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  • KaepskneeKaepsknee Member Posts: 14,849
    2001400ex said:

    OZONE said:

    OZONE said:

    OZONE said:

    It is sad that you think money paid for health services is evil if it is paid via taxes instead of through insurance premiums, even if the total amount spent is lower by removing the insurance company profit.

    Imagine actually believing that the government can provide services more efficiently than the free market, because "pr0fit!!!111!!"...lol profit is the reason WHY it's more efficient.

    The 20 countries that have all done it, disagree with your blind faith in the invisible hand when it comes to health care services.
    Just because they've all done it doesn't mean it wouldn't be more efficient if they hadn't.
    They all rank above us in efficiency and coverage.
    Which proves nothing for 2 reasons:

    1) The US has nothing close to a free market health care system. It's heavily influenced by government.

    2) The overall efficiency of healthcare is determined by more factors than just government policy. If the efficiency and coverage really is better than the US in any of those countries, it would be even more efficient if their healthcare providers operated under the realm of a free market.
    Sounds like you prefer entities with a profit motive to make health care decisions for you. Have you ever known anyone who got sick and their insurance pulled? Or the insurance company denied a necessary surgery because it costs too much?

    I'm not in favor of government overegulation. But there are some things the government need to step in.
    Bullshit
  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    Sledog said:

    Sledog said:

    Why would we want to provide coverage for everyone and reduce our burden by 50%? Single payer is scary! Why add thousands of dollars per capita into other sectors of the economy when we can pay for 50 layers of bureaucratic inefficiencies at insurance companies?

    image

    Yeah the US government is far more efficient. Holy shit!
    It literally is, Medicare is way more efficient than private insurance.

    Here are a couple highlights:

    Medicaire's spending grows at a slower rate than private insurance premiums (4.3% per year vs 6.5%).

    It's administrative costs are tiny compare to private insurance also (2% of expenditures vs 17% of revenue).

    Are you under the impression that paying medical billing coders, insurance adjusters etc is a good use of health care spending?
    Medicare and Obningo care are both rife with billions in fraud every year. I guess it's efficient at false claims.
    Cause private insurers are immune to fraud?

    http://www.economist.com/news/united-states/21603078-why-thieves-love-americas-health-care-system-272-billion-swindle
  • KaepskneeKaepsknee Member Posts: 14,849

    PurpleJ said:

    This was the plan from the get go. The administration knew they couldn't get a single payer system passed, so they came up with a system that would be sure to fail. Once it fails, single payer will be the only option. Pretty sick if you ask me.

    Pretty much every other advanced country has single payer or some kind of similar "evil" socialized medicine
    Then go live there and fuck off.
    love it or leave it response from the pothead. No surprise.

    You do know that healthcare is about 18% of GDP vs. about 8-12 in the other countries and people are charged 400 times as much for pills as in those countries.

    Do you think it may be related to the diets and the failure of the FDA to allow giants such as Conagra to provide cheap, instant blood sugar spiking foods to the masses... Just maybe???

    Since the FDA has done such a bang up job with the regulation of our food. I'm sure the Federal Government would do even better at further control of health care.

    Every Looberal says so.
  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    dnc said:

    Sledog said:

    Why would we want to provide coverage for everyone and reduce our burden by 50%? Single payer is scary! Why add thousands of dollars per capita into other sectors of the economy when we can pay for 50 layers of bureaucratic inefficiencies at insurance companies?

    image

    Yeah the US government is far more efficient. Holy shit!
    It literally is, Medicare is way more efficient than private insurance.

    Here are a couple highlights:

    Medicaire's spending grows at a slower rate than private insurance premiums (4.3% per year vs 6.5%).

    It's administrative costs are tiny compare to private insurance also (2% of expenditures vs 17% of revenue).

    Are you under the impression that paying medical billing coders, insurance adjusters etc is a good use of health care spending?
    17%? OZONEfs said it was 70%...

