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I want Oregon to make the worst hire possible. If that's Wilcox, great. I just have a gut feeling that he's not the worst they can do. He's generally regarded as a good coach. I don't hold his successes/lack of successes at Cal as much of a barometer. Have you been to a game at Cal? If it got any more exciting a funeral would break out. It's not a great gig, he's hamstrung, he wants out in the worst way, and he has 1/10th the resources he would at Oregon. He's not a hype man and he's not the type to make a jump after 2 years to the NFL. He's a good dude with substance. Cristobal is a used car salesman. Remember, Oregon was at their best with the Bellotti/Kelly tree. They weren't getting top 5 classes, but they were a program with amazing stability and coaching. I see Wilcox as being the type to establish that type of stability over time (if he's any good, of course). Y'all may want Wilcox to Oregon based on his Cal history but I'm not convinced that he wouldn't be successful at O. Just a gut feeling.chuck said:
A decent possibility is enough to justify a hire of a coach who has never succeeded anywhere?CallMeBigErn said:
You may be right. You also may not be right. I'm just saying there's a decent possibility of him being better at Oregon with their resources than you might think. You folks need some Xannies.dnc said:
Wilcox sucks. I pray they hire him.CallMeBigErn said:Didn't realize suggesting Wilcox could be a good hire for Oregon was so triggering. What a bunch of fags.
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He’s Mario 2.0 w/o the recruiting. Absolute wrong choice which is why Mullins will hire him.Swaye said:
He actually could be. I don't think it's a high probability, but I see your main point. I mean there are mega resources there, and if he could luck into or find a really quality innovative offensive mind he could maybe do some damage there. I'd have hated him at UW, but there is a different dynamic there.CallMeBigErn said:
Bro, did you read the context? I'm saying there's a part of me that thinks that he could be the type to do so. Not saying he will ffs. I don't consider my opinion to be fact unlike some here. I'm raising the point that he could be good for Oregon as devil's advocate. Chill.Ice_Holmvik said:
You were just stating that hiring Wilcox would bring 20 years of stability to Oregon.CallMeBigErn said:
I prefer revolving door Oregon coaching. In fact, I love it. You don't see it that way and that's cool, Chuck. That's cool.chuck said:
Glad to see that my dog isn't the only one dumb enough to try fighting high volume sprinklers. There's also the one pictured, and @CallMeBigErnGladstone said:
Yes, as a Junction City kid and UO alum, he probably seems appealing from a "we're a stepping stone school" perspectiveCallMeBigErn said:theknowledge said:
The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.CallMeBigErn said:
Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.OreDawg said:Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.
My fear is that Wilcox, as an alum, could end up the type who's there for 20 years.
This is a bunch of platitude nonsense that doesn't mean anything. Bringing "stability" means nothing unless you're a good coach. This is one of those buzzwords on Twitter people throw out to try and sound smart. What does 'might be less about the glitzy glamorous Oregon hype machine' mean? How do you qualify this? Gibberish.CallMeBigErn said:theknowledge said:
The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.CallMeBigErn said:
Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.OreDawg said:Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.
It might not be lightning in a bottle right away but he's going to bring stability and might be less about the glitzy glamorous Oregon hype machine.CallMeBigErn said:theknowledge said:
The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.CallMeBigErn said:
Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.OreDawg said:Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.
Oregon has a culture problem imo and Wilcox could very well be the type to fix it, or at least add a little substance to their charade.
What does this mean? Culture problem of good recruiting? Hiring good coaches? What substance to what charade? This entire post feels like it was written by a ML algorithm that doesn't quite understand the training data yet
Can you name literally any metric outside of "has ties to the physical area" that says Wilcox could be their Whittingham? Literally every sentence you typed is brutal wharrgarble nonsense.CallMeBigErn said:theknowledge said:
The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.CallMeBigErn said:
Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.OreDawg said:Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.
He will have the tools to do it. I could see him becoming Oregon's Whittingham. Not saying this will for sure happen by any means but I think it's a decent possibility that he's exactly what Oregon needs.
The one thing that would worry me as a Duck fan (and you alluded to this arguing the other way though) is his "stable" (read that as boring) type mentality. Oregon has always been loud, garish and new money rich. It's a huge part of their persona. That is not Wilcox. So I appreciate you thinking he might "fix" that in a sense, but I think fixing it would break them. It's a 2nd tier school in a shithole town. What makes them get top 10 recruiting classes is the new money swagger.
Just my thoughts. On balance, I hope like fuck UO hires Wilcocks because I think there is a 10% chance or less he kills it. But there is a chance. -
I'm the opposite of triggered, I just didn't understand that post at all. It was just a bunch of meaningless dross sentences slapped together. I agree that Wilcox (or almost anyone) could conceivably work out. Their AD gives a fuck about winning, and that goes a long way.
Now explain what "might be less about the glitzy glamorous Oregon hype machine" means because I'm genuinely curious. Let's start there and then move to some of your other sentences. -
See: Mario Cristobal, Willie TaggartGladstone said:I'm the opposite of triggered, I just didn't understand that post at all. It was just a bunch of meaningless dross sentences slapped together. I agree that Wilcox (or almost anyone) could conceivably work out. Their AD gives a fuck about winning, and that goes a long way.
Now explain what "might be less about the glitzy glamorous Oregon hype machine" means because I'm genuinely curious. Let's start there and then move to some of your other sentences.
I didn't think this was too difficult to understand but I'll try and make it a little easier for you to digest. I fear a good (maybe?) stable (maybe?) coach who wants to be there with resources more than a used car salesman. See: Bellotti, Chip (before he went pro).
Do you understand my point now or would you like me to draw a picture? -
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Wilcox would be a GREAT hire…CallMeBigErn said:Didn't realize suggesting Wilcox could be a good hire for Oregon was so triggering. What a bunch of fags.
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There must be at least 80 coaches out there, who are attainable for Oregon, who have more to show on their resume than Justin Wilcox. The only reason he is even mentioned for new or upcoming vacancies is because he has connections to the schools in question and because when it comes right down to it, ADs and even fans are so cowardly about trying someone new that they're more comfortable rationalizing "safe" mediocrity in their hires. When it came right down to it the majority of UW fans here even started to turn that way before the AD somehow stumbled into making the bold, correct choice.
The unwillingness to branch out reminds me of incest. I'm not sure if that nerdy chick is actually smoking hot or not, so I'm just going to screw my cousin who I already know is back to a solid 5 after her third kid. -
Who is attainable? All the big fish have been caught. I can't believe I'm debating who Oregon should hire. I just want whoever is going to fail miserably. I want another Taggart.chuck said:There must be at least 80 coaches out there, who are attainable for Oregon, who have more to show on their resume than Justin Wilcox. The only reason he is even mentioned for new or upcoming vacancies is because he has connections to the schools in question and because when it comes right down to it, ADs and even fans are so cowardly about trying someone new that they're more comfortable rationalizing "safe" mediocrity in their hires. When it came right down to it the majority of UW fans here even started to turn that way before the AD somehow stumbled into making the bold, correct choice.
The unwillingness to branch out reminds me of incest. I'm not sure if that nerdy chick is actually smoking hot or not, so I'm just going to screw my cousin who I already know is back to a solid 5 after her third kid. -
You are en fuego.chuck said:There must be at least 80 coaches out there, who are attainable for Oregon, who have more to show on their resume than Justin Wilcox. The only reason he is even mentioned for new or upcoming vacancies is because he has connections to the schools in question and because when it comes right down to it, ADs and even fans are so cowardly about trying someone new that they're more comfortable rationalizing "safe" mediocrity in their hires. When it came right down to it the majority of UW fans here even started to turn that way before the AD somehow stumbled into making the bold, correct choice.
The unwillingness to branch out reminds me of incest. I'm not sure if that nerdy chick is actually smoking hot or not, so I'm just going to screw my cousin who I already know is back to a solid 5 after her third kid. -
How’s him “sick” mom?
