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247 has his last class as 5th. Petersen third class was that year. 6th.dnc said:
His last class was 7th in the conference. If that's Oregon recruiting itself I'm fine with Oregon recruiting itself.MikeDamone said:dnc said:
It didn't recruit itself under Helfrich.CallMeBigErn said:
Oregon recruits itself at this point whether we like it or not. And the staff does most of the dirty work and there's no world where Oregon wouldn't shell out big bucks for assistants. Pretty sure Wilcox would still pull in top 15 classes. He would out-recruit DeBoer right now. The fact that Eugene is a rest stop doesn't matter. It's all Phil and Nike.46XiJCAB said:
He’s Mario 2.0 w/o the recruiting. Absolute wrong choice which is why Mullins will hire him.Swaye said:
He actually could be. I don't think it's a high probability, but I see your main point. I mean there are mega resources there, and if he could luck into or find a really quality innovative offensive mind he could maybe do some damage there. I'd have hated him at UW, but there is a different dynamic there.CallMeBigErn said:
Bro, did you read the context? I'm saying there's a part of me that thinks that he could be the type to do so. Not saying he will ffs. I don't consider my opinion to be fact unlike some here. I'm raising the point that he could be good for Oregon as devil's advocate. Chill.Ice_Holmvik said:
You were just stating that hiring Wilcox would bring 20 years of stability to Oregon.CallMeBigErn said:
I prefer revolving door Oregon coaching. In fact, I love it. You don't see it that way and that's cool, Chuck. That's cool.chuck said:
Glad to see that my dog isn't the only one dumb enough to try fighting high volume sprinklers. There's also the one pictured, and @CallMeBigErnGladstone said:
Yes, as a Junction City kid and UO alum, he probably seems appealing from a "we're a stepping stone school" perspectiveCallMeBigErn said:theknowledge said:
The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.CallMeBigErn said:
Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.OreDawg said:Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.
My fear is that Wilcox, as an alum, could end up the type who's there for 20 years.
This is a bunch of platitude nonsense that doesn't mean anything. Bringing "stability" means nothing unless you're a good coach. This is one of those buzzwords on Twitter people throw out to try and sound smart. What does 'might be less about the glitzy glamorous Oregon hype machine' mean? How do you qualify this? Gibberish.CallMeBigErn said:theknowledge said:
The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.CallMeBigErn said:
Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.OreDawg said:Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.
It might not be lightning in a bottle right away but he's going to bring stability and might be less about the glitzy glamorous Oregon hype machine.CallMeBigErn said:theknowledge said:
The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.CallMeBigErn said:
Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.OreDawg said:Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.
Oregon has a culture problem imo and Wilcox could very well be the type to fix it, or at least add a little substance to their charade.
What does this mean? Culture problem of good recruiting? Hiring good coaches? What substance to what charade? This entire post feels like it was written by a ML algorithm that doesn't quite understand the training data yet
Can you name literally any metric outside of "has ties to the physical area" that says Wilcox could be their Whittingham? Literally every sentence you typed is brutal wharrgarble nonsense.CallMeBigErn said:theknowledge said:
The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.CallMeBigErn said:
Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.OreDawg said:Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.
He will have the tools to do it. I could see him becoming Oregon's Whittingham. Not saying this will for sure happen by any means but I think it's a decent possibility that he's exactly what Oregon needs.
The one thing that would worry me as a Duck fan (and you alluded to this arguing the other way though) is his "stable" (read that as boring) type mentality. Oregon has always been loud, garish and new money rich. It's a huge part of their persona. That is not Wilcox. So I appreciate you thinking he might "fix" that in a sense, but I think fixing it would break them. It's a 2nd tier school in a shithole town. What makes them get top 10 recruiting classes is the new money swagger.
Just my thoughts. On balance, I hope like fuck UO hires Wilcocks because I think there is a 10% chance or less he kills it. But there is a chance.
Helfrich out recruited Petersen. HTH.dnc said:
It didn't recruit itself under Helfrich.CallMeBigErn said:
Oregon recruits itself at this point whether we like it or not. And the staff does most of the dirty work and there's no world where Oregon wouldn't shell out big bucks for assistants. Pretty sure Wilcox would still pull in top 15 classes. He would out-recruit DeBoer right now. The fact that Eugene is a rest stop doesn't matter. It's all Phil and Nike.46XiJCAB said:
He’s Mario 2.0 w/o the recruiting. Absolute wrong choice which is why Mullins will hire him.Swaye said:
He actually could be. I don't think it's a high probability, but I see your main point. I mean there are mega resources there, and if he could luck into or find a really quality innovative offensive mind he could maybe do some damage there. I'd have hated him at UW, but there is a different dynamic there.CallMeBigErn said:
Bro, did you read the context? I'm saying there's a part of me that thinks that he could be the type to do so. Not saying he will ffs. I don't consider my opinion to be fact unlike some here. I'm raising the point that he could be good for Oregon as devil's advocate. Chill.Ice_Holmvik said:
You were just stating that hiring Wilcox would bring 20 years of stability to Oregon.CallMeBigErn said:
I prefer revolving door Oregon coaching. In fact, I love it. You don't see it that way and that's cool, Chuck. That's cool.chuck said:
Glad to see that my dog isn't the only one dumb enough to try fighting high volume sprinklers. There's also the one pictured, and @CallMeBigErnGladstone said:
Yes, as a Junction City kid and UO alum, he probably seems appealing from a "we're a stepping stone school" perspectiveCallMeBigErn said:theknowledge said:
The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.CallMeBigErn said:
Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.OreDawg said:Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.
My fear is that Wilcox, as an alum, could end up the type who's there for 20 years.
This is a bunch of platitude nonsense that doesn't mean anything. Bringing "stability" means nothing unless you're a good coach. This is one of those buzzwords on Twitter people throw out to try and sound smart. What does 'might be less about the glitzy glamorous Oregon hype machine' mean? How do you qualify this? Gibberish.CallMeBigErn said:theknowledge said:
The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.CallMeBigErn said:
Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.OreDawg said:Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.
It might not be lightning in a bottle right away but he's going to bring stability and might be less about the glitzy glamorous Oregon hype machine.CallMeBigErn said:theknowledge said:
The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.CallMeBigErn said:
Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.OreDawg said:Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.
Oregon has a culture problem imo and Wilcox could very well be the type to fix it, or at least add a little substance to their charade.
What does this mean? Culture problem of good recruiting? Hiring good coaches? What substance to what charade? This entire post feels like it was written by a ML algorithm that doesn't quite understand the training data yet
Can you name literally any metric outside of "has ties to the physical area" that says Wilcox could be their Whittingham? Literally every sentence you typed is brutal wharrgarble nonsense.CallMeBigErn said:theknowledge said:
The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.CallMeBigErn said:
Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.OreDawg said:Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.
He will have the tools to do it. I could see him becoming Oregon's Whittingham. Not saying this will for sure happen by any means but I think it's a decent possibility that he's exactly what Oregon needs.
The one thing that would worry me as a Duck fan (and you alluded to this arguing the other way though) is his "stable" (read that as boring) type mentality. Oregon has always been loud, garish and new money rich. It's a huge part of their persona. That is not Wilcox. So I appreciate you thinking he might "fix" that in a sense, but I think fixing it would break them. It's a 2nd tier school in a shithole town. What makes them get top 10 recruiting classes is the new money swagger.
Just my thoughts. On balance, I hope like fuck UO hires Wilcocks because I think there is a 10% chance or less he kills it. But there is a chance. -
Yes there is such a world. It's the one where 83 year old Phil Knight isn't around anymore to prop up the school with Nike money. Once he's gone I doubt that $$ pipeline continues.CallMeBigErn said:
Oregon recruits itself at this point whether we like it or not. And the staff does most of the dirty work and there's no world where Oregon wouldn't shell out big bucks for assistants. Pretty sure Wilcox would still pull in top 15 classes. He would out-recruit DeBoer right now. The fact that Eugene is a rest stop doesn't matter. It's all Phil and Nike.46XiJCAB said:
He’s Mario 2.0 w/o the recruiting. Absolute wrong choice which is why Mullins will hire him.Swaye said:
He actually could be. I don't think it's a high probability, but I see your main point. I mean there are mega resources there, and if he could luck into or find a really quality innovative offensive mind he could maybe do some damage there. I'd have hated him at UW, but there is a different dynamic there.CallMeBigErn said:
Bro, did you read the context? I'm saying there's a part of me that thinks that he could be the type to do so. Not saying he will ffs. I don't consider my opinion to be fact unlike some here. I'm raising the point that he could be good for Oregon as devil's advocate. Chill.Ice_Holmvik said:
You were just stating that hiring Wilcox would bring 20 years of stability to Oregon.CallMeBigErn said:
I prefer revolving door Oregon coaching. In fact, I love it. You don't see it that way and that's cool, Chuck. That's cool.chuck said:
Glad to see that my dog isn't the only one dumb enough to try fighting high volume sprinklers. There's also the one pictured, and @CallMeBigErnGladstone said:
Yes, as a Junction City kid and UO alum, he probably seems appealing from a "we're a stepping stone school" perspectiveCallMeBigErn said:theknowledge said:
The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.CallMeBigErn said:
Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.OreDawg said:Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.
