The fundamental problem is this idea that going to Texas is taking away resources from elsewhere
If you check most of the Texas trips are also combined with Utah, Arizona, etc ..
For those not aware of flight times, SEA ➡️ DFW is about 3:15 to 3:30 ... LAX and Phoenix are more in the 2:30 to 3:00 range ... it’s really not material
As for Texas, the question for me is what/how are we doing what we’re doing. Forming strong relationships with schools like Allen HS is a good use of our time ... just like having ins with St John Bosco is for us in LA. Doesn’t mean that we get everybody from those schools. But when there is a good fit and interest, the results can be really good.
There’s a ton of talent in Texas ... it’s good for us to have a presence.
A couple other considerations:
1) West Coast participation is potentially declining and on top of that there’s a P12 perception issue
2) Tech is becoming a BIG DEAL in Texas and the presence of companies like Amazon, Microsoft, etc is increasing ... there’s definitely tie in opportunities there
3) The way Texas recruiting works there are really good players that Texas/Oklahoma never even sniff at ... players like Sunday are great examples
Shortest nonstop on Orbitz is 3:45 minutes. Longest is about 4:10. Safe to say average is 3:55ish.
Return trip is longer with 4:10 the low end and 4:30 the high end. Average about 4:20.
LAX shortest is 2:40, longest is 3:02. Average is probably 2:50ish.
Back is slightly shorter with only one flight at 3:00 even and a couple under 2:40. Basically the same.
So about an hour and five minutes longer there and an hour and a half longer back.
So it's a bigger difference than being stated here but still not as big of a difference as one would think.
The fundamental problem is this idea that going to Texas is taking away resources from elsewhere
If you check most of the Texas trips are also combined with Utah, Arizona, etc ..
For those not aware of flight times, SEA ➡️ DFW is about 3:15 to 3:30 ... LAX and Phoenix are more in the 2:30 to 3:00 range ... it’s really not material
As for Texas, the question for me is what/how are we doing what we’re doing. Forming strong relationships with schools like Allen HS is a good use of our time ... just like having ins with St John Bosco is for us in LA. Doesn’t mean that we get everybody from those schools. But when there is a good fit and interest, the results can be really good.
There’s a ton of talent in Texas ... it’s good for us to have a presence.
A couple other considerations:
1) West Coast participation is potentially declining and on top of that there’s a P12 perception issue
2) Tech is becoming a BIG DEAL in Texas and the presence of companies like Amazon, Microsoft, etc is increasing ... there’s definitely tie in opportunities there
3) The way Texas recruiting works there are really good players that Texas/Oklahoma never even sniff at ... players like Sunday are great examples
Shortest nonstop on Orbitz is 3:45 minutes. Longest is about 4:10. Safe to say average is 3:55ish.
Return trip is longer with 4:10 the low end and 4:30 the high end. Average about 4:20.
LAX shortest is 2:40, longest is 3:02. Average is probably 2:50ish.
Back is slightly shorter with only one flight at 3:00 even and a couple under 2:40. Basically the same.
So about an hour and five minutes longer there and an hour and a half longer back.
So it's a bigger difference than being stated here but still not as big of a difference as one would think.
There’s listed and reality ... I fly the route often ... I should know
The fundamental problem is this idea that going to Texas is taking away resources from elsewhere
If you check most of the Texas trips are also combined with Utah, Arizona, etc ..
For those not aware of flight times, SEA ➡️ DFW is about 3:15 to 3:30 ... LAX and Phoenix are more in the 2:30 to 3:00 range ... it’s really not material
As for Texas, the question for me is what/how are we doing what we’re doing. Forming strong relationships with schools like Allen HS is a good use of our time ... just like having ins with St John Bosco is for us in LA. Doesn’t mean that we get everybody from those schools. But when there is a good fit and interest, the results can be really good.
There’s a ton of talent in Texas ... it’s good for us to have a presence.
A couple other considerations:
1) West Coast participation is potentially declining and on top of that there’s a P12 perception issue
2) Tech is becoming a BIG DEAL in Texas and the presence of companies like Amazon, Microsoft, etc is increasing ... there’s definitely tie in opportunities there
3) The way Texas recruiting works there are really good players that Texas/Oklahoma never even sniff at ... players like Sunday are great examples
Shortest nonstop on Orbitz is 3:45 minutes. Longest is about 4:10. Safe to say average is 3:55ish.
Return trip is longer with 4:10 the low end and 4:30 the high end. Average about 4:20.
LAX shortest is 2:40, longest is 3:02. Average is probably 2:50ish.
Back is slightly shorter with only one flight at 3:00 even and a couple under 2:40. Basically the same.
So about an hour and five minutes longer there and an hour and a half longer back.
So it's a bigger difference than being stated here but still not as big of a difference as one would think.
There’s listed and reality ... I fly the route often ... I should know
So the DFW flights are thirty minutes faster than listed but the LAX ones are listed correctly?
