There are countless cases of white teens shooting up schools and getting released because of mental illness?
Look up any mass shooting from 2000-2019 white male gets tried and charged but labeled as having a mental illness and will receive treatment instead of Jail for life or the death penalty. That is what I am saying its the court trials and outcomes. If you replace those white teens who did mass shootings and make them african american do you think they will be labeled off with Mental Illness and be given treatment for it?
First of all the overwhelming majority of all school shooters are either killed during the shooting or commit suicide. The Florida school shooter is still awaiting trial in prison not a mental hospital.
Kip Kinkel is in prison for the rest of his life, not a mental institution. You're full of shit.
Some kid in Colorado was found insane. But he hardly “got off”.
The problem Dodgy has is he makes a decent point, then fucks it up with cheery picked anecdotal data and hyperbole.
As far as calling cops on people for dumb stuff, it happens quite often to everyone. Especially in the age of Karen. But most “victims” assume the person is an asshole doesn’t call the press. I said before in this thread maybe white privilege is when someone is being a dick to you, you have the privilege to assume the person is a dick rather than a racist.
Trayvon wasn't killed because of white privilege or stalking. He died because he was a POS using extreme force on what he thought was a helpless victim. Zimmerman was free to follow whomever he wanted in his neighborhood. Trayvon was made to feel special and hadn't had to face the consequences of prior crimes. Trademark came back after making it home to look for Zimmerman.
Martin was a 17-year old 158 lb string bean. Zimmerman stretches the bounds of the idea of "victim" as used in everyday parlance.
Not only that, but I've never read any incontrovertible evidence about the initiation of the fight. While you're at the task of pointing out that Martin wasn't a choir boy, don't forget to mention that Zimmerman had been arrested for assaulting an officer and had a restraining order filed on him for domestic abuse. He was also found to have lied about his finances to obtain a bond. His list goes longer than that.
His guilt in court of a felony is one matter. Your portrayal of him as a victim is another. If Martin was a POS, at the ripe old age of 17, then George Zimmerman was and is turd of galactic proportions. Fucker should have called it in, and stayed put or gone home per the dispatcher's directive. He didn't and wound up on the wrong end of an ass kicking at the hands of kid giving up close to 50 lbs. to him.
And, of course, lost in all the vitriol, conflicting versions of events and imperfect coroboration is the fact that Martin had done nothing to invite the incident. On his way home. Call it feelings all day long if you want to; but if that whole incident doesn't leave you with some sense of tragedy, then we're just different people.
Okay, I'm going to try and offer my perspective on this in as nuanced a way as I can here. Hopefully this makes sense. Going to be a little wordy.
What a lot of people get confused when they hear about systemic racism is this idea that being white AUTOMATICALLY means everything is easier because of it. That isn't how it works.
Just because you are white doesn't mean that everything is automatically easy and just because you are black doesn't mean everything is automatically hard. A lot of people have that misconception and it isn't true.
I don't want to offer my experience as the be all and end all, because I'm a privileged little fuck, but I will relate what I hear from peers and friends as I try to get a better understanding of what it is they go through.
There are really 2 types of racism - there's the conscious/unconscious bias and intentionally/unintentionally offensive things people say and do, which I call confrontational racism, and then there is the systemic portion. Confrontational racism plays into systemic racism, but they are separate things.
A lot of people hear "systemic racism" and immediately get defensive because it sounds like they are being accused of personal racism. That's not at all what it is.
Systemic racism is hard to define, but in essence it's the idea that through no fault of their own the system works worse for some people.
Factors in this:
1. Education. This is a main one, really. Schools in poor areas that have predominantly kids of color get about $1600 less per student than the national mean, whereas schools in poor areas that have predominantly white kids get about $130 less.
Does that "prove" anything? Of course not, but just a factor. Worse educational systems means lesser education means lowered college chances means less income and it becomes a vicious cycle as no one channels funds to the locations in need. A lot of it is due to lower taxes meaning they can't get paid for.
2. Ripple effect from slavery/segregation.
A lot of people think that because these things are over there's no longer an issue. After slavery was ended, uneducated former slaves were sent out into the world with no way to try and adapt and become literate and get jobs and try and "bridge the gap" between themselves and the ruling white upper class. Even though slavery was over, segregation and racism still remained. Jim Crow laws. The inability to vote. Hell, all forms of segregation weren't outlawed until 1968. And with all of these things, it takes time for the impacts to dissolve and the gap to close. For example:
-The net worth of a typical white family is $171,000, and for a black family it's $17,150.
