Hope this doesn’t muck up this thread because it’s “historical bullshit”:
Total Tackles thru Week 4: Jackson Sirmon - 30 No. 1 for UW Ranked 6th in the PAC-12 Conference
CFetters: When you see me post, how about ignoring it or simply downvoting it? Frankly, I don’t give a flying fuck about your critique. You’re a moderator.
BBK and Psalm had great numbers too.
Unfortunately they don't keep LB stats on how many YPC they allow versus should allow, if they were any good.
Opposing RB YAC stats on BBK and Psalm were off the charts, also, as they piggybacked on RBs running by and over them for 8 YPC.
BBK was very good, GTFO with this tired narrative.
He spent two years overrunning the point of contact because he was fast, but not strong enough. When he could, he jumped on RBs backs a lot and got carried for several yards. He accumulated a lot of tackles, but gave up a lot of yards in critical situations.
He became more disciplined over time, gained a few pounds and strength, and became more effective at pressuring the QB and collapsing the pocket in his final year. His angles got better as did his technique as he focused more on interrupting the backfield than hooking the QB for an arm tackle sack as he flew by. He was never an LB that blew up plays or that teams ran away from. He was fast and athletic but nothing "very good" until his last year.
Hope this doesn’t muck up this thread because it’s “historical bullshit”:
Total Tackles thru Week 4: Jackson Sirmon - 30 No. 1 for UW Ranked 6th in the PAC-12 Conference
CFetters: When you see me post, how about ignoring it or simply downvoting it? Frankly, I don’t give a flying fuck about your critique. You’re a moderator.
BBK and Psalm had great numbers too.
Unfortunately they don't keep LB stats on how many YPC they allow versus should allow, if they were any good.
Opposing RB YAC stats on BBK and Psalm were off the charts, also, as they piggybacked on RBs running by and over them for 8 YPC.
BBK was very good, GTFO with this tired narrative.
He spent two years overrunning the point of contact because he was fast, but not strong enough. When he could, he jumped on RBs backs a lot and got carried for several yards. He accumulated a lot of tackles, but gave up a lot of yards in critical situations.
He became more disciplined over time, gained a few pounds and strength, and became more effective at pressuring the QB and collapsing the pocket in his final year. His angles got better as did his technique as he focused more on interrupting the backfield than hooking the QB for an arm tackle sack as he flew by. He was never an LB that blew up plays or that teams ran away from. He was fast and athletic but nothing "very good" until his last year.
As long as we agree he was very good his last year.
And I don't see any reason to believe Sirmon is on any such trajectory so the comp is just bad in general.
Not to mention Psalm neither played the position Sirmon/ BBK play nor did he ever accomplish anything close to BBK's senior year so that comp is nonsensical as well.
Overall, awful comps but I'm glad we agree BBK was very good his senior year.
Hope this doesn’t muck up this thread because it’s “historical bullshit”:
Total Tackles thru Week 4: Jackson Sirmon - 30 No. 1 for UW Ranked 6th in the PAC-12 Conference
CFetters: When you see me post, how about ignoring it or simply downvoting it? Frankly, I don’t give a flying fuck about your critique. You’re a moderator.
BBK and Psalm had great numbers too.
Unfortunately they don't keep LB stats on how many YPC they allow versus should allow, if they were any good.
Opposing RB YAC stats on BBK and Psalm were off the charts, also, as they piggybacked on RBs running by and over them for 8 YPC.
BBK was very good, GTFO with this tired narrative.
He spent two years overrunning the point of contact because he was fast, but not strong enough. When he could, he jumped on RBs backs a lot and got carried for several yards. He accumulated a lot of tackles, but gave up a lot of yards in critical situations.
He became more disciplined over time, gained a few pounds and strength, and became more effective at pressuring the QB and collapsing the pocket in his final year. His angles got better as did his technique as he focused more on interrupting the backfield than hooking the QB for an arm tackle sack as he flew by. He was never an LB that blew up plays or that teams ran away from. He was fast and athletic but nothing "very good" until his last year.
