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Aetna Ditching 70% Obamacare Business
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Not really, but still a lot of scratch. Maybe four times what WE spend, but once it is single payer, one might expect a discount. The administrative cost should eat up that difference nicely though.Southerndawg said:
It depends on what you mean by work, but if you mean funded, that couldn't be done even if every penny from defense spending were cut. National healthcare expenditures are roughly four times the current budget for defense.dnc said:
Pretty much every other advanced country is propped up by the US' willingness to spend out of our asses on defense to be able police the world and keep them free.Fire_Marshall_Bill said:
Pretty much every other advanced country has single payer or some kind of similar "evil" socialized medicinegreenblood said:This was the plan from the get go. The administration knew they couldn't get a single payer system passed, so they came up with a system that would be sure to fail. Once it fails, single payer will be the only option. Pretty sick if you ask me.
Just because it works somewhere else doesn't mean it works here without corresponding defense cuts that a) didn't happen and b) would eventually mean all those other countries can't afford single payer anymore either.
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How much lube do you use in your anus to ride the middle finger of the invisible hand all day?Fenderbender123 said:
Which proves nothing for 2 reasons:OZONE said:
They all rank above us in efficiency and coverage.Fenderbender123 said:
Just because they've all done it doesn't mean it wouldn't be more efficient if they hadn't.OZONE said:
The 20 countries that have all done it, disagree with your blind faith in the invisible hand when it comes to health care services.Fenderbender123 said:
Imagine actually believing that the government can provide services more efficiently than the free market, because "pr0fit!!!111!!"...lol profit is the reason WHY it's more efficient.OZONE said:It is sad that you think money paid for health services is evil if it is paid via taxes instead of through insurance premiums, even if the total amount spent is lower by removing the insurance company profit.
1) The US has nothing close to a free market health care system. It's heavily influenced by government.
2) The overall efficiency of healthcare is determined by more factors than just government policy. If the efficiency and coverage really is better than the US in any of those countries, it would be even more efficient if their healthcare providers operated under the realm of a free market. -
So your solution would be a government monopoly on health care? If socialized medicine was so great you would see people lining up to move to Canada. In reality, Canadians wait in line for operations and get shitty service by comparison.Fire_Marshall_Bill said:
love it or leave it response from the pothead. No surprise.PurpleJ said:
Then go live there and fuck off.Fire_Marshall_Bill said:
Pretty much every other advanced country has single payer or some kind of similar "evil" socialized medicinegreenblood said:This was the plan from the get go. The administration knew they couldn't get a single payer system passed, so they came up with a system that would be sure to fail. Once it fails, single payer will be the only option. Pretty sick if you ask me.
You do know that healthcare is about 18% of GDP vs. about 8-12 in the other countries and people are charged 400 times as much for pills as in those countries.
Sorry, I don't want to live in a country where I'm forced to pay for other people's misdeeds and misfortunes. It's stealing to take someone's money and give it to someone else.
By all means, argue based on statistics that you have no clue how to interpret. We spent billions on government-subsidized programs and costs went up. My grandma thanks you for her $400K surgery that didn't work out as planned. -
Let me know when the AMA stops lobbying the gov't for regulations that give the AMA a monopoly in the Dr. creation and regulating industry. Until then, a free market is a fantasy.Fenderbender123 said:
Which proves nothing for 2 reasons:OZONE said:
They all rank above us in efficiency and coverage.Fenderbender123 said:
Just because they've all done it doesn't mean it wouldn't be more efficient if they hadn't.OZONE said:
The 20 countries that have all done it, disagree with your blind faith in the invisible hand when it comes to health care services.Fenderbender123 said:
Imagine actually believing that the government can provide services more efficiently than the free market, because "pr0fit!!!111!!"...lol profit is the reason WHY it's more efficient.OZONE said:It is sad that you think money paid for health services is evil if it is paid via taxes instead of through insurance premiums, even if the total amount spent is lower by removing the insurance company profit.
