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In golf Bernard Langer has had the putting yips since his 20s. He still dominates the senior tour in his 60s. Usually makes the cut at the Masters
He's had numerous styles to combat it
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Either the yips are real, or I'm a mentally weak pussy, or both. I've encountered them I. Multiple sports and activities that I'm otherwise good at...all aspects of golf, pitching and throwing both baseballs and softballs, bowling...pretty much anything that involves hitting or projecting a ball.RoadDawg55 said:Fishpo, do the yips really exist or is every guy that has had those type of incidents a mentally weak pussy?
When I played men's softball for a few years in my 20s I eventually switched from primarily 2nd base to short and third because I couldn't stop choking on the throw to first after a routine ground ball to 2nd. -
Yep, a short, easy throw can be an incredible mindfuck…I struggled to throw to first on comebackers in my hurling days…my HS coach taught me to run them over and underhand while in motion, which is prevalent today. Made me remember Jon Lester not being able to pick to first, recently…chuck said:
Either the yips are real, or I'm a mentally weak pussy, or both. I've encountered them I. Multiple sports and activities that I'm otherwise good at...all aspects of golf, pitching and throwing both baseballs and softballs, bowling...pretty much anything that involves hitting or projecting a ball.RoadDawg55 said:Fishpo, do the yips really exist or is every guy that has had those type of incidents a mentally weak pussy?
When I played men's softball for a few years in my 20s I eventually switched from primarily 2nd base to short and third because I couldn't stop choking on the throw to first after a routine ground ball to 2nd.
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See Also: “Mackey Sasser disease”…
https://www.espn.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/6658/mackey-sasser-doesnt-deserve-disease -
Fishpo31 said:
Yep, a short, easy throw can be an incredible mindfuck…I struggled to throw to first on comebackers in my hurling days…my HS coach taught me to run them over and underhand while in motion, which is prevalent today. Made me remember Jon Lester not being able to pick to first, recently…chuck said:
Either the yips are real, or I'm a mentally weak pussy, or both. I've encountered them I. Multiple sports and activities that I'm otherwise good at...all aspects of golf, pitching and throwing both baseballs and softballs, bowling...pretty much anything that involves hitting or projecting a ball.RoadDawg55 said:Fishpo, do the yips really exist or is every guy that has had those type of incidents a mentally weak pussy?
When I played men's softball for a few years in my 20s I eventually switched from primarily 2nd base to short and third because I couldn't stop choking on the throw to first after a routine ground ball to 2nd.
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I guess I've had them with golf, but I've never golfed enough to be good or develop consistency. I've never understood not being able to throw a ball back to the pitcher, second to first, etc.chuck said:
Either the yips are real, or I'm a mentally weak pussy, or both. I've encountered them I. Multiple sports and activities that I'm otherwise good at...all aspects of golf, pitching and throwing both baseballs and softballs, bowling...pretty much anything that involves hitting or projecting a ball.RoadDawg55 said:Fishpo, do the yips really exist or is every guy that has had those type of incidents a mentally weak pussy?
When I played men's softball for a few years in my 20s I eventually switched from primarily 2nd base to short and third because I couldn't stop choking on the throw to first after a routine ground ball to 2nd. -
We had a weak first baseman for a season...a big guy that hit a lot of home runs so it was tolerated.RoadDawg55 said:
I guess I've had them with golf, but I've never golfed enough to be good or develop consistency. I've never understood not being able to throw a ball back to the pitcher, second to first, etc.chuck said:
Either the yips are real, or I'm a mentally weak pussy, or both. I've encountered them I. Multiple sports and activities that I'm otherwise good at...all aspects of golf, pitching and throwing both baseballs and softballs, bowling...pretty much anything that involves hitting or projecting a ball.RoadDawg55 said:Fishpo, do the yips really exist or is every guy that has had those type of incidents a mentally weak pussy?
When I played men's softball for a few years in my 20s I eventually switched from primarily 2nd base to short and third because I couldn't stop choking on the throw to first after a routine ground ball to 2nd.
The routine plays with a lot of time to throw were the problem. I'd see him looking nervous before I threw the ball. It got in my head and I had a streak where I couldn't stop throwing it in the dirt on easy plays. I think I air mailed a couple too. It wasn't an issue if I had to hurry or had space to throw hard, just when i had too much time to look at and think about who was over there.