My fear is that Wilcox, as an alum, could end up the type who's there for 20 years.
This is a bunch of platitude nonsense that doesn't mean anything. Bringing "stability" means nothing unless you're a good coach. This is one of those buzzwords on Twitter people throw out to try and sound smart. What does 'might be less about the glitzy glamorous Oregon hype machine' mean? How do you qualify this? Gibberish.CallMeBigErn said:theknowledge said:
The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.CallMeBigErn said:
Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.OreDawg said:Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.
It might not be lightning in a bottle right away but he's going to bring stability and might be less about the glitzy glamorous Oregon hype machine.CallMeBigErn said:theknowledge said:
The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.CallMeBigErn said:
Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.OreDawg said:Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.
Oregon has a culture problem imo and Wilcox could very well be the type to fix it, or at least add a little substance to their charade.
What does this mean? Culture problem of good recruiting? Hiring good coaches? What substance to what charade? This entire post feels like it was written by a ML algorithm that doesn't quite understand the training data yet
Can you name literally any metric outside of "has ties to the physical area" that says Wilcox could be their Whittingham? Literally every sentence you typed is brutal wharrgarble nonsense.CallMeBigErn said:theknowledge said:
The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.CallMeBigErn said:
Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.OreDawg said:Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.
He will have the tools to do it. I could see him becoming Oregon's Whittingham. Not saying this will for sure happen by any means but I think it's a decent possibility that he's exactly what Oregon needs.
The one thing that would worry me as a Duck fan (and you alluded to this arguing the other way though) is his "stable" (read that as boring) type mentality. Oregon has always been loud, garish and new money rich. It's a huge part of their persona. That is not Wilcox. So I appreciate you thinking he might "fix" that in a sense, but I think fixing it would break them. It's a 2nd tier school in a shithole town. What makes them get top 10 recruiting classes is the new money swagger.
Just my thoughts. On balance, I hope like fuck UO hires Wilcocks because I think there is a 10% chance or less he kills it. But there is a chance. -
My point is Oregon’s floor with a dope like Helfrich is higher that UW’s ceiling as demonstrated by PetersenBeno4Life said:
It’s been pretty well documented by recruits, recruits’ parents (ie Hugh Breed Love Millen), and former staffers (ie Cooper Petagna) that Cristo cares more about recruiting than anything else and implores his staff to recruit like it’s the SEC.MikeDamone said:
Nike and PK recruits for Oregon. Who ever they get will recruit fine. The notion that MC is such an outstanding recruiter is a myth. I could recruit to Oregon just as well. Money talks.46XiJCAB said:
He’s Mario 2.0 w/o the recruiting. Absolute wrong choice which is why Mullins will hire him.Swaye said:
He actually could be. I don't think it's a high probability, but I see your main point. I mean there are mega resources there, and if he could luck into or find a really quality innovative offensive mind he could maybe do some damage there. I'd have hated him at UW, but there is a different dynamic there.CallMeBigErn said:
Bro, did you read the context? I'm saying there's a part of me that thinks that he could be the type to do so. Not saying he will ffs. I don't consider my opinion to be fact unlike some here. I'm raising the point that he could be good for Oregon as devil's advocate. Chill.Ice_Holmvik said:
You were just stating that hiring Wilcox would bring 20 years of stability to Oregon.CallMeBigErn said:
I prefer revolving door Oregon coaching. In fact, I love it. You don't see it that way and that's cool, Chuck. That's cool.chuck said:
Glad to see that my dog isn't the only one dumb enough to try fighting high volume sprinklers. There's also the one pictured, and @CallMeBigErnGladstone said:
Yes, as a Junction City kid and UO alum, he probably seems appealing from a "we're a stepping stone school" perspectiveCallMeBigErn said:theknowledge said:
The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.CallMeBigErn said:
Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.OreDawg said:Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.
My fear is that Wilcox, as an alum, could end up the type who's there for 20 years.
This is a bunch of platitude nonsense that doesn't mean anything. Bringing "stability" means nothing unless you're a good coach. This is one of those buzzwords on Twitter people throw out to try and sound smart. What does 'might be less about the glitzy glamorous Oregon hype machine' mean? How do you qualify this? Gibberish.CallMeBigErn said:theknowledge said:
The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.CallMeBigErn said:
Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.OreDawg said:Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.
It might not be lightning in a bottle right away but he's going to bring stability and might be less about the glitzy glamorous Oregon hype machine.CallMeBigErn said:theknowledge said:
The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.CallMeBigErn said:
Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.OreDawg said:Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.
Oregon has a culture problem imo and Wilcox could very well be the type to fix it, or at least add a little substance to their charade.
What does this mean? Culture problem of good recruiting? Hiring good coaches? What substance to what charade? This entire post feels like it was written by a ML algorithm that doesn't quite understand the training data yet
Can you name literally any metric outside of "has ties to the physical area" that says Wilcox could be their Whittingham? Literally every sentence you typed is brutal wharrgarble nonsense.CallMeBigErn said:theknowledge said:
The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.CallMeBigErn said:
Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.OreDawg said:Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.
He will have the tools to do it. I could see him becoming Oregon's Whittingham. Not saying this will for sure happen by any means but I think it's a decent possibility that he's exactly what Oregon needs.
The one thing that would worry me as a Duck fan (and you alluded to this arguing the other way though) is his "stable" (read that as boring) type mentality. Oregon has always been loud, garish and new money rich. It's a huge part of their persona. That is not Wilcox. So I appreciate you thinking he might "fix" that in a sense, but I think fixing it would break them. It's a 2nd tier school in a shithole town. What makes them get top 10 recruiting classes is the new money swagger.
Just my thoughts. On balance, I hope like fuck UO hires Wilcocks because I think there is a 10% chance or less he kills it. But there is a chance.
So yeah, combined that effort and acumen with PK money and you have top-10 classes. -
Wilcox for UW DC? I’m in.
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But Mosster told me that Nike will continue to give a fuck about them after Phil is gone. The egg shell uniforms, lewis and Clark helmets, and prime location in Eugene is really important to their business model.HairyBallsDawg said:
Yes there is such a world. It's the one where 83 year old Phil Knight isn't around anymore to prop up the school with Nike money. Once he's gone I doubt that $$ pipeline continues.CallMeBigErn said:
Oregon recruits itself at this point whether we like it or not. And the staff does most of the dirty work and there's no world where Oregon wouldn't shell out big bucks for assistants. Pretty sure Wilcox would still pull in top 15 classes. He would out-recruit DeBoer right now. The fact that Eugene is a rest stop doesn't matter. It's all Phil and Nike.46XiJCAB said:
He’s Mario 2.0 w/o the recruiting. Absolute wrong choice which is why Mullins will hire him.Swaye said:
He actually could be. I don't think it's a high probability, but I see your main point. I mean there are mega resources there, and if he could luck into or find a really quality innovative offensive mind he could maybe do some damage there. I'd have hated him at UW, but there is a different dynamic there.CallMeBigErn said:
Bro, did you read the context? I'm saying there's a part of me that thinks that he could be the type to do so. Not saying he will ffs. I don't consider my opinion to be fact unlike some here. I'm raising the point that he could be good for Oregon as devil's advocate. Chill.Ice_Holmvik said:
You were just stating that hiring Wilcox would bring 20 years of stability to Oregon.CallMeBigErn said:
I prefer revolving door Oregon coaching. In fact, I love it. You don't see it that way and that's cool, Chuck. That's cool.chuck said:
Glad to see that my dog isn't the only one dumb enough to try fighting high volume sprinklers. There's also the one pictured, and @CallMeBigErnGladstone said:
Yes, as a Junction City kid and UO alum, he probably seems appealing from a "we're a stepping stone school" perspectiveCallMeBigErn said:theknowledge said:
The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.CallMeBigErn said:
Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.OreDawg said:Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.
