Systemic racism
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One of the country’s biggest long term disastersUW_Doog_Bot said:End the ass-backwards war on drugs. That alone would cover a huge percentage of our fucked up incarceration numbers.
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Fucking This. Have you whiny fucks were sucking on your mommy's titties in 1994 and you speak of the horrendous injustices like you were there. If you weren't, STFU, cause you don't know shit.SFGbob said:
Do mean the severe sentencing for crack that the Black Congressional Caucus called for back in the 80s?WilburHooksHands said:Mass incarceration and disproportionately severe sentencing is a good example of systematic racism. The “criminal justice system,” as absolutely everyone refers to it by, is a prime example.
I recall black democrats calling Reagan a racist because he didn't do enough to fight the crack epidemic. -
lolTurdBomber said:
Hollow words. Prove it.WilburHooksHands said:Mass incarceration and disproportionately severe sentencing is a good example of systematic racism. The “criminal justice system,” as absolutely everyone refers to it by, is a prime example.
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That's called "prejudice" not racism, but the Left blends them together. Prejudice isn't fair to the person suffering it, but they are paying for another's sins by association, from real events that really do occur and lead to stereotypes based on behavior. If we didn't practice legitimate forms of prejudice, humans would never have made it out of Africa, cause they'd all have been eaten by lions. Think about it: It's called being human.WestlinnDuck said:So, if your store was having a shoplifting problem that was caused by young black men, is your following a young black man systemic racism? You know who plays the knockout game? I'd be watchful around young black men on a public street. A young black recruit at a Pac 12 school has a lot going for him. Tough to see how systemic racism has hurt him.
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Also because of the high crime in many black neighborhoods you're going to have a greater police presence and thus increase you're likelihood of having encounters with the police. If I'm a law abiding person living in that neighborhood and I'm black I'm going to get tired of being hassled by the cops.WestlinnDuck said:People are people and being a cop is dangerous. If black males are causing most of the crime, they are going to get more attention. You can go body search a nun at the airport or the 8 year old little girl. I'll spend more time on Arab males.
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"Offender Scores" are earned under standardized sentencing laws. Judges barely have any discretion in the matters since the 1980s and 1990s sentencing reforms. More criminal history means longer sentences for the supposedly "same" crimes. This is a stupid argument made by stupid people.MikeDamone said:
The argument is they get charged more severely for less serious crimes or charges when others would be not charged at all. Also harsher sentences for the same crimes. I think the harsher sentence part is true.Fire_Marshall_Bill said:
Blacks commit way over 40 perent of crime. I think it might be low 50s. I don't have time to look it up. I suppose it's somehow white people's fault though. Oppression and shit.WilburHooksHands said:Mass incarceration and disproportionately severe sentencing is a good example of systematic racism. The “criminal justice system,” as absolutely everyone refers to it by, is a prime example.
But what's also true is black men commit over 50% of all homicides. That stat can't be skewed by DA and judges. -
The crack epidemic hit african-american neighborhoods with about 100X more intensity than the suburbs. Knew quite a few guys who got sucked into that black (no pun intended) hole.Sledog said:
Destruction of the black family, replacement of the father via welfare, government benefits paying more for unmarried women and more for more children. Planned. Paid for with our tax dollars. This stuff is planned dependency for a voting block.creepycoug said:
Or you can just spit it out. I'm lazy.Sledog said:
America had a fairly large middle class black population years ago, I suggest you look at the cause of it's destruction. You'll find many of the answers.creepycoug said:
I agree with this. I also believe the bolded part. I don't know why black men commit such a disproportionate share of violent crime, and I suspect nobody in this thread does either.RaceBannon said:I believe Savy. But the same genetics that gave him Black skin and the problems he described also gave him rare size and athletic talent that combined with his hard work gives him unlimited opportunity going forward.
Would he trade with a 5 foot 10 130 high school senior who is white?
I agree we try too many one size fits all fixes. Zero tolerance is lazy and stupid. Make calls based on the individual.
America actually discusses race quite a bit. Since I was a youngin. Sometimes its honest sometimes it is not. It is still tough to be a young black male and its better than ever. Everyone is a victim of something or they choose to be a victor. That crosses all races.
So we've eliminated the role of racism ... because we're in the Tug. Ok, stipulated (for you dullards, that means don't keep arguing the point; you won).
The question that remains is, why? Bob says too many illegitimate births and not enough Dads. Ok, let's stipulate that, too (because it's basically true). If that's a big cause (debatable but plausible), why? Why is the black experience so often that of a broken home and poverty, etc. etc.?
Yeah, Smalls has opportunity because he won the genetic lottery. But most people don't win lotteries ... of any kind. Otherwise, it wouldn't be a lottery.
Westlinn says he'll follow the black kid in the store because statistics. Ok, understood. Does that have an effect on that black kid? That collective experience? Seems like it plays out in contact with the police here and there.
I don't like the race game anymore than the next guy. What's the real driver? Maybe the biggest question: does the Tug think that the black community shouldn't be pissed off? Or, rather, should all of us be pissed off about police brutality? FWIW, the latter is where I lean. We need the cops. But we need them to do a better job sifting through their ranks to sort out the murder boners (props to whomever came up with that one).
