Systemic racism
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I’m a 6’5 250 former army rangerTurdBomber said:
Fuck Off, Pipsqueak.WilburHooksHands said:
lolTurdBomber said:
Talk is cheap. How about some proof? Or are you gonna be like @GDS?WilburHooksHands said:
at least your handle is on point from shitting all over this threadTurdBomber said:
"Offender Scores" are earned under standardized sentencing laws. Judges barely have any discretion in the matters since the 1980s and 1990s sentencing reforms. More criminal history means longer sentences for the supposedly "same" crimes. This is a stupid argument made by stupid people.MikeDamone said:
The argument is they get charged more severely for less serious crimes or charges when others would be not charged at all. Also harsher sentences for the same crimes. I think the harsher sentence part is true.Fire_Marshall_Bill said:
Blacks commit way over 40 perent of crime. I think it might be low 50s. I don't have time to look it up. I suppose it's somehow white people's fault though. Oppression and shit.WilburHooksHands said:Mass incarceration and disproportionately severe sentencing is a good example of systematic racism. The “criminal justice system,” as absolutely everyone refers to it by, is a prime example.
But what's also true is black men commit over 50% of all homicides. That stat can't be skewed by DA and judges.
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Stop before I hurt your feelings.WilburHooksHands said:
I’m a 6’5 250 former army rangerTurdBomber said:
Fuck Off, Pipsqueak.WilburHooksHands said:
lolTurdBomber said:
Talk is cheap. How about some proof? Or are you gonna be like @GDS?WilburHooksHands said:
at least your handle is on point from shitting all over this threadTurdBomber said:
"Offender Scores" are earned under standardized sentencing laws. Judges barely have any discretion in the matters since the 1980s and 1990s sentencing reforms. More criminal history means longer sentences for the supposedly "same" crimes. This is a stupid argument made by stupid people.MikeDamone said:
The argument is they get charged more severely for less serious crimes or charges when others would be not charged at all. Also harsher sentences for the same crimes. I think the harsher sentence part is true.Fire_Marshall_Bill said:
Blacks commit way over 40 perent of crime. I think it might be low 50s. I don't have time to look it up. I suppose it's somehow white people's fault though. Oppression and shit.WilburHooksHands said:Mass incarceration and disproportionately severe sentencing is a good example of systematic racism. The “criminal justice system,” as absolutely everyone refers to it by, is a prime example.
But what's also true is black men commit over 50% of all homicides. That stat can't be skewed by DA and judges.
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This isn't meant to be an oppression Olympics post... but complaining because someone followed you in a store or a girl turned away from you is some intern level racism experienced shit. To then blame an entire group of people, or even an entire county, that overwhelmingly disagrees with those interactions occurring is fucking stupid.
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Strong POTD Nominee.Houhusky said:No doubt racism occurs but its really on you if you use individual interactions to make broad sweeping generalizations on other parties not involved to justify your shitty behavior or mentality.
Im a large white guy (bigger than Smalls) Ive had my fair share of women shy away from me while I was running to rowboat practice on the Burke Gilman before sunrise. Ive had the cops called on me because I was running through a neighborhood at night. It happens when you are a big scary dude in the top 1-2% height percentile and look like you could crush someones skull because you are working out in college. People were constantly surprised I was taking aerospace engineering classes at UW because I was supposed to be just a big dumbfuck jock like Lockner... Those interactions had nothing to do with race, just dumb people making dumb assumptions.
As far as actual explicitly racist interactions...
I was once kicked out of the UW EOP because "you dont look like you need to be here" and "your people have your own space"
I lived in China for a few months, I was denied service at multiple restaurants explicitly because I was white and even spit on for being a sneaky white devil when I went with some chinese national on a date.
I've traveled a lot in central and south America, despite speaking pretty fluent Spanish, I still get scammed and pay the gringo prices in most markets.
I traveled with my non whitewifehusband through rural southern Africa, we were held up by a corrupt cop who then accused me of trafficking her and then proceeded to demand an reparation fee at gunpoint from me because I was a white man with a non white.
This isn't meant to be an oppression Olympics post... but complaining because someone followed you in a store or a girl turned away from you is some intern level racism experienced shit. To then blame an entire group of people, or even an entire county, that overwhelmingly disagrees with those interactions occurring is fucking stupid.
TLDR: In the end, If you treat every shitty interaction from someone who looks different from you as a product of your own race you are naturally going to start thinking everyone who looks different than you is racist. What do you think it does person a person to constantly be told, "(this group) is hunting you"? It creates prejudiced "victims" trapped in their own mental prison. There are shitty people everywhere, some are racist, some are just shitty... The US has far fewer percentage of both than other countries. Smalls is right about one thing, you will never reach the bar set by shitty people and racists, but part of being an adult is being comfortable with the bar you set for yourself, living your life, and letting others go fuck themselves.