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Matt Campbell… he was holding out for this job
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Dan Mullins
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They just had his Miss State replacement at OC, I'm not sure they try that again.RaceBannon said:Dan Mullins
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Oregon recruits itself at this point whether we like it or not. And the staff does most of the dirty work and there's no world where Oregon wouldn't shell out big bucks for assistants. Pretty sure Wilcox would still pull in top 15 classes. He would out-recruit DeBoer right now. The fact that Eugene is a rest stop doesn't matter. It's all Phil and Nike.46XiJCAB said:
He’s Mario 2.0 w/o the recruiting. Absolute wrong choice which is why Mullins will hire him.Swaye said:
He actually could be. I don't think it's a high probability, but I see your main point. I mean there are mega resources there, and if he could luck into or find a really quality innovative offensive mind he could maybe do some damage there. I'd have hated him at UW, but there is a different dynamic there.CallMeBigErn said:
Bro, did you read the context? I'm saying there's a part of me that thinks that he could be the type to do so. Not saying he will ffs. I don't consider my opinion to be fact unlike some here. I'm raising the point that he could be good for Oregon as devil's advocate. Chill.Ice_Holmvik said:
You were just stating that hiring Wilcox would bring 20 years of stability to Oregon.CallMeBigErn said:
I prefer revolving door Oregon coaching. In fact, I love it. You don't see it that way and that's cool, Chuck. That's cool.chuck said:
Glad to see that my dog isn't the only one dumb enough to try fighting high volume sprinklers. There's also the one pictured, and @CallMeBigErnGladstone said:
Yes, as a Junction City kid and UO alum, he probably seems appealing from a "we're a stepping stone school" perspectiveCallMeBigErn said:theknowledge said:
The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.CallMeBigErn said:
Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.OreDawg said:Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.
My fear is that Wilcox, as an alum, could end up the type who's there for 20 years.
This is a bunch of platitude nonsense that doesn't mean anything. Bringing "stability" means nothing unless you're a good coach. This is one of those buzzwords on Twitter people throw out to try and sound smart. What does 'might be less about the glitzy glamorous Oregon hype machine' mean? How do you qualify this? Gibberish.CallMeBigErn said:theknowledge said:
The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.CallMeBigErn said:
Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.OreDawg said:Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.
It might not be lightning in a bottle right away but he's going to bring stability and might be less about the glitzy glamorous Oregon hype machine.CallMeBigErn said:theknowledge said:
The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.CallMeBigErn said:
Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.OreDawg said:Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.
Oregon has a culture problem imo and Wilcox could very well be the type to fix it, or at least add a little substance to their charade.
What does this mean? Culture problem of good recruiting? Hiring good coaches? What substance to what charade? This entire post feels like it was written by a ML algorithm that doesn't quite understand the training data yet
Can you name literally any metric outside of "has ties to the physical area" that says Wilcox could be their Whittingham? Literally every sentence you typed is brutal wharrgarble nonsense.CallMeBigErn said:theknowledge said:
The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.CallMeBigErn said:
Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.OreDawg said:Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.
He will have the tools to do it. I could see him becoming Oregon's Whittingham. Not saying this will for sure happen by any means but I think it's a decent possibility that he's exactly what Oregon needs.
The one thing that would worry me as a Duck fan (and you alluded to this arguing the other way though) is his "stable" (read that as boring) type mentality. Oregon has always been loud, garish and new money rich. It's a huge part of their persona. That is not Wilcox. So I appreciate you thinking he might "fix" that in a sense, but I think fixing it would break them. It's a 2nd tier school in a shithole town. What makes them get top 10 recruiting classes is the new money swagger.
Just my thoughts. On balance, I hope like fuck UO hires Wilcocks because I think there is a 10% chance or less he kills it. But there is a chance. -
It didn't recruit itself under Helfrich.CallMeBigErn said:
Oregon recruits itself at this point whether we like it or not. And the staff does most of the dirty work and there's no world where Oregon wouldn't shell out big bucks for assistants. Pretty sure Wilcox would still pull in top 15 classes. He would out-recruit DeBoer right now. The fact that Eugene is a rest stop doesn't matter. It's all Phil and Nike.46XiJCAB said:
He’s Mario 2.0 w/o the recruiting. Absolute wrong choice which is why Mullins will hire him.Swaye said:
He actually could be. I don't think it's a high probability, but I see your main point. I mean there are mega resources there, and if he could luck into or find a really quality innovative offensive mind he could maybe do some damage there. I'd have hated him at UW, but there is a different dynamic there.CallMeBigErn said:
Bro, did you read the context? I'm saying there's a part of me that thinks that he could be the type to do so. Not saying he will ffs. I don't consider my opinion to be fact unlike some here. I'm raising the point that he could be good for Oregon as devil's advocate. Chill.Ice_Holmvik said:
You were just stating that hiring Wilcox would bring 20 years of stability to Oregon.CallMeBigErn said:
I prefer revolving door Oregon coaching. In fact, I love it. You don't see it that way and that's cool, Chuck. That's cool.chuck said:
Glad to see that my dog isn't the only one dumb enough to try fighting high volume sprinklers. There's also the one pictured, and @CallMeBigErnGladstone said:
Yes, as a Junction City kid and UO alum, he probably seems appealing from a "we're a stepping stone school" perspectiveCallMeBigErn said:theknowledge said:
The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.CallMeBigErn said:
Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.OreDawg said:Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.
My fear is that Wilcox, as an alum, could end up the type who's there for 20 years.
This is a bunch of platitude nonsense that doesn't mean anything. Bringing "stability" means nothing unless you're a good coach. This is one of those buzzwords on Twitter people throw out to try and sound smart. What does 'might be less about the glitzy glamorous Oregon hype machine' mean? How do you qualify this? Gibberish.CallMeBigErn said:theknowledge said:
The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.CallMeBigErn said:
Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.OreDawg said:Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.
It might not be lightning in a bottle right away but he's going to bring stability and might be less about the glitzy glamorous Oregon hype machine.CallMeBigErn said:theknowledge said:
The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.CallMeBigErn said:
Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.OreDawg said:Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.
Oregon has a culture problem imo and Wilcox could very well be the type to fix it, or at least add a little substance to their charade.
What does this mean? Culture problem of good recruiting? Hiring good coaches? What substance to what charade? This entire post feels like it was written by a ML algorithm that doesn't quite understand the training data yet
Can you name literally any metric outside of "has ties to the physical area" that says Wilcox could be their Whittingham? Literally every sentence you typed is brutal wharrgarble nonsense.CallMeBigErn said:theknowledge said:
The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.CallMeBigErn said:
Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.OreDawg said:Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.
He will have the tools to do it. I could see him becoming Oregon's Whittingham. Not saying this will for sure happen by any means but I think it's a decent possibility that he's exactly what Oregon needs.
The one thing that would worry me as a Duck fan (and you alluded to this arguing the other way though) is his "stable" (read that as boring) type mentality. Oregon has always been loud, garish and new money rich. It's a huge part of their persona. That is not Wilcox. So I appreciate you thinking he might "fix" that in a sense, but I think fixing it would break them. It's a 2nd tier school in a shithole town. What makes them get top 10 recruiting classes is the new money swagger.