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at least your handle is on point from shitting all over this threadTurdBomber said:
"Offender Scores" are earned under standardized sentencing laws. Judges barely have any discretion in the matters since the 1980s and 1990s sentencing reforms. More criminal history means longer sentences for the supposedly "same" crimes. This is a stupid argument made by stupid people.MikeDamone said:
The argument is they get charged more severely for less serious crimes or charges when others would be not charged at all. Also harsher sentences for the same crimes. I think the harsher sentence part is true.Fire_Marshall_Bill said:
Blacks commit way over 40 perent of crime. I think it might be low 50s. I don't have time to look it up. I suppose it's somehow white people's fault though. Oppression and shit.WilburHooksHands said:Mass incarceration and disproportionately severe sentencing is a good example of systematic racism. The “criminal justice system,” as absolutely everyone refers to it by, is a prime example.
But what's also true is black men commit over 50% of all homicides. That stat can't be skewed by DA and judges. -
Here's a few: Disproportionately high numbers of unmarried parents or absent fathers, poor socialization in the community that is conditioned to blame others for their own bad decisions or plight, "allies" who will excuse, apologize for or fail to hold wrongdoers accountable in the classroom, on the playground, or in sports when they transgress fair treatment of others or break the rules. In other words, poor socialization that dooms them to a predisposition for escaping consequences for their actions, until it's way, way too late. Shit happens every day in our public schools.creepycoug said:
I agree with this. I also believe the bolded part. I don't know why black men commit such a disproportionate share of violent crime, and I suspect nobody in this thread does either.RaceBannon said:I believe Savy. But the same genetics that gave him Black skin and the problems he described also gave him rare size and athletic talent that combined with his hard work gives him unlimited opportunity going forward.
Would he trade with a 5 foot 10 130 high school senior who is white?
I agree we try too many one size fits all fixes. Zero tolerance is lazy and stupid. Make calls based on the individual.
America actually discusses race quite a bit. Since I was a youngin. Sometimes its honest sometimes it is not. It is still tough to be a young black male and its better than ever. Everyone is a victim of something or they choose to be a victor. That crosses all races.
So we've eliminated the role of racism ... because we're in the Tug. Ok, stipulated (for you dullards, that means don't keep arguing the point; you won).
The question that remains is, why? Bob says too many illegitimate births and not enough Dads. Ok, let's stipulate that, too (because it's basically true). If that's a big cause (debatable but plausible), why? Why is the black experience so often that of a broken home and poverty, etc. etc.?
Yeah, Smalls has opportunity because he won the genetic lottery. But most people don't win lotteries ... of any kind. Otherwise, it wouldn't be a lottery.
Westlinn says he'll follow the black kid in the store because statistics. Ok, understood. Does that have an effect on that black kid? That collective experience? Seems like it plays out in contact with the police here and there.
I don't like the race game anymore than the next guy. What's the real driver? Maybe the biggest question: does the Tug think that the black community shouldn't be pissed off? Or, rather, should all of us be pissed off about police brutality? FWIW, the latter is where I lean. We need the cops. But we need them to do a better job sifting through their ranks to sort out the murder boners (props to whomever came up with that one).
Ultimately, many white allies are simply afraid of the black community rising up and conquering them, so they continuously appease. They lie through their teeth to avoid telling the truth, which is that they simply fear black people. Sorry folks, but fear of the proverbial "other" is at the root of much of it. -
Yep, it was every bit as bad as the opiate crisis is now and it involved a lot more violence among the people selling it on the streets.PurpleThrobber said:
The crack epidemic hit african-american neighborhoods with about 100X more intensity than the suburbs. Knew quite a few guys who got sucked into that black (no pun intended) hole.Sledog said:
Destruction of the black family, replacement of the father via welfare, government benefits paying more for unmarried women and more for more children. Planned. Paid for with our tax dollars. This stuff is planned dependency for a voting block.creepycoug said:
Or you can just spit it out. I'm lazy.Sledog said:
America had a fairly large middle class black population years ago, I suggest you look at the cause of it's destruction. You'll find many of the answers.creepycoug said:
I agree with this. I also believe the bolded part. I don't know why black men commit such a disproportionate share of violent crime, and I suspect nobody in this thread does either.RaceBannon said:I believe Savy. But the same genetics that gave him Black skin and the problems he described also gave him rare size and athletic talent that combined with his hard work gives him unlimited opportunity going forward.
Would he trade with a 5 foot 10 130 high school senior who is white?
I agree we try too many one size fits all fixes. Zero tolerance is lazy and stupid. Make calls based on the individual.
America actually discusses race quite a bit. Since I was a youngin. Sometimes its honest sometimes it is not. It is still tough to be a young black male and its better than ever. Everyone is a victim of something or they choose to be a victor. That crosses all races.
So we've eliminated the role of racism ... because we're in the Tug. Ok, stipulated (for you dullards, that means don't keep arguing the point; you won).
The question that remains is, why? Bob says too many illegitimate births and not enough Dads. Ok, let's stipulate that, too (because it's basically true). If that's a big cause (debatable but plausible), why? Why is the black experience so often that of a broken home and poverty, etc. etc.?
Yeah, Smalls has opportunity because he won the genetic lottery. But most people don't win lotteries ... of any kind. Otherwise, it wouldn't be a lottery.
Westlinn says he'll follow the black kid in the store because statistics. Ok, understood. Does that have an effect on that black kid? That collective experience? Seems like it plays out in contact with the police here and there.
I don't like the race game anymore than the next guy. What's the real driver? Maybe the biggest question: does the Tug think that the black community shouldn't be pissed off? Or, rather, should all of us be pissed off about police brutality? FWIW, the latter is where I lean. We need the cops. But we need them to do a better job sifting through their ranks to sort out the murder boners (props to whomever came up with that one).
