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Ty France is not only the Mariners best player but one of the best players in the league at the moment.

Overall the lineup in the home series was great. They left a lot of runners on base but that is mostly because they were threating more innings than not which is quite different in previous years where they strand runners in the very few opportunities they got during games.

Kelenic still sucks and his at bats are still more horrendous than the decent ones he has... always completely guessing and gets behind in the count and swings at some shitty in the dirt slider or high fastball. At least he can play good defense I guess?

Julio looks the part and is exciting. He has been skullfucked by umps countless times this year on 3rd pitch called strikes, mind boggling honestly. His at bats look way better than Kelenics, he looks like he actually has an approach and isn't just going full blown meat head "me swing hard" in the box.

Winker will figure it out but he hasn't been playing as bad as people make it out to be. He is still up at the top in terms of On Base Percentage on the team because he has a lot of walks he has earned a bunch of really good at bats.

The starting rotation has been good so far but I feel like it is a lot of smoke and mirrors. Brash is exciting but has walked a TON of guys but thankfully has been able to get out of innings with double play balls. Ray's velocity is down pretty considerably. Marco is hit or miss and can either pitch 8 inning with 1 ER or pitch 1 inning with 8 ERs.

Can't wait for the inevitable collapse in May as always!
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  • chuck
    chuck Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 11,676 Swaye's Wigwam
    They're playing with a 39 homer outfielder and perhaps their two best relievers out right now.

    The outfielders are hitting a combined .200ish.

    Ray hasn't had his best stuff but still keeps them in every game.

    Brash will be fine, I think. If not then they have guys with just as much upside to they their hand in his spot.

    10-6, putting up numbers but with other metrics indicating more runs are inevitable, and doing it with some big pieces sitting out is a good situation.
  • BleachedAnusDawg
    BleachedAnusDawg Member Posts: 13,195 Standard Supporter
    #1 in the AL in run differential right now. It's not a huge margin, but still. I think last season they were well below 0 in that metric all season.
  • chuck
    chuck Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 11,676 Swaye's Wigwam

    #1 in the AL in run differential right now. It's not a huge margin, but still. I think last season they were well below 0 in that metric all season.

    Minus 50 or so for the season last year.
  • greenblood
    greenblood Member Posts: 14,559
    People forget they started 13-2 in 2019, and still couldn't sniff 70 wins.
  • dnc
    dnc Member Posts: 56,839

    People forget they started 13-2 in 2019, and still couldn't sniff 70 wins.

    That was a terrible team though, the 13-2 came out of nowhere with a ton of guys playing way above their heads.

    This year feels different, but as a longtime Mariner fan I'm always ready to be disappointed.
  • chuck
    chuck Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 11,676 Swaye's Wigwam

    People forget they started 13-2 in 2019, and still couldn't sniff 70 wins.

    I know youre just throwing that out there for amusement, but people forget because it's not relevant. This is the renovated Ms loaded with high end talent and depth that they lacked in 2019.

    I'm trying to temper my mooging, but it's difficult with little else in the sports world going my way right now.
  • haie
    haie Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 23,708 Founders Club
  • greenblood
    greenblood Member Posts: 14,559
    edited April 2022
    chuck said:

    People forget they started 13-2 in 2019, and still couldn't sniff 70 wins.

    I know youre just throwing that out there for amusement, but people forget because it's not relevant. This is the renovated Ms loaded with high end talent and depth that they lacked in 2019.

    I'm trying to temper my mooging, but it's difficult with little else in the sports world going my way right now.
    I hear you. I was a die hard Mariner fan during the Griffey years (first run) and even in the Ichiro years (his first run). It just got to a point that the Mariners seemed to quit wanting to win, and then, they basically lived off nostalgia through the 10s. I switched to the Dodgers after the 2011 season after seeing where things were headed, as I just couldn't take it anymore. I loved baseball, but I hated what my childhood team was doing to me. They were making me start to hate the game. Calling me a fair weather fan is fair game. But I can say, that the Dodgers brought me out of the deepest depths of hell in my baseball fandom.
  • chuck
    chuck Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 11,676 Swaye's Wigwam

    chuck said:

    People forget they started 13-2 in 2019, and still couldn't sniff 70 wins.