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One of the things that bothered me about Obama was he and his wife's citation of incidents like these in order to say that even they had been victims of racism in America.
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In fairness to Obama, anytime he said anything about race, he was either gonna catch arrows in the chest or arrows in the back.SFGbob said:One of the things that bothered me about Obama was he and his wife's citation of incidents like these in order to say that even they had been victims of racism in America.
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the cocaine already didTurdBomber said:
Stop before I hurt your feelings.WilburHooksHands said:
I’m a 6’5 250 former army rangerTurdBomber said:
Fuck Off, Pipsqueak.WilburHooksHands said:
lolTurdBomber said:
Talk is cheap. How about some proof? Or are you gonna be like @GDS?WilburHooksHands said:
at least your handle is on point from shitting all over this threadTurdBomber said:
"Offender Scores" are earned under standardized sentencing laws. Judges barely have any discretion in the matters since the 1980s and 1990s sentencing reforms. More criminal history means longer sentences for the supposedly "same" crimes. This is a stupid argument made by stupid people.MikeDamone said:
The argument is they get charged more severely for less serious crimes or charges when others would be not charged at all. Also harsher sentences for the same crimes. I think the harsher sentence part is true.Fire_Marshall_Bill said:
Blacks commit way over 40 perent of crime. I think it might be low 50s. I don't have time to look it up. I suppose it's somehow white people's fault though. Oppression and shit.WilburHooksHands said:Mass incarceration and disproportionately severe sentencing is a good example of systematic racism. The “criminal justice system,” as absolutely everyone refers to it by, is a prime example.
But what's also true is black men commit over 50% of all homicides. That stat can't be skewed by DA and judges.
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I’d had that conversion before as well. What’s described as a racist encounter is really just a person being an asshole. I think that’s white privileged. When a white person is treated poorly by a rude asshole it’s because we think the person is an asshole. When a black person is treated poorly, it’s racism..
Case in point https://www.insider.com/georgia-lawmaker-publix-fight-go-back-where-you-came-from-2019-7 -
Great post. I especially find interesting the subtle stuff. Similar things can be applied to other groups. There was some study or book out a few years ago that went over all the subtle factors that could affect kids' lives. One area was names, whether applied to white, brown or black kids.jhfstyle24 said:Okay, I'm going to try and offer my perspective on this in as nuanced a way as I can here. Hopefully this makes sense. Going to be a little wordy.
What a lot of people get confused when they hear about systemic racism is this idea that being white AUTOMATICALLY means everything is easier because of it. That isn't how it works.
Just because you are white doesn't mean that everything is automatically easy and just because you are black doesn't mean everything is automatically hard. A lot of people have that misconception and it isn't true.
I don't want to offer my experience as the be all and end all, because I'm a privileged little fuck, but I will relate what I hear from peers and friends as I try to get a better understanding of what it is they go through.
There are really 2 types of racism - there's the conscious/unconscious bias and intentionally/unintentionally offensive things people say and do, which I call confrontational racism, and then there is the systemic portion. Confrontational racism plays into systemic racism, but they are separate things.
A lot of people hear "systemic racism" and immediately get defensive because it sounds like they are being accused of personal racism. That's not at all what it is.
Systemic racism is hard to define, but in essence it's the idea that through no fault of their own the system works worse for some people.
Factors in this:
1. Education. This is a main one, really. Schools in poor areas that have predominantly kids of color get about $1600 less per student than the national mean, whereas schools in poor areas that have predominantly white kids get about $130 less.
Does that "prove" anything? Of course not, but just a factor. Worse educational systems means lesser education means lowered college chances means less income and it becomes a vicious cycle as no one channels funds to the locations in need. A lot of it is due to lower taxes meaning they can't get paid for.
2. Ripple effect from slavery/segregation.
A lot of people think that because these things are over there's no longer an issue. After slavery was ended, uneducated former slaves were sent out into the world with no way to try and adapt and become literate and get jobs and try and "bridge the gap" between themselves and the ruling white upper class. Even though slavery was over, segregation and racism still remained. Jim Crow laws. The inability to vote. Hell, all forms of segregation weren't outlawed until 1968. And with all of these things, it takes time for the impacts to dissolve and the gap to close. For example:
-The net worth of a typical white family is $171,000, and for a black family it's $17,150.
For what it's worth, it's better to use median than average wealth because average wealth is skewed by the zillionaires.
-The average (not median) white family has $929,000, whereas the average black family has $138,000. This is skewed by the Bezos and Gates types.