Dude if we had BBK in 2019 we win 11+ games
Weaknesses Lack of size will push him off some draft boards Low percentage of tackles on opponent's side of the ball Takes steep pursuit angles and can end up on low side Short arms show up with "just miss" tackle dives Slow to punch and plays away from blocker Downhill drift gets him trapped against counters Gives away run fit with attempts to elude blocks Must find a way to improve take-on leverage in the gap Needs more control in approach to tackle receivers in big spaces
"That defensive line did a great job of protecting him so he could run around and make a bunch of plays. He's a fun player to watch, but I don't think the production translates." -- Scouting director for NFC team
Hope this doesn’t muck up this thread because it’s “historical bullshit”:
Total Tackles thru Week 4: Jackson Sirmon - 30 No. 1 for UW Ranked 6th in the PAC-12 Conference
CFetters: When you see me post, how about ignoring it or simply downvoting it? Frankly, I don’t give a flying fuck about your critique. You’re a moderator.
Damnedest Thing: When you can't get off the field, you gotta make more tackles.
Hope this doesn’t muck up this thread because it’s “historical bullshit”:
Total Tackles thru Week 4: Jackson Sirmon - 30 No. 1 for UW Ranked 6th in the PAC-12 Conference
CFetters: When you see me post, how about ignoring it or simply downvoting it? Frankly, I don’t give a flying fuck about your critique. You’re a moderator.
BBK and Psalm had great numbers too.
Unfortunately they don't keep LB stats on how many YPC they allow versus should allow, if they were any good.
Opposing RB YAC stats on BBK and Psalm were off the charts, also, as they piggybacked on RBs running by and over them for 8 YPC.
BBK was very good, GTFO with this tired narrative.
He spent two years overrunning the point of contact because he was fast, but not strong enough. When he could, he jumped on RBs backs a lot and got carried for several yards. He accumulated a lot of tackles, but gave up a lot of yards in critical situations.
He became more disciplined over time, gained a few pounds and strength, and became more effective at pressuring the QB and collapsing the pocket in his final year. His angles got better as did his technique as he focused more on interrupting the backfield than hooking the QB for an arm tackle sack as he flew by. He was never an LB that blew up plays or that teams ran away from. He was fast and athletic but nothing "very good" until his last year.
Hope this doesn’t muck up this thread because it’s “historical bullshit”:
Total Tackles thru Week 4: Jackson Sirmon - 30 No. 1 for UW Ranked 6th in the PAC-12 Conference
CFetters: When you see me post, how about ignoring it or simply downvoting it? Frankly, I don’t give a flying fuck about your critique. You’re a moderator.
BBK and Psalm had great numbers too.
Unfortunately they don't keep LB stats on how many YPC they allow versus should allow, if they were any good.
Opposing RB YAC stats on BBK and Psalm were off the charts, also, as they piggybacked on RBs running by and over them for 8 YPC.
BBK was very good, GTFO with this tired narrative.
He spent two years overrunning the point of contact because he was fast, but not strong enough. When he could, he jumped on RBs backs a lot and got carried for several yards. He accumulated a lot of tackles, but gave up a lot of yards in critical situations.
He became more disciplined over time, gained a few pounds and strength, and became more effective at pressuring the QB and collapsing the pocket in his final year. His angles got better as did his technique as he focused more on interrupting the backfield than hooking the QB for an arm tackle sack as he flew by. He was never an LB that blew up plays or that teams ran away from. He was fast and athletic but nothing "very good" until his last year.
Dude if we had BBK in 2019 we win 11+ games
Weaknesses Lack of size will push him off some draft boards Low percentage of tackles on opponent's side of the ball Takes steep pursuit angles and can end up on low side Short arms show up with "just miss" tackle dives Slow to punch and plays away from blocker Downhill drift gets him trapped against counters Gives away run fit with attempts to elude blocks Must find a way to improve take-on leverage in the gap Needs more control in approach to tackle receivers in big spaces
"That defensive line did a great job of protecting him so he could run around and make a bunch of plays. He's a fun player to watch, but I don't think the production translates." -- Scouting director for NFC team
If you can't see 2019 would have been significantly better with an LB who went in the fifth round of the NFL draft than Kyler Manu/Brandon Wellington (or this team rather than Sirmon) then @GrandpaSankey can't help you.
Hope this doesn’t muck up this thread because it’s “historical bullshit”:
Total Tackles thru Week 4: Jackson Sirmon - 30 No. 1 for UW Ranked 6th in the PAC-12 Conference
CFetters: When you see me post, how about ignoring it or simply downvoting it? Frankly, I don’t give a flying fuck about your critique. You’re a moderator.
BBK and Psalm had great numbers too.
Unfortunately they don't keep LB stats on how many YPC they allow versus should allow, if they were any good.
Opposing RB YAC stats on BBK and Psalm were off the charts, also, as they piggybacked on RBs running by and over them for 8 YPC.
BBK was very good, GTFO with this tired narrative.