We recruit the West Coast and the coaches think and have already gotten good players from Texas. They target some guys there and go after the ones that show interest. It’s not a big deal and is being made out to be a way bigger deal than it is.
If you think you’re going to lecture me on what opportunity cost is you’re insane
People talk about opportunity cost because Dennis talks about it ...
There are parts of what Dennis says that I absolutely agree with in terms of opportunity cost
There are parts where I completely disagree
Opportunity cost is most applicable where you are boundless ... but recruiting is finite
If there are no scholarship limits you recruit everybody in state and then let them earn their spot, flame out, whatever.
But with limits we have to be selective. You have to target the best players possible that fit what it is that you want to do.
Again, the resources spent in Texas really only matter if we are missing on West Coast based players BECAUSE OF the efforts that we are spending in Texas. There is no material effort that that is the case.
Texas at this point is a CapEx investment that we are making for long term benefit. We are getting some short term returns but probably not at a break even versus the effort.
IMO, expanding our geographic footprint is critical if we want to compete nationally long term. You can freely disagree with me on that as we are all entitled to opinions. This is all about supplementing and adding to our recruiting base ... not taking away from it.
The reality is that if you don’t get ahead of trends it’s too late to react when they become obvious
West Coast participation is potentially declining and on top of that there’s a P12 perception issue
This is the real issue. If you think it’s tough keeping top West Coast kids in the P12, try moving outside the footprint, where you can’t even seen most P12 games on TV, except for the handful that start at 9:00 p.m. CT or later.
The cord-cutting trend will only worsen UW’s TV disadvantage nationally. Until the P12 shitcans Larry Scott and unfucks its ludicrous TV/streaming contracts, the only Texan players available to UW will continue to be guys the bluebloods don’t want. Which just isn’t a sound strategy for enhancing your Blue Chip Ratio and positioning yourself to win a National Championship.
It’s applicable when I have a finite amount of resources (usually in the form of $$$) and I’m making decisions on how to maximize bang for my buck (usually customers)
The limiting agent in CFB recruiting is amount of time on the road recruiting. Coaches have to be smart at where they travel, who they visit, and most importantly and not really talked about here are the HS programs/coaches they want to build pipelines with.
The flaw in how most of you are talking about opportunity cost is that the recruiting game isn’t about maximizing customers (recruits). The recruiting game is finite and in any given class it’s about being able to secure the top targets that you can.
Road Dawg is spot on in his assessment. Texas is all about building out infrastructure and pipelines for the future. 1 to 3 kids don’t sound like a lot but it’s 5-15% of our class. In the last 5 years we’ve gone from being blown out in Hawaii to very successful by investing, time, energy, and resources. Same with Utah. Texas is no different.
I understand the reservations when it comes to Texas recruiting but I don't see the issue. The notion that we are wasting resources in Texas is wrong. Most of recruiting is texting and face time which doesn't take a lot of time or effort, it allows us to offer more recruits because of our strict criteria for offering and we aren't neglecting California for Texas. California is the first state the coaches evaluate for recruits and once they have done that along with Washington then they move on to other states. Us recruiting Texas hasn't prevented us from getting California recruits, it's just given us more opportunity for UW caliber recruits.
West Coast participation is potentially declining and on top of that there’s a P12 perception issue
This is the real issue. If you think it’s tough keeping top West Coast kids in the P12, try moving outside the footprint, where you can’t even seen most P12 games on TV, except for the handful that start at 9:00 p.m. CT or later.
The cord-cutting trend will only worsen UW’s TV disadvantage nationally. Until the P12 shitcans Larry Scott and unfucks its ludicrous TV/streaming contracts, the only Texan players available to UW will continue to be guys the bluebloods don’t want. Which just isn’t a sound strategy for enhancing your Blue Chip Ratio and positioning yourself to win a National Championship.
as UW continues to level up it may be more value with less risk for UW to schedule kick ass non-conference games because if they're any good they'll definitely all be on national tv.
the only lack of exposure we are risking now that Pete's leveled up the recruiting and team size/skill is the current shit non-conf games like EWU, Hawaii, etc and the shit games that even we hardcore fans can barely handle (Oregon State or bottom feeding Pac12 teams in a given year).
This goes back a ways. Look at 2000 and imagine the SEC having three teams like Oregon OSU and UW were that year.
None of them were great because we saw them up close but that's true with almost any team. All of them beat major opponents and won big bowls yet didn't sniff the national title game because the perception was Miami and FSU were just better. Probably were but we? beat Miami
The SEC does that and they build statues
Our perception sucks. Still
Tough for anyone not named USC to overcome that in a year or so. Oregon was getting there then poof
It’s applicable when I have a finite amount of resources (usually in the form of $$$) and I’m making decisions on how to maximize bang for my buck (usually customers)
The limiting agent in CFB recruiting is amount of time on the road recruiting. Coaches have to be smart at where they travel, who they visit, and most importantly and not really talked about here are the HS programs/coaches they want to build pipelines with.
The flaw in how most of you are talking about opportunity cost is that the recruiting game isn’t about maximizing customers (recruits). The recruiting game is finite and in any given class it’s about being able to secure the top targets that you can.