    I know youre just throwing that out there for amusement, but people forget because it's not relevant. This is the renovated Ms loaded with high end talent and depth that they lacked in 2019.

    I'm trying to temper my mooging, but it's difficult with little else in the sports world going my way right now.
    I hear you. I was a die hard Mariner fan during the Griffey years (first run) and even in the Ichiro years (his first run). It just got to a point that the Mariners seemed to quit wanting to win, and then, they basically lived off nostalgia through the 10s. I switched to the Dodgers after the 2011 season after seeing where things were headed, as I just couldn't take it anymore. I loved baseball, but I hated what my childhood team was doing to me. They were making me start to hate the game. Calling me a fair weather fan is fair game. But I can say, that the Dodgers brought me out of the deepest depths of hell in my baseball fandom.
    Im a fair weather fan of aorts too. I quit watching any baseball at all somewhere around 2010ish. My living arrangements changed last summer, and somewhere around mid July I found myself watching TV in the evenings and a lot of Ms games. By the end of the season I was right back on the bandwagon. I'm all in now, so to speak. I really like the team.
  • DerekJohnson
    DerekJohnson Administrator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 68,356 Founders Club
    chuck said:

    chuck said:

    People forget they started 13-2 in 2019, and still couldn't sniff 70 wins.

    I know youre just throwing that out there for amusement, but people forget because it's not relevant. This is the renovated Ms loaded with high end talent and depth that they lacked in 2019.

    I'm trying to temper my mooging, but it's difficult with little else in the sports world going my way right now.
    I hear you. I was a die hard Mariner fan during the Griffey years (first run) and even in the Ichiro years (his first run). It just got to a point that the Mariners seemed to quit wanting to win, and then, they basically lived off nostalgia through the 10s. I switched to the Dodgers after the 2011 season after seeing where things were headed, as I just couldn't take it anymore. I loved baseball, but I hated what my childhood team was doing to me. They were making me start to hate the game. Calling me a fair weather fan is fair game. But I can say, that the Dodgers brought me out of the deepest depths of hell in my baseball fandom.
    Im a fair weather fan of aorts too. I quit watching any baseball at all somewhere around 2010ish. My living arrangements changed last summer, and somewhere around mid July I found myself watching TV in the evenings and a lot of Ms games. By the end of the season I was right back on the bandwagon. I'm all in now, so to speak. I really like the team.

  • chuck
    chuck Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 11,676 Swaye's Wigwam

    chuck said:

    chuck said:

    People forget they started 13-2 in 2019, and still couldn't sniff 70 wins.

    I know youre just throwing that out there for amusement, but people forget because it's not relevant. This is the renovated Ms loaded with high end talent and depth that they lacked in 2019.

    I'm trying to temper my mooging, but it's difficult with little else in the sports world going my way right now.
    I hear you. I was a die hard Mariner fan during the Griffey years (first run) and even in the Ichiro years (his first run). It just got to a point that the Mariners seemed to quit wanting to win, and then, they basically lived off nostalgia through the 10s. I switched to the Dodgers after the 2011 season after seeing where things were headed, as I just couldn't take it anymore. I loved baseball, but I hated what my childhood team was doing to me. They were making me start to hate the game. Calling me a fair weather fan is fair game. But I can say, that the Dodgers brought me out of the deepest depths of hell in my baseball fandom.
    Im a fair weather fan of aorts too. I quit watching any baseball at all somewhere around 2010ish. My living arrangements changed last summer, and somewhere around mid July I found myself watching TV in the evenings and a lot of Ms games. By the end of the season I was right back on the bandwagon. I'm all in now, so to speak. I really like the team.

    If she had a basement I'd quit my job, get a full time, volunteer gig as a golf course ranger to pay for my habit, and basically drop out.

    Sounds like paradise to be honest.
  • DerekJohnson
    DerekJohnson Administrator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 68,356 Founders Club
    chuck said:

    chuck said:

    chuck said:

    People forget they started 13-2 in 2019, and still couldn't sniff 70 wins.