Just my thoughts. On balance, I hope like fuck UO hires Wilcocks because I think there is a 10% chance or less he kills it. But there is a chance. -
NIL wasn't around with Slingblade.dnc said:
It didn't recruit itself under Helfrich.CallMeBigErn said:
Oregon recruits itself at this point whether we like it or not. And the staff does most of the dirty work and there's no world where Oregon wouldn't shell out big bucks for assistants. Pretty sure Wilcox would still pull in top 15 classes. He would out-recruit DeBoer right now. The fact that Eugene is a rest stop doesn't matter. It's all Phil and Nike.46XiJCAB said:
He’s Mario 2.0 w/o the recruiting. Absolute wrong choice which is why Mullins will hire him.Swaye said:
He actually could be. I don't think it's a high probability, but I see your main point. I mean there are mega resources there, and if he could luck into or find a really quality innovative offensive mind he could maybe do some damage there. I'd have hated him at UW, but there is a different dynamic there.CallMeBigErn said:
Bro, did you read the context? I'm saying there's a part of me that thinks that he could be the type to do so. Not saying he will ffs. I don't consider my opinion to be fact unlike some here. I'm raising the point that he could be good for Oregon as devil's advocate. Chill.Ice_Holmvik said:
You were just stating that hiring Wilcox would bring 20 years of stability to Oregon.CallMeBigErn said:
I prefer revolving door Oregon coaching. In fact, I love it. You don't see it that way and that's cool, Chuck. That's cool.chuck said:
Glad to see that my dog isn't the only one dumb enough to try fighting high volume sprinklers. There's also the one pictured, and @CallMeBigErnGladstone said:
Yes, as a Junction City kid and UO alum, he probably seems appealing from a "we're a stepping stone school" perspectiveCallMeBigErn said:theknowledge said:
The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.CallMeBigErn said:
Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.OreDawg said:Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.
My fear is that Wilcox, as an alum, could end up the type who's there for 20 years.
This is a bunch of platitude nonsense that doesn't mean anything. Bringing "stability" means nothing unless you're a good coach. This is one of those buzzwords on Twitter people throw out to try and sound smart. What does 'might be less about the glitzy glamorous Oregon hype machine' mean? How do you qualify this? Gibberish.CallMeBigErn said:theknowledge said:
The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.CallMeBigErn said:
Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.OreDawg said:Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.
It might not be lightning in a bottle right away but he's going to bring stability and might be less about the glitzy glamorous Oregon hype machine.CallMeBigErn said:theknowledge said:
The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.CallMeBigErn said:
Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.OreDawg said:Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.
Oregon has a culture problem imo and Wilcox could very well be the type to fix it, or at least add a little substance to their charade.
What does this mean? Culture problem of good recruiting? Hiring good coaches? What substance to what charade? This entire post feels like it was written by a ML algorithm that doesn't quite understand the training data yet
Can you name literally any metric outside of "has ties to the physical area" that says Wilcox could be their Whittingham? Literally every sentence you typed is brutal wharrgarble nonsense.CallMeBigErn said:theknowledge said:
The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.CallMeBigErn said:
Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.OreDawg said:Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.
He will have the tools to do it. I could see him becoming Oregon's Whittingham. Not saying this will for sure happen by any means but I think it's a decent possibility that he's exactly what Oregon needs.
The one thing that would worry me as a Duck fan (and you alluded to this arguing the other way though) is his "stable" (read that as boring) type mentality. Oregon has always been loud, garish and new money rich. It's a huge part of their persona. That is not Wilcox. So I appreciate you thinking he might "fix" that in a sense, but I think fixing it would break them. It's a 2nd tier school in a shithole town. What makes them get top 10 recruiting classes is the new money swagger.
Just my thoughts. On balance, I hope like fuck UO hires Wilcocks because I think there is a 10% chance or less he kills it. But there is a chance. -
Ummmmm……CallMeBigErn said:
NIL wasn't around with Slingblade.dnc said:
It didn't recruit itself under Helfrich.CallMeBigErn said:
Oregon recruits itself at this point whether we like it or not. And the staff does most of the dirty work and there's no world where Oregon wouldn't shell out big bucks for assistants. Pretty sure Wilcox would still pull in top 15 classes. He would out-recruit DeBoer right now. The fact that Eugene is a rest stop doesn't matter. It's all Phil and Nike.46XiJCAB said:
He’s Mario 2.0 w/o the recruiting. Absolute wrong choice which is why Mullins will hire him.Swaye said:
He actually could be. I don't think it's a high probability, but I see your main point. I mean there are mega resources there, and if he could luck into or find a really quality innovative offensive mind he could maybe do some damage there. I'd have hated him at UW, but there is a different dynamic there.CallMeBigErn said:
Bro, did you read the context? I'm saying there's a part of me that thinks that he could be the type to do so. Not saying he will ffs. I don't consider my opinion to be fact unlike some here. I'm raising the point that he could be good for Oregon as devil's advocate. Chill.Ice_Holmvik said:
You were just stating that hiring Wilcox would bring 20 years of stability to Oregon.CallMeBigErn said:
I prefer revolving door Oregon coaching. In fact, I love it. You don't see it that way and that's cool, Chuck. That's cool.chuck said:
Glad to see that my dog isn't the only one dumb enough to try fighting high volume sprinklers. There's also the one pictured, and @CallMeBigErnGladstone said:
Yes, as a Junction City kid and UO alum, he probably seems appealing from a "we're a stepping stone school" perspectiveCallMeBigErn said:theknowledge said:
The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.CallMeBigErn said:
Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.OreDawg said:Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.
My fear is that Wilcox, as an alum, could end up the type who's there for 20 years.
This is a bunch of platitude nonsense that doesn't mean anything. Bringing "stability" means nothing unless you're a good coach. This is one of those buzzwords on Twitter people throw out to try and sound smart. What does 'might be less about the glitzy glamorous Oregon hype machine' mean? How do you qualify this? Gibberish.CallMeBigErn said:theknowledge said:
The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.CallMeBigErn said:
Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.OreDawg said:Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.
It might not be lightning in a bottle right away but he's going to bring stability and might be less about the glitzy glamorous Oregon hype machine.CallMeBigErn said:theknowledge said:
The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.CallMeBigErn said:
Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.OreDawg said:Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.
Oregon has a culture problem imo and Wilcox could very well be the type to fix it, or at least add a little substance to their charade.
What does this mean? Culture problem of good recruiting? Hiring good coaches? What substance to what charade? This entire post feels like it was written by a ML algorithm that doesn't quite understand the training data yet
Can you name literally any metric outside of "has ties to the physical area" that says Wilcox could be their Whittingham? Literally every sentence you typed is brutal wharrgarble nonsense.CallMeBigErn said:theknowledge said:
The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.CallMeBigErn said:
Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.OreDawg said:Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.
He will have the tools to do it. I could see him becoming Oregon's Whittingham. Not saying this will for sure happen by any means but I think it's a decent possibility that he's exactly what Oregon needs.
The one thing that would worry me as a Duck fan (and you alluded to this arguing the other way though) is his "stable" (read that as boring) type mentality. Oregon has always been loud, garish and new money rich. It's a huge part of their persona. That is not Wilcox. So I appreciate you thinking he might "fix" that in a sense, but I think fixing it would break them. It's a 2nd tier school in a shithole town. What makes them get top 10 recruiting classes is the new money swagger.
Just my thoughts. On balance, I hope like fuck UO hires Wilcocks because I think there is a 10% chance or less he kills it. But there is a chance. -
Nike and PK recruits for Oregon. Who ever they get will recruit fine. The notion that MC is such an outstanding recruiter is a myth. I could recruit to Oregon just as well. Money talks.46XiJCAB said:
He’s Mario 2.0 w/o the recruiting. Absolute wrong choice which is why Mullins will hire him.Swaye said:
He actually could be. I don't think it's a high probability, but I see your main point. I mean there are mega resources there, and if he could luck into or find a really quality innovative offensive mind he could maybe do some damage there. I'd have hated him at UW, but there is a different dynamic there.CallMeBigErn said:
Bro, did you read the context? I'm saying there's a part of me that thinks that he could be the type to do so. Not saying he will ffs. I don't consider my opinion to be fact unlike some here. I'm raising the point that he could be good for Oregon as devil's advocate. Chill.Ice_Holmvik said:
You were just stating that hiring Wilcox would bring 20 years of stability to Oregon.CallMeBigErn said:
I prefer revolving door Oregon coaching. In fact, I love it. You don't see it that way and that's cool, Chuck. That's cool.chuck said:
Glad to see that my dog isn't the only one dumb enough to try fighting high volume sprinklers. There's also the one pictured, and @CallMeBigErnGladstone said:
Yes, as a Junction City kid and UO alum, he probably seems appealing from a "we're a stepping stone school" perspectiveCallMeBigErn said:theknowledge said:
The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.CallMeBigErn said:
Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.OreDawg said:Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.