For what it's worth, it's better to use median than average wealth because average wealth is skewed by the zillionaires.
-The average (not median) white family has $929,000, whereas the average black family has $138,000. This is skewed by the Bezos and Gates types.
A lot of this disparity is in home ownership, which for minorities dropped a shit ton after the Great Recession (because those same minorities were more likely to be given subprime loans. I'm just pointing out numbers here, not telling you what they mean in context.
3. Confrontational racism/implicit bias in hiring.
Blacks with college degrees are twice as likely to be unemployed than other graduates. A study found that, with identical resumes, white-sounding names are 50% (aka 1.5 times) more likely to be called back for a job opening than black-sounding names. So it can be harder to find jobs to cut into that gap noted above.
4. Mass incarceration (mostly from war on drugs). To me this is a huge one and it plays directly into police issues.
You can cite crime rates/violent crime rates etc but the fact I'm citing is that black Americans make up 40% of the prison population despite being 13% of the overall population. They typically face longer sentences for the same crimes and a higher chance of being arrested for the same crimes. So it's more likely that black children grow up without guiding influence, often unfairly, which in turn reinforces the very things that lead to mass incarceration and lowered wealth.
This is a vicious cycle. Black people are more likely to be incarcerated which means less guidance for their kids which means those kids without guidance are going to be more likely to engage in those same behaviors which means they will be incarcerated even more, and nothing is really done to try and prevent this. Instead we just point fingers.
These are just some factors that add up into a system that seems rigged.
The biggest misconception is that these factors mean it automatically everything is worse for all black people than it is for all white people. It isn't! It's just an extra element to deal with. There are all other kinds of elements that play into what it means to have privilege.
It is completely possible that, as a white person, you face more difficulties than a black person. The idea of systemic racism is just that it's more likely for minorities to face difficulties. That's literally all it is.
And again, this isn't blaming anybody on this board for this. It's a combination of factors that add up.
Does this make sense? I'm probably not the best person to explain it.
What this post DOES NOT mean: -All white people are privileged. Obviously not true. -All black people are underprivileged. Also obviously not true. -It's always harder for black people than white people. Not true. It can be harder for white people too.
This post is just about a factor in the overall idea that is privilege.
Great post. I especially find interesting the subtle stuff. Similar things can be applied to other groups. There was some study or book out a few years ago that went over all the subtle factors that could affect kids' lives. One area was names, whether applied to white, brown or black kids.
The gist of it was, if you don't care one way or the other, give your kid a traditional English/Protestant/Catholic/Western Euro name and avoid, at all costs, ethnic, "foreign-sounding" or "exotic" names. So, you know, avoid Cedric, Juan Pablo, Maria, Rosa, Kiara, Jada, etc. Avoid stripper names, Ariana, Desiree, Misty, Skyla, Jasmine, etc. As well avoid like the plague the myriad made-up names or the made-up spelling of names. So if you want to name your daughter "Jordan", avoid "Jordyn" and similar derivatives. Avoid, also the completely random "WTF?" names, like "Golden". The point? People, consciously or otherwise, take you less seriously if you have one of those names.
When my Dad graduated from his MBA program in Evanston, Illinois, he had a thought about staying in Chicago. At that time, even with a Northwestern MBA in his hands, a lot of doors were not open for him in Chi Town. His name, incidentally, is quintessentially Hispanic. So, absolute fluency in two languages, former Divsion 1 athlete, tippy top MBA and he found his opportunities were more abundant the closer he got to real Hispanic population centers. It's just the way it was. Don't kid yourself. Most of the white shoe Wall Street lawfirms have a history that relates to the religion you had to be to get in. Skadden Arps was founded by Jewish lawyers who focused on bankruptcy, because that was the "low brow" work Jew laywers could get, and the old money law firms didn't hire Jews. Ask anybody there; it's no secret. So nobody was openly hostile to the old man - not to his face at least. Everybody was polite and nice. But getting those tippy top analyst positions with the big names wasn't going to happen for him there. New York was better, so that's where he went, though in the early 70s that was a lot of work too.
The point of my piling on to this is that there is, and probably always will be, below-the-surface dynamics at play when people interact. Some of it's logical; a lot of it isn't.
One of my problems with this is Skadden Arps was founded in 1948. It isn't 1948 anymore. Same with your dad, it isn't decades ago. If you can't see the massive amount of progress this country has made in racial equality since pick one - Jim Crow, 1948 or when your dad graduated then you are having to use a backwards focus to make racial points about where we are at today. That doesn't mean anything is perfect, but it was getting better.