    I know youre just throwing that out there for amusement, but people forget because it's not relevant. This is the renovated Ms loaded with high end talent and depth that they lacked in 2019.

    I'm trying to temper my mooging, but it's difficult with little else in the sports world going my way right now.
    I hear you. I was a die hard Mariner fan during the Griffey years (first run) and even in the Ichiro years (his first run). It just got to a point that the Mariners seemed to quit wanting to win, and then, they basically lived off nostalgia through the 10s. I switched to the Dodgers after the 2011 season after seeing where things were headed, as I just couldn't take it anymore. I loved baseball, but I hated what my childhood team was doing to me. They were making me start to hate the game. Calling me a fair weather fan is fair game. But I can say, that the Dodgers brought me out of the deepest depths of hell in my baseball fandom.
    Im a fair weather fan of aorts too. I quit watching any baseball at all somewhere around 2010ish. My living arrangements changed last summer, and somewhere around mid July I found myself watching TV in the evenings and a lot of Ms games. By the end of the season I was right back on the bandwagon. I'm all in now, so to speak. I really like the team.

    If she had a basement I'd quit my job, get a full time, volunteer gig as a golf course ranger to pay for my habit, and basically drop out.

    Sounds like paradise to be honest.
    A lot of my jabs and jokes lately have been falling flat on the boards (as measured in Chincredibles). But I laughed, I thought it was a good one. At this moment, sitting in the Uber Pick-Up Zone of SeaTac, amid the vapor-smoke filled interior of his 2003 Prius, @PurpleBaze gazes at his iPhone and shakes his head sadly before saying "THUD!" in Farsi.
  • PurpleBaze
    PurpleBaze Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 30,309 Founders Club

    chuck said:

    chuck said:

    chuck said:

    People forget they started 13-2 in 2019, and still couldn't sniff 70 wins.

    I know youre just throwing that out there for amusement, but people forget because it's not relevant. This is the renovated Ms loaded with high end talent and depth that they lacked in 2019.

    I'm trying to temper my mooging, but it's difficult with little else in the sports world going my way right now.
    I hear you. I was a die hard Mariner fan during the Griffey years (first run) and even in the Ichiro years (his first run). It just got to a point that the Mariners seemed to quit wanting to win, and then, they basically lived off nostalgia through the 10s. I switched to the Dodgers after the 2011 season after seeing where things were headed, as I just couldn't take it anymore. I loved baseball, but I hated what my childhood team was doing to me. They were making me start to hate the game. Calling me a fair weather fan is fair game. But I can say, that the Dodgers brought me out of the deepest depths of hell in my baseball fandom.
    Im a fair weather fan of aorts too. I quit watching any baseball at all somewhere around 2010ish. My living arrangements changed last summer, and somewhere around mid July I found myself watching TV in the evenings and a lot of Ms games. By the end of the season I was right back on the bandwagon. I'm all in now, so to speak. I really like the team.

    If she had a basement I'd quit my job, get a full time, volunteer gig as a golf course ranger to pay for my habit, and basically drop out.

    Sounds like paradise to be honest.
    A lot of my jabs and jokes lately have been falling flat on the boards (as measured in Chincredibles). But I laughed, I thought it was a good one. At this moment, sitting in the Uber Pick-Up Zone of SeaTac, amid the vapor-smoke filled interior of his 2003 Prius, @PurpleBaze gazes at his iPhone and shakes his head sadly before saying "THUD!" in Farsi.
    Yep! You nailed it.
  • greenblood
    greenblood Member Posts: 14,559

    chuck said:

    chuck said:

    chuck said:

    People forget they started 13-2 in 2019, and still couldn't sniff 70 wins.

    I know youre just throwing that out there for amusement, but people forget because it's not relevant. This is the renovated Ms loaded with high end talent and depth that they lacked in 2019.

