I’m not anti vax seatbelts myself but the blind faith in seatbelts and airbags and science message is propaganda. People have had seriously adverse and sometimes long term effects from vaccines been killed by seatbelts and airbags.
My anti-vaxxing coworker explained why he never wears a seatbelt using the above argument. At least he's consistent in his dipshittery. It reminds me of the argument against self-driving vehicles: "But they'll crash!" Yeah, they'll crash. That's not important. What's important is that they crash at a lower rate than humans, and this is already the case.
The question with the vaccine is does it harm/kill people at a greater rate and severity than the virus itself. I don't see how it could have passed clinical trials if it did. If it passed in spite of "acceptable losses," then the obvious strategy would be to give the vaccine to elderly and high-risk population and let the young and fit have a COVID party until natural immunities are built up.
Which is pretty much what's happening anyway, hence the "bad reactions" numbers being scary. At this point, the vast majority of vaccines worldwide have been administered to elderly and at-risk. The same people who have much, much higher death rates from the virus as well. I'm betting that the people who attribute the death of a 90 year old woman to the vaccine she took a week earlier are the same people who were shitting on the COVID death numbers because actual cause of death was pneumonia or old age or heart attack, etc. It's the same thing.
Liberal rag Bloomberg sums it up pretty well here. Sounds like the same kind of reactions very few people have to just about any vaccine, and all of these new vaccines passed the same clinical trials process that any other vaccine we give our kids did, they were just put through those paces on an accelerated timeline, with less hemming and hawing between trials.
This right fucking here my man. Spot the fuck on. I'm just gonna say it out loud even though I'm not in the Tug and thus have be on better behavior: all of the vax-obsessed people I know (yes, another creepy anecdotal study), and there are many of them (fuck I need new friends), are of a type. And what you wrote is a feature they all share in common, among others.
What gets me is people who cherry pick these issues and don't realize how random and stupid they're being. Like the doc said, if you sit in traffic on I-5 everyday, you are breathing shit into your lungs several hours a week that will 100% do more long-term damage to you than a vaccine side-effect ever will unless you win the vaccine lottery and are that 1 in whatever person who really has a reaction. Let's not even start with the American diet and smoking and beating the fuck out of your liver with booze and fatty foods and pain pill chemicals. Mind you, I don't care about those things ... people have their vices and so do I. It's just dumb to focus on this one thing when you're doing shit every day that in all but a miniscule number of vax cases is bad for you.
It's just another thing to bitch about, and as we know, bitching is an American birthright.
The Throbber isn't anti-vax. The Throbber is anti- taking a vaccine that has the shortest duration of clinical trials known to man (Ok, that may not be entirely true - but they didn't test this shit for any meaningful timeframe).
Get a couple more laps around the sun that show recipients aren't growing a third ear or their dick isn't shriveling up or being off'd by 5G (Hi, OBK) and I'm in.
The Throbber likes being cutting edge. The Throbber does not like being bleeding edge.
That said, Jake Browning still sucks and LIFPO.
The vaccine is equally likely to make your dick HUGE! Ever think of that!?
I’m not anti vax seatbelts myself but the blind faith in seatbelts and airbags and science message is propaganda. People have had seriously adverse and sometimes long term effects from vaccines been killed by seatbelts and airbags.
My anti-vaxxing coworker explained why he never wears a seatbelt using the above argument. At least he's consistent in his dipshittery. It reminds me of the argument against self-driving vehicles: "But they'll crash!" Yeah, they'll crash. That's not important. What's important is that they crash at a lower rate than humans, and this is already the case.
The question with the vaccine is does it harm/kill people at a greater rate and severity than the virus itself. I don't see how it could have passed clinical trials if it did. If it passed in spite of "acceptable losses," then the obvious strategy would be to give the vaccine to elderly and high-risk population and let the young and fit have a COVID party until natural immunities are built up.
Which is pretty much what's happening anyway, hence the "bad reactions" numbers being scary. At this point, the vast majority of vaccines worldwide have been administered to elderly and at-risk. The same people who have much, much higher death rates from the virus as well. I'm betting that the people who attribute the death of a 90 year old woman to the vaccine she took a week earlier are the same people who were shitting on the COVID death numbers because actual cause of death was pneumonia or old age or heart attack, etc. It's the same thing.
Liberal rag Bloomberg sums it up pretty well here. Sounds like the same kind of reactions very few people have to just about any vaccine, and all of these new vaccines passed the same clinical trials process that any other vaccine we give our kids did, they were just put through those paces on an accelerated timeline, with less hemming and hawing between trials.