I know all that. I wasn't making the point that things haven't changed. I was talking about subtle bias of all types in response to another post in the thread.
I believe Savy. But the same genetics that gave him Black skin and the problems he described also gave him rare size and athletic talent that combined with his hard work gives him unlimited opportunity going forward.
Would he trade with a 5 foot 10 130 high school senior who is white?
I agree we try too many one size fits all fixes. Zero tolerance is lazy and stupid. Make calls based on the individual.
America actually discusses race quite a bit. Since I was a youngin. Sometimes its honest sometimes it is not. It is still tough to be a young black male and its better than ever. Everyone is a victim of something or they choose to be a victor. That crosses all races.
I agree with this. I also believe the bolded part. I don't know why black men commit such a disproportionate share of violent crime, and I suspect nobody in this thread does either.
So we've eliminated the role of racism ... because we're in the Tug. Ok, stipulated (for you dullards, that means don't keep arguing the point; you won).
The question that remains is, why? Bob says too many illegitimate births and not enough Dads. Ok, let's stipulate that, too (because it's basically true). If that's a big cause (debatable but plausible), why? Why is the black experience so often that of a broken home and poverty, etc. etc.?
Yeah, Smalls has opportunity because he won the genetic lottery. But most people don't win lotteries ... of any kind. Otherwise, it wouldn't be a lottery.
Westlinn says he'll follow the black kid in the store because statistics. Ok, understood. Does that have an effect on that black kid? That collective experience? Seems like it plays out in contact with the police here and there.
I don't like the race game anymore than the next guy. What's the real driver? Maybe the biggest question: does the Tug think that the black community shouldn't be pissed off? Or, rather, should all of us be pissed off about police brutality? FWIW, the latter is where I lean. We need the cops. But we need them to do a better job sifting through their ranks to sort out the murder boners (props to whomever came up with that one).
America had a fairly large middle class black population years ago, I suggest you look at the cause of it's destruction. You'll find many of the answers.
Or you can just spit it out. I'm lazy.
Destruction of the black family, replacement of the father via welfare, government benefits paying more for unmarried women and more for more children. Planned. Paid for with our tax dollars. This stuff is planned dependency for a voting block.
Black community excommunicates it’s own leaders that tell them the answer to their problems is inward. The left is helping out there now too.
Trayvon wasn't killed because of white privilege or stalking. He died because he was a POS using extreme force on what he thought was a helpless victim. Zimmerman was free to follow whomever he wanted in his neighborhood. Trayvon was made to feel special and hadn't had to face the consequences of prior crimes. Trademark came back after making it home to look for Zimmerman.
Martin was a 17-year old 158 lb string bean. Zimmerman stretches the bounds of the idea of "victim" as used in everyday parlance.
Not only that, but I've never read any incontrovertible evidence about the initiation of the fight. While you're at the task of pointing out that Martin wasn't a choir boy, don't forget to mention that Zimmerman had been arrested for assaulting an officer and had a restraining order filed on him for domestic abuse. He was also found to have lied about his finances to obtain a bond. His list goes longer than that.
His guilt in court of a felony is one matter. Your portrayal of him as a victim is another. If Martin was a POS, at the ripe old age of 17, then George Zimmerman was and is turd of galactic proportions. Fucker should have called it in, and stayed put or gone home per the dispatcher's directive. He didn't and wound up on the wrong end of an ass kicking at the hands of kid giving up close to 50 lbs. to him.
And, of course, lost in all the vitriol, conflicting versions of events and imperfect coroboration is the fact that Martin had done nothing to invite the incident. On his way home. Call it feelings all day long if you want to; but if that whole incident doesn't leave you with some sense of tragedy, then we're just different people.
If only there had been a trial where both sides could have presented their evidence and a jury of George's peers could have come to some kind of decision on it.
I know Trayvon's case didn't end well, but I felt the country learned a lot about the danger and unfairness of racial profiling, and that George Zimmerman was a wannabe loser who stalked a kid for no good reason and got away with homicide because of technicalities.
But for the fact the case had nothing to do with racial profiling, and by "technicalities" you mean every piece of psysical evidence presented in the case, including the eyewitness testimony, then yeah "technicalities."
