Aetna Ditching 70% Obamacare Business
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Dupe post. Fuck off. Sausage fingers.RaceBannon said:
Don't know what to do with this2001400ex said:
So do Oregon's DBs.OZONE said:
They all rank above us in efficiency and coverage.Fenderbender123 said:
Just because they've all done it doesn't mean it wouldn't be more efficient if they hadn't.OZONE said:
The 20 countries that have all done it, disagree with your blind faith in the invisible hand when it comes to health care services.Fenderbender123 said:
Imagine actually believing that the government can provide services more efficiently than the free market, because "pr0fit!!!111!!"...lol profit is the reason WHY it's more efficient.OZONE said:It is sad that you think money paid for health services is evil if it is paid via taxes instead of through insurance premiums, even if the total amount spent is lower by removing the insurance company profit.
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Holy fuck.dnc said:
Pretty much every other advanced country is propped up by the US' willingness to spend out of our asses on defense to be able police the world and keep them free.Fire_Marshall_Bill said:
Pretty much every other advanced country has single payer or some kind of similar "evil" socialized medicinegreenblood said:This was the plan from the get go. The administration knew they couldn't get a single payer system passed, so they came up with a system that would be sure to fail. Once it fails, single payer will be the only option. Pretty sick if you ask me.
Just because it works somewhere else doesn't mean it works here without corresponding defense cuts that a) didn't happen and b) would eventually mean all those other countries can't afford single payer anymore either.
You thought this through.
What'd you do that for instead of spewing some Sledog/Hondo bullshit?
The only remaining question is why we police the world instead of offering a better health care system. I say fuck them, and bring on the free insulin - but I'm a type 1 diabetic, so you gotta take that with a pinch of salt. -
I'm sure healthcare was fine before Bill tried to "fix" it.
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I have to admit this cuts to the core of the Libertarian - Republican war inside of me. One side of me says our defense spending is ridiculous and we need to get back to the founders vision of isolationism. The other half says fuck ISIS, let's wipe them out and go occupy the Middle East for the next hundred years.dflea said:
Holy fuck.dnc said:
Pretty much every other advanced country is propped up by the US' willingness to spend out of our asses on defense to be able police the world and keep them free.Fire_Marshall_Bill said:
Pretty much every other advanced country has single payer or some kind of similar "evil" socialized medicinegreenblood said:This was the plan from the get go. The administration knew they couldn't get a single payer system passed, so they came up with a system that would be sure to fail. Once it fails, single payer will be the only option. Pretty sick if you ask me.
Just because it works somewhere else doesn't mean it works here without corresponding defense cuts that a) didn't happen and b) would eventually mean all those other countries can't afford single payer anymore either.
You thought this through.
What'd you do that for instead of spewing some Sledog/Hondo bullshit?
The only remaining question is why we police the world instead of offering a better health care system. I say fuck them, and bring on the free insulin - but I'm a type 1 diabetic, so you gotta take that with a pinch of salt.
I don't pretend to know what the right answer actually is. -
Which proves nothing for 2 reasons:OZONE said:
They all rank above us in efficiency and coverage.Fenderbender123 said:
Just because they've all done it doesn't mean it wouldn't be more efficient if they hadn't.OZONE said:
The 20 countries that have all done it, disagree with your blind faith in the invisible hand when it comes to health care services.Fenderbender123 said:
Imagine actually believing that the government can provide services more efficiently than the free market, because "pr0fit!!!111!!"...lol profit is the reason WHY it's more efficient.OZONE said:It is sad that you think money paid for health services is evil if it is paid via taxes instead of through insurance premiums, even if the total amount spent is lower by removing the insurance company profit.
1) The US has nothing close to a free market health care system. It's heavily influenced by government.
2) The overall efficiency of healthcare is determined by more factors than just government policy. If the efficiency and coverage really is better than the US in any of those countries, it would be even more efficient if their healthcare providers operated under the realm of a free market. -
Yeah my friend from Canada paid cash in the US because the wait was so long for the surgery he needed. Great system.OZONE said:
The 20 countries that have all done it, disagree with your blind faith in the invisible hand when it comes to health care services.Fenderbender123 said:
Imagine actually believing that the government can provide services more efficiently than the free market, because "pr0fit!!!111!!"...lol profit is the reason WHY it's more efficient.OZONE said:It is sad that you think money paid for health services is evil if it is paid via taxes instead of through insurance premiums, even if the total amount spent is lower by removing the insurance company profit.