This right fucking here my man. Spot the fuck on. I'm just gonna say it out loud even though I'm not in the Tug and thus have be on better behavior: all of the vax-obsessed people I know (yes, another creepy anecdotal study), and there are many of them (fuck I need new friends), are of a type. And what you wrote is a feature they all share in common, among others.
What gets me is people who cherry pick these issues and don't realize how random and stupid they're being. Like the doc said, if you sit in traffic on I-5 everyday, you are breathing shit into your lungs several hours a week that will 100% do more long-term damage to you than a vaccine side-effect ever will unless you win the vaccine lottery and are that 1 in whatever person who really has a reaction. Let's not even start with the American diet and smoking and beating the fuck out of your liver with booze and fatty foods and pain pill chemicals. Mind you, I don't care about those things ... people have their vices and so do I. It's just dumb to focus on this one thing when you're doing shit every day that in all but a miniscule number of vax cases is bad for you.
It's just another thing to bitch about, and as we know, bitching is an American birthright.
The Throbber isn't anti-vax. The Throbber is anti- taking a vaccine that has the shortest duration of clinical trials known to man (Ok, that may not be entirely true - but they didn't test this shit for any meaningful timeframe).
Get a couple more laps around the sun that show recipients aren't growing a third ear or their dick isn't shriveling up or being off'd by 5G (Hi, OBK) and I'm in.
The Throbber likes being cutting edge. The Throbber does not like being bleeding edge.
That said, Jake Browning still sucks and LIFPO.
The vaccine is equally likely to make your dick HUGE! Ever think of that!?
Fuck yes cash in your 401-k have you been reading the headlines???
Funny - Saturday afternoon, Mrs. Throbber v2.0 and I were out for a drive and saw a billboard with the jackpot amount. "Hey, we should drop $10...we're gonna be rich!"
Got to the store and the line was out the door.
"Fuck it - don't want to wait. Not worth it".
There's a strangely 21st century American ethos tale in there somewhere.....
My wife's grandparents gave me a card with a hundred dollar bill in it for Christmas. Like being a little kid again. I wasn't expecting it and therefore felt like blowing it, so I used $20 of it to pay back my son for something I owed him for and dropped the other $80 on Powerball tickets. I was all excited until my investment netted me--no shit--negative $80.
Worth it.
I plan giving my progeny a bill for a million dollars when they reach adulthood for all the diapers and ballet lessons and whatever other bullshit I have to pay for. It will be like student loans for them, only better. Because I get the money.
I’m not anti vax seatbelts myself but the blind faith in seatbelts and airbags and science message is propaganda. People have had seriously adverse and sometimes long term effects from vaccines been killed by seatbelts and airbags.
My anti-vaxxing coworker explained why he never wears a seatbelt using the above argument. At least he's consistent in his dipshittery. It reminds me of the argument against self-driving vehicles: "But they'll crash!" Yeah, they'll crash. That's not important. What's important is that they crash at a lower rate than humans, and this is already the case.
The question with the vaccine is does it harm/kill people at a greater rate and severity than the virus itself. I don't see how it could have passed clinical trials if it did. If it passed in spite of "acceptable losses," then the obvious strategy would be to give the vaccine to elderly and high-risk population and let the young and fit have a COVID party until natural immunities are built up.
Which is pretty much what's happening anyway, hence the "bad reactions" numbers being scary. At this point, the vast majority of vaccines worldwide have been administered to elderly and at-risk. The same people who have much, much higher death rates from the virus as well. I'm betting that the people who attribute the death of a 90 year old woman to the vaccine she took a week earlier are the same people who were shitting on the COVID death numbers because actual cause of death was pneumonia or old age or heart attack, etc. It's the same thing.
Liberal rag Bloomberg sums it up pretty well here. Sounds like the same kind of reactions very few people have to just about any vaccine, and all of these new vaccines passed the same clinical trials process that any other vaccine we give our kids did, they were just put through those paces on an accelerated timeline, with less hemming and hawing between trials.
I agree with most everything you're saying here, and I'm very pro vax in general. I do think it makes sense to be a bit skeptical about this one since it is a. so new and b. was developed in a fairly short period of time.
I think it's probably going to be fine. I'm also very comfortable letting other people be the guinea pigs while I observe.
I don't think the time frame argument is valid. This vaccine was developed without the obstacles most vaccines face in their development, and the tools used are so much more advanced than they were for previous vaccines. It doesn't take as long to do anything as it used to - why should a vaccine be any different - and let's not forget how motivated the world was to develop this vaccine.