    I'm trying to temper my mooging, but it's difficult with little else in the sports world going my way right now.
    I hear you. I was a die hard Mariner fan during the Griffey years (first run) and even in the Ichiro years (his first run). It just got to a point that the Mariners seemed to quit wanting to win, and then, they basically lived off nostalgia through the 10s. I switched to the Dodgers after the 2011 season after seeing where things were headed, as I just couldn't take it anymore. I loved baseball, but I hated what my childhood team was doing to me. They were making me start to hate the game. Calling me a fair weather fan is fair game. But I can say, that the Dodgers brought me out of the deepest depths of hell in my baseball fandom.
    Im a fair weather fan of aorts too. I quit watching any baseball at all somewhere around 2010ish. My living arrangements changed last summer, and somewhere around mid July I found myself watching TV in the evenings and a lot of Ms games. By the end of the season I was right back on the bandwagon. I'm all in now, so to speak. I really like the team.

    If she had a basement I'd quit my job, get a full time, volunteer gig as a golf course ranger to pay for my habit, and basically drop out.

    Sounds like paradise to be honest.
    A lot of my jabs and jokes lately have been falling flat on the boards (as measured in Chincredibles). But I laughed, I thought it was a good one. At this moment, sitting in the Uber Pick-Up Zone of SeaTac, amid the vapor-smoke filled interior of his 2003 Prius, @PurpleBaze gazes at his iPhone and shakes his head sadly before saying "THUD!" in Farsi.
    You actively measure Chincredibles?
  • dnc
    dnc Member Posts: 56,839

    chuck said:

    chuck said:

    chuck said:

    People forget they started 13-2 in 2019, and still couldn't sniff 70 wins.

    I know youre just throwing that out there for amusement, but people forget because it's not relevant. This is the renovated Ms loaded with high end talent and depth that they lacked in 2019.

    I'm trying to temper my mooging, but it's difficult with little else in the sports world going my way right now.
    I hear you. I was a die hard Mariner fan during the Griffey years (first run) and even in the Ichiro years (his first run). It just got to a point that the Mariners seemed to quit wanting to win, and then, they basically lived off nostalgia through the 10s. I switched to the Dodgers after the 2011 season after seeing where things were headed, as I just couldn't take it anymore. I loved baseball, but I hated what my childhood team was doing to me. They were making me start to hate the game. Calling me a fair weather fan is fair game. But I can say, that the Dodgers brought me out of the deepest depths of hell in my baseball fandom.
    Im a fair weather fan of aorts too. I quit watching any baseball at all somewhere around 2010ish. My living arrangements changed last summer, and somewhere around mid July I found myself watching TV in the evenings and a lot of Ms games. By the end of the season I was right back on the bandwagon. I'm all in now, so to speak. I really like the team.

    If she had a basement I'd quit my job, get a full time, volunteer gig as a golf course ranger to pay for my habit, and basically drop out.

    Sounds like paradise to be honest.
    A lot of my jabs and jokes lately have been falling flat on the boards (as measured in Chincredibles). But I laughed, I thought it was a good one. At this moment, sitting in the Uber Pick-Up Zone of SeaTac, amid the vapor-smoke filled interior of his 2003 Prius, @PurpleBaze gazes at his iPhone and shakes his head sadly before saying "THUD!" in Farsi.
    You actively measure Chincredibles?

  • DerekJohnson
    DerekJohnson Administrator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 68,356 Founders Club

    chuck said:

    chuck said:

    chuck said:

    People forget they started 13-2 in 2019, and still couldn't sniff 70 wins.

    I know youre just throwing that out there for amusement, but people forget because it's not relevant. This is the renovated Ms loaded with high end talent and depth that they lacked in 2019.

    I'm trying to temper my mooging, but it's difficult with little else in the sports world going my way right now.
    I hear you. I was a die hard Mariner fan during the Griffey years (first run) and even in the Ichiro years (his first run). It just got to a point that the Mariners seemed to quit wanting to win, and then, they basically lived off nostalgia through the 10s. I switched to the Dodgers after the 2011 season after seeing where things were headed, as I just couldn't take it anymore. I loved baseball, but I hated what my childhood team was doing to me. They were making me start to hate the game. Calling me a fair weather fan is fair game. But I can say, that the Dodgers brought me out of the deepest depths of hell in my baseball fandom.
    Im a fair weather fan of aorts too. I quit watching any baseball at all somewhere around 2010ish. My living arrangements changed last summer, and somewhere around mid July I found myself watching TV in the evenings and a lot of Ms games. By the end of the season I was right back on the bandwagon. I'm all in now, so to speak. I really like the team.

