Taking the temperature of the room
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2.2 trillion spending spree. Trump is part of the establishment.RaceBannon said:
WrongMikeDamone said:
420-1 is standing up for what you believe in. Not going along to get along like jumping on $2./ trillion and shilling for big pharma. But trump is anti establishment. He has the emotional types convinced. TDS goes both ways.pawz said:
Disagree and disagree.MikeDamone said:
Trump cares about signing 2.2 trillion in spending and shilling for big pharma. That we knowRaceBannon said:Trump cares. Don't overplay your hand
If Massie has the balls to get in a fight and win I'll vote for him
Massie has huge balls. Big enough to stand 420-1. The trump crowd wants no part of him. He doesn't hand out cash and goodies.
It would take bigger balls to be the deciding, dissenting vote when yore* party's agenda is on the line. See: Manchin, Joe.
420-1 is pure tokenism.
IMO, you have the Trump crowd all wrong. All wrong.
If you believe Trump acted with the establishment or not, the perception by his most ardent supporters is he is the populist, antiestablishment candidate fighting against the establishment.
This is supported moreover by the fact the establishment HATES him. They hate him because he's an outsider in their world. He's not one of them who will toe the line. Thus, the establishment is the greatest ingrates of all-tim, or they know something you don't.
If you still want to believe he is in the big tent .....
Facts don't care about your feelings.
The establishment loves trump. He greased their palms like they do. Defend his spending without sounding like a shill. You can't
Its not his spending anymore than it's Biden's
Basic civics are lost in this country
People do hate libertarians and do want to vote for representatives that spend lots of money
Agree there
Look at the deficit under St Reagan
Buying votes is as old as time
DeSantis is going to end social security and kill grandma
If Massie has balls then run and make the argument
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I don’t have strong opinion on abortion, but I do know that when you tell your voters since the 1970’s that you are fighting to overturn it, you jump on that opportunity when it presents itself. No guarantee that a year from now that the judges are all alive, or that there aren’t 13 of them.Kaepsknee said:
I hear ya. But Covid and the tumbling of the dominoes from there has made the Federal Government stronger than it has ever been, in the History of our Union.Bob_C said:I really just want to end the fed, end government overreach and end massive government corruption. The easiest for all three is cut off the money.
And the Blue states did most of the dirty work to get there.
Dems are team players.
The RNC is a rudderless ship that either didn’t think to reach out to Bible Belt states and say “cool your jets on abortion laws until after the election”, or they were just so clueless to not think about it.
I’m taking the latter -250.
The GOP does suck at messaging though. -
The GOP establishment hated Reagan for harnessing the revival of the 70s into the landslide of the 80s
Never have been comfortable with the fundie wing -
Folks wanted to burn Reagan at the stake up until about 1982. As it wasn’t until then, that the country started to turn around. And Boy Howdy, did it. Reagan had great advisors all around him. Guys that had connections and had been through all of the political wars and knew how to leverage their power.RaceBannon said:The GOP establishment hated Reagan for harnessing the revival of the 70s into the landslide of the 80s
Never have been comfortable with the fundie wing
And He needed every one of them, because after around mid 1985, the dementia was starting to win. But the Reagan Revolution marched on despite that.
Trump never expected to win in 2016. And therefore was behind the sticks and appointed anyone who would take the job. -
It’s the economy, stupid.
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I believe Republicans blew it with the roe thing. Which is how you know they don't really want to win
It will end up a perfect deadlock just how everyone in Washington loves it -
Should they have publicly proclaimed that they reject the SC decision?Pitchfork51 said:I believe Republicans blew it with the roe thing. Which is how you know they don't really want to win
It will end up a perfect deadlock just how everyone in Washington loves it -
They shouldnt have nominated those justices if they knew it would screw them over
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That's like saying, we should not have won the championship if we knew it was going to hurt recruiting next yearPitchfork51 said:They shouldnt have nominated those justices if they knew it would screw them over
Maybe don't run shitty campaigns??? -
So promise for decades to do it then don't and that's a winnerPitchfork51 said:They shouldnt have nominated those justices if they knew it would screw them over
Right
As already shown here abortion isn't the problem
Gutless losers are
Attack attack attack
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Had we nominated 3 more Roberts justices, we'd be in full on totalitarianism right now.RaceBannon said:
So promise for decades to do it then don't and that's a winnerPitchfork51 said:They shouldnt have nominated those justices if they knew it would screw them over
Right
As already shown here abortion isn't the problem
Gutless losers are
Attack attack attack
Or do nothing and lose -
Can’t give enough Chins!!!RaceBannon said:
So promise for decades to do it then don't and that's a winnerPitchfork51 said:They shouldnt have nominated those justices if they knew it would screw them over
Right
As already shown here abortion isn't the problem
Gutless losers are
Attack attack attack
Or do nothing and lose
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SMH.MikeDamone said:
So either you're full of shit or she wants the baby. She has/had many opportunities for an abortion in Texas and out.Prestonluv said:
Cmon man. If we don’t t the religious peeps piping in than it’s not overturned. Even if overturning it technically isn’t a religious issue the process of getting it overturned is definitely spearheaded by the religious right.MikeDamone said:Prestonluv said:Overturning Roe vs Wade was just stupid for a plethora of reasons.