My fear is that Wilcox, as an alum, could end up the type who's there for 20 years.
This is a bunch of platitude nonsense that doesn't mean anything. Bringing "stability" means nothing unless you're a good coach. This is one of those buzzwords on Twitter people throw out to try and sound smart. What does 'might be less about the glitzy glamorous Oregon hype machine' mean? How do you qualify this? Gibberish.CallMeBigErn said:theknowledge said:
The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.CallMeBigErn said:
Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.OreDawg said:Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.
It might not be lightning in a bottle right away but he's going to bring stability and might be less about the glitzy glamorous Oregon hype machine.CallMeBigErn said:theknowledge said:
The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.CallMeBigErn said:
Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.OreDawg said:Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.
Oregon has a culture problem imo and Wilcox could very well be the type to fix it, or at least add a little substance to their charade.
What does this mean? Culture problem of good recruiting? Hiring good coaches? What substance to what charade? This entire post feels like it was written by a ML algorithm that doesn't quite understand the training data yet
Can you name literally any metric outside of "has ties to the physical area" that says Wilcox could be their Whittingham? Literally every sentence you typed is brutal wharrgarble nonsense.CallMeBigErn said:theknowledge said:
The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.CallMeBigErn said:
Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.OreDawg said:Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.
He will have the tools to do it. I could see him becoming Oregon's Whittingham. Not saying this will for sure happen by any means but I think it's a decent possibility that he's exactly what Oregon needs.
The one thing that would worry me as a Duck fan (and you alluded to this arguing the other way though) is his "stable" (read that as boring) type mentality. Oregon has always been loud, garish and new money rich. It's a huge part of their persona. That is not Wilcox. So I appreciate you thinking he might "fix" that in a sense, but I think fixing it would break them. It's a 2nd tier school in a shithole town. What makes them get top 10 recruiting classes is the new money swagger.
Just my thoughts. On balance, I hope like fuck UO hires Wilcocks because I think there is a 10% chance or less he kills it. But there is a chance. -
Im a little torn on the pending Oregon HC / staff transition. Crystalball is clearly a great recruiter, I’m mean look at the guys name. Wish he would stay forever because his coaching chops are perfectly mediocre. Gonna miss this guy too…
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Interim bowl coach. He gets ejected by halftime for sideline violationsRTD said:Im a little torn on the pending Oregon HC / staff transition. Crystalball is clearly a great recruiter, I’m mean look at the guys names. Wish he would stay forever because his coaching chops are perfectly mediocre. Gonna miss this guy too…
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If you're right, and he's substantially better than the record he has put up so far, then he's going to have to prove it. He'll have to take a sister of the poor program to significant heights. Bruce Snyder did it at Cal. Jeff Tedford did it at Cal. It can be done at Cal unless you're saying the school is more hostile to winning football now than it was then.CallMeBigErn said:
Yes, Wilcox doesn't have an outstanding HC record. Neither did Cristobal. There's a lot of factors as to why coaches don't succeed in certain places but do in others.chuck said:
I'd start by filtering my list down to coaches with winning records at the FBS or at least FCS level.CallMeBigErn said:
Who is attainable? All the big fish have been caught. I can't believe I'm debating who Oregon should hire. I just want whoever is going to fail miserably. I want another Taggart.chuck said:There must be at least 80 coaches out there, who are attainable for Oregon, who have more to show on their resume than Justin Wilcox. The only reason he is even mentioned for new or upcoming vacancies is because he has connections to the schools in question and because when it comes right down to it, ADs and even fans are so cowardly about trying someone new that they're more comfortable rationalizing "safe" mediocrity in their hires. When it came right down to it the majority of UW fans here even started to turn that way before the AD somehow stumbled into making the bold, correct choice.
The unwillingness to branch out reminds me of incest. I'm not sure if that nerdy chick is actually smoking hot or not, so I'm just going to screw my cousin who I already know is back to a solid 5 after her third kid.
It's Cal.
If not then he's going to have to find a different gig at a similar or lower tier and do something he hasn't done yet...win. Then he'll be a sensible consideration for upper echelon football programs. Right now he'd be a humiliating acceptance of mediocrity, a surrender, for any power five team with aspirations of championship football. That included UW and it sure as hell includes Oregon. -
A world might exist where UO was fully aware of this situation the whole time….
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FTFYMikeDamone said:
Interim bowl coach. He gets ejected by halftime for doping violationsRTD said:Im a little torn on the pending Oregon HC / staff transition. Crystalball is clearly a great recruiter, I’m mean look at the guys names. Wish he would stay forever because his coaching chops are perfectly mediocre. Gonna miss this guy too…
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Good lord. Cristobal toiled under the GOAT Saban for five years (OL, AHC/OL, then co-OC/OL) learning the ropes before returning to a HC role. He didn't go from FIU direct to Oregon. Mach 5 into steel wall levels of dumb doog takes in this thread.
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MikeDamone said:
Interim bowl coach. He gets ejected by halftime for sideline violationsRTD said:Im a little torn on the pending Oregon HC / staff transition. Crystalball is clearly a great recruiter, I’m mean look at the guys names. Wish he would stay forever because his coaching chops are perfectly mediocre. Gonna miss this guy too…
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Dumb doog takes at Mach 5 can melt steel beams.Gladstone said:Good lord. Cristobal toiled under the GOAT Saban for five years (OL, AHC/OL, then co-OC/OL) learning the ropes before returning to a HC role. He didn't go from FIU direct to Oregon. Mach 5 into steel wall levels of dumb doog takes in this thread.
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Wanna pull up the NFL draft charts for those years?MikeDamone said:
My point is Oregon’s floor with a dope like Helfrich is higher that UW’s ceiling as demonstrated by PetersenBeno4Life said:
It’s been pretty well documented by recruits, recruits’ parents (ie Hugh Breed Love Millen), and former staffers (ie Cooper Petagna) that Cristo cares more about recruiting than anything else and implores his staff to recruit like it’s the SEC.MikeDamone said:
Nike and PK recruits for Oregon. Who ever they get will recruit fine. The notion that MC is such an outstanding recruiter is a myth. I could recruit to Oregon just as well. Money talks.46XiJCAB said:
He’s Mario 2.0 w/o the recruiting. Absolute wrong choice which is why Mullins will hire him.Swaye said:
He actually could be. I don't think it's a high probability, but I see your main point. I mean there are mega resources there, and if he could luck into or find a really quality innovative offensive mind he could maybe do some damage there. I'd have hated him at UW, but there is a different dynamic there.CallMeBigErn said:
Bro, did you read the context? I'm saying there's a part of me that thinks that he could be the type to do so. Not saying he will ffs. I don't consider my opinion to be fact unlike some here. I'm raising the point that he could be good for Oregon as devil's advocate. Chill.Ice_Holmvik said:
You were just stating that hiring Wilcox would bring 20 years of stability to Oregon.CallMeBigErn said:
I prefer revolving door Oregon coaching. In fact, I love it. You don't see it that way and that's cool, Chuck. That's cool.chuck said:
Glad to see that my dog isn't the only one dumb enough to try fighting high volume sprinklers. There's also the one pictured, and @CallMeBigErnGladstone said:
Yes, as a Junction City kid and UO alum, he probably seems appealing from a "we're a stepping stone school" perspectiveCallMeBigErn said:theknowledge said:
The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.CallMeBigErn said:
Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.OreDawg said:Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.
My fear is that Wilcox, as an alum, could end up the type who's there for 20 years.
This is a bunch of platitude nonsense that doesn't mean anything. Bringing "stability" means nothing unless you're a good coach. This is one of those buzzwords on Twitter people throw out to try and sound smart. What does 'might be less about the glitzy glamorous Oregon hype machine' mean? How do you qualify this? Gibberish.CallMeBigErn said:theknowledge said:
The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.CallMeBigErn said:
Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.OreDawg said:Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.
It might not be lightning in a bottle right away but he's going to bring stability and might be less about the glitzy glamorous Oregon hype machine.CallMeBigErn said:theknowledge said:
The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.CallMeBigErn said:
Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.OreDawg said:Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.
Oregon has a culture problem imo and Wilcox could very well be the type to fix it, or at least add a little substance to their charade.
What does this mean? Culture problem of good recruiting? Hiring good coaches? What substance to what charade? This entire post feels like it was written by a ML algorithm that doesn't quite understand the training data yet
Can you name literally any metric outside of "has ties to the physical area" that says Wilcox could be their Whittingham? Literally every sentence you typed is brutal wharrgarble nonsense.CallMeBigErn said:theknowledge said:
The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.CallMeBigErn said:
Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.OreDawg said:Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.