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I think a lot of it has to do with the impression that "I have all the time in the world", and you relax, and stop being "Athletic". Not to go nerdy here, but the feet have such a large role in throwing accuracy. That's why you see the shuffle-shuffle with the infielders, to keep their feet moving and stay in rhythm, which keeps the body athletic. Also, everybody trains to throw full speed, and when you need to regulate it, the feet stop, and you sail/bury it.RoadDawg55 said:
I guess I've had them with golf, but I've never golfed enough to be good or develop consistency. I've never understood not being able to throw a ball back to the pitcher, second to first, etc.chuck said:
Either the yips are real, or I'm a mentally weak pussy, or both. I've encountered them I. Multiple sports and activities that I'm otherwise good at...all aspects of golf, pitching and throwing both baseballs and softballs, bowling...pretty much anything that involves hitting or projecting a ball.RoadDawg55 said:Fishpo, do the yips really exist or is every guy that has had those type of incidents a mentally weak pussy?
When I played men's softball for a few years in my 20s I eventually switched from primarily 2nd base to short and third because I couldn't stop choking on the throw to first after a routine ground ball to 2nd.
As for golf, it is ingraining a consistent swing path and speed. The toughest shots for me are always around the green, where I can't take a full swing, or have to dial it back. Thank god for wedges... -
ESPN: Seattle Mariners, Julio Rodriguez finalizing long-term extension that could max out at $470 million, sources confirm.
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/34464088/seattle-mariners-finalizing-long-term-extension-breakout-rookie-julio-rodriguez-sources-say
I suppose everyone has heard about this by now but here it is all rolled up. JFC. Risky business with a rookie but based on a quick browse I did in an earlier article, only about 210mil of it is guaranteed up front. The rest is performance incentives and options. -
If I was in Julio's shoes I take that as a win-win. Gets real money now and avoids MLB's version of slavery with that 6-year of controlling rights shit. I can believe the Union hasn't made that fuck off yet. I don't toss that kind of opinion out lightly in this case, and I'm not a labor guy, but the way teams can fuck over guys like Aaron Judge until they're 30 years old is insane.
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Agreed. Really a feather in Dipoto's cap but Julio just guaranteed himself over $200mil before age 30 as opposed to being a virtual slave for six years. It bugged me at first but I think it's definitely a win win.BleachedAnusDawg said:If I was in Julio's shoes I take that as a win-win. Gets real money now and avoids MLB's version of slavery with that 6-year of controlling rights shit. I can believe the Union hasn't made that fuck off yet. I don't toss that kind of opinion out lightly in this case, and I'm not a labor guy, but the way teams can fuck over guys like Aaron Judge until they're 30 years old is insane.
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I wouldn’t have done it if I were the Mariners. These contracts rarely go right.
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We didn't learn our lesson from Robinson CanoRoadDawg55 said:I wouldn’t have done it if I were the Mariners. These contracts rarely go right.
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Not similar though really. The structure of this contract is pretty cool. There's some risk, but they gave themselves an out and tied a lot of money to performance.DerekJohnson said:
We didn't learn our lesson from Robinson CanoRoadDawg55 said:I wouldn’t have done it if I were the Mariners. These contracts rarely go right.
Edit...https://sports.mynorthwest.com/1656143/with-deal-official-rodriguez-wants-to-be-with-mariners-for-the-rest-of-my-career/
It's really hard not to moog over this guy. -
It's just like N.I.L...sign the contract and hold your breath that it plays out well. You have to do it to be competitive, and it's better than trying to throw money at him after 5-6 ASG's in a row, when people are telling him "they didn't believe in you"...just hope there are no motorcycles or ringworm in his future...DerekJohnson said:
We didn't learn our lesson from Robinson CanoRoadDawg55 said:I wouldn’t have done it if I were the Mariners. These contracts rarely go right.
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14 years?Fishpo31 said:
It's just like N.I.L...sign the contract and hold your breath that it plays out well. You have to do it to be competitive, and it's better than trying to throw money at him after 5-6 ASG's in a row, when people are telling him "they didn't believe in you"...just hope there are no motorcycles or ringworm in his future...DerekJohnson said:
We didn't learn our lesson from Robinson CanoRoadDawg55 said:I wouldn’t have done it if I were the Mariners. These contracts rarely go right.
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Oh from the limited things I've seen and heard he's amazing. I mean, when I was really into the Mariners for about 25 years, they would bring up good players and then trade them away (or just lose them) once they developed. So the fact they're showing a commitment to him is preferable. But a long-time contract to a 21-year old feels like there are many ways that this could backfire. Obviously, I hope it works out.chuck said:
Not similar though really. The structure of this contract is pretty cool. There's some risk, but they gave themselves an out and tied a lot of money to performance.DerekJohnson said:
We didn't learn our lesson from Robinson CanoRoadDawg55 said:I wouldn’t have done it if I were the Mariners. These contracts rarely go right.