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I don't know our founders ventured forth and built the Navy to fight pirates on the Barbary coast. We need a strong military. Our spending on entitlements makes military spending look like pennies. We need to get rid of all this spying on our citizens. That's money we could use elsewhere.dnc said:
I have to admit this cuts to the core of the Libertarian - Republican war inside of me. One side of me says our defense spending is ridiculous and we need to get back to the founders vision of isolationism. The other half says fuck ISIS, let's wipe them out and go occupy the Middle East for the next hundred years.dflea said:
Holy fuck.dnc said:
Pretty much every other advanced country is propped up by the US' willingness to spend out of our asses on defense to be able police the world and keep them free.Fire_Marshall_Bill said:
Pretty much every other advanced country has single payer or some kind of similar "evil" socialized medicinegreenblood said:This was the plan from the get go. The administration knew they couldn't get a single payer system passed, so they came up with a system that would be sure to fail. Once it fails, single payer will be the only option. Pretty sick if you ask me.
Just because it works somewhere else doesn't mean it works here without corresponding defense cuts that a) didn't happen and b) would eventually mean all those other countries can't afford single payer anymore either.
You thought this through.
What'd you do that for instead of spewing some Sledog/Hondo bullshit?
The only remaining question is why we police the world instead of offering a better health care system. I say fuck them, and bring on the free insulin - but I'm a type 1 diabetic, so you gotta take that with a pinch of salt.
I don't pretend to know what the right answer actually is. -
Extra cool story brah points if your Canadian friend is black, too.Sledog said:
Yeah my friend from Canada paid cash in the US because the wait was so long for the surgery he needed. Great system.OZONE said:
The 20 countries that have all done it, disagree with your blind faith in the invisible hand when it comes to health care services.Fenderbender123 said:
Imagine actually believing that the government can provide services more efficiently than the free market, because "pr0fit!!!111!!"...lol profit is the reason WHY it's more efficient.OZONE said:It is sad that you think money paid for health services is evil if it is paid via taxes instead of through insurance premiums, even if the total amount spent is lower by removing the insurance company profit.
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It depends on what you mean by work, but if you mean funded, that couldn't be done even if every penny from defense spending were cut. National healthcare expenditures are roughly four times the current budget for defense.dnc said:
Pretty much every other advanced country is propped up by the US' willingness to spend out of our asses on defense to be able police the world and keep them free.Fire_Marshall_Bill said:
Pretty much every other advanced country has single payer or some kind of similar "evil" socialized medicinegreenblood said:This was the plan from the get go. The administration knew they couldn't get a single payer system passed, so they came up with a system that would be sure to fail. Once it fails, single payer will be the only option. Pretty sick if you ask me.
Just because it works somewhere else doesn't mean it works here without corresponding defense cuts that a) didn't happen and b) would eventually mean all those other countries can't afford single payer anymore either. -
Isolationism doesn't mean pacifism. It means we deal with our own shit (ex Barbary pirates) and let everybody else deal with their shit (ex not helping France in their war with Britain).Sledog said:
I don't know our founders ventured forth and built the Navy to fight pirates on the Barbary coast. We need a strong military. Our spending on entitlements makes military spending look like pennies. We need to get rid of all this spying on our citizens. That's money we could use elsewhere.dnc said:
I have to admit this cuts to the core of the Libertarian - Republican war inside of me. One side of me says our defense spending is ridiculous and we need to get back to the founders vision of isolationism. The other half says fuck ISIS, let's wipe them out and go occupy the Middle East for the next hundred years.dflea said:
Holy fuck.dnc said:
Pretty much every other advanced country is propped up by the US' willingness to spend out of our asses on defense to be able police the world and keep them free.Fire_Marshall_Bill said:
Pretty much every other advanced country has single payer or some kind of similar "evil" socialized medicinegreenblood said:This was the plan from the get go. The administration knew they couldn't get a single payer system passed, so they came up with a system that would be sure to fail. Once it fails, single payer will be the only option. Pretty sick if you ask me.
Just because it works somewhere else doesn't mean it works here without corresponding defense cuts that a) didn't happen and b) would eventually mean all those other countries can't afford single payer anymore either.
You thought this through.
What'd you do that for instead of spewing some Sledog/Hondo bullshit?
The only remaining question is why we police the world instead of offering a better health care system. I say fuck them, and bring on the free insulin - but I'm a type 1 diabetic, so you gotta take that with a pinch of salt.
I don't pretend to know what the right answer actually is.
