. The administration knew they couldn't get a single payer system passed, so they came up with a system that would be sure to fail. Once it fails, single payer will be the only option. Pretty sick if you ask me.

    Pretty much every other advanced country has single payer or some kind of similar "evil" socialized medicine
    Then go live there and fuck off.
    love it or leave it response from the pothead. No surprise.

    You do know that healthcare is about 18% of GDP vs. about 8-12 in the other countries and people are charged 400 times as much for pills as in those countries.

    Do you think it may be related to the diets and the failure of the FDA to allow giants such as Conagra to provide cheap, instant blood sugar spiking foods to the masses... Just maybe???

    Since the FDA has done such a bang up job with the regulation of our food. I'm sure the Federal Government would do even better at further control of health care.

    Every Looberal says so.
    So then, maybe we should do something about corporate lobbying and the round robin between corporations and regulating agencies.

    It is fucking hilarious how people want to blame the gov't while ignoring the corporate lobbying that controls the gov't.
    So the government is the victim? Got it
    Actually, no, you don't get it. At. All.
  • SwayeSwaye Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 41,357 Founders Club
    Kill this thread with fire.
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