My fear is that Wilcox, as an alum, could end up the type who's there for 20 years.
This is a bunch of platitude nonsense that doesn't mean anything. Bringing "stability" means nothing unless you're a good coach. This is one of those buzzwords on Twitter people throw out to try and sound smart. What does 'might be less about the glitzy glamorous Oregon hype machine' mean? How do you qualify this? Gibberish.CallMeBigErn said:theknowledge said:
The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.CallMeBigErn said:
Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.OreDawg said:Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.
It might not be lightning in a bottle right away but he's going to bring stability and might be less about the glitzy glamorous Oregon hype machine.CallMeBigErn said:theknowledge said:
The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.CallMeBigErn said:
Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.OreDawg said:Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.
Oregon has a culture problem imo and Wilcox could very well be the type to fix it, or at least add a little substance to their charade.
What does this mean? Culture problem of good recruiting? Hiring good coaches? What substance to what charade? This entire post feels like it was written by a ML algorithm that doesn't quite understand the training data yet
Can you name literally any metric outside of "has ties to the physical area" that says Wilcox could be their Whittingham? Literally every sentence you typed is brutal wharrgarble nonsense.CallMeBigErn said:theknowledge said:
The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.CallMeBigErn said:
Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.OreDawg said:Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.
He will have the tools to do it. I could see him becoming Oregon's Whittingham. Not saying this will for sure happen by any means but I think it's a decent possibility that he's exactly what Oregon needs.
The one thing that would worry me as a Duck fan (and you alluded to this arguing the other way though) is his "stable" (read that as boring) type mentality. Oregon has always been loud, garish and new money rich. It's a huge part of their persona. That is not Wilcox. So I appreciate you thinking he might "fix" that in a sense, but I think fixing it would break them. It's a 2nd tier school in a shithole town. What makes them get top 10 recruiting classes is the new money swagger.
Just my thoughts. On balance, I hope like fuck UO hires Wilcocks because I think there is a 10% chance or less he kills it. But there is a chance. -
You think it's that big of a game changer?CallMeBigErn said:
NIL wasn't around with Slingblade.dnc said:
It didn't recruit itself under Helfrich.CallMeBigErn said:
Oregon recruits itself at this point whether we like it or not. And the staff does most of the dirty work and there's no world where Oregon wouldn't shell out big bucks for assistants. Pretty sure Wilcox would still pull in top 15 classes. He would out-recruit DeBoer right now. The fact that Eugene is a rest stop doesn't matter. It's all Phil and Nike.46XiJCAB said:
He’s Mario 2.0 w/o the recruiting. Absolute wrong choice which is why Mullins will hire him.Swaye said:
He actually could be. I don't think it's a high probability, but I see your main point. I mean there are mega resources there, and if he could luck into or find a really quality innovative offensive mind he could maybe do some damage there. I'd have hated him at UW, but there is a different dynamic there.CallMeBigErn said:
Bro, did you read the context? I'm saying there's a part of me that thinks that he could be the type to do so. Not saying he will ffs. I don't consider my opinion to be fact unlike some here. I'm raising the point that he could be good for Oregon as devil's advocate. Chill.Ice_Holmvik said:
You were just stating that hiring Wilcox would bring 20 years of stability to Oregon.CallMeBigErn said:
I prefer revolving door Oregon coaching. In fact, I love it. You don't see it that way and that's cool, Chuck. That's cool.chuck said:
Glad to see that my dog isn't the only one dumb enough to try fighting high volume sprinklers. There's also the one pictured, and @CallMeBigErnGladstone said:
Yes, as a Junction City kid and UO alum, he probably seems appealing from a "we're a stepping stone school" perspectiveCallMeBigErn said:theknowledge said:
The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.CallMeBigErn said:
Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.OreDawg said:Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.
My fear is that Wilcox, as an alum, could end up the type who's there for 20 years.
This is a bunch of platitude nonsense that doesn't mean anything. Bringing "stability" means nothing unless you're a good coach. This is one of those buzzwords on Twitter people throw out to try and sound smart. What does 'might be less about the glitzy glamorous Oregon hype machine' mean? How do you qualify this? Gibberish.CallMeBigErn said:theknowledge said:
The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.CallMeBigErn said:
Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.OreDawg said:Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.
It might not be lightning in a bottle right away but he's going to bring stability and might be less about the glitzy glamorous Oregon hype machine.CallMeBigErn said:theknowledge said:
The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.CallMeBigErn said:
Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.OreDawg said:Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.
Oregon has a culture problem imo and Wilcox could very well be the type to fix it, or at least add a little substance to their charade.
What does this mean? Culture problem of good recruiting? Hiring good coaches? What substance to what charade? This entire post feels like it was written by a ML algorithm that doesn't quite understand the training data yet
Can you name literally any metric outside of "has ties to the physical area" that says Wilcox could be their Whittingham? Literally every sentence you typed is brutal wharrgarble nonsense.CallMeBigErn said:theknowledge said:
The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.CallMeBigErn said:
Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.OreDawg said:Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.
He will have the tools to do it. I could see him becoming Oregon's Whittingham. Not saying this will for sure happen by any means but I think it's a decent possibility that he's exactly what Oregon needs.
The one thing that would worry me as a Duck fan (and you alluded to this arguing the other way though) is his "stable" (read that as boring) type mentality. Oregon has always been loud, garish and new money rich. It's a huge part of their persona. That is not Wilcox. So I appreciate you thinking he might "fix" that in a sense, but I think fixing it would break them. It's a 2nd tier school in a shithole town. What makes them get top 10 recruiting classes is the new money swagger.
Just my thoughts. On balance, I hope like fuck UO hires Wilcocks because I think there is a 10% chance or less he kills it. But there is a chance.
SC didn't have Lincoln Riley when Helfrich was there either. -
dnc said:
You think it's that big of a game changer?CallMeBigErn said:
NIL wasn't around with Slingblade.dnc said:
It didn't recruit itself under Helfrich.CallMeBigErn said:
Oregon recruits itself at this point whether we like it or not. And the staff does most of the dirty work and there's no world where Oregon wouldn't shell out big bucks for assistants. Pretty sure Wilcox would still pull in top 15 classes. He would out-recruit DeBoer right now. The fact that Eugene is a rest stop doesn't matter. It's all Phil and Nike.46XiJCAB said:
He’s Mario 2.0 w/o the recruiting. Absolute wrong choice which is why Mullins will hire him.Swaye said:
He actually could be. I don't think it's a high probability, but I see your main point. I mean there are mega resources there, and if he could luck into or find a really quality innovative offensive mind he could maybe do some damage there. I'd have hated him at UW, but there is a different dynamic there.CallMeBigErn said:
Bro, did you read the context? I'm saying there's a part of me that thinks that he could be the type to do so. Not saying he will ffs. I don't consider my opinion to be fact unlike some here. I'm raising the point that he could be good for Oregon as devil's advocate. Chill.Ice_Holmvik said:
You were just stating that hiring Wilcox would bring 20 years of stability to Oregon.CallMeBigErn said:
I prefer revolving door Oregon coaching. In fact, I love it. You don't see it that way and that's cool, Chuck. That's cool.chuck said:
Glad to see that my dog isn't the only one dumb enough to try fighting high volume sprinklers. There's also the one pictured, and @CallMeBigErnGladstone said:
Yes, as a Junction City kid and UO alum, he probably seems appealing from a "we're a stepping stone school" perspectiveCallMeBigErn said:theknowledge said:
The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.CallMeBigErn said:
Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.OreDawg said:Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.