He spent two years overrunning the point of contact because he was fast, but not strong enough. When he could, he jumped on RBs backs a lot and got carried for several yards. He accumulated a lot of tackles, but gave up a lot of yards in critical situations.
He became more disciplined over time, gained a few pounds and strength, and became more effective at pressuring the QB and collapsing the pocket in his final year. His angles got better as did his technique as he focused more on interrupting the backfield than hooking the QB for an arm tackle sack as he flew by. He was never an LB that blew up plays or that teams ran away from. He was fast and athletic but nothing "very good" until his last year.
As long as we agree he was very good his last year.
And I don't see any reason to believe Sirmon is on any such trajectory so the comp is just bad in general.
Not to mention Psalm neither played the position Sirmon/ BBK play nor did he ever accomplish anything close to BBK's senior year so that comp is nonsensical as well.
Overall, awful comps but I'm glad we agree BBK was very good his senior year.
I'm not sure Psalm ever knew what position he was playing.
The similarities were the athleticism and speed. At least I could tell what BBK was trying do. With Psalm, who knew half the time?
PS, I'm not trying to shit on BBK here. His improvement was notable and it made him a much better player over time. I'd like to know where it came from, in hopes Sirmon and others can be similarly schooled out of their present bad habits and techniques.
Hope this doesn’t muck up this thread because it’s “historical bullshit”:
Total Tackles thru Week 4: Jackson Sirmon - 30 No. 1 for UW Ranked 6th in the PAC-12 Conference
CFetters: When you see me post, how about ignoring it or simply downvoting it? Frankly, I don’t give a flying fuck about your critique. You’re a moderator.
BBK and Psalm had great numbers too.
Unfortunately they don't keep LB stats on how many YPC they allow versus should allow, if they were any good.
Opposing RB YAC stats on BBK and Psalm were off the charts, also, as they piggybacked on RBs running by and over them for 8 YPC.
BBK was very good, GTFO with this tired narrative.
He spent two years overrunning the point of contact because he was fast, but not strong enough. When he could, he jumped on RBs backs a lot and got carried for several yards. He accumulated a lot of tackles, but gave up a lot of yards in critical situations.
He became more disciplined over time, gained a few pounds and strength, and became more effective at pressuring the QB and collapsing the pocket in his final year. His angles got better as did his technique as he focused more on interrupting the backfield than hooking the QB for an arm tackle sack as he flew by. He was never an LB that blew up plays or that teams ran away from. He was fast and athletic but nothing "very good" until his last year.
Dude if we had BBK in 2019 we win 11+ games
Weaknesses Lack of size will push him off some draft boards Low percentage of tackles on opponent's side of the ball Takes steep pursuit angles and can end up on low side Short arms show up with "just miss" tackle dives Slow to punch and plays away from blocker Downhill drift gets him trapped against counters Gives away run fit with attempts to elude blocks Must find a way to improve take-on leverage in the gap Needs more control in approach to tackle receivers in big spaces
"That defensive line did a great job of protecting him so he could run around and make a bunch of plays. He's a fun player to watch, but I don't think the production translates." -- Scouting director for NFC team
Dude I am known for my shitty takes, but this take is beyond stupid. Did you not see Manu and Beefwellington play??
Hope this doesn’t muck up this thread because it’s “historical bullshit”:
Total Tackles thru Week 4: Jackson Sirmon - 30 No. 1 for UW Ranked 6th in the PAC-12 Conference
CFetters: When you see me post, how about ignoring it or simply downvoting it? Frankly, I don’t give a flying fuck about your critique. You’re a moderator.
BBK and Psalm had great numbers too.
Unfortunately they don't keep LB stats on how many YPC they allow versus should allow, if they were any good.
Opposing RB YAC stats on BBK and Psalm were off the charts, also, as they piggybacked on RBs running by and over them for 8 YPC.
BBK was very good, GTFO with this tired narrative.
He spent two years overrunning the point of contact because he was fast, but not strong enough. When he could, he jumped on RBs backs a lot and got carried for several yards. He accumulated a lot of tackles, but gave up a lot of yards in critical situations.
He became more disciplined over time, gained a few pounds and strength, and became more effective at pressuring the QB and collapsing the pocket in his final year. His angles got better as did his technique as he focused more on interrupting the backfield than hooking the QB for an arm tackle sack as he flew by. He was never an LB that blew up plays or that teams ran away from. He was fast and athletic but nothing "very good" until his last year.
As long as we agree he was very good his last year.