    Private insurance more efficient than medicare by far
    And yet every single country with universal health care spends less than the US per capita, most more than 50%.
    You think this is because their system is more efficient, or because their culture isn't full of mountain dew drinking cheeto eaters playing Warcraft in their mom's dads' basement? No offense to present company, of course.
    I will say. There is truth to the fact that overall, Americans are less healthy due to our lifestyle and living habits.
  • UWhuskytskeetUWhuskytskeet Member Posts: 7,110
    dnc said:

    Sledog said:

    Why would we want to provide coverage for everyone and reduce our burden by 50%? Single payer is scary! Why add thousands of dollars per capita into other sectors of the economy when we can pay for 50 layers of bureaucratic inefficiencies at insurance companies?

    image

    Yeah the US government is far more efficient. Holy shit!
    It literally is, Medicare is way more efficient than private insurance.

    Here are a couple highlights:

    Medicaire's spending grows at a slower rate than private insurance premiums (4.3% per year vs 6.5%).

    It's administrative costs are tiny compare to private insurance also (2% of expenditures vs 17% of revenue).

    Are you under the impression that paying medical billing coders, insurance adjusters etc is a good use of health care spending?
    17%? OZONEfs said it was 70%...

    Private insurance more efficient than medicare by far
    And yet every single country with universal health care spends less than the US per capita, most more than 50%.
    You think this is because their system is more efficient, or because their culture isn't full of mountain dew drinking cheeto eaters playing Warcraft in their mom's dads' basement? No offense to present company, of course.
    UK, Australia, and many others are within a couple percentage points of our obesity rates. Fat fucks are definitely a drain on the system private or not, though. Then again, giving poor fat fucks the opportunity to visit a doctor once in a while might be enough for them to lose some weight. Same goes for all preventive care, it's much cheaper to fix things health issues early, but uninsured don't go in until they absolutely have to.
  • pawzpawz Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 20,028 Founders Club
    salemcoog said:

    PurpleJ said:

    This was the plan from the get go. The administration knew they couldn't get a single payer system passed, so they came up with a system that would be sure to fail. Once it fails, single payer will be the only option. Pretty sick if you ask me.

    Pretty much every other advanced country has single payer or some kind of similar "evil" socialized medicine
    Then go live there and fuck off.
    love it or leave it response from the pothead. No surprise.

    You do know that healthcare is about 18% of GDP vs. about 8-12 in the other countries and people are charged 400 times as much for pills as in those countries.

    Do you think it may be related to the diets and the failure of the FDA to allow giants such as Conagra to provide cheap, instant blood sugar spiking foods to the masses... Just maybe???

    Since the FDA has done such a bang up job with the regulation of our food. I'm sure the Federal Government would do even better at further control of health care.

    Every Looberal says so.

    Fucking this.



    image
  • SledogSledog Member Posts: 33,160 Standard Supporter

    dnc said:

    Sledog said:

    Why would we want to provide coverage for everyone and reduce our burden by 50%? Single payer is scary! Why add thousands of dollars per capita into other sectors of the economy when we can pay for 50 layers of bureaucratic inefficiencies at insurance companies?

    image

    Yeah the US government is far more efficient. Holy shit!
    It literally is, Medicare is way more efficient than private insurance.

    Here are a couple highlights:

    Medicaire's spending grows at a slower rate than private insurance premiums (4.3% per year vs 6.5%).

    It's administrative costs are tiny compare to private insurance also (2% of expenditures vs 17% of revenue).

    Are you under the impression that paying medical billing coders, insurance adjusters etc is a good use of health care spending?
    17%? OZONEfs said it was 70%...

    Private insurance more efficient than medicare by far
    And yet every single country with universal health care spends less than the US per capita, most more than 50%.
    You think this is because their system is more efficient, or because their culture isn't full of mountain dew drinking cheeto eaters playing Warcraft in their mom's dads' basement? No offense to present company, of course.
    UK, Australia, and many others are within a couple percentage points of our obesity rates. Fat fucks are definitely a drain on the system private or not, though. Then again, giving poor fat fucks the opportunity to visit a doctor once in a while might be enough for them to lose some weight. Same goes for all preventive care, it's much cheaper to fix things health issues early, but uninsured don't go in until they absolutely have to.
    Heard all the supposed ways it will be cheaper. Why the hell didn't Happen? Oh yeah socialist shit NEVER HAS WORKED, never will.
  • greenbloodgreenblood Member Posts: 14,309
    Sledog said:

    dnc said:

    Sledog said:

    Why would we want to provide coverage for everyone and reduce our burden by 50%? Single payer is scary! Why add thousands of dollars per capita into other sectors of the economy when we can pay for 50 layers of bureaucratic inefficiencies at insurance companies?

    image

    Yeah the US government is far more efficient. Holy shit!
    It literally is, Medicare is way more efficient than private insurance.