My fear is that Wilcox, as an alum, could end up the type who's there for 20 years.
This is a bunch of platitude nonsense that doesn't mean anything. Bringing "stability" means nothing unless you're a good coach. This is one of those buzzwords on Twitter people throw out to try and sound smart. What does 'might be less about the glitzy glamorous Oregon hype machine' mean? How do you qualify this? Gibberish.CallMeBigErn said:theknowledge said:
The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.CallMeBigErn said:
Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.OreDawg said:Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.
It might not be lightning in a bottle right away but he's going to bring stability and might be less about the glitzy glamorous Oregon hype machine.CallMeBigErn said:theknowledge said:
The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.CallMeBigErn said:
Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.OreDawg said:Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.
Oregon has a culture problem imo and Wilcox could very well be the type to fix it, or at least add a little substance to their charade.
What does this mean? Culture problem of good recruiting? Hiring good coaches? What substance to what charade? This entire post feels like it was written by a ML algorithm that doesn't quite understand the training data yet
Can you name literally any metric outside of "has ties to the physical area" that says Wilcox could be their Whittingham? Literally every sentence you typed is brutal wharrgarble nonsense.CallMeBigErn said:theknowledge said:
The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.CallMeBigErn said:
Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.OreDawg said:Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.
He will have the tools to do it. I could see him becoming Oregon's Whittingham. Not saying this will for sure happen by any means but I think it's a decent possibility that he's exactly what Oregon needs.
The one thing that would worry me as a Duck fan (and you alluded to this arguing the other way though) is his "stable" (read that as boring) type mentality. Oregon has always been loud, garish and new money rich. It's a huge part of their persona. That is not Wilcox. So I appreciate you thinking he might "fix" that in a sense, but I think fixing it would break them. It's a 2nd tier school in a shithole town. What makes them get top 10 recruiting classes is the new money swagger.
Just my thoughts. On balance, I hope like fuck UO hires Wilcocks because I think there is a 10% chance or less he kills it. But there is a chance.
SC didn't have Lincoln Riley when Helfrich was there either.
I would argue NIL levels the playing field -
I'd start by filtering my list down to coaches with winning records at the FBS or at least FCS level.CallMeBigErn said:
Who is attainable? All the big fish have been caught. I can't believe I'm debating who Oregon should hire. I just want whoever is going to fail miserably. I want another Taggart.chuck said:There must be at least 80 coaches out there, who are attainable for Oregon, who have more to show on their resume than Justin Wilcox. The only reason he is even mentioned for new or upcoming vacancies is because he has connections to the schools in question and because when it comes right down to it, ADs and even fans are so cowardly about trying someone new that they're more comfortable rationalizing "safe" mediocrity in their hires. When it came right down to it the majority of UW fans here even started to turn that way before the AD somehow stumbled into making the bold, correct choice.
The unwillingness to branch out reminds me of incest. I'm not sure if that nerdy chick is actually smoking hot or not, so I'm just going to screw my cousin who I already know is back to a solid 5 after her third kid. -
dnc said:
It didn't recruit itself under Helfrich.CallMeBigErn said:
Oregon recruits itself at this point whether we like it or not. And the staff does most of the dirty work and there's no world where Oregon wouldn't shell out big bucks for assistants. Pretty sure Wilcox would still pull in top 15 classes. He would out-recruit DeBoer right now. The fact that Eugene is a rest stop doesn't matter. It's all Phil and Nike.46XiJCAB said:
He’s Mario 2.0 w/o the recruiting. Absolute wrong choice which is why Mullins will hire him.Swaye said:
He actually could be. I don't think it's a high probability, but I see your main point. I mean there are mega resources there, and if he could luck into or find a really quality innovative offensive mind he could maybe do some damage there. I'd have hated him at UW, but there is a different dynamic there.CallMeBigErn said:
Bro, did you read the context? I'm saying there's a part of me that thinks that he could be the type to do so. Not saying he will ffs. I don't consider my opinion to be fact unlike some here. I'm raising the point that he could be good for Oregon as devil's advocate. Chill.Ice_Holmvik said:
You were just stating that hiring Wilcox would bring 20 years of stability to Oregon.CallMeBigErn said:
I prefer revolving door Oregon coaching. In fact, I love it. You don't see it that way and that's cool, Chuck. That's cool.chuck said:
Glad to see that my dog isn't the only one dumb enough to try fighting high volume sprinklers. There's also the one pictured, and @CallMeBigErnGladstone said:
Yes, as a Junction City kid and UO alum, he probably seems appealing from a "we're a stepping stone school" perspectiveCallMeBigErn said:theknowledge said:
The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.CallMeBigErn said:
Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.OreDawg said:Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.
My fear is that Wilcox, as an alum, could end up the type who's there for 20 years.
This is a bunch of platitude nonsense that doesn't mean anything. Bringing "stability" means nothing unless you're a good coach. This is one of those buzzwords on Twitter people throw out to try and sound smart. What does 'might be less about the glitzy glamorous Oregon hype machine' mean? How do you qualify this? Gibberish.CallMeBigErn said:theknowledge said:
The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.CallMeBigErn said:
Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.OreDawg said:Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.
It might not be lightning in a bottle right away but he's going to bring stability and might be less about the glitzy glamorous Oregon hype machine.CallMeBigErn said:theknowledge said:
The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.CallMeBigErn said:
Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.OreDawg said:Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.
Oregon has a culture problem imo and Wilcox could very well be the type to fix it, or at least add a little substance to their charade.
What does this mean? Culture problem of good recruiting? Hiring good coaches? What substance to what charade? This entire post feels like it was written by a ML algorithm that doesn't quite understand the training data yet
Can you name literally any metric outside of "has ties to the physical area" that says Wilcox could be their Whittingham? Literally every sentence you typed is brutal wharrgarble nonsense.CallMeBigErn said:theknowledge said:
The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.CallMeBigErn said:
Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.OreDawg said:Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.
He will have the tools to do it. I could see him becoming Oregon's Whittingham. Not saying this will for sure happen by any means but I think it's a decent possibility that he's exactly what Oregon needs.
The one thing that would worry me as a Duck fan (and you alluded to this arguing the other way though) is his "stable" (read that as boring) type mentality. Oregon has always been loud, garish and new money rich. It's a huge part of their persona. That is not Wilcox. So I appreciate you thinking he might "fix" that in a sense, but I think fixing it would break them. It's a 2nd tier school in a shithole town. What makes them get top 10 recruiting classes is the new money swagger.
Just my thoughts. On balance, I hope like fuck UO hires Wilcocks because I think there is a 10% chance or less he kills it. But there is a chance.
Helfrich out recruited Petersen. HTH.dnc said:
It didn't recruit itself under Helfrich.CallMeBigErn said:
Oregon recruits itself at this point whether we like it or not. And the staff does most of the dirty work and there's no world where Oregon wouldn't shell out big bucks for assistants. Pretty sure Wilcox would still pull in top 15 classes. He would out-recruit DeBoer right now. The fact that Eugene is a rest stop doesn't matter. It's all Phil and Nike.46XiJCAB said:
He’s Mario 2.0 w/o the recruiting. Absolute wrong choice which is why Mullins will hire him.Swaye said:
He actually could be. I don't think it's a high probability, but I see your main point. I mean there are mega resources there, and if he could luck into or find a really quality innovative offensive mind he could maybe do some damage there. I'd have hated him at UW, but there is a different dynamic there.CallMeBigErn said:
Bro, did you read the context? I'm saying there's a part of me that thinks that he could be the type to do so. Not saying he will ffs. I don't consider my opinion to be fact unlike some here. I'm raising the point that he could be good for Oregon as devil's advocate. Chill.Ice_Holmvik said:
You were just stating that hiring Wilcox would bring 20 years of stability to Oregon.CallMeBigErn said:
I prefer revolving door Oregon coaching. In fact, I love it. You don't see it that way and that's cool, Chuck. That's cool.chuck said:
Glad to see that my dog isn't the only one dumb enough to try fighting high volume sprinklers. There's also the one pictured, and @CallMeBigErnGladstone said:
Yes, as a Junction City kid and UO alum, he probably seems appealing from a "we're a stepping stone school" perspectiveCallMeBigErn said:theknowledge said:
The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.CallMeBigErn said:
Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.OreDawg said:Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.