Namely the poor being the people who have too many babies in the first place. Now they will have more.
Just stupid. As a conservative I get upset when politicians let religion dictate policy.
This only hurts the right in the long run and rightfully so.
I find it fascinating that people think abortion is a religious issue. Simp thinking. @creepycoug am I right?Prestonluv said:Overturning Roe vs Wade was just stupid for a plethora of reasons.
Namely the poor being the people who have too many babies in the first place. Now they will have more.
Just stupid. As a conservative I get upset when politicians let religion dictate policy.
This only hurts the right in the long run and rightfully so.
My daughter lives in Texas and got raped. I’m going to be a grandpa now. Can’t wait.
I’m just making a point.
Here is another travesty.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/la-woman-denied-an-abortion-for-fetus-without-skull-says-shell-seek-the-procedure-out-of-state-201409661.html -
If Ben Crump is involved...
Davis said her doctors were unsure if they could legally perform the abortion due to Louisiana’s law, which states that abortion is banned except to prevent the patient's death or in cases of "substantial risk of death due to a physical condition, or to prevent the serious, permanent impairment of a life-sustaining organ of a pregnant woman."
According to the Louisiana Department of Health, the ban has exemptions for "medically futile" pregnancies, which include a number of fetal abnormalities.
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You made a point by lying? TypicalPrestonluv said:
SMH.MikeDamone said:
So either you're full of shit or she wants the baby. She has/had many opportunities for an abortion in Texas and out.Prestonluv said:
Cmon man. If we don’t t the religious peeps piping in than it’s not overturned. Even if overturning it technically isn’t a religious issue the process of getting it overturned is definitely spearheaded by the religious right.MikeDamone said:Prestonluv said:Overturning Roe vs Wade was just stupid for a plethora of reasons.
Namely the poor being the people who have too many babies in the first place. Now they will have more.
Just stupid. As a conservative I get upset when politicians let religion dictate policy.
This only hurts the right in the long run and rightfully so.
I find it fascinating that people think abortion is a religious issue. Simp thinking. @creepycoug am I right?Prestonluv said:Overturning Roe vs Wade was just stupid for a plethora of reasons.
Namely the poor being the people who have too many babies in the first place. Now they will have more.
Just stupid. As a conservative I get upset when politicians let religion dictate policy.
This only hurts the right in the long run and rightfully so.
My daughter lives in Texas and got raped. I’m going to be a grandpa now. Can’t wait.
I’m just making a point.
Here is another travesty.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/la-woman-denied-an-abortion-for-fetus-without-skull-says-shell-seek-the-procedure-out-of-state-201409661.html -
Poor baby gets its legs and arms cut off alive instead... brilliant.Prestonluv said:
SMH.MikeDamone said:
So either you're full of shit or she wants the baby. She has/had many opportunities for an abortion in Texas and out.Prestonluv said:
Cmon man. If we don’t t the religious peeps piping in than it’s not overturned. Even if overturning it technically isn’t a religious issue the process of getting it overturned is definitely spearheaded by the religious right.MikeDamone said:Prestonluv said:Overturning Roe vs Wade was just stupid for a plethora of reasons.
Namely the poor being the people who have too many babies in the first place. Now they will have more.
Just stupid. As a conservative I get upset when politicians let religion dictate policy.
This only hurts the right in the long run and rightfully so.