    If she had a basement I'd quit my job, get a full time, volunteer gig as a golf course ranger to pay for my habit, and basically drop out.

    Sounds like paradise to be honest.
    A lot of my jabs and jokes lately have been falling flat on the boards (as measured in Chincredibles). But I laughed, I thought it was a good one. At this moment, sitting in the Uber Pick-Up Zone of SeaTac, amid the vapor-smoke filled interior of his 2003 Prius, @PurpleBaze gazes at his iPhone and shakes his head sadly before saying "THUD!" in Farsi.
    You actively measure Chincredibles?

  • chuck
    chuck Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 11,676 Swaye's Wigwam

    chuck said:

    chuck said:

    chuck said:

    People forget they started 13-2 in 2019, and still couldn't sniff 70 wins.

    I know youre just throwing that out there for amusement, but people forget because it's not relevant. This is the renovated Ms loaded with high end talent and depth that they lacked in 2019.

    I'm trying to temper my mooging, but it's difficult with little else in the sports world going my way right now.
    I hear you. I was a die hard Mariner fan during the Griffey years (first run) and even in the Ichiro years (his first run). It just got to a point that the Mariners seemed to quit wanting to win, and then, they basically lived off nostalgia through the 10s. I switched to the Dodgers after the 2011 season after seeing where things were headed, as I just couldn't take it anymore. I loved baseball, but I hated what my childhood team was doing to me. They were making me start to hate the game. Calling me a fair weather fan is fair game. But I can say, that the Dodgers brought me out of the deepest depths of hell in my baseball fandom.
    Im a fair weather fan of aorts too. I quit watching any baseball at all somewhere around 2010ish. My living arrangements changed last summer, and somewhere around mid July I found myself watching TV in the evenings and a lot of Ms games. By the end of the season I was right back on the bandwagon. I'm all in now, so to speak. I really like the team.

    If she had a basement I'd quit my job, get a full time, volunteer gig as a golf course ranger to pay for my habit, and basically drop out.

    Sounds like paradise to be honest.
    A lot of my jabs and jokes lately have been falling flat on the boards (as measured in Chincredibles). But I laughed, I thought it was a good one. At this moment, sitting in the Uber Pick-Up Zone of SeaTac, amid the vapor-smoke filled interior of his 2003 Prius, @PurpleBaze gazes at his iPhone and shakes his head sadly before saying "THUD!" in Farsi.
    When I try to make too many jabs or jokes I

    chuck said:

    chuck said:

    chuck said:

    People forget they started 13-2 in 2019, and still couldn't sniff 70 wins.

    I know youre just throwing that out there for amusement, but people forget because it's not relevant. This is the renovated Ms loaded with high end talent and depth that they lacked in 2019.

    I'm trying to temper my mooging, but it's difficult with little else in the sports world going my way right now.
    I hear you. I was a die hard Mariner fan during the Griffey years (first run) and even in the Ichiro years (his first run). It just got to a point that the Mariners seemed to quit wanting to win, and then, they basically lived off nostalgia through the 10s. I switched to the Dodgers after the 2011 season after seeing where things were headed, as I just couldn't take it anymore. I loved baseball, but I hated what my childhood team was doing to me. They were making me start to hate the game. Calling me a fair weather fan is fair game. But I can say, that the Dodgers brought me out of the deepest depths of hell in my baseball fandom.
    Im a fair weather fan of aorts too. I quit watching any baseball at all somewhere around 2010ish. My living arrangements changed last summer, and somewhere around mid July I found myself watching TV in the evenings and a lot of Ms games. By the end of the season I was right back on the bandwagon. I'm all in now, so to speak. I really like the team.

    If she had a basement I'd quit my job, get a full time, volunteer gig as a golf course ranger to pay for my habit, and basically drop out.