He will have the tools to do it. I could see him becoming Oregon's Whittingham. Not saying this will for sure happen by any means but I think it's a decent possibility that he's exactly what Oregon needs.
The one thing that would worry me as a Duck fan (and you alluded to this arguing the other way though) is his "stable" (read that as boring) type mentality. Oregon has always been loud, garish and new money rich. It's a huge part of their persona. That is not Wilcox. So I appreciate you thinking he might "fix" that in a sense, but I think fixing it would break them. It's a 2nd tier school in a shithole town. What makes them get top 10 recruiting classes is the new money swagger.
Just my thoughts. On balance, I hope like fuck UO hires Wilcocks because I think there is a 10% chance or less he kills it. But there is a chance.
So yeah, combined that effort and acumen with PK money and you have top-10 classes. -
You're taking his worst classes and calling them his ceiling.MikeDamone said:
My point is Oregon’s floor with a dope like Helfrich is higher that UW’s ceiling as demonstrated by PetersenBeno4Life said:
It’s been pretty well documented by recruits, recruits’ parents (ie Hugh Breed Love Millen), and former staffers (ie Cooper Petagna) that Cristo cares more about recruiting than anything else and implores his staff to recruit like it’s the SEC.MikeDamone said:
Nike and PK recruits for Oregon. Who ever they get will recruit fine. The notion that MC is such an outstanding recruiter is a myth. I could recruit to Oregon just as well. Money talks.46XiJCAB said:
He’s Mario 2.0 w/o the recruiting. Absolute wrong choice which is why Mullins will hire him.Swaye said:
He actually could be. I don't think it's a high probability, but I see your main point. I mean there are mega resources there, and if he could luck into or find a really quality innovative offensive mind he could maybe do some damage there. I'd have hated him at UW, but there is a different dynamic there.CallMeBigErn said:
Bro, did you read the context? I'm saying there's a part of me that thinks that he could be the type to do so. Not saying he will ffs. I don't consider my opinion to be fact unlike some here. I'm raising the point that he could be good for Oregon as devil's advocate. Chill.Ice_Holmvik said:
You were just stating that hiring Wilcox would bring 20 years of stability to Oregon.CallMeBigErn said:
I prefer revolving door Oregon coaching. In fact, I love it. You don't see it that way and that's cool, Chuck. That's cool.chuck said:
Glad to see that my dog isn't the only one dumb enough to try fighting high volume sprinklers. There's also the one pictured, and @CallMeBigErnGladstone said:
Yes, as a Junction City kid and UO alum, he probably seems appealing from a "we're a stepping stone school" perspectiveCallMeBigErn said:theknowledge said:
The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.CallMeBigErn said:
Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.OreDawg said:Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.
My fear is that Wilcox, as an alum, could end up the type who's there for 20 years.
This is a bunch of platitude nonsense that doesn't mean anything. Bringing "stability" means nothing unless you're a good coach. This is one of those buzzwords on Twitter people throw out to try and sound smart. What does 'might be less about the glitzy glamorous Oregon hype machine' mean? How do you qualify this? Gibberish.CallMeBigErn said:theknowledge said:
The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.CallMeBigErn said:
Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.OreDawg said:Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.
It might not be lightning in a bottle right away but he's going to bring stability and might be less about the glitzy glamorous Oregon hype machine.CallMeBigErn said:theknowledge said:
The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.CallMeBigErn said:
Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.OreDawg said:Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.
Oregon has a culture problem imo and Wilcox could very well be the type to fix it, or at least add a little substance to their charade.
What does this mean? Culture problem of good recruiting? Hiring good coaches? What substance to what charade? This entire post feels like it was written by a ML algorithm that doesn't quite understand the training data yet
Can you name literally any metric outside of "has ties to the physical area" that says Wilcox could be their Whittingham? Literally every sentence you typed is brutal wharrgarble nonsense.CallMeBigErn said:theknowledge said:
The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.CallMeBigErn said:
Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.OreDawg said:Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.
He will have the tools to do it. I could see him becoming Oregon's Whittingham. Not saying this will for sure happen by any means but I think it's a decent possibility that he's exactly what Oregon needs.
The one thing that would worry me as a Duck fan (and you alluded to this arguing the other way though) is his "stable" (read that as boring) type mentality. Oregon has always been loud, garish and new money rich. It's a huge part of their persona. That is not Wilcox. So I appreciate you thinking he might "fix" that in a sense, but I think fixing it would break them. It's a 2nd tier school in a shithole town. What makes them get top 10 recruiting classes is the new money swagger.
Just my thoughts. On balance, I hope like fuck UO hires Wilcocks because I think there is a 10% chance or less he kills it. But there is a chance.
So yeah, combined that effort and acumen with PK money and you have top-10 classes.
They wasn't close to UW's ceiling, Pete proceeded to produce significantly better classes the very next season.
But I'm sure that's because Helfrich was gone. -
NOGAF about the NFL.BleachedAnusDawg said:
Wanna pull up the NFL draft charts for those years?MikeDamone said:
My point is Oregon’s floor with a dope like Helfrich is higher that UW’s ceiling as demonstrated by PetersenBeno4Life said:
It’s been pretty well documented by recruits, recruits’ parents (ie Hugh Breed Love Millen), and former staffers (ie Cooper Petagna) that Cristo cares more about recruiting than anything else and implores his staff to recruit like it’s the SEC.MikeDamone said:
Nike and PK recruits for Oregon. Who ever they get will recruit fine. The notion that MC is such an outstanding recruiter is a myth. I could recruit to Oregon just as well. Money talks.46XiJCAB said:
He’s Mario 2.0 w/o the recruiting. Absolute wrong choice which is why Mullins will hire him.Swaye said:
He actually could be. I don't think it's a high probability, but I see your main point. I mean there are mega resources there, and if he could luck into or find a really quality innovative offensive mind he could maybe do some damage there. I'd have hated him at UW, but there is a different dynamic there.CallMeBigErn said:
Bro, did you read the context? I'm saying there's a part of me that thinks that he could be the type to do so. Not saying he will ffs. I don't consider my opinion to be fact unlike some here. I'm raising the point that he could be good for Oregon as devil's advocate. Chill.Ice_Holmvik said:
You were just stating that hiring Wilcox would bring 20 years of stability to Oregon.CallMeBigErn said:
I prefer revolving door Oregon coaching. In fact, I love it. You don't see it that way and that's cool, Chuck. That's cool.chuck said:
Glad to see that my dog isn't the only one dumb enough to try fighting high volume sprinklers. There's also the one pictured, and @CallMeBigErnGladstone said:
Yes, as a Junction City kid and UO alum, he probably seems appealing from a "we're a stepping stone school" perspectiveCallMeBigErn said:theknowledge said:
The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.CallMeBigErn said:
Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.OreDawg said:Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.
My fear is that Wilcox, as an alum, could end up the type who's there for 20 years.
This is a bunch of platitude nonsense that doesn't mean anything. Bringing "stability" means nothing unless you're a good coach. This is one of those buzzwords on Twitter people throw out to try and sound smart. What does 'might be less about the glitzy glamorous Oregon hype machine' mean? How do you qualify this? Gibberish.CallMeBigErn said:theknowledge said:
The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.CallMeBigErn said:
Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.OreDawg said:Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.
It might not be lightning in a bottle right away but he's going to bring stability and might be less about the glitzy glamorous Oregon hype machine.CallMeBigErn said:theknowledge said:
The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.CallMeBigErn said:
Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.OreDawg said:Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.
Oregon has a culture problem imo and Wilcox could very well be the type to fix it, or at least add a little substance to their charade.
What does this mean? Culture problem of good recruiting? Hiring good coaches? What substance to what charade? This entire post feels like it was written by a ML algorithm that doesn't quite understand the training data yet
Can you name literally any metric outside of "has ties to the physical area" that says Wilcox could be their Whittingham? Literally every sentence you typed is brutal wharrgarble nonsense.CallMeBigErn said:theknowledge said:
The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.CallMeBigErn said:
Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.OreDawg said:Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.
He will have the tools to do it. I could see him becoming Oregon's Whittingham. Not saying this will for sure happen by any means but I think it's a decent possibility that he's exactly what Oregon needs.