I find it fascinating that people think abortion is a religious issue. Simp thinking. @creepycoug am I right?Prestonluv said:Overturning Roe vs Wade was just stupid for a plethora of reasons.
Namely the poor being the people who have too many babies in the first place. Now they will have more.
Just stupid. As a conservative I get upset when politicians let religion dictate policy.
This only hurts the right in the long run and rightfully so.
My daughter lives in Texas and got raped. I’m going to be a grandpa now. Can’t wait.
I’m just making a point.
Here is another travesty.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/la-woman-denied-an-abortion-for-fetus-without-skull-says-shell-seek-the-procedure-out-of-state-201409661.html -
Forced mandatory abortion is the answer to most of our problems.RaceBannon said:
So promise for decades to do it then don't and that's a winnerPitchfork51 said:They shouldnt have nominated those justices if they knew it would screw them over
Right
As already shown here abortion isn't the problem
Gutless losers are
Attack attack attack
Or do nothing and lose -
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Forced mandatory abortion is the answer to most of our problems.RaceBannon said:
So promise for decades to do it then don't and that's a winnerPitchfork51 said:They shouldnt have nominated those justices if they knew it would screw them over
Right
As already shown here abortion isn't the problem
Gutless losers are
Attack attack attack
Or do nothing and lose -
@creepycoug true?!RaceBannon said:
Post birthPitchfork51 said:
Forced mandatory abortion is the answer to most of our problems.RaceBannon said:
So promise for decades to do it then don't and that's a winnerPitchfork51 said:They shouldnt have nominated those justices if they knew it would screw them over
Right
As already shown here abortion isn't the problem
Gutless losers are
Attack attack attack
Or do nothing and lose
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The cool thing is most shitlibs are doing this voluntarily. And any babies they do have are going to get 'gender affirming care'.Pitchfork51 said:
Forced mandatory abortion is the answer to most of our problems.RaceBannon said:
So promise for decades to do it then don't and that's a winnerPitchfork51 said:They shouldnt have nominated those justices if they knew it would screw them over
Right
As already shown here abortion isn't the problem
Gutless losers are
Attack attack attack
Or do nothing and lose -
Eh yeah but poor worthless shitheads are pumping em out by the dozen.hardhat said:
The cool thing is most shitlibs are doing this voluntarily. And any babies they do have are going to get 'gender affirming care'.Pitchfork51 said:
Forced mandatory abortion is the answer to most of our problems.RaceBannon said:
So promise for decades to do it then don't and that's a winnerPitchfork51 said:They shouldnt have nominated those justices if they knew it would screw them over
Right
As already shown here abortion isn't the problem
Gutless losers are
Attack attack attack
Or do nothing and lose -
I'm not readin
I'm not reading all this malarkey. I won on abortion and exposed many men here posing as decent Americans to be morally bankrupt with their expressed indifference to human life. But, but, but state rights!!!!!!!!!!! FO. I won.pawz said:
@creepycoug true?!RaceBannon said:
Post birthPitchfork51 said:
Forced mandatory abortion is the answer to most of our problems.RaceBannon said:
So promise for decades to do it then don't and that's a winnerPitchfork51 said:They shouldnt have nominated those justices if they knew it would screw them over
Right
As already shown here abortion isn't the problem
Gutless losers are
Attack attack attack
Or do nothing and lose
I also won the Key West/Cali Beach Wars, rather convincingly.
I've been winning a lot around here lately w/o even trying.
Must be nice ... to be me. -
I was once more middle of the road on abortion until I ran across a group of seniors protesting opposite a PP abortion mill. Every single time I passed they were there. Rain or shine.creepycoug said:I'm not readin
I'm not reading all this malarkey. I won on abortion and exposed many men here posing as decent Americans to be morally bankrupt with their expressed indifference to human life. But, but, but state rights!!!!!!!!!!! FO. I won.pawz said:
@creepycoug true?!RaceBannon said:
Post birthPitchfork51 said:
Forced mandatory abortion is the answer to most of our problems.RaceBannon said:
So promise for decades to do it then don't and that's a winnerPitchfork51 said:They shouldnt have nominated those justices if they knew it would screw them over
Right
As already shown here abortion isn't the problem
Gutless losers are
Attack attack attack
Or do nothing and lose
I also won the Key West/Cali Beach Wars, rather convincingly.
I've been winning a lot around here lately w/o even trying.
Must be nice ... to be me.