I think the peace of mind I'll get from taking the vax will outweigh the concerns I have about it, so I'm doin' it as soon as some fucker says I can. I'll let you guysm know if a third arm starts growing out of my forehead or if my hair falls out or some shit like that. My anecdotes are as good as a controlled double-blind quite easily.
I am down 35 pounds, off of one of two BP medicines that were inflicted on me and use the other one about three times a week. Like Gordon Gekko I have a BP monitor at my desk. Red wine helps too
And exercise. Mostly walking now
I've moved up to a run/walk combo. Running everyday on asphalt ... the body doesn't allow that any more. I still need to check my diet ... I've got around 10 or 15 I need to lose.
Fat fuck creep.
It's funny everyone else I know got fat on Covid, but like Race I shed 30 pounds of marriage/Daddy/no more cocaine weight and am back down to a fit and trim buck 70 at 5' 10". Of coruse all my hair has started falling out rapidly, so I've got that going for me. Goddamnit.
Male pattern baldness runs in my family but it missed me. But, I’m now old enough that it’s just starting to thin out from age. Just on my head mind you, it’s going like weeds everywhere else. Fuck...
Mine has been so weird. I had a full head of hair for the most part at 40. Slight widows peaks but it was all still there. Pumpy's flowing locks and shit. By 45 slight recessions but still good to go. The last couple years it just all fell out all at once. Shower looks like the floor of a barber shop after I get out the last 6 months. Nothing gradual about it. I had hair, and then I didn't. WTF. I'm Injun/Scot/Welsh. I got all the worst characteristics of all three.
Shitty easily burned skin. Thanks Scotland, you fucks. Going bald. Thanks Wales, you fucks. Hate everyone except trees. Thanks 1st Nation, you fucks. Raging drug addict and alcoholic. Thanks all of you, you fucks.
I told you your being scottish sucked.
Oh brother, I'm sorry. And what's a particular bitch for you is that, as you likely well know, injuns never lose their hair. It's not a thing in that gene pool. At all. Fuck.
My 97 year old grandather had Rick Ricardo hair (of course). Full fucking head of waivy hair he just combed straight back. Never lost a millimeter of it. Which is amazing because almost all men thin eventually when they get old enough. He never did. He was the 1/2 of 1% who had as much hair at 97 as did at 17. That sucked for me and my old man to live with.
Wait I'm not scottish. I've got good hair. I am taking the stuff so I keep having good hair.
Yes there could be hypothetical long term side effects from the vaccine. So far these vaccines are looking very benign with respect to allergic reactions and side effects. Obviously we have only had x time to observe side effects, but one key thing to remember when thinking about how quickly these came out is that even though they went through expedited protocols, a significant part of how quickly they came out is that the pandemic meant the control group had a sufficient number of infections had a record pace.
On top of that there are known effects (e.g. lung damage) from surviving, even when you're young and healthy.
9 months ago I was in the wait and see camp with respect to a vaccine. At this point I encourage you all to wait and see so the line will be shorter for me to get mine.
I have to get one for a Govt contract or kiss the money goodbye. How I feel about it matters not. Odds are, I don’t miss a beat. On the other hand, If by chance I collapse in an allergic fit? Oh well. See ya guys!
I have to get one for a Govt contract or kiss the money goodbye. How I feel about it matters not. Odds are, I don’t miss a beat. On the other hand, If by chance I collapse in an allergic fit? Oh well. See ya guys!
BTW, if I have to watch that goddamned Alaska safety dance bullshit commercial 14,000 more times before the lockdown is lifted, there's gonna be something happen. I'm not sure what but something. AAAARRGHH
BTW, if I have to watch that goddamned Alaska safety dance bullshit commercial 14,000 more times before the lockdown is lifted, there's gonna be something happen. I'm not sure what but something. AAAARRGHH
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I think the peace of mind I'll get from taking the vax will outweigh the concerns I have about it, so I'm doin' it as soon as some fucker says I can. I'll let you guysm know if a third arm starts growing out of my forehead or if my hair falls out or some shit like that. My anecdotes are as good as a controlled double-blind quite easily.
On top of that there are known effects (e.g. lung damage) from surviving, even when you're young and healthy.
9 months ago I was in the wait and see camp with respect to a vaccine. At this point I encourage you all to wait and see so the line will be shorter for me to get mine.
I have to get one for a Govt contract or kiss the money goodbye. How I feel about it matters not. Odds are, I don’t miss a beat. On the other hand, If by chance I collapse in an allergic fit? Oh well. See ya guys!
Looks to be effective.