My fear is that Wilcox, as an alum, could end up the type who's there for 20 years.
This is a bunch of platitude nonsense that doesn't mean anything. Bringing "stability" means nothing unless you're a good coach. This is one of those buzzwords on Twitter people throw out to try and sound smart. What does 'might be less about the glitzy glamorous Oregon hype machine' mean? How do you qualify this? Gibberish.CallMeBigErn said:theknowledge said:
The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.CallMeBigErn said:
Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.OreDawg said:Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.
It might not be lightning in a bottle right away but he's going to bring stability and might be less about the glitzy glamorous Oregon hype machine.CallMeBigErn said:theknowledge said:
The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.CallMeBigErn said:
Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.OreDawg said:Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.
Oregon has a culture problem imo and Wilcox could very well be the type to fix it, or at least add a little substance to their charade.
What does this mean? Culture problem of good recruiting? Hiring good coaches? What substance to what charade? This entire post feels like it was written by a ML algorithm that doesn't quite understand the training data yet
Can you name literally any metric outside of "has ties to the physical area" that says Wilcox could be their Whittingham? Literally every sentence you typed is brutal wharrgarble nonsense.CallMeBigErn said:theknowledge said:
The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.CallMeBigErn said:
Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.OreDawg said:Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.
He will have the tools to do it. I could see him becoming Oregon's Whittingham. Not saying this will for sure happen by any means but I think it's a decent possibility that he's exactly what Oregon needs.
The one thing that would worry me as a Duck fan (and you alluded to this arguing the other way though) is his "stable" (read that as boring) type mentality. Oregon has always been loud, garish and new money rich. It's a huge part of their persona. That is not Wilcox. So I appreciate you thinking he might "fix" that in a sense, but I think fixing it would break them. It's a 2nd tier school in a shithole town. What makes them get top 10 recruiting classes is the new money swagger.
Just my thoughts. On balance, I hope like fuck UO hires Wilcocks because I think there is a 10% chance or less he kills it. But there is a chance. -
I think Oregon will recruit well regardless of who their coach is, yes. This is more true now than it was 6 years ago because of NIL, yes. They are a machine with an enormous born-in advantage with Phil and Nike.dnc said:
You think it's that big of a game changer?CallMeBigErn said:
NIL wasn't around with Slingblade.dnc said:
It didn't recruit itself under Helfrich.CallMeBigErn said:
Oregon recruits itself at this point whether we like it or not. And the staff does most of the dirty work and there's no world where Oregon wouldn't shell out big bucks for assistants. Pretty sure Wilcox would still pull in top 15 classes. He would out-recruit DeBoer right now. The fact that Eugene is a rest stop doesn't matter. It's all Phil and Nike.46XiJCAB said:
He’s Mario 2.0 w/o the recruiting. Absolute wrong choice which is why Mullins will hire him.Swaye said:
He actually could be. I don't think it's a high probability, but I see your main point. I mean there are mega resources there, and if he could luck into or find a really quality innovative offensive mind he could maybe do some damage there. I'd have hated him at UW, but there is a different dynamic there.CallMeBigErn said:
Bro, did you read the context? I'm saying there's a part of me that thinks that he could be the type to do so. Not saying he will ffs. I don't consider my opinion to be fact unlike some here. I'm raising the point that he could be good for Oregon as devil's advocate. Chill.Ice_Holmvik said:
You were just stating that hiring Wilcox would bring 20 years of stability to Oregon.CallMeBigErn said:
I prefer revolving door Oregon coaching. In fact, I love it. You don't see it that way and that's cool, Chuck. That's cool.chuck said:
Glad to see that my dog isn't the only one dumb enough to try fighting high volume sprinklers. There's also the one pictured, and @CallMeBigErnGladstone said:
Yes, as a Junction City kid and UO alum, he probably seems appealing from a "we're a stepping stone school" perspectiveCallMeBigErn said:theknowledge said:
The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.CallMeBigErn said:
Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.OreDawg said:Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.
My fear is that Wilcox, as an alum, could end up the type who's there for 20 years.
This is a bunch of platitude nonsense that doesn't mean anything. Bringing "stability" means nothing unless you're a good coach. This is one of those buzzwords on Twitter people throw out to try and sound smart. What does 'might be less about the glitzy glamorous Oregon hype machine' mean? How do you qualify this? Gibberish.CallMeBigErn said:theknowledge said:
The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.CallMeBigErn said:
Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.OreDawg said:Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.
It might not be lightning in a bottle right away but he's going to bring stability and might be less about the glitzy glamorous Oregon hype machine.CallMeBigErn said:theknowledge said:
The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.CallMeBigErn said:
Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.OreDawg said:Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.
Oregon has a culture problem imo and Wilcox could very well be the type to fix it, or at least add a little substance to their charade.
What does this mean? Culture problem of good recruiting? Hiring good coaches? What substance to what charade? This entire post feels like it was written by a ML algorithm that doesn't quite understand the training data yet
Can you name literally any metric outside of "has ties to the physical area" that says Wilcox could be their Whittingham? Literally every sentence you typed is brutal wharrgarble nonsense.CallMeBigErn said:theknowledge said:
The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.CallMeBigErn said:
Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.OreDawg said:Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.
He will have the tools to do it. I could see him becoming Oregon's Whittingham. Not saying this will for sure happen by any means but I think it's a decent possibility that he's exactly what Oregon needs.
The one thing that would worry me as a Duck fan (and you alluded to this arguing the other way though) is his "stable" (read that as boring) type mentality. Oregon has always been loud, garish and new money rich. It's a huge part of their persona. That is not Wilcox. So I appreciate you thinking he might "fix" that in a sense, but I think fixing it would break them. It's a 2nd tier school in a shithole town. What makes them get top 10 recruiting classes is the new money swagger.
Just my thoughts. On balance, I hope like fuck UO hires Wilcocks because I think there is a 10% chance or less he kills it. But there is a chance.
SC didn't have Lincoln Riley when Helfrich was there either.
They should hire a coach, not a recruiter. -
Yes, Wilcox doesn't have an outstanding HC record. Neither did Cristobal. There's a lot of factors as to why coaches don't succeed in certain places but do in others.chuck said:
I'd start by filtering my list down to coaches with winning records at the FBS or at least FCS level.CallMeBigErn said:
Who is attainable? All the big fish have been caught. I can't believe I'm debating who Oregon should hire. I just want whoever is going to fail miserably. I want another Taggart.chuck said:There must be at least 80 coaches out there, who are attainable for Oregon, who have more to show on their resume than Justin Wilcox. The only reason he is even mentioned for new or upcoming vacancies is because he has connections to the schools in question and because when it comes right down to it, ADs and even fans are so cowardly about trying someone new that they're more comfortable rationalizing "safe" mediocrity in their hires. When it came right down to it the majority of UW fans here even started to turn that way before the AD somehow stumbled into making the bold, correct choice.
The unwillingness to branch out reminds me of incest. I'm not sure if that nerdy chick is actually smoking hot or not, so I'm just going to screw my cousin who I already know is back to a solid 5 after her third kid.