What got me were their posters with images of baby body parts. The little hand laid across the face of a dime was it for me. I can only describe the practice as barbaric.
Which is why I drove Dazzler out of his mind and to his epic meltdown on the shed. He must have dated Margaret S. back in the day. Or not. -
I would say you have more important work to do with the folks otherwise closer to your general outlook before working on a hardcore liberal like HHusky. Right now, I count me, @RoadTrip , @MikeDamone , @Sledog and, now apparently you, on the right side of this issue. @HoustonHusky and @UW_Doog_Bot cannot escape rational discourse, even if they want to, so I think they're ok too.46XiJCAB said:
I was once more middle of the road on abortion until I ran across a group of seniors protesting opposite a PP abortion mill. Every single time I passed they were there. Rain or shine.creepycoug said:I'm not readin
I'm not reading all this malarkey. I won on abortion and exposed many men here posing as decent Americans to be morally bankrupt with their expressed indifference to human life. But, but, but state rights!!!!!!!!!!! FO. I won.pawz said:
@creepycoug true?!RaceBannon said:
Post birthPitchfork51 said:
Forced mandatory abortion is the answer to most of our problems.RaceBannon said:
So promise for decades to do it then don't and that's a winnerPitchfork51 said:They shouldnt have nominated those justices if they knew it would screw them over
Right
As already shown here abortion isn't the problem
Gutless losers are
Attack attack attack
Or do nothing and lose
I also won the Key West/Cali Beach Wars, rather convincingly.
I've been winning a lot around here lately w/o even trying.
Must be nice ... to be me.
What got me were their posters with images of baby body parts. The little hand laid across the face of a dime was it for me. I can only describe the practice as barbaric.
Which is why I drove Dazzler out of his mind and to his epic meltdown on the shed. He must have dated Margaret S. back in the day. Or not.
Everyone else, especially @pawz , @RaceBannon and @SFGbob , are going to have to answer for their callous indifference to the rights of others. Either in this life or the next.
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What if my callous indifference to life was greater toward you than to others?creepycoug said:
I would say you have more important work to do with the folks otherwise closer to your general outlook before working on a hardcore liberal like HHusky. Right now, I count me, @RoadTrip , @MikeDamone , @Sledog and, now apparently you, on the right side of this issue. @HoustonHusky and @UW_Doog_Bot cannot escape rational discourse, even if they want to, so I think they're ok too.46XiJCAB said:
I was once more middle of the road on abortion until I ran across a group of seniors protesting opposite a PP abortion mill. Every single time I passed they were there. Rain or shine.creepycoug said:I'm not readin
I'm not reading all this malarkey. I won on abortion and exposed many men here posing as decent Americans to be morally bankrupt with their expressed indifference to human life. But, but, but state rights!!!!!!!!!!! FO. I won.pawz said:
@creepycoug true?!RaceBannon said:
Post birthPitchfork51 said:
Forced mandatory abortion is the answer to most of our problems.RaceBannon said:
So promise for decades to do it then don't and that's a winnerPitchfork51 said:They shouldnt have nominated those justices if they knew it would screw them over
Right
As already shown here abortion isn't the problem
Gutless losers are
Attack attack attack
Or do nothing and lose
I also won the Key West/Cali Beach Wars, rather convincingly.
I've been winning a lot around here lately w/o even trying.
Must be nice ... to be me.
What got me were their posters with images of baby body parts. The little hand laid across the face of a dime was it for me. I can only describe the practice as barbaric.
Which is why I drove Dazzler out of his mind and to his epic meltdown on the shed. He must have dated Margaret S. back in the day. Or not.
Everyone else, especially @pawz , @RaceBannon and @SFGbob , are going to have to answer for their callous indifference to the rights of others. Either in this life or the next. -
Why would i have to answer in the next life for the choices of others?creepycoug said:
I would say you have more important work to do with the folks otherwise closer to your general outlook before working on a hardcore liberal like HHusky. Right now, I count me, @RoadTrip , @MikeDamone , @Sledog and, now apparently you, on the right side of this issue. @HoustonHusky and @UW_Doog_Bot cannot escape rational discourse, even if they want to, so I think they're ok too.46XiJCAB said:
I was once more middle of the road on abortion until I ran across a group of seniors protesting opposite a PP abortion mill. Every single time I passed they were there. Rain or shine.creepycoug said:I'm not readin
I'm not reading all this malarkey. I won on abortion and exposed many men here posing as decent Americans to be morally bankrupt with their expressed indifference to human life. But, but, but state rights!!!!!!!!!!! FO. I won.pawz said:
@creepycoug true?!RaceBannon said:
Post birthPitchfork51 said:
Forced mandatory abortion is the answer to most of our problems.RaceBannon said:
So promise for decades to do it then don't and that's a winnerPitchfork51 said:They shouldnt have nominated those justices if they knew it would screw them over
Right
As already shown here abortion isn't the problem
Gutless losers are
Attack attack attack
Or do nothing and lose
I also won the Key West/Cali Beach Wars, rather convincingly.