1) The US has nothing close to a free market health care system. It's heavily influenced by government
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You'd have a point if the US didn't pay more per capita in health care than every country in the world, including those with universal.Fenderbender123 said:
Imagine actually believing that the government can provide services more efficiently than the free market, because "pr0fit!!!111!!"...lol profit is the reason WHY it's more efficient.OZONE said:It is sad that you think money paid for health services is evil if it is paid via taxes instead of through insurance premiums, even if the total amount spent is lower by removing the insurance company profit.
There are literally dozens of test cases available that prove universal is cheaper and actually leads to a healthier populace, but you retards are too fucking shortsided to change. I hope you all get aids and die just before your bankruptcy hearing. -
Yeah man but that's like hurtful and shitUWhuskytskeet said:
You'd have a point if the US didn't pay more per capita in health care than every country in the world, including those with universal.Fenderbender123 said:
Imagine actually believing that the government can provide services more efficiently than the free market, because "pr0fit!!!111!!"...lol profit is the reason WHY it's more efficient.OZONE said:It is sad that you think money paid for health services is evil if it is paid via taxes instead of through insurance premiums, even if the total amount spent is lower by removing the insurance company profit.
There are literally dozens of test cases available that prove universal is cheaper and actually leads to a healthier populace, but you retards are too fucking shortsided to change. I hope you all get aids and die just before your bankruptcy hearing. -
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That chart doesn't reflect actual national healthcare expenditures. NHEs exceed 3T annually, paid for in part by federal and local tax payer money. Military spending is just north of 600B (north of 800B if you include foreign aid, military pensions, benefits, etc). The point is simple. If your goal is to fund healthcare at the expense of national defense, completely shutting down defense spending would still leave you trillions of dollars short, not to mention impotent and ripe for takeover. Doesn't work. Doesn't put a dent in the cost. Wrong approach to the problem.dflea said:
Not really, but still a lot of scratch. Maybe four times what WE spend, but once it is single payer, one might expect a discount. The administrative cost should eat up that difference nicely though.Southerndawg said:
It depends on what you mean by work, but if you mean funded, that couldn't be done even if every penny from defense spending were cut. National healthcare expenditures are roughly four times the current budget for defense.dnc said:
Pretty much every other advanced country is propped up by the US' willingness to spend out of our asses on defense to be able police the world and keep them free.Fire_Marshall_Bill said:
Pretty much every other advanced country has single payer or some kind of similar "evil" socialized medicinegreenblood said:This was the plan from the get go. The administration knew they couldn't get a single payer system passed, so they came up with a system that would be sure to fail. Once it fails, single payer will be the only option. Pretty sick if you ask me.
Just because it works somewhere else doesn't mean it works here without corresponding defense cuts that a) didn't happen and b) would eventually mean all those other countries can't afford single payer anymore either.
Healthcare in the US is expensive for a number of reasons, not the least of which are excessive testing to avoid litigation, excessive use of expensive technology, leverage that naturally exists in services covered by insurance; in addition to excessive government regulation that has led to a lack of competition, artificially inflated demand, and increased operating costs for both public and private institutions by burdening them with excessive compliance requirements. Fix the broken things. -
How did the price drop work out with Obama care when we added in 30 million uninsured? Oh yeah prices went up and keep going up. It doesn't get cheaper without competition. Capitolism could solve it but the government stands in the way.dflea said:
Not really, but still a lot of scratch. Maybe four times what WE spend, but once it is single payer, one might expect a discount. The administrative cost should eat up that difference nicely though.Southerndawg said:
It depends on what you mean by work, but if you mean funded, that couldn't be done even if every penny from defense spending were cut. National healthcare expenditures are roughly four times the current budget for defense.dnc said:
Pretty much every other advanced country is propped up by the US' willingness to spend out of our asses on defense to be able police the world and keep them free.Fire_Marshall_Bill said:
Pretty much every other advanced country has single payer or some kind of similar "evil" socialized medicinegreenblood said:This was the plan from the get go. The administration knew they couldn't get a single payer system passed, so they came up with a system that would be sure to fail. Once it fails, single payer will be the only option. Pretty sick if you ask me.
Just because it works somewhere else doesn't mean it works here without corresponding defense cuts that a) didn't happen and b) would eventually mean all those other countries can't afford single payer anymore either. -
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