    Here are a couple highlights:

    Medicaire's spending grows at a slower rate than private insurance premiums (4.3% per year vs 6.5%).

    It's administrative costs are tiny compare to private insurance also (2% of expenditures vs 17% of revenue).

    Are you under the impression that paying medical billing coders, insurance adjusters etc is a good use of health care spending?
    17%? OZONEfs said it was 70%...

    Private insurance more efficient than medicare by far
    And yet every single country with universal health care spends less than the US per capita, most more than 50%.
    You think this is because their system is more efficient, or because their culture isn't full of mountain dew drinking cheeto eaters playing Warcraft in their mom's dads' basement? No offense to present company, of course.
    UK, Australia, and many others are within a couple percentage points of our obesity rates. Fat fucks are definitely a drain on the system private or not, though. Then again, giving poor fat fucks the opportunity to visit a doctor once in a while might be enough for them to lose some weight. Same goes for all preventive care, it's much cheaper to fix things health issues early, but uninsured don't go in until they absolutely have to.
    Heard all the supposed ways it will be cheaper. Why the hell didn't Happen? Oh yeah socialist shit NEVER HAS WORKED, never will.
    It depends on who you are. If you are in the ruling class, socialism works very well for you.
  • greenbloodgreenblood Member Posts: 14,309
    edited August 2016
    pawz said:

    salemcoog said:

    PurpleJ said:

    This was the plan from the get go. The administration knew they couldn't get a single payer system passed, so they came up with a system that would be sure to fail. Once it fails, single payer will be the only option. Pretty sick if you ask me.

    Pretty much every other advanced country has single payer or some kind of similar "evil" socialized medicine
    Then go live there and fuck off.
    love it or leave it response from the pothead. No surprise.

    You do know that healthcare is about 18% of GDP vs. about 8-12 in the other countries and people are charged 400 times as much for pills as in those countries.

    Do you think it may be related to the diets and the failure of the FDA to allow giants such as Conagra to provide cheap, instant blood sugar spiking foods to the masses... Just maybe???

    Since the FDA has done such a bang up job with the regulation of our food. I'm sure the Federal Government would do even better at further control of health care.

    Every Looberal says so.

    Fucking this.



    image
    This is very true

    I wish they would pass legislation that prevents people using food stamps to buy fast food and other junk food. Food stamps should only be used for meat, cheese, milk, water, veggies, bread, etc. The fact that someone can use taxpayer dollars to buy bags of Doritios, 24 pack Mountain Dew, fast food combo meals, etc. is disgusting to me. This country gives these people money to make themselves even more sick, so we have to spend even more money paying for their more expensive medical bills later in life.

    I understand that people should have freedom to spend their money. But they didn't earn that money, we gave them that money. And thus, we should be able to control how that money is spent. When they get a job and earn actual wages then they can buy all the crap they want.

    Social security obviously doesn't count, because most of that money was earned from years of employment.

    This obviously won't pass because every fast food and junk food lobbyist in the country would prevent this from happening.
  • SledogSledog Member Posts: 33,160 Standard Supporter

    pawz said:

    salemcoog said:

    PurpleJ said:

    This was the plan from the get go. The administration knew they couldn't get a single payer system passed, so they came up with a system that would be sure to fail. Once it fails, single payer will be the only option. Pretty sick if you ask me.

    Pretty much every other advanced country has single payer or some kind of similar "evil" socialized medicine
    Then go live there and fuck off.
    love it or leave it response from the pothead. No surprise.

    You do know that healthcare is about 18% of GDP vs. about 8-12 in the other countries and people are charged 400 times as much for pills as in those countries.

    Do you think it may be related to the diets and the failure of the FDA to allow giants such as Conagra to provide cheap, instant blood sugar spiking foods to the masses... Just maybe???

    Since the FDA has done such a bang up job with the regulation of our food. I'm sure the Federal Government would do even better at further control of health care.

    Every Looberal says so.