And the fact that you or I would've probably acted the same way if some fucking loon was stalking one of us and refused to break off, as told by the cops. The case was over-charged by a simpleton prosecutor who mistook the media attention for momentum and evidence. That's the technicality. And the lesser important fact that dead victims can't testify.
You're entitled to your own opinion you're not entitled to your own facts.
What part is not factual, Bob?
And the fact that you or I would've probably acted the same way if some fucking loon was stalking one of us and refused to break off, as told by the cops. The case was over-charged by a simpleton prosecutor who mistook the media attention for momentum and evidence. That's the technicality. And the lesser important fact that dead victims can't testify.
Meanwhile, the nations first black billionaire, BET TV founder has the solution for reparations and long time systemic racism.
Justice for George Floyd is far from the only thing needed the achieve racial equality in the United States, according to BET founder Robert Johnson.
Johnson also believes that the federal government should pay $14 trillion in reparations to black Americans to atone for centuries of systemic racism, Johnson said in a statement published Monday. (Johnson's statement didn't include specific information about where the funds for reparations would come from.) The payments would be the "affirmative action program of all time," and would prevent the country from splitting into two unequal societies, Johnson said during an appearance on CNBC's Squawk Box Monday.
Meanwhile, the nations first black billionaire, BET TV founder has the solution for reparations and long time systemic racism.
Justice for George Floyd is far from the only thing needed the achieve racial equality in the United States, according to BET founder Robert Johnson.
Johnson also believes that the federal government should pay $14 trillion in reparations to black Americans to atone for centuries of systemic racism, Johnson said in a statement published Monday. (Johnson's statement didn't include specific information about where the funds for reparations would come from.) The payments would be the "affirmative action program of all time," and would prevent the country from splitting into two unequal societies, Johnson said during an appearance on CNBC's Squawk Box Monday.
I believe Savy. But the same genetics that gave him Black skin and the problems he described also gave him rare size and athletic talent that combined with his hard work gives him unlimited opportunity going forward.
Would he trade with a 5 foot 10 130 high school senior who is white?
I agree we try too many one size fits all fixes. Zero tolerance is lazy and stupid. Make calls based on the individual.
America actually discusses race quite a bit. Since I was a youngin. Sometimes its honest sometimes it is not. It is still tough to be a young black male and its better than ever. Everyone is a victim of something or they choose to be a victor. That crosses all races.
I agree with this. I also believe the bolded part. I don't know why black men commit such a disproportionate share of violent crime, and I suspect nobody in this thread does either.
So we've eliminated the role of racism ... because we're in the Tug. Ok, stipulated (for you dullards, that means don't keep arguing the point; you won).
The question that remains is, why? Bob says too many illegitimate births and not enough Dads. Ok, let's stipulate that, too (because it's basically true). If that's a big cause (debatable but plausible), why? Why is the black experience so often that of a broken home and poverty, etc. etc.?
Yeah, Smalls has opportunity because he won the genetic lottery. But most people don't win lotteries ... of any kind. Otherwise, it wouldn't be a lottery.
Westlinn says he'll follow the black kid in the store because statistics. Ok, understood. Does that have an effect on that black kid? That collective experience? Seems like it plays out in contact with the police here and there.
I don't like the race game anymore than the next guy. What's the real driver? Maybe the biggest question: does the Tug think that the black community shouldn't be pissed off? Or, rather, should all of us be pissed off about police brutality? FWIW, the latter is where I lean. We need the cops. But we need them to do a better job sifting through their ranks to sort out the murder boners (props to whomever came up with that one).
I think the “why” is the disintegration of the family. This applies to all races. Blacks have a higher incidence of single parent or no parent households than whites and especially Asians (who seem to do very well despite being “people of color). I wonder what percentage people of all races who commit violent crimes come from a similar background. People also might blame poverty caused by racism. I would be more inclined to blame poverty based on the disintegration of the family and a failing education system. Those to things seem to lead to poverty regardless of race.
The “Great Society” policies of the late sixties was a real winner....
But the question still remains, why are black men disproportionately abandoning their families, even when economic status is held constant?
Is it something inherent in black culture? Is it some form of institutionalized oppression? Does the latter influence the former? And furthermore, regardless of what you see the cause being, how the fuck do we fix it?
I think it has more to do with there never being a family in the first place. Meaning Papa wasn’t just a rolling stone. He was never known to be in many instances of a 1 parent household.
There are countless cases of white teens shooting up schools and getting released because of mental illness?