    Sounds like paradise to be honest.
    A lot of my jabs and jokes lately have been falling flat on the boards (as measured in Chincredibles). But I laughed, I thought it was a good one. At this moment, sitting in the Uber Pick-Up Zone of SeaTac, amid the vapor-smoke filled interior of his 2003 Prius, @PurpleBaze gazes at his iPhone and shakes his head sadly before saying "THUD!" in Farsi.
    I find that, when I try to make too many jokes here in a brief period of time, they seem to draw reactions that range from disinterest to puzzlement to outright disgust or irritation. A "thud" from Bazey is at the positive end of the reaction spectrum.

    If I've learned nothing else in my time here, and I haven't, it's that I'm funnier when I'm not trying to be than when I try.
  • chuck
    chuck Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 11,676 Swaye's Wigwam
    Nice use of the quote feature as always.
  • BleachedAnusDawg
    BleachedAnusDawg Member Posts: 13,195 Standard Supporter
    Well, they suck again, as always.
  • greenblood
    greenblood Member Posts: 14,559
    edited May 2022
    I did add Kirby to my fantasy baseball roster prior to today’s game. I’m not disappointed.
  • greenblood
    greenblood Member Posts: 14,559
    I honestly don't understand why the Mariners don't just go all in on pitching and defense.
  • RoadDawg55
    RoadDawg55 Member Posts: 30,129

    I honestly don't understand why the Mariners don't just go all in on pitching and defense.

    I would try and sucker a team to give up a starter for Kelenic. Somebody might believe he will be good. He won’t, but you could sucker a non contender into believing.
  • CuntWaffle
    CuntWaffle Member Posts: 22,499
    I am still holding on to Marinoor hope with Haniger and Lewis coming back. Not having Haniger, our only true #3 hitter has been tough. There are still a lot of things to like about this team, but the last few weeks have been frustrating as fuck all.
  • RoadDawg55
    RoadDawg55 Member Posts: 30,129

    I am still holding on to Marinoor hope with Haniger and Lewis coming back. Not having Haniger, our only true #3 hitter has been tough. There are still a lot of things to like about this team, but the last few weeks have been frustrating as fuck all.

    Lewis has been crushing the ball and should be a big upgrade. Julio, Haniger, Lewis, and Winker rotating and having one DH most nights is a good outfield. Since it’s the M’s, Lewis will suck when called up, but he will certainly be an upgrade over Kelenic.

    Cut bait early on Kelenic. This is 400+ at bats with a .175 average. There isn’t a player I can remember with that many AB’s with such little success that turned out to be a stud. At minimum, he’s years away from being useful.

    Get another starter in case Gonzalez and/or Flexen shits the bed and because of innings restrictions on Kirby and Logan. Kelenic is the guy that can get you a #2-3 starter.

    I’m with you in that they could still go on a run, but again, these are the Mariners.
  • BleachedAnusDawg
    BleachedAnusDawg Member Posts: 13,195 Standard Supporter
    Everyone says the roster this year is an improvement over last year, but last year's team winning 92 games was fool's gold. That was really an 80 win team and this year probably maxes out at 85, tops.

    The one hope, as has been pointed out, is that the team is legitimately young and a couple valuable guys are out right now. The schedule for the rest of May is rough and they may find themselves 10 games under .500 by the end of the month.
  • CuntWaffle
    CuntWaffle Member Posts: 22,499

    Everyone says the roster this year is an improvement over last year, but last year's team winning 92 games was fool's gold. That was really an 80 win team and this year probably maxes out at 85, tops.

    The one hope, as has been pointed out, is that the team is legitimately young and a couple valuable guys are out right now. The schedule for the rest of May is rough and they may find themselves 10 games under .500 by the end of the month.

    Yea I think a lot of people, including myself, are starting to see how big of a fluke last season was... and the Mariners were way further away from the playoffs than just adding a couple players (who haven't done much) to being a playoff contender. I didn't think they were winning the World Series this year, but I did think that they would be competitive night in and night out and not go through these hellish slumps like they have been.

    If they can make it through May and be .500 and we have Haniger/Lewis back maybe my optimism will grow a bit more. But when you rely on so many "what if" scenarios it is usually a high indicator you still aren't good.