Edit...https://sports.mynorthwest.com/1656143/with-deal-official-rodriguez-wants-to-be-with-mariners-for-the-rest-of-my-career/
It's really hard not to moog over this guy. -
Risk vs reward...they have to be proactive. If he is who we (they) think he is, 14 years is about right, at his age. Barring injury or off-field dumbfuckery, he will be in CF for 8-10 years, LF/RF/DH for the rest as a middle of the order bat. He's an "Aircraft Carrier", the guy you build it around. "We" have had 2...Griffey and A Rod.DerekJohnson said:
14 years?Fishpo31 said:
It's just like N.I.L...sign the contract and hold your breath that it plays out well. You have to do it to be competitive, and it's better than trying to throw money at him after 5-6 ASG's in a row, when people are telling him "they didn't believe in you"...just hope there are no motorcycles or ringworm in his future...DerekJohnson said:
We didn't learn our lesson from Robinson CanoRoadDawg55 said:I wouldn’t have done it if I were the Mariners. These contracts rarely go right.
They are who they are, on winning clubs and losing clubs. Lots of "good" players have come through, complimentary players, but none that can carry a club, day-to-day, and lift the line-up...Mookie; Trout; Judge; Harper; Altuve; Soto. Gotta throw Ohtani in there. They lift their teams up, even when slumping..."THAT is the guy we cannot let beat us"...they pitch him carefully (or, don't pitch to him at all), and the guys in front and behind him get better pitches to do damage. As great as Edgar was, without Griffey hitting in front of him he's likely not a HOF'er...
You put Tatis in the middle of SD's lineup right now, that could be 15-20 wins over a season, not solely because of what he does, but because of what he "could" do, and it affects everyone...
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You know more baseball than anyone here, but Edgar’s best season was 95 and Griffey was out for over half of the year. I think he’s hitting great no matter what.Fishpo31 said:
Risk vs reward...they have to be proactive. If he is who we (they) think he is, 14 years is about right, at his age. Barring injury or off-field dumbfuckery, he will be in CF for 8-10 years, LF/RF/DH for the rest as a middle of the order bat. He's an "Aircraft Carrier", the guy you build it around. "We" have had 2...Griffey and A Rod.DerekJohnson said:
14 years?Fishpo31 said:
It's just like N.I.L...sign the contract and hold your breath that it plays out well. You have to do it to be competitive, and it's better than trying to throw money at him after 5-6 ASG's in a row, when people are telling him "they didn't believe in you"...just hope there are no motorcycles or ringworm in his future...DerekJohnson said:
We didn't learn our lesson from Robinson CanoRoadDawg55 said:I wouldn’t have done it if I were the Mariners. These contracts rarely go right.
They are who they are, on winning clubs and losing clubs. Lots of "good" players have come through, complimentary players, but none that can carry a club, day-to-day, and lift the line-up...Mookie; Trout; Judge; Harper; Altuve; Soto. Gotta throw Ohtani in there. They lift their teams up, even when slumping..."THAT is the guy we cannot let beat us"...they pitch him carefully (or, don't pitch to him at all), and the guys in front and behind him get better pitches to do damage. As great as Edgar was, without Griffey hitting in front of him he's likely not a HOF'er...
You put Tatis in the middle of SD's lineup right now, that could be 15-20 wins over a season, not solely because of what he does, but because of what he "could" do, and it affects everyone...
Machado is performing much better this year than when he had Tatis in the lineup last year.
Pitchers still have egos and challenge guys. They miss their spots. Sometimes a guy will still hammer a great pitch. A lot of games aren’t close and everyone gets pitched to.
It also doesn’t seem like Trout has really helped that line up too much. He’s done great. The rest mostly haven’t. Obviously that franchise has problems and have wasted Trout’s great seasons.
There is obviously truth to getting better pitches when there are multiple good hitters in the line up, but I think that is also a baseball cliche that gets repeated so often that it becomes true. -
The Mariners were proactive and it’s a good deal if Julio produces. I think he will and hopefully the deal isn’t even that eye popping later on since salaries continue to increase.
It’s a lot of projection. He’s having a good season, especially for a 21 year old, but it’s not like he has hit the cover off the ball.