Look up any mass shooting from 2000-2019 white male gets tried and charged but labeled as having a mental illness and will receive treatment instead of Jail for life or the death penalty. That is what I am saying its the court trials and outcomes. If you replace those white teens who did mass shootings and make them african american do you think they will be labeled off with Mental Illness and be given treatment for it?
First of all the overwhelming majority of all school shooters are either killed during the shooting or commit suicide. The Florida school shooter is still awaiting trial in prison not a mental hospital.
Kip Kinkel is in prison for the rest of his life, not a mental institution. You're full of shit.
Some kid in Colorado was found insane. But he hardly “got off”.
The problem Dodgy has is he makes a decent point, then fucks it up with cheery picked anecdotal data and hyperbole.
As far as calling cops on people for dumb stuff, it happens quite often to everyone. Especially in the age of Karen. But most “victims” assume the person is an asshole doesn’t call the press. I said before in this thread maybe white privilege is when someone is being a dick to you, you have the privilege to assume the person is a dick rather than a racist.
I’ll be wrong if I’m wrong I don’t have a problem saying that. What I am saying is you can’t deny white people are treated better than black people in this country. But what isn’t logic and statistics is there is a portion of our community that is hurting and it is clear that they are. I will go to them because it is more important to me that they as humans are heard and action is taken rather relying on statistics from 2012-2015.. I can get over myself long enough to make sure a fellow human can heal. Us as humans for some reason love to use logistical deductive reasoning to place a narrative and title to someone’s story rather than listen and understand. All I am saying is if you flip it and it’s a white person protest because of racism I would hope that the African Americans and other races would come around me for support. But I don’t have to I can turn this off, I can leave our discussion and kick back and watch a movie and disregard what is happening in the world, and I know you’re not racist and this board we like to fuck around and play devil advocate and the like. I don’t give a shit what motives are had there will be some who use it for attention and some who will be genuine but this culture and generation is so use to be fake and being something we are now online that we can smell unauthentic people from a mile away so I’m not worried about that. What I am worried about is it seems that what was fought for in the 60s still seems to be fought for in 2020 and as evolved as we should be by now it’s sad.
There are countless cases of white teens shooting up schools and getting released because of mental illness?
Look up any mass shooting from 2000-2019 white male gets tried and charged but labeled as having a mental illness and will receive treatment instead of Jail for life or the death penalty. That is what I am saying its the court trials and outcomes. If you replace those white teens who did mass shootings and make them african american do you think they will be labeled off with Mental Illness and be given treatment for it?
First of all the overwhelming majority of all school shooters are either killed during the shooting or commit suicide. The Florida school shooter is still awaiting trial in prison not a mental hospital.
Kip Kinkel is in prison for the rest of his life, not a mental institution. You're full of shit.
Some kid in Colorado was found insane. But he hardly “got off”.
The problem Dodgy has is he makes a decent point, then fucks it up with cheery picked anecdotal data and hyperbole.
As far as calling cops on people for dumb stuff, it happens quite often to everyone. Especially in the age of Karen. But most “victims” assume the person is an asshole doesn’t call the press. I said before in this thread maybe white privilege is when someone is being a dick to you, you have the privilege to assume the person is a dick rather than a racist.
I’ll be wrong if I’m wrong I don’t have a problem saying that. What I am saying is you can’t deny white people are treated better than black people in this country. But what isn’t logic and statistics is there is a portion of our community that is hurting and it is clear that they are. I will go to them because it is more important to me that they as humans are heard and action is taken rather relying on statistics from 2012-2015.. I can get over myself long enough to make sure a fellow human can heal. Us as humans for some reason love to use logistical deductive reasoning to place a narrative and title to someone’s story rather than listen and understand. All I am saying is if you flip it and it’s a white person protest because of racism I would hope that the African Americans and other races would come around me for support. But I don’t have to I can turn this off, I can leave our discussion and kick back and watch a movie and disregard what is happening in the world, and I know you’re not racist and this board we like to fuck around and play devil advocate and the like. I don’t give a shit what motives are had there will be some who use it for attention and some who will be genuine but this culture and generation is so use to be fake and being something we are now online that we can smell unauthentic people from a mile away so I’m not worried about that. What I am worried about is it seems that what was fought for in the 60s still seems to be fought for in 2020 and as evolved as we should be by now it’s sad.
Translation: Never mind that everything I said about white males who engage in mass shootings was pure bullshit, let me lay on you another raft of dishonest and barely coherent gibberish.
Dispatcher: Are you following him? Zimmerman: Yeah. Dispatcher: Okay, we don't need you to do that. Zimmerman: Okay. Then keeps following him.