    Fucking this.



    image
    This is very true

    I wish they would pass legislation that prevents people using food stamps to buy fast food and other junk food. Food stamps should only be used for meat, cheese, milk, water, veggies, bread, etc. The fact that someone can use taxpayer dollars to buy bags of Doritios, 24 pack Mountain Dew, fast food combo meals, etc. is disgusting to me. This country gives these people money to make themselves even more sick, so we have to spend even more money paying for their more expensive medical bills later in life.

    I understand that people should have freedom to spend their money. But they didn't earn that money, we gave them that money. And thus, we should be able to control how that money is spent. When they get a job and earn actual wages then they can buy all the crap they want.

    Social security obviously doesn't count, because most of that money was earned from years of employment.

    This obviously won't pass because every fast food and junk food lobbyist in the country would prevent this from happening.
    He'll they can buy hookups and blow too.
  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    edited August 2016

    pawz said:

    salemcoog said:

    PurpleJ said:

    This was the plan from the get go. The administration knew they couldn't get a single payer system passed, so they came up with a system that would be sure to fail. Once it fails, single payer will be the only option. Pretty sick if you ask me.

    Pretty much every other advanced country has single payer or some kind of similar "evil" socialized medicine
    Then go live there and fuck off.
    love it or leave it response from the pothead. No surprise.

    You do know that healthcare is about 18% of GDP vs. about 8-12 in the other countries and people are charged 400 times as much for pills as in those countries.

    Do you think it may be related to the diets and the failure of the FDA to allow giants such as Conagra to provide cheap, instant blood sugar spiking foods to the masses... Just maybe???

    Since the FDA has done such a bang up job with the regulation of our food. I'm sure the Federal Government would do even better at further control of health care.

    Every Looberal says so.

    Fucking this.



    image
    This is very true

    I wish they would pass legislation that prevents people using food stamps to buy fast food and other junk food. Food stamps should only be used for meat, cheese, milk, water, veggies, bread, etc. The fact that someone can use taxpayer dollars to buy bags of Doritios, 24 pack Mountain Dew, fast food combo meals, etc. is disgusting to me. This country gives these people money to make themselves even more sick, so we have to spend even more money paying for their more expensive medical bills later in life.

    I understand that people should have freedom to spend their money. But they didn't earn that money, we gave them that money. And thus, we should be able to control how that money is spent. When they get a job and earn actual wages then they can buy all the crap they want.

    Social security obviously doesn't count, because most of that money was earned from years of employment.

    This obviously won't pass because every fast food and junk food lobbyist in the country would prevent this from happening.
    You can't buy fast food with food stamps dumb fuck.

    SNAP benefits can only be used for food and for plants and seeds to grow food for your household to eat. SNAP benefits cannot be used to buy:

    Any nonfood item, such as pet foods; soaps, paper products, and household supplies; grooming items, toothpaste, and cosmetics

    Alcoholic beverages and tobacco

    Vitamins and medicines

    Any food that will be eaten in the store

    Hot foods


    You can buy Papa Murphy's tho, which is a very high percentage of their sales.
  • greenbloodgreenblood Member Posts: 14,309
    2001400ex said:

    pawz said:

    salemcoog said:

    PurpleJ said:

    This was the plan from the get go. The administration knew they couldn't get a single payer system passed, so they came up with a system that would be sure to fail. Once it fails, single payer will be the only option. Pretty sick if you ask me.

    Pretty much every other advanced country has single payer or some kind of similar "evil" socialized medicine
    Then go live there and fuck off.
    love it or leave it response from the pothead. No surprise.

    You do know that healthcare is about 18% of GDP vs. about 8-12 in the other countries and people are charged 400 times as much for pills as in those countries.

    Do you think it may be related to the diets and the failure of the FDA to allow giants such as Conagra to provide cheap, instant blood sugar spiking foods to the masses... Just maybe???

    Since the FDA has done such a bang up job with the regulation of our food. I'm sure the Federal Government would do even better at further control of health care.

    Every Looberal says so.

    Fucking this.



    image
    This is very true

    I wish they would pass legislation that prevents people using food stamps to buy fast food and other junk food. Food stamps should only be used for meat, cheese, milk, water, veggies, bread, etc. The fact that someone can use taxpayer dollars to buy bags of Doritios, 24 pack Mountain Dew, fast food combo meals, etc. is disgusting to me. This country gives these people money to make themselves even more sick, so we have to spend even more money paying for their more expensive medical bills later in life.