The one thing that would worry me as a Duck fan (and you alluded to this arguing the other way though) is his "stable" (read that as boring) type mentality. Oregon has always been loud, garish and new money rich. It's a huge part of their persona. That is not Wilcox. So I appreciate you thinking he might "fix" that in a sense, but I think fixing it would break them. It's a 2nd tier school in a shithole town. What makes them get top 10 recruiting classes is the new money swagger.
Just my thoughts. On balance, I hope like fuck UO hires Wilcocks because I think there is a 10% chance or less he kills it. But there is a chance.
So yeah, combined that effort and acumen with PK money and you have top-10 classes. -
Helfrich out recruited Petersen head to head for 3 years. Simple fact.dnc said:
You're taking his worst classes and calling them his ceiling.MikeDamone said:
My point is Oregon’s floor with a dope like Helfrich is higher that UW’s ceiling as demonstrated by PetersenBeno4Life said:
It’s been pretty well documented by recruits, recruits’ parents (ie Hugh Breed Love Millen), and former staffers (ie Cooper Petagna) that Cristo cares more about recruiting than anything else and implores his staff to recruit like it’s the SEC.MikeDamone said:
Nike and PK recruits for Oregon. Who ever they get will recruit fine. The notion that MC is such an outstanding recruiter is a myth. I could recruit to Oregon just as well. Money talks.46XiJCAB said:
He’s Mario 2.0 w/o the recruiting. Absolute wrong choice which is why Mullins will hire him.Swaye said:
He actually could be. I don't think it's a high probability, but I see your main point. I mean there are mega resources there, and if he could luck into or find a really quality innovative offensive mind he could maybe do some damage there. I'd have hated him at UW, but there is a different dynamic there.CallMeBigErn said:
Bro, did you read the context? I'm saying there's a part of me that thinks that he could be the type to do so. Not saying he will ffs. I don't consider my opinion to be fact unlike some here. I'm raising the point that he could be good for Oregon as devil's advocate. Chill.Ice_Holmvik said:
You were just stating that hiring Wilcox would bring 20 years of stability to Oregon.CallMeBigErn said:
I prefer revolving door Oregon coaching. In fact, I love it. You don't see it that way and that's cool, Chuck. That's cool.chuck said:
Glad to see that my dog isn't the only one dumb enough to try fighting high volume sprinklers. There's also the one pictured, and @CallMeBigErnGladstone said:
Yes, as a Junction City kid and UO alum, he probably seems appealing from a "we're a stepping stone school" perspectiveCallMeBigErn said:theknowledge said:
The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.CallMeBigErn said:
Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.OreDawg said:Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.
My fear is that Wilcox, as an alum, could end up the type who's there for 20 years.
This is a bunch of platitude nonsense that doesn't mean anything. Bringing "stability" means nothing unless you're a good coach. This is one of those buzzwords on Twitter people throw out to try and sound smart. What does 'might be less about the glitzy glamorous Oregon hype machine' mean? How do you qualify this? Gibberish.CallMeBigErn said:theknowledge said:
The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.CallMeBigErn said:
Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.OreDawg said:Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.
It might not be lightning in a bottle right away but he's going to bring stability and might be less about the glitzy glamorous Oregon hype machine.CallMeBigErn said:theknowledge said:
The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.CallMeBigErn said:
Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.OreDawg said:Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.
Oregon has a culture problem imo and Wilcox could very well be the type to fix it, or at least add a little substance to their charade.
What does this mean? Culture problem of good recruiting? Hiring good coaches? What substance to what charade? This entire post feels like it was written by a ML algorithm that doesn't quite understand the training data yet
Can you name literally any metric outside of "has ties to the physical area" that says Wilcox could be their Whittingham? Literally every sentence you typed is brutal wharrgarble nonsense.CallMeBigErn said:theknowledge said:
The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.CallMeBigErn said:
Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.OreDawg said:Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.
He will have the tools to do it. I could see him becoming Oregon's Whittingham. Not saying this will for sure happen by any means but I think it's a decent possibility that he's exactly what Oregon needs.
The one thing that would worry me as a Duck fan (and you alluded to this arguing the other way though) is his "stable" (read that as boring) type mentality. Oregon has always been loud, garish and new money rich. It's a huge part of their persona. That is not Wilcox. So I appreciate you thinking he might "fix" that in a sense, but I think fixing it would break them. It's a 2nd tier school in a shithole town. What makes them get top 10 recruiting classes is the new money swagger.
Just my thoughts. On balance, I hope like fuck UO hires Wilcocks because I think there is a 10% chance or less he kills it. But there is a chance.
So yeah, combined that effort and acumen with PK money and you have top-10 classes.
They wasn't close to UW's ceiling, Pete proceeded to produce significantly better classes the very next season.
But I'm sure that's because Helfrich was gone. -
Direct reflection of how those Oregon 4-stars didn't perform.MikeDamone said:
NOGAF about the NFL.BleachedAnusDawg said:
Wanna pull up the NFL draft charts for those years?MikeDamone said:
My point is Oregon’s floor with a dope like Helfrich is higher that UW’s ceiling as demonstrated by PetersenBeno4Life said:
It’s been pretty well documented by recruits, recruits’ parents (ie Hugh Breed Love Millen), and former staffers (ie Cooper Petagna) that Cristo cares more about recruiting than anything else and implores his staff to recruit like it’s the SEC.MikeDamone said:
Nike and PK recruits for Oregon. Who ever they get will recruit fine. The notion that MC is such an outstanding recruiter is a myth. I could recruit to Oregon just as well. Money talks.46XiJCAB said:
He’s Mario 2.0 w/o the recruiting. Absolute wrong choice which is why Mullins will hire him.Swaye said:
He actually could be. I don't think it's a high probability, but I see your main point. I mean there are mega resources there, and if he could luck into or find a really quality innovative offensive mind he could maybe do some damage there. I'd have hated him at UW, but there is a different dynamic there.CallMeBigErn said:
Bro, did you read the context? I'm saying there's a part of me that thinks that he could be the type to do so. Not saying he will ffs. I don't consider my opinion to be fact unlike some here. I'm raising the point that he could be good for Oregon as devil's advocate. Chill.Ice_Holmvik said:
You were just stating that hiring Wilcox would bring 20 years of stability to Oregon.CallMeBigErn said:
I prefer revolving door Oregon coaching. In fact, I love it. You don't see it that way and that's cool, Chuck. That's cool.chuck said:
Glad to see that my dog isn't the only one dumb enough to try fighting high volume sprinklers. There's also the one pictured, and @CallMeBigErnGladstone said:
Yes, as a Junction City kid and UO alum, he probably seems appealing from a "we're a stepping stone school" perspectiveCallMeBigErn said:theknowledge said:
The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.CallMeBigErn said:
Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.OreDawg said:Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.
My fear is that Wilcox, as an alum, could end up the type who's there for 20 years.
This is a bunch of platitude nonsense that doesn't mean anything. Bringing "stability" means nothing unless you're a good coach. This is one of those buzzwords on Twitter people throw out to try and sound smart. What does 'might be less about the glitzy glamorous Oregon hype machine' mean? How do you qualify this? Gibberish.CallMeBigErn said:theknowledge said:
The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.CallMeBigErn said:
Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.OreDawg said:Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.
It might not be lightning in a bottle right away but he's going to bring stability and might be less about the glitzy glamorous Oregon hype machine.CallMeBigErn said:theknowledge said:
The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.CallMeBigErn said:
Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.OreDawg said:Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.
Oregon has a culture problem imo and Wilcox could very well be the type to fix it, or at least add a little substance to their charade.
What does this mean? Culture problem of good recruiting? Hiring good coaches? What substance to what charade? This entire post feels like it was written by a ML algorithm that doesn't quite understand the training data yet
Can you name literally any metric outside of "has ties to the physical area" that says Wilcox could be their Whittingham? Literally every sentence you typed is brutal wharrgarble nonsense.CallMeBigErn said:theknowledge said:
The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.CallMeBigErn said:
Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.OreDawg said:Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.
He will have the tools to do it. I could see him becoming Oregon's Whittingham. Not saying this will for sure happen by any means but I think it's a decent possibility that he's exactly what Oregon needs.
The one thing that would worry me as a Duck fan (and you alluded to this arguing the other way though) is his "stable" (read that as boring) type mentality. Oregon has always been loud, garish and new money rich. It's a huge part of their persona. That is not Wilcox. So I appreciate you thinking he might "fix" that in a sense, but I think fixing it would break them. It's a 2nd tier school in a shithole town. What makes them get top 10 recruiting classes is the new money swagger.