It's Cal. -
His last class was 7th in the conference. If that's Oregon recruiting itself I'm fine with Oregon recruiting itself.MikeDamone said:dnc said:
It didn't recruit itself under Helfrich.CallMeBigErn said:
Oregon recruits itself at this point whether we like it or not. And the staff does most of the dirty work and there's no world where Oregon wouldn't shell out big bucks for assistants. Pretty sure Wilcox would still pull in top 15 classes. He would out-recruit DeBoer right now. The fact that Eugene is a rest stop doesn't matter. It's all Phil and Nike.46XiJCAB said:
He’s Mario 2.0 w/o the recruiting. Absolute wrong choice which is why Mullins will hire him.Swaye said:
He actually could be. I don't think it's a high probability, but I see your main point. I mean there are mega resources there, and if he could luck into or find a really quality innovative offensive mind he could maybe do some damage there. I'd have hated him at UW, but there is a different dynamic there.CallMeBigErn said:
Bro, did you read the context? I'm saying there's a part of me that thinks that he could be the type to do so. Not saying he will ffs. I don't consider my opinion to be fact unlike some here. I'm raising the point that he could be good for Oregon as devil's advocate. Chill.Ice_Holmvik said:
You were just stating that hiring Wilcox would bring 20 years of stability to Oregon.CallMeBigErn said:
I prefer revolving door Oregon coaching. In fact, I love it. You don't see it that way and that's cool, Chuck. That's cool.chuck said:
Glad to see that my dog isn't the only one dumb enough to try fighting high volume sprinklers. There's also the one pictured, and @CallMeBigErnGladstone said:
Yes, as a Junction City kid and UO alum, he probably seems appealing from a "we're a stepping stone school" perspectiveCallMeBigErn said:theknowledge said:
The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.CallMeBigErn said:
Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.OreDawg said:Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.
My fear is that Wilcox, as an alum, could end up the type who's there for 20 years.
This is a bunch of platitude nonsense that doesn't mean anything. Bringing "stability" means nothing unless you're a good coach. This is one of those buzzwords on Twitter people throw out to try and sound smart. What does 'might be less about the glitzy glamorous Oregon hype machine' mean? How do you qualify this? Gibberish.CallMeBigErn said:theknowledge said:
The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.CallMeBigErn said:
Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.OreDawg said:Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.
It might not be lightning in a bottle right away but he's going to bring stability and might be less about the glitzy glamorous Oregon hype machine.CallMeBigErn said:theknowledge said:
The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.CallMeBigErn said:
Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.OreDawg said:Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.
Oregon has a culture problem imo and Wilcox could very well be the type to fix it, or at least add a little substance to their charade.
What does this mean? Culture problem of good recruiting? Hiring good coaches? What substance to what charade? This entire post feels like it was written by a ML algorithm that doesn't quite understand the training data yet
Can you name literally any metric outside of "has ties to the physical area" that says Wilcox could be their Whittingham? Literally every sentence you typed is brutal wharrgarble nonsense.CallMeBigErn said:theknowledge said:
The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.CallMeBigErn said:
Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.OreDawg said:Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.
He will have the tools to do it. I could see him becoming Oregon's Whittingham. Not saying this will for sure happen by any means but I think it's a decent possibility that he's exactly what Oregon needs.
The one thing that would worry me as a Duck fan (and you alluded to this arguing the other way though) is his "stable" (read that as boring) type mentality. Oregon has always been loud, garish and new money rich. It's a huge part of their persona. That is not Wilcox. So I appreciate you thinking he might "fix" that in a sense, but I think fixing it would break them. It's a 2nd tier school in a shithole town. What makes them get top 10 recruiting classes is the new money swagger.
Just my thoughts. On balance, I hope like fuck UO hires Wilcocks because I think there is a 10% chance or less he kills it. But there is a chance.
Helfrich out recruited Petersen. HTH.dnc said:
It didn't recruit itself under Helfrich.CallMeBigErn said:
Oregon recruits itself at this point whether we like it or not. And the staff does most of the dirty work and there's no world where Oregon wouldn't shell out big bucks for assistants. Pretty sure Wilcox would still pull in top 15 classes. He would out-recruit DeBoer right now. The fact that Eugene is a rest stop doesn't matter. It's all Phil and Nike.46XiJCAB said:
He’s Mario 2.0 w/o the recruiting. Absolute wrong choice which is why Mullins will hire him.Swaye said:
He actually could be. I don't think it's a high probability, but I see your main point. I mean there are mega resources there, and if he could luck into or find a really quality innovative offensive mind he could maybe do some damage there. I'd have hated him at UW, but there is a different dynamic there.CallMeBigErn said:
Bro, did you read the context? I'm saying there's a part of me that thinks that he could be the type to do so. Not saying he will ffs. I don't consider my opinion to be fact unlike some here. I'm raising the point that he could be good for Oregon as devil's advocate. Chill.Ice_Holmvik said:
You were just stating that hiring Wilcox would bring 20 years of stability to Oregon.CallMeBigErn said:
I prefer revolving door Oregon coaching. In fact, I love it. You don't see it that way and that's cool, Chuck. That's cool.chuck said:
Glad to see that my dog isn't the only one dumb enough to try fighting high volume sprinklers. There's also the one pictured, and @CallMeBigErnGladstone said:
Yes, as a Junction City kid and UO alum, he probably seems appealing from a "we're a stepping stone school" perspectiveCallMeBigErn said:theknowledge said:
The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.CallMeBigErn said:
Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.OreDawg said:Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.
My fear is that Wilcox, as an alum, could end up the type who's there for 20 years.
This is a bunch of platitude nonsense that doesn't mean anything. Bringing "stability" means nothing unless you're a good coach. This is one of those buzzwords on Twitter people throw out to try and sound smart. What does 'might be less about the glitzy glamorous Oregon hype machine' mean? How do you qualify this? Gibberish.CallMeBigErn said:theknowledge said:
The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.CallMeBigErn said:
Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.OreDawg said:Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.
It might not be lightning in a bottle right away but he's going to bring stability and might be less about the glitzy glamorous Oregon hype machine.CallMeBigErn said:theknowledge said:
The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.CallMeBigErn said:
Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.OreDawg said:Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.
Oregon has a culture problem imo and Wilcox could very well be the type to fix it, or at least add a little substance to their charade.
What does this mean? Culture problem of good recruiting? Hiring good coaches? What substance to what charade? This entire post feels like it was written by a ML algorithm that doesn't quite understand the training data yet
Can you name literally any metric outside of "has ties to the physical area" that says Wilcox could be their Whittingham? Literally every sentence you typed is brutal wharrgarble nonsense.CallMeBigErn said:theknowledge said:
The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.CallMeBigErn said:
Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.OreDawg said:Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.
He will have the tools to do it. I could see him becoming Oregon's Whittingham. Not saying this will for sure happen by any means but I think it's a decent possibility that he's exactly what Oregon needs.
The one thing that would worry me as a Duck fan (and you alluded to this arguing the other way though) is his "stable" (read that as boring) type mentality. Oregon has always been loud, garish and new money rich. It's a huge part of their persona. That is not Wilcox. So I appreciate you thinking he might "fix" that in a sense, but I think fixing it would break them. It's a 2nd tier school in a shithole town. What makes them get top 10 recruiting classes is the new money swagger.