A lot of this disparity is in home ownership, which for minorities dropped a shit ton after the Great Recession (because those same minorities were more likely to be given subprime loans. I'm just pointing out numbers here, not telling you what they mean in context.
3. Confrontational racism/implicit bias in hiring.
Blacks with college degrees are twice as likely to be unemployed than other graduates. A study found that, with identical resumes, white-sounding names are 50% (aka 1.5 times) more likely to be called back for a job opening than black-sounding names. So it can be harder to find jobs to cut into that gap noted above.
4. Mass incarceration (mostly from war on drugs). To me this is a huge one and it plays directly into police issues.
You can cite crime rates/violent crime rates etc but the fact I'm citing is that black Americans make up 40% of the prison population despite being 13% of the overall population. They typically face longer sentences for the same crimes and a higher chance of being arrested for the same crimes. So it's more likely that black children grow up without guiding influence, often unfairly, which in turn reinforces the very things that lead to mass incarceration and lowered wealth.
This is a vicious cycle. Black people are more likely to be incarcerated which means less guidance for their kids which means those kids without guidance are going to be more likely to engage in those same behaviors which means they will be incarcerated even more, and nothing is really done to try and prevent this. Instead we just point fingers.
These are just some factors that add up into a system that seems rigged.
The biggest misconception is that these factors mean it automatically everything is worse for all black people than it is for all white people. It isn't! It's just an extra element to deal with. There are all other kinds of elements that play into what it means to have privilege.
It is completely possible that, as a white person, you face more difficulties than a black person. The idea of systemic racism is just that it's more likely for minorities to face difficulties. That's literally all it is.
And again, this isn't blaming anybody on this board for this. It's a combination of factors that add up.
Does this make sense? I'm probably not the best person to explain it.
What this post DOES NOT mean:
-All white people are privileged. Obviously not true.
-All black people are underprivileged. Also obviously not true.
-It's always harder for black people than white people. Not true. It can be harder for white people too.
This post is just about a factor in the overall idea that is privilege.
The gist of it was, if you don't care one way or the other, give your kid a traditional English/Protestant/Catholic/Western Euro name and avoid, at all costs, ethnic, "foreign-sounding" or "exotic" names. So, you know, avoid Cedric, Juan Pablo, Maria, Rosa, Kiara, Jada, etc. Avoid stripper names, Ariana, Desiree, Misty, Skyla, Jasmine, etc. As well avoid like the plague the myriad made-up names or the made-up spelling of names. So if you want to name your daughter "Jordan", avoid "Jordyn" and similar derivatives. Avoid, also the completely random "WTF?" names, like "Golden". The point? People, consciously or otherwise, take you less seriously if you have one of those names.
When my Dad graduated from his MBA program in Evanston, Illinois, he had a thought about staying in Chicago. At that time, even with a Northwestern MBA in his hands, a lot of doors were not open for him in Chi Town. His name, incidentally, is quintessentially Hispanic. So, absolute fluency in two languages, former Divsion 1 athlete, tippy top MBA and he found his opportunities were more abundant the closer he got to real Hispanic population centers. It's just the way it was. Don't kid yourself. Most of the white shoe Wall Street lawfirms have a history that relates to the religion you had to be to get in. Skadden Arps was founded by Jewish lawyers who focused on bankruptcy, because that was the "low brow" work Jew laywers could get, and the old money law firms didn't hire Jews. Ask anybody there; it's no secret. So nobody was openly hostile to the old man - not to his face at least. Everybody was polite and nice. But getting those tippy top analyst positions with the big names wasn't going to happen for him there. New York was better, so that's where he went, though in the early 70s that was a lot of work too.
The point of my piling on to this is that there is, and probably always will be, below-the-surface dynamics at play when people interact. Some of it's logical; a lot of it isn't.
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TurdBomber said:
"Offender Scores" are earned under standardized sentencing laws. Judges barely have any discretion in the matters since the 1980s and 1990s sentencing reforms. More criminal history means longer sentences for the supposedly "same" crimes. This is a stupid argument made by stupid people.MikeDamone said:
The argument is they get charged more severely for less serious crimes or charges when others would be not charged at all. Also harsher sentences for the same crimes. I think the harsher sentence part is true.Fire_Marshall_Bill said:
Blacks commit way over 40 perent of crime. I think it might be low 50s. I don't have time to look it up. I suppose it's somehow white people's fault though. Oppression and shit.WilburHooksHands said:Mass incarceration and disproportionately severe sentencing is a good example of systematic racism. The “criminal justice system,” as absolutely everyone refers to it by, is a prime example.
But what's also true is black men commit over 50% of all homicides. That stat can't be skewed by DA and judges.
That's true.