Call Transcript. Facts Bobby. Not Bullshit.
Is it bullshit that Zimmerman is a fucking loser lunatic? Difference of opinions? Maybe. Bullshit? Uh, no.
Dispatcher isn't a cop. The "cops" never told him to do shit. And he actually did "break off" after the "cop" told him he didn't need to follow.
You're pulling claims out of your ass.
Dispatcher works for and in tandem with, the cops, Ass-Hair-Splitter.
Zimmerman provoked the entire thing. I'd have wanted to kick that pudgy faggots ass, too.
Non-emergency phone operator isn't the "cops" and doesn't have the authority of the "cops" which was the reason why you brought it up in the first place. You also conveniently omit that Zimmerman did stop running after Trademark after the phone call. How many times would you allow me to smash your head against the sidewalk before you responded with lethal force?
Dispatcher: Are you following him? Zimmerman: Yeah. Dispatcher: Okay, we don't need you to do that. Zimmerman: Okay. Then keeps following him.
Call Transcript. Facts Bobby. Not Bullshit.
Is it bullshit that Zimmerman is a fucking loser lunatic? Difference of opinions? Maybe. Bullshit? Uh, no.
Dispatcher isn't a cop. The "cops" never told him to do shit. And he actually did "break off" after the "cop" told him he didn't need to follow.
You're pulling claims out of your ass.
Dispatcher works for and in tandem with, the cops, Ass-Hair-Splitter.
Zimmerman provoked the entire thing. I'd have wanted to kick that pudgy faggots ass, too.
Non-emergency phone operator isn't the "cops" and doesn't have the authority of the "cops" which was the reason why you brought it up in the first place. You also conveniently omit that Zimmerman did stop running after Trademark after the phone call. How many times would you allow me to smash your head against the sidewalk before you responded with lethal force?
Most people would take the early hint and fuck off, instead of stalking a teenager like a pedophile.
The Trayvon case is textbook racial profiling, period. Argue all you want about Poor Georgie who, once again, provoked the encounter by stalking the kid like a creepy asshole.
Okay, I'm going to try and offer my perspective on this in as nuanced a way as I can here. Hopefully this makes sense. Going to be a little wordy.
What a lot of people get confused when they hear about systemic racism is this idea that being white AUTOMATICALLY means everything is easier because of it. That isn't how it works.
Just because you are white doesn't mean that everything is automatically easy and just because you are black doesn't mean everything is automatically hard. A lot of people have that misconception and it isn't true.
I don't want to offer my experience as the be all and end all, because I'm a privileged little fuck, but I will relate what I hear from peers and friends as I try to get a better understanding of what it is they go through.
There are really 2 types of racism - there's the conscious/unconscious bias and intentionally/unintentionally offensive things people say and do, which I call confrontational racism, and then there is the systemic portion. Confrontational racism plays into systemic racism, but they are separate things.
A lot of people hear "systemic racism" and immediately get defensive because it sounds like they are being accused of personal racism. That's not at all what it is.
Systemic racism is hard to define, but in essence it's the idea that through no fault of their own the system works worse for some people.
Factors in this:
1. Education. This is a main one, really. Schools in poor areas that have predominantly kids of color get about $1600 less per student than the national mean, whereas schools in poor areas that have predominantly white kids get about $130 less.
Does that "prove" anything? Of course not, but just a factor. Worse educational systems means lesser education means lowered college chances means less income and it becomes a vicious cycle as no one channels funds to the locations in need. A lot of it is due to lower taxes meaning they can't get paid for.
2. Ripple effect from slavery/segregation.
A lot of people think that because these things are over there's no longer an issue. After slavery was ended, uneducated former slaves were sent out into the world with no way to try and adapt and become literate and get jobs and try and "bridge the gap" between themselves and the ruling white upper class. Even though slavery was over, segregation and racism still remained. Jim Crow laws. The inability to vote. Hell, all forms of segregation weren't outlawed until 1968. And with all of these things, it takes time for the impacts to dissolve and the gap to close. For example:
-The net worth of a typical white family is $171,000, and for a black family it's $17,150.
For what it's worth, it's better to use median than average wealth because average wealth is skewed by the zillionaires.
-The average (not median) white family has $929,000, whereas the average black family has $138,000. This is skewed by the Bezos and Gates types.