Just my thoughts. On balance, I hope like fuck UO hires Wilcocks because I think there is a 10% chance or less he kills it. But there is a chance.
So yeah, combined that effort and acumen with PK money and you have top-10 classes. -
His point isn't about the NFL. The best players go play there. Petersen sent more players to the NFL than Helf because he had better players...because he recruited better players.MikeDamone said:
NOGAF about the NFL.BleachedAnusDawg said:
Wanna pull up the NFL draft charts for those years?MikeDamone said:
My point is Oregon’s floor with a dope like Helfrich is higher that UW’s ceiling as demonstrated by PetersenBeno4Life said:
It’s been pretty well documented by recruits, recruits’ parents (ie Hugh Breed Love Millen), and former staffers (ie Cooper Petagna) that Cristo cares more about recruiting than anything else and implores his staff to recruit like it’s the SEC.MikeDamone said:
Nike and PK recruits for Oregon. Who ever they get will recruit fine. The notion that MC is such an outstanding recruiter is a myth. I could recruit to Oregon just as well. Money talks.46XiJCAB said:
He’s Mario 2.0 w/o the recruiting. Absolute wrong choice which is why Mullins will hire him.Swaye said:
He actually could be. I don't think it's a high probability, but I see your main point. I mean there are mega resources there, and if he could luck into or find a really quality innovative offensive mind he could maybe do some damage there. I'd have hated him at UW, but there is a different dynamic there.CallMeBigErn said:
Bro, did you read the context? I'm saying there's a part of me that thinks that he could be the type to do so. Not saying he will ffs. I don't consider my opinion to be fact unlike some here. I'm raising the point that he could be good for Oregon as devil's advocate. Chill.Ice_Holmvik said:
You were just stating that hiring Wilcox would bring 20 years of stability to Oregon.CallMeBigErn said:
I prefer revolving door Oregon coaching. In fact, I love it. You don't see it that way and that's cool, Chuck. That's cool.chuck said:
Glad to see that my dog isn't the only one dumb enough to try fighting high volume sprinklers. There's also the one pictured, and @CallMeBigErnGladstone said:
Yes, as a Junction City kid and UO alum, he probably seems appealing from a "we're a stepping stone school" perspectiveCallMeBigErn said:theknowledge said:
The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.CallMeBigErn said:
Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.OreDawg said:Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.
My fear is that Wilcox, as an alum, could end up the type who's there for 20 years.
This is a bunch of platitude nonsense that doesn't mean anything. Bringing "stability" means nothing unless you're a good coach. This is one of those buzzwords on Twitter people throw out to try and sound smart. What does 'might be less about the glitzy glamorous Oregon hype machine' mean? How do you qualify this? Gibberish.CallMeBigErn said:theknowledge said:
The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.CallMeBigErn said:
Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.OreDawg said:Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.
It might not be lightning in a bottle right away but he's going to bring stability and might be less about the glitzy glamorous Oregon hype machine.CallMeBigErn said:theknowledge said:
The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.CallMeBigErn said:
Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.OreDawg said:Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.
Oregon has a culture problem imo and Wilcox could very well be the type to fix it, or at least add a little substance to their charade.
What does this mean? Culture problem of good recruiting? Hiring good coaches? What substance to what charade? This entire post feels like it was written by a ML algorithm that doesn't quite understand the training data yet
Can you name literally any metric outside of "has ties to the physical area" that says Wilcox could be their Whittingham? Literally every sentence you typed is brutal wharrgarble nonsense.CallMeBigErn said:theknowledge said:
The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.CallMeBigErn said:
Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.OreDawg said:Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.
He will have the tools to do it. I could see him becoming Oregon's Whittingham. Not saying this will for sure happen by any means but I think it's a decent possibility that he's exactly what Oregon needs.
The one thing that would worry me as a Duck fan (and you alluded to this arguing the other way though) is his "stable" (read that as boring) type mentality. Oregon has always been loud, garish and new money rich. It's a huge part of their persona. That is not Wilcox. So I appreciate you thinking he might "fix" that in a sense, but I think fixing it would break them. It's a 2nd tier school in a shithole town. What makes them get top 10 recruiting classes is the new money swagger.
Just my thoughts. On balance, I hope like fuck UO hires Wilcocks because I think there is a 10% chance or less he kills it. But there is a chance.
So yeah, combined that effort and acumen with PK money and you have top-10 classes.
Simple fact. -
That’s a function of coaching. Not recruiting. No one disputes Helfrich was a shitty coach.BleachedAnusDawg said:
Direct reflection of how those Oregon 4-stars didn't perform.MikeDamone said:
NOGAF about the NFL.BleachedAnusDawg said:
Wanna pull up the NFL draft charts for those years?MikeDamone said:
My point is Oregon’s floor with a dope like Helfrich is higher that UW’s ceiling as demonstrated by PetersenBeno4Life said:
It’s been pretty well documented by recruits, recruits’ parents (ie Hugh Breed Love Millen), and former staffers (ie Cooper Petagna) that Cristo cares more about recruiting than anything else and implores his staff to recruit like it’s the SEC.MikeDamone said:
Nike and PK recruits for Oregon. Who ever they get will recruit fine. The notion that MC is such an outstanding recruiter is a myth. I could recruit to Oregon just as well. Money talks.46XiJCAB said:
He’s Mario 2.0 w/o the recruiting. Absolute wrong choice which is why Mullins will hire him.Swaye said:
He actually could be. I don't think it's a high probability, but I see your main point. I mean there are mega resources there, and if he could luck into or find a really quality innovative offensive mind he could maybe do some damage there. I'd have hated him at UW, but there is a different dynamic there.CallMeBigErn said:
Bro, did you read the context? I'm saying there's a part of me that thinks that he could be the type to do so. Not saying he will ffs. I don't consider my opinion to be fact unlike some here. I'm raising the point that he could be good for Oregon as devil's advocate. Chill.Ice_Holmvik said:
You were just stating that hiring Wilcox would bring 20 years of stability to Oregon.CallMeBigErn said:
I prefer revolving door Oregon coaching. In fact, I love it. You don't see it that way and that's cool, Chuck. That's cool.chuck said:
Glad to see that my dog isn't the only one dumb enough to try fighting high volume sprinklers. There's also the one pictured, and @CallMeBigErnGladstone said:
Yes, as a Junction City kid and UO alum, he probably seems appealing from a "we're a stepping stone school" perspectiveCallMeBigErn said:theknowledge said:
The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.CallMeBigErn said:
Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.OreDawg said:Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.
My fear is that Wilcox, as an alum, could end up the type who's there for 20 years.
This is a bunch of platitude nonsense that doesn't mean anything. Bringing "stability" means nothing unless you're a good coach. This is one of those buzzwords on Twitter people throw out to try and sound smart. What does 'might be less about the glitzy glamorous Oregon hype machine' mean? How do you qualify this? Gibberish.CallMeBigErn said:theknowledge said:
The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.CallMeBigErn said:
Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.OreDawg said:Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.
It might not be lightning in a bottle right away but he's going to bring stability and might be less about the glitzy glamorous Oregon hype machine.CallMeBigErn said:theknowledge said:
The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.CallMeBigErn said:
Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.OreDawg said:Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.
Oregon has a culture problem imo and Wilcox could very well be the type to fix it, or at least add a little substance to their charade.
What does this mean? Culture problem of good recruiting? Hiring good coaches? What substance to what charade? This entire post feels like it was written by a ML algorithm that doesn't quite understand the training data yet
Can you name literally any metric outside of "has ties to the physical area" that says Wilcox could be their Whittingham? Literally every sentence you typed is brutal wharrgarble nonsense.CallMeBigErn said:theknowledge said:
The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.CallMeBigErn said:
Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.OreDawg said:Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.
He will have the tools to do it. I could see him becoming Oregon's Whittingham. Not saying this will for sure happen by any means but I think it's a decent possibility that he's exactly what Oregon needs.
The one thing that would worry me as a Duck fan (and you alluded to this arguing the other way though) is his "stable" (read that as boring) type mentality. Oregon has always been loud, garish and new money rich. It's a huge part of their persona. That is not Wilcox. So I appreciate you thinking he might "fix" that in a sense, but I think fixing it would break them. It's a 2nd tier school in a shithole town. What makes them get top 10 recruiting classes is the new money swagger.
Just my thoughts. On balance, I hope like fuck UO hires Wilcocks because I think there is a 10% chance or less he kills it. But there is a chance.
So yeah, combined that effort and acumen with PK money and you have top-10 classes.