Road Dawg is spot on in his assessment. Texas is all about building out infrastructure and pipelines for the future. 1 to 3 kids don’t sound like a lot but it’s 5-15% of our class. In the last 5 years we’ve gone from being blown out in Hawaii to very successful by investing, time, energy, and resources. Same with Utah. Texas is no different.
No one is arguing about maximizing the number of recruits, it's about where your time is best spent closing highly rated recruits. We have a much higher closing rate in the West than we do in Texas, so every minute spent in Texas is detrimental to recruiting in California.
Is your finite resource (time) better spent in Texas or a western state?
You fuckers have way too strong of opinions about recruiting in Texas. @Tequilla's right when he compares it to an investment, and right now we're obviously eating the costs. LIFPO, it may work or it may not, but we're not supposed to see the real returns yet.
The worst take I saw in this AIDS-infested thread was someone saying Clemson could waltz into California now that they're a national brand and that that should be our strategy, i.e. wait until we're a "national brand". What a load of shit. If you think Clemson wasn't making inroads to Cali before they were Clemson and just decided to show up one day once they became the hot girl, you're out of your god damn mind.
It’s applicable when I have a finite amount of resources (usually in the form of $$$) and I’m making decisions on how to maximize bang for my buck (usually customers)
The limiting agent in CFB recruiting is amount of time on the road recruiting. Coaches have to be smart at where they travel, who they visit, and most importantly and not really talked about here are the HS programs/coaches they want to build pipelines with.
The flaw in how most of you are talking about opportunity cost is that the recruiting game isn’t about maximizing customers (recruits). The recruiting game is finite and in any given class it’s about being able to secure the top targets that you can.
Road Dawg is spot on in his assessment. Texas is all about building out infrastructure and pipelines for the future. 1 to 3 kids don’t sound like a lot but it’s 5-15% of our class. In the last 5 years we’ve gone from being blown out in Hawaii to very successful by investing, time, energy, and resources. Same with Utah. Texas is no different.
Yeah like huskyskeet said nobody was arguing to maximize customers. Everybody was arguing about time as a limiting factor.
Next time before you come in on your TCU MBA high horse trying to explain basic concepts like we are idiots maybe take a second read first.
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Return trip is longer with 4:10 the low end and 4:30 the high end. Average about 4:20.
LAX shortest is 2:40, longest is 3:02. Average is probably 2:50ish.
Back is slightly shorter with only one flight at 3:00 even and a couple under 2:40. Basically the same.
So about an hour and five minutes longer there and an hour and a half longer back.
So it's a bigger difference than being stated here but still not as big of a difference as one would think.
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The cord-cutting trend will only worsen UW’s TV disadvantage nationally. Until the P12 shitcans Larry Scott and unfucks its ludicrous TV/streaming contracts, the only Texan players available to UW will continue to be guys the bluebloods don’t want. Which just isn’t a sound strategy for enhancing your Blue Chip Ratio and positioning yourself to win a National Championship.
It’s applicable when I have a finite amount of resources (usually in the form of $$$) and I’m making decisions on how to maximize bang for my buck (usually customers)
The limiting agent in CFB recruiting is amount of time on the road recruiting. Coaches have to be smart at where they travel, who they visit, and most importantly and not really talked about here are the HS programs/coaches they want to build pipelines with.
The flaw in how most of you are talking about opportunity cost is that the recruiting game isn’t about maximizing customers (recruits). The recruiting game is finite and in any given class it’s about being able to secure the top targets that you can.
Road Dawg is spot on in his assessment. Texas is all about building out infrastructure and pipelines for the future. 1 to 3 kids don’t sound like a lot but it’s 5-15% of our class. In the last 5 years we’ve gone from being blown out in Hawaii to very successful by investing, time, energy, and resources. Same with Utah. Texas is no different.
the only lack of exposure we are risking now that Pete's leveled up the recruiting and team size/skill is the current shit non-conf games like EWU, Hawaii, etc and the shit games that even we hardcore fans can barely handle (Oregon State or bottom feeding Pac12 teams in a given year).
None of them were great because we saw them up close but that's true with almost any team. All of them beat major opponents and won big bowls yet didn't sniff the national title game because the perception was Miami and FSU were just better. Probably were but we? beat Miami
The SEC does that and they build statues
Our perception sucks. Still
Tough for anyone not named USC to overcome that in a year or so. Oregon was getting there then poof
Is your finite resource (time) better spent in Texas or a western state?
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The worst take I saw in this AIDS-infested thread was someone saying Clemson could waltz into California now that they're a national brand and that that should be our strategy, i.e. wait until we're a "national brand". What a load of shit. If you think Clemson wasn't making inroads to Cali before they were Clemson and just decided to show up one day once they became the hot girl, you're out of your god damn mind.
Next time before you come in on your TCU MBA high horse trying to explain basic concepts like we are idiots maybe take a second read first.
Too many idiots take whatever Dennis says as the gospel