A lot of this disparity is in home ownership, which for minorities dropped a shit ton after the Great Recession (because those same minorities were more likely to be given subprime loans. I'm just pointing out numbers here, not telling you what they mean in context.
3. Confrontational racism/implicit bias in hiring.
Blacks with college degrees are twice as likely to be unemployed than other graduates. A study found that, with identical resumes, white-sounding names are 50% (aka 1.5 times) more likely to be called back for a job opening than black-sounding names. So it can be harder to find jobs to cut into that gap noted above.
4. Mass incarceration (mostly from war on drugs). To me this is a huge one and it plays directly into police issues.
You can cite crime rates/violent crime rates etc but the fact I'm citing is that black Americans make up 40% of the prison population despite being 13% of the overall population. They typically face longer sentences for the same crimes and a higher chance of being arrested for the same crimes. So it's more likely that black children grow up without guiding influence, often unfairly, which in turn reinforces the very things that lead to mass incarceration and lowered wealth.
This is a vicious cycle. Black people are more likely to be incarcerated which means less guidance for their kids which means those kids without guidance are going to be more likely to engage in those same behaviors which means they will be incarcerated even more, and nothing is really done to try and prevent this. Instead we just point fingers.
These are just some factors that add up into a system that seems rigged.
The biggest misconception is that these factors mean it automatically everything is worse for all black people than it is for all white people. It isn't! It's just an extra element to deal with. There are all other kinds of elements that play into what it means to have privilege.
It is completely possible that, as a white person, you face more difficulties than a black person. The idea of systemic racism is just that it's more likely for minorities to face difficulties. That's literally all it is.
And again, this isn't blaming anybody on this board for this. It's a combination of factors that add up.
Does this make sense? I'm probably not the best person to explain it.
What this post DOES NOT mean: -All white people are privileged. Obviously not true. -All black people are underprivileged. Also obviously not true. -It's always harder for black people than white people. Not true. It can be harder for white people too.
This post is just about a factor in the overall idea that is privilege.
You didn't mention red people so you are a fucking racist and I hate you. Just kidding. Nice to see our younger folks employing some critical thinking skills. Come visit me in the trailer park. I will give you drugs.
There are countless cases of white teens shooting up schools and getting released because of mental illness?
Look up any mass shooting from 2000-2019 white male gets tried and charged but labeled as having a mental illness and will receive treatment instead of Jail for life or the death penalty. That is what I am saying its the court trials and outcomes. If you replace those white teens who did mass shootings and make them african american do you think they will be labeled off with Mental Illness and be given treatment for it?
First of all the overwhelming majority of all school shooters are either killed during the shooting or commit suicide. The Florida school shooter is still awaiting trial in prison not a mental hospital.
Kip Kinkel is in prison for the rest of his life, not a mental institution. You're full of shit.
Some kid in Colorado was found insane. But he hardly “got off”.
The problem Dodgy has is he makes a decent point, then fucks it up with cheery picked anecdotal data and hyperbole.
As far as calling cops on people for dumb stuff, it happens quite often to everyone. Especially in the age of Karen. But most “victims” assume the person is an asshole doesn’t call the press. I said before in this thread maybe white privilege is when someone is being a dick to you, you have the privilege to assume the person is a dick rather than a racist.
I’ll be wrong if I’m wrong I don’t have a problem saying that. What I am saying is you can’t deny white people are treated better than black people in this country. But what isn’t logic and statistics is there is a portion of our community that is hurting and it is clear that they are. I will go to them because it is more important to me that they as humans are heard and action is taken rather relying on statistics from 2012-2015.. I can get over myself long enough to make sure a fellow human can heal. Us as humans for some reason love to use logistical deductive reasoning to place a narrative and title to someone’s story rather than listen and understand. All I am saying is if you flip it and it’s a white person protest because of racism I would hope that the African Americans and other races would come around me for support. But I don’t have to I can turn this off, I can leave our discussion and kick back and watch a movie and disregard what is happening in the world, and I know you’re not racist and this board we like to fuck around and play devil advocate and the like. I don’t give a shit what motives are had there will be some who use it for attention and some who will be genuine but this culture and generation is so use to be fake and being something we are now online that we can smell unauthentic people from a mile away so I’m not worried about that. What I am worried about is it seems that what was fought for in the 60s still seems to be fought for in 2020 and as evolved as we should be by now it’s sad.
So not countless white school mass shooters getting off because the are mentally ill?
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Kip Kinkel is in prison for the rest of his life, not a mental institution. You're full of shit.