Just my thoughts. On balance, I hope like fuck UO hires Wilcocks because I think there is a 10% chance or less he kills it. But there is a chance. -
Petersen vs Helfrich recruiting rankings head to headdnc said:
It didn't recruit itself under Helfrich.CallMeBigErn said:
Oregon recruits itself at this point whether we like it or not. And the staff does most of the dirty work and there's no world where Oregon wouldn't shell out big bucks for assistants. Pretty sure Wilcox would still pull in top 15 classes. He would out-recruit DeBoer right now. The fact that Eugene is a rest stop doesn't matter. It's all Phil and Nike.46XiJCAB said:
He’s Mario 2.0 w/o the recruiting. Absolute wrong choice which is why Mullins will hire him.Swaye said:
He actually could be. I don't think it's a high probability, but I see your main point. I mean there are mega resources there, and if he could luck into or find a really quality innovative offensive mind he could maybe do some damage there. I'd have hated him at UW, but there is a different dynamic there.CallMeBigErn said:
Bro, did you read the context? I'm saying there's a part of me that thinks that he could be the type to do so. Not saying he will ffs. I don't consider my opinion to be fact unlike some here. I'm raising the point that he could be good for Oregon as devil's advocate. Chill.Ice_Holmvik said:
You were just stating that hiring Wilcox would bring 20 years of stability to Oregon.CallMeBigErn said:
I prefer revolving door Oregon coaching. In fact, I love it. You don't see it that way and that's cool, Chuck. That's cool.chuck said:
Glad to see that my dog isn't the only one dumb enough to try fighting high volume sprinklers. There's also the one pictured, and @CallMeBigErnGladstone said:
Yes, as a Junction City kid and UO alum, he probably seems appealing from a "we're a stepping stone school" perspectiveCallMeBigErn said:theknowledge said:
The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.CallMeBigErn said:
Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.OreDawg said:Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.
My fear is that Wilcox, as an alum, could end up the type who's there for 20 years.
This is a bunch of platitude nonsense that doesn't mean anything. Bringing "stability" means nothing unless you're a good coach. This is one of those buzzwords on Twitter people throw out to try and sound smart. What does 'might be less about the glitzy glamorous Oregon hype machine' mean? How do you qualify this? Gibberish.CallMeBigErn said:theknowledge said:
The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.CallMeBigErn said:
Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.OreDawg said:Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.
It might not be lightning in a bottle right away but he's going to bring stability and might be less about the glitzy glamorous Oregon hype machine.CallMeBigErn said:theknowledge said:
The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.CallMeBigErn said:
Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.OreDawg said:Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.
Oregon has a culture problem imo and Wilcox could very well be the type to fix it, or at least add a little substance to their charade.
What does this mean? Culture problem of good recruiting? Hiring good coaches? What substance to what charade? This entire post feels like it was written by a ML algorithm that doesn't quite understand the training data yet
Can you name literally any metric outside of "has ties to the physical area" that says Wilcox could be their Whittingham? Literally every sentence you typed is brutal wharrgarble nonsense.CallMeBigErn said:theknowledge said:
The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.CallMeBigErn said:
Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.OreDawg said:Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.
He will have the tools to do it. I could see him becoming Oregon's Whittingham. Not saying this will for sure happen by any means but I think it's a decent possibility that he's exactly what Oregon needs.
The one thing that would worry me as a Duck fan (and you alluded to this arguing the other way though) is his "stable" (read that as boring) type mentality. Oregon has always been loud, garish and new money rich. It's a huge part of their persona. That is not Wilcox. So I appreciate you thinking he might "fix" that in a sense, but I think fixing it would break them. It's a 2nd tier school in a shithole town. What makes them get top 10 recruiting classes is the new money swagger.
Just my thoughts. On balance, I hope like fuck UO hires Wilcocks because I think there is a 10% chance or less he kills it. But there is a chance.
2014. UO 21 UW 38
2015. UO 16 UW 26
2016. UO 27 UW 29
A crappy Oregon coach out recruited the best coach Washington has in 2 decades. Maybe 3. Why? -
22 pages and counting, this is how you deep dive!
Staff having a tough go of it here early, but this thread is delivering as promised. It’s really deep diving the shit out of Wilcox!CFetters_Nacho_Lover said:
Let’s deep dive Wilcox’s staff first before rationalizing it.RTD said:So it’s rationalize Wilcox and hypothetical staff time?
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It’s been pretty well documented by recruits, recruits’ parents (ie Hugh Breed Love Millen), and former staffers (ie Cooper Petagna) that Cristo cares more about recruiting than anything else and implores his staff to recruit like it’s the SEC.MikeDamone said:
Nike and PK recruits for Oregon. Who ever they get will recruit fine. The notion that MC is such an outstanding recruiter is a myth. I could recruit to Oregon just as well. Money talks.46XiJCAB said:
He’s Mario 2.0 w/o the recruiting. Absolute wrong choice which is why Mullins will hire him.Swaye said:
He actually could be. I don't think it's a high probability, but I see your main point. I mean there are mega resources there, and if he could luck into or find a really quality innovative offensive mind he could maybe do some damage there. I'd have hated him at UW, but there is a different dynamic there.CallMeBigErn said:
Bro, did you read the context? I'm saying there's a part of me that thinks that he could be the type to do so. Not saying he will ffs. I don't consider my opinion to be fact unlike some here. I'm raising the point that he could be good for Oregon as devil's advocate. Chill.Ice_Holmvik said:
You were just stating that hiring Wilcox would bring 20 years of stability to Oregon.CallMeBigErn said:
I prefer revolving door Oregon coaching. In fact, I love it. You don't see it that way and that's cool, Chuck. That's cool.chuck said:
Glad to see that my dog isn't the only one dumb enough to try fighting high volume sprinklers. There's also the one pictured, and @CallMeBigErnGladstone said:
Yes, as a Junction City kid and UO alum, he probably seems appealing from a "we're a stepping stone school" perspectiveCallMeBigErn said:theknowledge said:
The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.CallMeBigErn said:
Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.OreDawg said:Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.
My fear is that Wilcox, as an alum, could end up the type who's there for 20 years.
This is a bunch of platitude nonsense that doesn't mean anything. Bringing "stability" means nothing unless you're a good coach. This is one of those buzzwords on Twitter people throw out to try and sound smart. What does 'might be less about the glitzy glamorous Oregon hype machine' mean? How do you qualify this? Gibberish.CallMeBigErn said:theknowledge said:
The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.CallMeBigErn said:
Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.OreDawg said:Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.
It might not be lightning in a bottle right away but he's going to bring stability and might be less about the glitzy glamorous Oregon hype machine.CallMeBigErn said:theknowledge said:
The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.CallMeBigErn said:
Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.OreDawg said:Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.
Oregon has a culture problem imo and Wilcox could very well be the type to fix it, or at least add a little substance to their charade.
What does this mean? Culture problem of good recruiting? Hiring good coaches? What substance to what charade? This entire post feels like it was written by a ML algorithm that doesn't quite understand the training data yet
Can you name literally any metric outside of "has ties to the physical area" that says Wilcox could be their Whittingham? Literally every sentence you typed is brutal wharrgarble nonsense.CallMeBigErn said:theknowledge said:
The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.CallMeBigErn said:
Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.OreDawg said:Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.
He will have the tools to do it. I could see him becoming Oregon's Whittingham. Not saying this will for sure happen by any means but I think it's a decent possibility that he's exactly what Oregon needs.
The one thing that would worry me as a Duck fan (and you alluded to this arguing the other way though) is his "stable" (read that as boring) type mentality. Oregon has always been loud, garish and new money rich. It's a huge part of their persona. That is not Wilcox. So I appreciate you thinking he might "fix" that in a sense, but I think fixing it would break them. It's a 2nd tier school in a shithole town. What makes them get top 10 recruiting classes is the new money swagger.
Just my thoughts. On balance, I hope like fuck UO hires Wilcocks because I think there is a 10% chance or less he kills it. But there is a chance.
So yeah, combined that effort and acumen with PK money and you have top-10 classes. -
Definitely the greatest deep dive rationalization thread ever on HH. Only thing missing is @puppylove_sugarsteel giving us @GrundleStiltzkin’s 2 month old opinions and analysis.RTD said:22 pages and counting, this is how you deep dive!
Staff having a tough go of it here early, but this thread is delivering as promised. It’s really deep diving the shit out of Wilcox!CFetters_Nacho_Lover said:
Let’s deep dive Wilcox’s staff first before rationalizing it.RTD said:So it’s rationalize Wilcox and hypothetical staff time?