    I understand that people should have freedom to spend their money. But they didn't earn that money, we gave them that money. And thus, we should be able to control how that money is spent. When they get a job and earn actual wages then they can buy all the crap they want.

    Social security obviously doesn't count, because most of that money was earned from years of employment.

    This obviously won't pass because every fast food and junk food lobbyist in the country would prevent this from happening.
    You can't buy fast food with food stamps dumb fuck.

    SNAP benefits can only be used for food and for plants and seeds to grow food for your household to eat. SNAP benefits cannot be used to buy:

    Any nonfood item, such as pet foods; soaps, paper products, and household supplies; grooming items, toothpaste, and cosmetics

    Alcoholic beverages and tobacco

    Vitamins and medicines

    Any food that will be eaten in the store

    Hot foods


    You can buy Papa Murphy's tho, which is a very high percentage of their sales.
    That's great.....good to know, but that leaves Pepsi and doritos dumb fuck
  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    2001400ex said:

    pawz said:

    salemcoog said:

    PurpleJ said:

    This was the plan from the get go. The administration knew they couldn't get a single payer system passed, so they came up with a system that would be sure to fail. Once it fails, single payer will be the only option. Pretty sick if you ask me.

    Pretty much every other advanced country has single payer or some kind of similar "evil" socialized medicine
    Then go live there and fuck off.
    love it or leave it response from the pothead. No surprise.

    You do know that healthcare is about 18% of GDP vs. about 8-12 in the other countries and people are charged 400 times as much for pills as in those countries.

    Do you think it may be related to the diets and the failure of the FDA to allow giants such as Conagra to provide cheap, instant blood sugar spiking foods to the masses... Just maybe???

    Since the FDA has done such a bang up job with the regulation of our food. I'm sure the Federal Government would do even better at further control of health care.

    Every Looberal says so.

    Fucking this.



    image
    This is very true

    I wish they would pass legislation that prevents people using food stamps to buy fast food and other junk food. Food stamps should only be used for meat, cheese, milk, water, veggies, bread, etc. The fact that someone can use taxpayer dollars to buy bags of Doritios, 24 pack Mountain Dew, fast food combo meals, etc. is disgusting to me. This country gives these people money to make themselves even more sick, so we have to spend even more money paying for their more expensive medical bills later in life.

    I understand that people should have freedom to spend their money. But they didn't earn that money, we gave them that money. And thus, we should be able to control how that money is spent. When they get a job and earn actual wages then they can buy all the crap they want.

    Social security obviously doesn't count, because most of that money was earned from years of employment.

    This obviously won't pass because every fast food and junk food lobbyist in the country would prevent this from happening.
    You can't buy fast food with food stamps dumb fuck.

    SNAP benefits can only be used for food and for plants and seeds to grow food for your household to eat. SNAP benefits cannot be used to buy:

    Any nonfood item, such as pet foods; soaps, paper products, and household supplies; grooming items, toothpaste, and cosmetics

    Alcoholic beverages and tobacco

    Vitamins and medicines

    Any food that will be eaten in the store

    Hot foods


    You can buy Papa Murphy's tho, which is a very high percentage of their sales.
    That's great.....good to know, but that leaves Pepsi and doritos dumb fuck
    Agreed, there should be more restrictions. Dick.
  • greenbloodgreenblood Member Posts: 14,309
    dnc said:

    Sledog said:

    dnc said:

    Sledog said:

    Why would we want to provide coverage for everyone and reduce our burden by 50%? Single payer is scary! Why add thousands of dollars per capita into other sectors of the economy when we can pay for 50 layers of bureaucratic inefficiencies at insurance companies?

    image

    Yeah the US government is far more efficient. Holy shit!
    It literally is, Medicare is way more efficient than private insurance.

    Here are a couple highlights:

    Medicaire's spending grows at a slower rate than private insurance premiums (4.3% per year vs 6.5%).

    It's administrative costs are tiny compare to private insurance also (2% of expenditures vs 17% of revenue).

    Are you under the impression that paying medical billing coders, insurance adjusters etc is a good use of health care spending?
    17%? OZONEfs said it was 70%...