Some kid in Colorado was found insane. But he hardly “got off”.
The problem Dodgy has is he makes a decent point, then fucks it up with cheery picked anecdotal data and hyperbole.
As far as calling cops on people for dumb stuff, it happens quite often to everyone. Especially in the age of Karen. But most “victims” assume the person is an asshole doesn’t call the press. I said before in this thread maybe white privilege is when someone is being a dick to you, you have the privilege to assume the person is a dick rather than a racist.
Killing a rival gangbanger over turf makes you a ghetto shithead.
Not only that, but I've never read any incontrovertible evidence about the initiation of the fight. While you're at the task of pointing out that Martin wasn't a choir boy, don't forget to mention that Zimmerman had been arrested for assaulting an officer and had a restraining order filed on him for domestic abuse. He was also found to have lied about his finances to obtain a bond. His list goes longer than that.
His guilt in court of a felony is one matter. Your portrayal of him as a victim is another. If Martin was a POS, at the ripe old age of 17, then George Zimmerman was and is turd of galactic proportions. Fucker should have called it in, and stayed put or gone home per the dispatcher's directive. He didn't and wound up on the wrong end of an ass kicking at the hands of kid giving up close to 50 lbs. to him.
And, of course, lost in all the vitriol, conflicting versions of events and imperfect coroboration is the fact that Martin had done nothing to invite the incident. On his way home. Call it feelings all day long if you want to; but if that whole incident doesn't leave you with some sense of tragedy, then we're just different people.
Two lines of bullshit right there.
Zimmerman: Yeah.
Dispatcher: Okay, we don't need you to do that.
Zimmerman: Okay.
Then keeps following him.
Call Transcript. Facts Bobby. Not Bullshit.
Is it bullshit that Zimmerman is a fucking loser lunatic? Difference of opinions? Maybe. Bullshit? Uh, no.
You're pulling claims out of your ass.
Justice for George Floyd is far from the only thing needed the achieve racial equality in the United States, according to BET founder Robert Johnson.
Johnson also believes that the federal government should pay $14 trillion in reparations to black Americans to atone for centuries of systemic racism, Johnson said in a statement published Monday. (Johnson's statement didn't include specific information about where the funds for reparations would come from.) The payments would be the "affirmative action program of all time," and would prevent the country from splitting into two unequal societies, Johnson said during an appearance on CNBC's Squawk Box Monday.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/bet-founder-robert-johnson-slavery-reparations-george-floyd-murder-protests-2020-6?amp
The problem Dodgy has is he makes a decent point, then fucks it up with cheery picked anecdotal data and hyperbole.
As far as calling cops on people for dumb stuff, it happens quite often to everyone. Especially in the age of Karen. But most “victims” assume the person is an asshole doesn’t call the press. I said before in this thread maybe white privilege is when someone is being a dick to you, you have the privilege to assume the person is a dick rather than a racist.
I’ll be wrong if I’m wrong I don’t have a problem saying that. What I am saying is you can’t deny white people are treated better than black people in this country. But what isn’t logic and statistics is there is a portion of our community that is hurting and it is clear that they are. I will go to them because it is more important to me that they as humans are heard and action is taken rather relying on statistics from 2012-2015.. I can get over myself long enough to make sure a fellow human can heal. Us as humans for some reason love to use logistical deductive reasoning to place a narrative and title to someone’s story rather than listen and understand. All I am saying is if you flip it and it’s a white person protest because of racism I would hope that the African Americans and other races would come around me for support. But I don’t have to I can turn this off, I can leave our discussion and kick back and watch a movie and disregard what is happening in the world, and I know you’re not racist and this board we like to fuck around and play devil advocate and the like. I don’t give a shit what motives are had there will be some who use it for attention and some who will be genuine but this culture and generation is so use to be fake and being something we are now online that we can smell unauthentic people from a mile away so I’m not worried about that. What I am worried about is it seems that what was fought for in the 60s still seems to be fought for in 2020 and as evolved as we should be by now it’s sad.
Zimmerman provoked the entire thing. I'd have wanted to kick that pudgy faggots ass, too.
Translation: Never mind that everything I said about white males who engage in mass shootings was pure bullshit, let me lay on you another raft of dishonest and barely coherent gibberish.
Meth and Fentanyl in his system.
The Trayvon case is textbook racial profiling, period. Argue all you want about Poor Georgie who, once again, provoked the encounter by stalking the kid like a creepy asshole.
So not countless white school mass shooters getting off because the are mentally ill?