I've been winning a lot around here lately w/o even trying.
Must be nice ... to be me.
What got me were their posters with images of baby body parts. The little hand laid across the face of a dime was it for me. I can only describe the practice as barbaric.
Which is why I drove Dazzler out of his mind and to his epic meltdown on the shed. He must have dated Margaret S. back in the day. Or not.
Everyone else, especially @pawz , @RaceBannon and @SFGbob , are going to have to answer for their callous indifference to the rights of others. Either in this life or the next.
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I respect the rights of others and have done my share of saving souls back in the day
People don't go to hell for abortion or murder or porn. They go to hell for not taking the free gift of salvation. Can't earn it have to believe it
Nor do I judge others lest I be judged. @creepycoug is judgy IMO. That's a sin too
This is no place for sermon seekers bro -
While not always apparent I am humble enough to admit the fallibility of my own reasoning and logic. Especially with smart people who want to discuss things in good faith. I'm not entirely convinced, I have a natural distrust of the government as a moral actor and decider as well as a proclivity towards individual rights and privacy.creepycoug said:
I would say you have more important work to do with the folks otherwise closer to your general outlook before working on a hardcore liberal like HHusky. Right now, I count me, @RoadTrip , @MikeDamone , @Sledog and, now apparently you, on the right side of this issue. @HoustonHusky and @UW_Doog_Bot cannot escape rational discourse, even if they want to, so I think they're ok too.46XiJCAB said:
I was once more middle of the road on abortion until I ran across a group of seniors protesting opposite a PP abortion mill. Every single time I passed they were there. Rain or shine.creepycoug said:I'm not readin
I'm not reading all this malarkey. I won on abortion and exposed many men here posing as decent Americans to be morally bankrupt with their expressed indifference to human life. But, but, but state rights!!!!!!!!!!! FO. I won.pawz said:
@creepycoug true?!RaceBannon said:
Post birthPitchfork51 said:
Forced mandatory abortion is the answer to most of our problems.RaceBannon said:
So promise for decades to do it then don't and that's a winnerPitchfork51 said:They shouldnt have nominated those justices if they knew it would screw them over
Right
As already shown here abortion isn't the problem
Gutless losers are
Attack attack attack
Or do nothing and lose
I also won the Key West/Cali Beach Wars, rather convincingly.
I've been winning a lot around here lately w/o even trying.
Must be nice ... to be me.
What got me were their posters with images of baby body parts. The little hand laid across the face of a dime was it for me. I can only describe the practice as barbaric.
Which is why I drove Dazzler out of his mind and to his epic meltdown on the shed. He must have dated Margaret S. back in the day. Or not.
Everyone else, especially @pawz , @RaceBannon and @SFGbob , are going to have to answer for their callous indifference to the rights of others. Either in this life or the next.
Still, it's hard to see how to scale the walls of logic you have built oh philosopher king.
It fundamentally rests upon the cornerstone that IF you give a shit about ANY human rights then you must fundamentally give a shit about ALL human rights. A very @MikeDamone classical liberal concept.
I know that's an uncomfortable idea for our local dissemblers who only trade in partisanship. -
We chose the human rights of America and Europe overrun the human rights of Japan and Germany
More Americans than is commonly known said let the countries being invaded deal with the Axis. A libertarian view
Liberals wanted a world safe for liberal ideas at a cost of 50 million lives
The man not executed who kills again is a moral quandary
I don't trust the state either but eliminating Roe puts it closer to the hands of the people to decide
I take no issue with a person against abortion.
I also understand a secular society can end up as bad as a theocracy. American Founders chose secular with a religious basis
Today we veer toward full secular and the fall of Rome
Nuance.