The point here, for you dumb asses who can’t follow along, isn’t that Helfrich is a better recruiter than Petersen, it’s a discussion that Oregon recruits itself to a large extent because of Phil Knight/Nike. Cristobal did better than Helfrich because he’s better than Helfrich, but he gets to start on 2nd base Petersen didn’t blow the doors off a dumbshit like Helfrich because again, Helfrich starts on 2nd base.
The NFL shit is stupid. Petersen is a better coach and had better assistants. If Helfrich and Peterson have similar talent to work,with, of course Petersen is going to have better results. -
No. He developed them better. Simple fact. Unless you’re going the RANKINGS DON’T MATTER! route. Which is FS.chuck said:
His point isn't about the NFL. The best players go play there. Petersen sent more players to the NFL than Helf because he had better players...because he recruited better players.MikeDamone said:
NOGAF about the NFL.BleachedAnusDawg said:
Wanna pull up the NFL draft charts for those years?MikeDamone said:
My point is Oregon’s floor with a dope like Helfrich is higher that UW’s ceiling as demonstrated by PetersenBeno4Life said:
It’s been pretty well documented by recruits, recruits’ parents (ie Hugh Breed Love Millen), and former staffers (ie Cooper Petagna) that Cristo cares more about recruiting than anything else and implores his staff to recruit like it’s the SEC.MikeDamone said:
Nike and PK recruits for Oregon. Who ever they get will recruit fine. The notion that MC is such an outstanding recruiter is a myth. I could recruit to Oregon just as well. Money talks.46XiJCAB said:
He’s Mario 2.0 w/o the recruiting. Absolute wrong choice which is why Mullins will hire him.Swaye said:
He actually could be. I don't think it's a high probability, but I see your main point. I mean there are mega resources there, and if he could luck into or find a really quality innovative offensive mind he could maybe do some damage there. I'd have hated him at UW, but there is a different dynamic there.CallMeBigErn said:
Bro, did you read the context? I'm saying there's a part of me that thinks that he could be the type to do so. Not saying he will ffs. I don't consider my opinion to be fact unlike some here. I'm raising the point that he could be good for Oregon as devil's advocate. Chill.Ice_Holmvik said:
You were just stating that hiring Wilcox would bring 20 years of stability to Oregon.CallMeBigErn said:
I prefer revolving door Oregon coaching. In fact, I love it. You don't see it that way and that's cool, Chuck. That's cool.chuck said:
Glad to see that my dog isn't the only one dumb enough to try fighting high volume sprinklers. There's also the one pictured, and @CallMeBigErnGladstone said:
Yes, as a Junction City kid and UO alum, he probably seems appealing from a "we're a stepping stone school" perspectiveCallMeBigErn said:theknowledge said:
The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.CallMeBigErn said:
Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.OreDawg said:Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.
My fear is that Wilcox, as an alum, could end up the type who's there for 20 years.
This is a bunch of platitude nonsense that doesn't mean anything. Bringing "stability" means nothing unless you're a good coach. This is one of those buzzwords on Twitter people throw out to try and sound smart. What does 'might be less about the glitzy glamorous Oregon hype machine' mean? How do you qualify this? Gibberish.CallMeBigErn said:theknowledge said:
The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.CallMeBigErn said:
Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.OreDawg said:Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.
It might not be lightning in a bottle right away but he's going to bring stability and might be less about the glitzy glamorous Oregon hype machine.CallMeBigErn said:theknowledge said:
The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.CallMeBigErn said:
Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.OreDawg said:Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.
Oregon has a culture problem imo and Wilcox could very well be the type to fix it, or at least add a little substance to their charade.
What does this mean? Culture problem of good recruiting? Hiring good coaches? What substance to what charade? This entire post feels like it was written by a ML algorithm that doesn't quite understand the training data yet
Can you name literally any metric outside of "has ties to the physical area" that says Wilcox could be their Whittingham? Literally every sentence you typed is brutal wharrgarble nonsense.CallMeBigErn said:theknowledge said:
The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.CallMeBigErn said:
Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.OreDawg said:Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.
He will have the tools to do it. I could see him becoming Oregon's Whittingham. Not saying this will for sure happen by any means but I think it's a decent possibility that he's exactly what Oregon needs.
The one thing that would worry me as a Duck fan (and you alluded to this arguing the other way though) is his "stable" (read that as boring) type mentality. Oregon has always been loud, garish and new money rich. It's a huge part of their persona. That is not Wilcox. So I appreciate you thinking he might "fix" that in a sense, but I think fixing it would break them. It's a 2nd tier school in a shithole town. What makes them get top 10 recruiting classes is the new money swagger.
Just my thoughts. On balance, I hope like fuck UO hires Wilcocks because I think there is a 10% chance or less he kills it. But there is a chance.
So yeah, combined that effort and acumen with PK money and you have top-10 classes.
Simple fact. -
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Absolute scenes on here.
Doogman 2.forever
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Damone tearing everyone apart. It’s in Husky DNA to not acknowledge the truth so no surprise there.MikeDamone said:
That’s a function of coaching. Not recruiting. No one disputes Helfrich was a shitty coach.BleachedAnusDawg said:
Direct reflection of how those Oregon 4-stars didn't perform.MikeDamone said:
NOGAF about the NFL.BleachedAnusDawg said:
Wanna pull up the NFL draft charts for those years?MikeDamone said:
My point is Oregon’s floor with a dope like Helfrich is higher that UW’s ceiling as demonstrated by PetersenBeno4Life said:
It’s been pretty well documented by recruits, recruits’ parents (ie Hugh Breed Love Millen), and former staffers (ie Cooper Petagna) that Cristo cares more about recruiting than anything else and implores his staff to recruit like it’s the SEC.MikeDamone said:
Nike and PK recruits for Oregon. Who ever they get will recruit fine. The notion that MC is such an outstanding recruiter is a myth. I could recruit to Oregon just as well. Money talks.46XiJCAB said:
He’s Mario 2.0 w/o the recruiting. Absolute wrong choice which is why Mullins will hire him.Swaye said:
He actually could be. I don't think it's a high probability, but I see your main point. I mean there are mega resources there, and if he could luck into or find a really quality innovative offensive mind he could maybe do some damage there. I'd have hated him at UW, but there is a different dynamic there.CallMeBigErn said:
Bro, did you read the context? I'm saying there's a part of me that thinks that he could be the type to do so. Not saying he will ffs. I don't consider my opinion to be fact unlike some here. I'm raising the point that he could be good for Oregon as devil's advocate. Chill.Ice_Holmvik said:
You were just stating that hiring Wilcox would bring 20 years of stability to Oregon.CallMeBigErn said:
I prefer revolving door Oregon coaching. In fact, I love it. You don't see it that way and that's cool, Chuck. That's cool.chuck said:
Glad to see that my dog isn't the only one dumb enough to try fighting high volume sprinklers. There's also the one pictured, and @CallMeBigErnGladstone said:
Yes, as a Junction City kid and UO alum, he probably seems appealing from a "we're a stepping stone school" perspectiveCallMeBigErn said:theknowledge said:
The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.CallMeBigErn said:
Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.OreDawg said:Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.
My fear is that Wilcox, as an alum, could end up the type who's there for 20 years.
This is a bunch of platitude nonsense that doesn't mean anything. Bringing "stability" means nothing unless you're a good coach. This is one of those buzzwords on Twitter people throw out to try and sound smart. What does 'might be less about the glitzy glamorous Oregon hype machine' mean? How do you qualify this? Gibberish.CallMeBigErn said:theknowledge said:
The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.CallMeBigErn said:
Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.OreDawg said:Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.
It might not be lightning in a bottle right away but he's going to bring stability and might be less about the glitzy glamorous Oregon hype machine.CallMeBigErn said:theknowledge said:
The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.CallMeBigErn said:
Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.OreDawg said:Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.
Oregon has a culture problem imo and Wilcox could very well be the type to fix it, or at least add a little substance to their charade.
What does this mean? Culture problem of good recruiting? Hiring good coaches? What substance to what charade? This entire post feels like it was written by a ML algorithm that doesn't quite understand the training data yet
Can you name literally any metric outside of "has ties to the physical area" that says Wilcox could be their Whittingham? Literally every sentence you typed is brutal wharrgarble nonsense.CallMeBigErn said:theknowledge said:
The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.CallMeBigErn said:
Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.OreDawg said:Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.
He will have the tools to do it. I could see him becoming Oregon's Whittingham. Not saying this will for sure happen by any means but I think it's a decent possibility that he's exactly what Oregon needs.