And I don't see any reason to believe Sirmon is on any such trajectory so the comp is just bad in general.
Not to mention Psalm neither played the position Sirmon/ BBK play nor did he ever accomplish anything close to BBK's senior year so that comp is nonsensical as well.
Overall, awful comps but I'm glad we agree BBK was very good his senior year.
I'm not sure Psalm ever knew what position he was playing.
The similarities were the athleticism and speed. At least I could tell what BBK was trying do. With Psalm, who knew half the time?
PS, I'm not trying to shit on BBK here. His improvement was notable and it made him a much better player over time. I'd like to know where it came from, in hopes Sirmon and others can be similarly schooled out of their present bad habits and techniques.
BBK always had elite speed and athleticism he just had to get stronger and better at knowing where to be. No LB on the current roster moves as well as BBK did from day one.
I miss Azeem bringing the pain as much as anybody but BBK got a lot of crap for not immediately bringing down ballcarriers no other LB we've had in ten years would have ever touched. He was overrated by the media but massively underrated here.
Having a guy like BBK in the umbrella defense was really important when you insist on playing your safeties 25 yards off the LOS. He was really fast and was able to minimize the big plays. He was almost more of a hybrid safety than a thumper LB and that works really well in this system. All the guys we have now are slow and can’t cover mistakes like BBK could. Just my two cents.
Hope this doesn’t muck up this thread because it’s “historical bullshit”:
Total Tackles thru Week 4: Jackson Sirmon - 30 No. 1 for UW Ranked 6th in the PAC-12 Conference
CFetters: When you see me post, how about ignoring it or simply downvoting it? Frankly, I don’t give a flying fuck about your critique. You’re a moderator.
BBK and Psalm had great numbers too.
Unfortunately they don't keep LB stats on how many YPC they allow versus should allow, if they were any good.
Opposing RB YAC stats on BBK and Psalm were off the charts, also, as they piggybacked on RBs running by and over them for 8 YPC.
BBK was very good, GTFO with this tired narrative.
He spent two years overrunning the point of contact because he was fast, but not strong enough. When he could, he jumped on RBs backs a lot and got carried for several yards. He accumulated a lot of tackles, but gave up a lot of yards in critical situations.
He became more disciplined over time, gained a few pounds and strength, and became more effective at pressuring the QB and collapsing the pocket in his final year. His angles got better as did his technique as he focused more on interrupting the backfield than hooking the QB for an arm tackle sack as he flew by. He was never an LB that blew up plays or that teams ran away from. He was fast and athletic but nothing "very good" until his last year.
He really didn’t. He got dragged at times but he was always at least an above average PAC 12 LB, even as a sophomore. There aren’t many ways to run away from an ILB that plays sideline to sideline.
When he was a junior there were posters that said he was only good because of Vea. Then when Vea left, he got even better. BBK bullshit was always strong group think led by Dennis.
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And I don't see any reason to believe Sirmon is on any such trajectory so the comp is just bad in general.
Not to mention Psalm neither played the position Sirmon/ BBK play nor did he ever accomplish anything close to BBK's senior year so that comp is nonsensical as well.
Overall, awful comps but I'm glad we agree BBK was very good his senior year.
Lack of size will push him off some draft boards
Low percentage of tackles on opponent's side of the ball
Takes steep pursuit angles and can end up on low side
Short arms show up with "just miss" tackle dives
Slow to punch and plays away from blocker
Downhill drift gets him trapped against counters
Gives away run fit with attempts to elude blocks
Must find a way to improve take-on leverage in the gap
Needs more control in approach to tackle receivers in big spaces
"That defensive line did a great job of protecting him so he could run around and make a bunch of plays. He's a fun player to watch, but I don't think the production translates." -- Scouting director for NFC team
The similarities were the athleticism and speed. At least I could tell what BBK was trying do. With Psalm, who knew half the time?
PS, I'm not trying to shit on BBK here. His improvement was notable and it made him a much better player over time. I'd like to know where it came from, in hopes Sirmon and others can be similarly schooled out of their present bad habits and techniques.
I miss Azeem bringing the pain as much as anybody but BBK got a lot of crap for not immediately bringing down ballcarriers no other LB we've had in ten years would have ever touched. He was overrated by the media but massively underrated here.
My response, “Go FUCK yourself!” (along with your sidekicks), to wit: Fatters, PurpleBaze and dnc.
When he was a junior there were posters that said he was only good because of Vea. Then when Vea left, he got even better. BBK bullshit was always strong group think led by Dennis.