    Private insurance more efficient than medicare by far
    And yet every single country with universal health care spends less than the US per capita, most more than 50%.
    You think this is because their system is more efficient, or because their culture isn't full of mountain dew drinking cheeto eaters playing Warcraft in their mom's dads' basement? No offense to present company, of course.
    UK, Australia, and many others are within a couple percentage points of our obesity rates. Fat fucks are definitely a drain on the system private or not, though. Then again, giving poor fat fucks the opportunity to visit a doctor once in a while might be enough for them to lose some weight. Same goes for all preventive care, it's much cheaper to fix things health issues early, but uninsured don't go in until they absolutely have to.
    Heard all the supposed ways it will be cheaper. Why the hell didn't Happen? Oh yeah socialist shit NEVER HAS WORKED, never will.
    It depends on who you are. If you are in the ruling class, socialism works very well for you.
    The more I see your poast the more it pisses me off. When in thee fuck did we decide we're giving up on being the shining city on the hill? (Miss you Ron)

    I accuse @TierbsHsotBoobs of being dogmatic. Well so am I. And my dogma is America. Not micro aggression American but of country of men and ideas. A country that buttfucked the world empire with Hawkins rifles.

    Not a country of apologists and well wishes and non-intervention. We were destined to be leaders. Embrace it

    If we wanted to, we could be the Imperials. We've got lawyers guns and money. But we're too good for that. Because. This is the greatest country ever. It sucks. But it sucks a lot less than the rest of the bastards.

    Fuck off, NMBE, DIAF, Thank me for my service.

    *too
    Thank you

  • pawzpawz Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 20,028 Founders Club
    dnc said:

    Sledog said:

    dnc said:

    Sledog said:

    Why would we want to provide coverage for everyone and reduce our burden by 50%? Single payer is scary! Why add thousands of dollars per capita into other sectors of the economy when we can pay for 50 layers of bureaucratic inefficiencies at insurance companies?

    image

    Yeah the US government is far more efficient. Holy shit!
    It literally is, Medicare is way more efficient than private insurance.

    Here are a couple highlights:

    Medicaire's spending grows at a slower rate than private insurance premiums (4.3% per year vs 6.5%).

    It's administrative costs are tiny compare to private insurance also (2% of expenditures vs 17% of revenue).

    Are you under the impression that paying medical billing coders, insurance adjusters etc is a good use of health care spending?
    17%? OZONEfs said it was 70%...

    Private insurance more efficient than medicare by far
    And yet every single country with universal health care spends less than the US per capita, most more than 50%.
    You think this is because their system is more efficient, or because their culture isn't full of mountain dew drinking cheeto eaters playing Warcraft in their mom's dads' basement? No offense to present company, of course.
    UK, Australia, and many others are within a couple percentage points of our obesity rates. Fat fucks are definitely a drain on the system private or not, though. Then again, giving poor fat fucks the opportunity to visit a doctor once in a while might be enough for them to lose some weight. Same goes for all preventive care, it's much cheaper to fix things health issues early, but uninsured don't go in until they absolutely have to.
    Heard all the supposed ways it will be cheaper. Why the hell didn't Happen? Oh yeah socialist shit NEVER HAS WORKED, never will.
    It depends on who you are. If you are in the ruling class, socialism works very well for you.
    The more I see your poast the more it pisses me off. When in thee fuck did we decide we're giving up on being the shining city on the hill? (Miss you Ron)

    I accuse @TierbsHsotBoobs of being dogmatic. Well so am I. And my dogma is America. Not micro aggression American but of country of men and ideas. A country that buttfucked the world empire with Hawkins rifles.

    Not a country of apologists and well wishes and non-intervention. We were destined to be leaders. Embrace it

    If we wanted to, we could be the Imperials. We've got lawyers guns and money. But we're too good for that. Because. This is the greatest country ever. It sucks. But it sucks a lot less than the rest of the bastards.

    Fuck off, NMBE, DIAF, Thank me for my service.

    *too

    TY4YS
  • SoutherndawgSoutherndawg Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 8,281 Founders Club
    edited August 2016

    2001400ex said:

    pawz said:

    salemcoog said:

    PurpleJ said:

    This was the plan from the get go. The administration knew they couldn't get a single payer system passed, so they came up with a system that would be sure to fail. Once it fails, single payer will be the only option. Pretty sick if you ask me.

    Pretty much every other advanced country has single payer or some kind of similar "evil" socialized medicine
    Then go live there and fuck off.
    love it or leave it response from the pothead. No surprise.