The one thing that would worry me as a Duck fan (and you alluded to this arguing the other way though) is his "stable" (read that as boring) type mentality. Oregon has always been loud, garish and new money rich. It's a huge part of their persona. That is not Wilcox. So I appreciate you thinking he might "fix" that in a sense, but I think fixing it would break them. It's a 2nd tier school in a shithole town. What makes them get top 10 recruiting classes is the new money swagger.
Just my thoughts. On balance, I hope like fuck UO hires Wilcocks because I think there is a 10% chance or less he kills it. But there is a chance.
So yeah, combined that effort and acumen with PK money and you have top-10 classes.
The point here, for you dumb asses who can’t follow along, isn’t that Helfrich is a better recruiter than Petersen, it’s a discussion that Oregon recruits itself to a large extent because of Phil Knight/Nike. Cristobal did better than Helfrich because he’s better than Helfrich, but he gets to start on 2nd base Petersen didn’t blow the doors off a dumbshit like Helfrich because again, Helfrich starts on 2nd base.
The NFL shit is stupid. Petersen is a better coach and had better assistants. If Helfrich and Peterson have similar talent to work,with, of course Petersen is going to have better results.
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That's fair. I'm not saying they SHOULD hire Wilcox because he's proven to be a great coach or something. Don't twist. I'm saying I think he's a better coach than some here think and would not be surprised in the slightest if he was successful at O. The situation is 10x better than Cal. I think Oregon could do worse and I hope they do.chuck said:
If you're right, and he's substantially better than the record he has put up so far, then he's going to have to prove it. He'll have to take a sister of the poor program to significant heights. Bruce Snyder did it at Cal. Jeff Tedford did it at Cal. It can be done at Cal unless you're saying the school is more hostile to winning football now than it was then.CallMeBigErn said:
Yes, Wilcox doesn't have an outstanding HC record. Neither did Cristobal. There's a lot of factors as to why coaches don't succeed in certain places but do in others.chuck said:
I'd start by filtering my list down to coaches with winning records at the FBS or at least FCS level.CallMeBigErn said:
Who is attainable? All the big fish have been caught. I can't believe I'm debating who Oregon should hire. I just want whoever is going to fail miserably. I want another Taggart.chuck said:There must be at least 80 coaches out there, who are attainable for Oregon, who have more to show on their resume than Justin Wilcox. The only reason he is even mentioned for new or upcoming vacancies is because he has connections to the schools in question and because when it comes right down to it, ADs and even fans are so cowardly about trying someone new that they're more comfortable rationalizing "safe" mediocrity in their hires. When it came right down to it the majority of UW fans here even started to turn that way before the AD somehow stumbled into making the bold, correct choice.
The unwillingness to branch out reminds me of incest. I'm not sure if that nerdy chick is actually smoking hot or not, so I'm just going to screw my cousin who I already know is back to a solid 5 after her third kid.
It's Cal.
If not then he's going to have to find a different gig at a similar or lower tier and do something he hasn't done yet...win. Then he'll be a sensible consideration for upper echelon football programs. Right now he'd be a humiliating acceptance of mediocrity, a surrender, for any power five team with aspirations of championship football. That included UW and it sure as hell includes Oregon.
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Us losing you Utah and you hiring the Fresno guy?haie said:
two mountain west humiliations.MikeSeaver said:
Or the Rose Bowl humiliation.haie said:
2018 huskies without the conference title.PasadenaHuskyFan said:Oregon is really going to finish 10-4 😂
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The rankings don't really matter when you only give them a cursory glance. They were rated slightly higher. The ranking difference is insignificant.MikeDamone said:
No. He developed them better. Simple fact. Unless you’re going the RANKINGS DON’T MATTER! route. Which is FS.chuck said:
His point isn't about the NFL. The best players go play there. Petersen sent more players to the NFL than Helf because he had better players...because he recruited better players.MikeDamone said:
NOGAF about the NFL.BleachedAnusDawg said:
Wanna pull up the NFL draft charts for those years?MikeDamone said:
My point is Oregon’s floor with a dope like Helfrich is higher that UW’s ceiling as demonstrated by PetersenBeno4Life said:
It’s been pretty well documented by recruits, recruits’ parents (ie Hugh Breed Love Millen), and former staffers (ie Cooper Petagna) that Cristo cares more about recruiting than anything else and implores his staff to recruit like it’s the SEC.MikeDamone said:
Nike and PK recruits for Oregon. Who ever they get will recruit fine. The notion that MC is such an outstanding recruiter is a myth. I could recruit to Oregon just as well. Money talks.46XiJCAB said:
He’s Mario 2.0 w/o the recruiting. Absolute wrong choice which is why Mullins will hire him.Swaye said:
He actually could be. I don't think it's a high probability, but I see your main point. I mean there are mega resources there, and if he could luck into or find a really quality innovative offensive mind he could maybe do some damage there. I'd have hated him at UW, but there is a different dynamic there.CallMeBigErn said:
Bro, did you read the context? I'm saying there's a part of me that thinks that he could be the type to do so. Not saying he will ffs. I don't consider my opinion to be fact unlike some here. I'm raising the point that he could be good for Oregon as devil's advocate. Chill.Ice_Holmvik said:
You were just stating that hiring Wilcox would bring 20 years of stability to Oregon.CallMeBigErn said:
I prefer revolving door Oregon coaching. In fact, I love it. You don't see it that way and that's cool, Chuck. That's cool.chuck said:
Glad to see that my dog isn't the only one dumb enough to try fighting high volume sprinklers. There's also the one pictured, and @CallMeBigErnGladstone said:
Yes, as a Junction City kid and UO alum, he probably seems appealing from a "we're a stepping stone school" perspectiveCallMeBigErn said:theknowledge said:
The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.CallMeBigErn said:
Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.OreDawg said:Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.
My fear is that Wilcox, as an alum, could end up the type who's there for 20 years.
This is a bunch of platitude nonsense that doesn't mean anything. Bringing "stability" means nothing unless you're a good coach. This is one of those buzzwords on Twitter people throw out to try and sound smart. What does 'might be less about the glitzy glamorous Oregon hype machine' mean? How do you qualify this? Gibberish.CallMeBigErn said:theknowledge said:
The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.CallMeBigErn said:
Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.OreDawg said:Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.
It might not be lightning in a bottle right away but he's going to bring stability and might be less about the glitzy glamorous Oregon hype machine.CallMeBigErn said:theknowledge said:
The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.CallMeBigErn said:
Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.OreDawg said:Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.
Oregon has a culture problem imo and Wilcox could very well be the type to fix it, or at least add a little substance to their charade.
What does this mean? Culture problem of good recruiting? Hiring good coaches? What substance to what charade? This entire post feels like it was written by a ML algorithm that doesn't quite understand the training data yet
Can you name literally any metric outside of "has ties to the physical area" that says Wilcox could be their Whittingham? Literally every sentence you typed is brutal wharrgarble nonsense.CallMeBigErn said:theknowledge said:
The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.CallMeBigErn said:
Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.OreDawg said:Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.
He will have the tools to do it. I could see him becoming Oregon's Whittingham. Not saying this will for sure happen by any means but I think it's a decent possibility that he's exactly what Oregon needs.
The one thing that would worry me as a Duck fan (and you alluded to this arguing the other way though) is his "stable" (read that as boring) type mentality. Oregon has always been loud, garish and new money rich. It's a huge part of their persona. That is not Wilcox. So I appreciate you thinking he might "fix" that in a sense, but I think fixing it would break them. It's a 2nd tier school in a shithole town. What makes them get top 10 recruiting classes is the new money swagger.
Just my thoughts. On balance, I hope like fuck UO hires Wilcocks because I think there is a 10% chance or less he kills it. But there is a chance.
So yeah, combined that effort and acumen with PK money and you have top-10 classes.
Simple fact.
I sure as hell don't value rankings over actual performance. You're just reaching into the bag of doogish excuses to try supporting your point. Petersen's players were better, therefore he recruited better. When you're not a top 5 recruiting program, eval matters way more than rankings do. Petersen evaluated better and recruited better. Simple. You can argue otherwise but you can't support it with anything other than your customary cuntiness. -
Cringey, even for you.MikeSeaver said:
Us losing you Utah and you hiring the Fresno guy?haie said:
two mountain west humiliations.MikeSeaver said:
Or the Rose Bowl humiliation.haie said:
2018 huskies without the conference title.PasadenaHuskyFan said:Oregon is really going to finish 10-4 😂