I’m a fan of keeping great players and replenishing the system before they become free agents. When it’s done right, the 4 cheap prospects are always better than having one star, especially when factoring in the saved money that can be spent on 2 or 3 free agents. Just like with these contracts tho, you have to get it right, or at least mostly right. -
True about 95, but he was already "Edgar" by then. Edgar and Griffey were great hitters, in a line-up of good complimentary players. It allowed the comp guys to just go out and play, and play up, without the pressure of having to produce, day in and out.RoadDawg55 said:
You know more baseball than anyone here, but Edgar’s best season was 95 and Griffey was out for over half of the year. I think he’s hitting great no matter what.Fishpo31 said:
Risk vs reward...they have to be proactive. If he is who we (they) think he is, 14 years is about right, at his age. Barring injury or off-field dumbfuckery, he will be in CF for 8-10 years, LF/RF/DH for the rest as a middle of the order bat. He's an "Aircraft Carrier", the guy you build it around. "We" have had 2...Griffey and A Rod.DerekJohnson said:
14 years?Fishpo31 said:
It's just like N.I.L...sign the contract and hold your breath that it plays out well. You have to do it to be competitive, and it's better than trying to throw money at him after 5-6 ASG's in a row, when people are telling him "they didn't believe in you"...just hope there are no motorcycles or ringworm in his future...DerekJohnson said:
We didn't learn our lesson from Robinson CanoRoadDawg55 said:I wouldn’t have done it if I were the Mariners. These contracts rarely go right.
They are who they are, on winning clubs and losing clubs. Lots of "good" players have come through, complimentary players, but none that can carry a club, day-to-day, and lift the line-up...Mookie; Trout; Judge; Harper; Altuve; Soto. Gotta throw Ohtani in there. They lift their teams up, even when slumping..."THAT is the guy we cannot let beat us"...they pitch him carefully (or, don't pitch to him at all), and the guys in front and behind him get better pitches to do damage. As great as Edgar was, without Griffey hitting in front of him he's likely not a HOF'er...
You put Tatis in the middle of SD's lineup right now, that could be 15-20 wins over a season, not solely because of what he does, but because of what he "could" do, and it affects everyone...
Machado is performing much better this year than when he had Tatis in the lineup last year.
Pitchers still have egos and challenge guys. They miss their spots. Sometimes a guy will still hammer a great pitch. A lot of games aren’t close and everyone gets pitched to.
It also doesn’t seem like Trout has really helped that line up too much. He’s done great. The rest mostly haven’t. Obviously that franchise has problems and have wasted Trout’s great seasons.
There is obviously truth to getting better pitches when there are multiple good hitters in the line up, but I think that is also a baseball cliche that gets repeated so often that it becomes true.
Trout and Machado make my point, re: great hitters are going to hit, no matter the lineup around them. I'm talking more about great line-ups, deep line-ups, where there are no free outs for the pitcher. Those are the clubs that can survive a guy or two in a slump. On lesser clubs, the 2 most important outs in the line-up are the 2 guys hitting ahead of "the Guy", giving you an open base. I'm throwing bastard pitches (my best, to a spot), and if I get 2-0/3-1, walk him, every time. And, it's not like the pitchers are saying, "He's in a slump, I'll just throw it down the dick"...they have plans, and they pitch to them, and to the reputation...
It is obviously very fluid, but the M's have their aircraft carrier locked up, and they need to continue to draft, develop, and make smart FA/trade choices...
Good Chit!
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https://sports.mynorthwest.com/1658843/mariners-rhp-george-kirby-named-al-rookie-of-the-month-for-august/
Kirby has been dominant, not just good. Adding that filthy 2 seamer has been a huge boost. He's throwing four pitches and locates them like a crafty old pro.
The competition for the #3 starter role in the playoffs is pretty interesting. Right now I'd give Kirby the nodd over Gilbert. Doubt it stays that way, but if he keeps making dominant starts its going to be a tough choice. -
M's should close playing .700 ball the rest of the season. The schedule is super easy outside of CLE, ATL, and a 2-game series w/San Diego.
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Actually look forward to watching them now. The pitching has been great. No idea how they belt out 7 runs sometimes with that everyday line-up.
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#MarinersWorldSeriesChampions2022
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Really looking forward to the ATL series. I have no idea how CLE is in a division race when they have exactly 2 guys who can hit and 2 pitchers.BleachedAnusDawg said:M's should close playing .700 ball the rest of the season. The schedule is super easy outside of CLE, ATL, and a 2-game series w/San Diego.
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Pitching and defense…
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Trashtros? Seriously? Unless you're from Texas...haie said:Have fun losing a 1 game series while my Astros go on to another world series.
Only to lose again to my Braves (America's team). -
99.4% chance the M's make the playoffs...lol
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