    You do know that healthcare is about 18% of GDP vs. about 8-12 in the other countries and people are charged 400 times as much for pills as in those countries.

    Do you think it may be related to the diets and the failure of the FDA to allow giants such as Conagra to provide cheap, instant blood sugar spiking foods to the masses... Just maybe???

    Since the FDA has done such a bang up job with the regulation of our food. I'm sure the Federal Government would do even better at further control of health care.

    Every Looberal says so.

    Fucking this.



    image
    This is very true

    I wish they would pass legislation that prevents people using food stamps to buy fast food and other junk food. Food stamps should only be used for meat, cheese, milk, water, veggies, bread, etc. The fact that someone can use taxpayer dollars to buy bags of Doritios, 24 pack Mountain Dew, fast food combo meals, etc. is disgusting to me. This country gives these people money to make themselves even more sick, so we have to spend even more money paying for their more expensive medical bills later in life.

    I understand that people should have freedom to spend their money. But they didn't earn that money, we gave them that money. And thus, we should be able to control how that money is spent. When they get a job and earn actual wages then they can buy all the crap they want.

    Social security obviously doesn't count, because most of that money was earned from years of employment.

    This obviously won't pass because every fast food and junk food lobbyist in the country would prevent this from happening.
    You can't buy fast food with food stamps dumb fuck.

    SNAP benefits can only be used for food and for plants and seeds to grow food for your household to eat. SNAP benefits cannot be used to buy:

    Any nonfood item, such as pet foods; soaps, paper products, and household supplies; grooming items, toothpaste, and cosmetics

    Alcoholic beverages and tobacco

    Vitamins and medicines

    Any food that will be eaten in the store

    Hot foods


    You can buy Papa Murphy's tho, which is a very high percentage of their sales.
    That's great.....good to know, but that leaves Pepsi and doritos dumb fuck
    and trading for all kinds of goodies ... EBT_cards_for_crack
  • dncdnc Member Posts: 56,614
    pawz said:

    dnc said:

    Sledog said:

    dnc said:

    Sledog said:

    Why would we want to provide coverage for everyone and reduce our burden by 50%? Single payer is scary! Why add thousands of dollars per capita into other sectors of the economy when we can pay for 50 layers of bureaucratic inefficiencies at insurance companies?

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    Yeah the US government is far more efficient. Holy shit!
    It literally is, Medicare is way more efficient than private insurance.

    Here are a couple highlights:

    Medicaire's spending grows at a slower rate than private insurance premiums (4.3% per year vs 6.5%).

    It's administrative costs are tiny compare to private insurance also (2% of expenditures vs 17% of revenue).

    Are you under the impression that paying medical billing coders, insurance adjusters etc is a good use of health care spending?
    17%? OZONEfs said it was 70%...

    Private insurance more efficient than medicare by far
    And yet every single country with universal health care spends less than the US per capita, most more than 50%.
    You think this is because their system is more efficient, or because their culture isn't full of mountain dew drinking cheeto eaters playing Warcraft in their mom's dads' basement? No offense to present company, of course.
    UK, Australia, and many others are within a couple percentage points of our obesity rates. Fat fucks are definitely a drain on the system private or not, though. Then again, giving poor fat fucks the opportunity to visit a doctor once in a while might be enough for them to lose some weight. Same goes for all preventive care, it's much cheaper to fix things health issues early, but uninsured don't go in until they absolutely have to.
    Heard all the supposed ways it will be cheaper. Why the hell didn't Happen? Oh yeah socialist shit NEVER HAS WORKED, never will.
    It depends on who you are. If you are in the ruling class, socialism works very well for you.
    The more I see your poast the more it pisses me off. When in thee fuck did we decide we're giving up on being the shining city on the hill? (Miss you Ron)

    I accuse @TierbsHsotBoobs of being dogmatic. Well so am I. And my dogma is America. Not micro aggression American but of country of men and ideas. A country that buttfucked the world empire with Hawkins rifles.

    Not a country of apologists and well wishes and non-intervention. We were destined to be leaders. Embrace it

    If we wanted to, we could be the Imperials. We've got lawyers guns and money. But we're too good for that. Because. This is the greatest country ever. It sucks. But it sucks a lot less than the rest of the bastards.

    Fuck off, NMBE, DIAF, Thank me for my service.

    *too

    TY4YS
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