There isn't a single recruit out West that UW wanted and would have gotten had they not "wasted time" recruiting Texas. Not a single one. They clearly have enough time to recruit both the West region and Texas.
Every single recruit out West that UW wanted and missed on was because they are "making an investment" recruiting Texas. Every single one. They clearly do not have enough time to recruit both the West region and Texas.... Damn its fun to make both wrong, overly definitive, and impossible to prove/disprove statements... Now I get it.
If our hidden gems are coming from WA, CA, and TX that's fine with me. If you can create a bigger pool of hidden gems and select the top hidden gems from that larger pool of recruits, then the hidden gems you're getting have a better chance of panning out. For instance, there was no hidden gem offensive lineman on the West coast better than Victor Curne in his class. There is no hidden gem RB out West this class better than Jay'Veon Sunday. Those guys are upgrades over West coast guys we would have had to take had we not recruited Texas.
"hidden gems" is this NCAA 14 or something?
Filling out an opening or two in the bottom of the class with high ceiling/low cost recruit is fine. Its extremely difficult in a state like Texas because you either have to spend a lot of resources finding that overlooked "gem" that every other schools in the country somehow missed (because everyone looks at Texas) OR you have to recruit directly against a school with a massive recruiting advantage.
Name the exact recruits they have missed on because they recruited Texas. You can't, because it's retarded ass logic. At this point in our recruiting, the guys they "miss" on are guys that either weren't highly interested in UW from the very beginning or are looking to get paid. That's it. Guys like Flowe and Ransom weren't highly interested from the very beginning which is inevitable no matter how good the program is and a guy like Ringo is looking for money and we don't pay. We are NOT MISSING any West coast recruits because the coaches didn't put enough time in recruiting them. That is not something that is happening. Shut the fuck up.
And yeah, Texas is one of the most talented states in the country. We can find and sign Texas recruits who have NFL talent. We might not be able to beat Texas and A&M for guys but we can beat TCU and Houston and Baylor and Oklahoma State for guys who would have been NFL draft pick for them but become NFL draft picks for us.
Prove we didn't miss on guys because of recruiting Texas. You can't! Therefore it's true.
It's called proving a fucking negative.
Ballz fucking logic.
I already have. We've never heard from any West coast recruit that didn't come here that UW wasn't recruiting him hard. Our coaches recruit their top West coast targets hard as fuck. We can go down the list and the kid either wasn't interested, was interested but got cooled on by UW, or is looking to get paid. None of them would have committed here if UW wasn't recruiting Texas. That's fucking stupid.
Good thing we aren't discussing top targets or elite talent but 1-2 depth players.
Am I missing something? We have a shit load of West Coast elite talented committed to us right now and more to come. Were you expecting UW to get every single one of them before they have even won a fucking bowl game against a team with a pulse yet? Some people just like to bitch. We've got it pretty damn good right now.
Yes, you do seem to be missing the point. No one is arguing about top tier elite talent. We are arguing about spending a ton of resources on acquiring 1-2 depth players per year out of Texas when we could fairly easily pull that out of a state like California where we are already beginning to dominate recruiting.
And that's where you continue to be wrong. Show me a California 3-star RB you think is better than Sunday. Show me California 3-star ILB you think is better than McDonald. There aren't any. I like McDonald more than I like Bruener's scrawny ass. Our coaches feel like those two guys are better than the 3-star West coast options available to them and that's why they recruited them. If there were better options in California that wanted to come here they would have taken them.
Excluding guys like Bijan since we aren't talking top targets?
Guys who fall inside our geographic footprint who are higher rated than Sunday by 247. I don't have opinions on all of these guys because I don't remotely claim to watch this much tape.
Jalen John - Oregon Ikaika Ragsdale - Nevada Chris Street - California Jyden King - California Jojuan Collins - California Nathaniel Jones - California (Borderline top target) Darvon Hubbard - Arizona
Mind you, none of these guys have to even be "as good" as Sunday. Sunday has to be better enough to justify ALL of the resources spent in Texas recruiting guys.
The question always comes down to what the cost is
The argument against recruiting Texas is that we can be doing better in California. But who in California are we really missing on?
I get all the arguments but the reality is that culture and fit matter a lot to this staff. Those that receive what we are about will gravitate towards us. Those that don’t wont.
Ultimately the key in Texas is gaining traction. Getting a player like Levi is huge. As the Texas players on our roster produce and get to the league our reputation will only further grow there.
Until there’s tangible evidence that our efforts in Texas are wasted, then it’s a worthwhile INVESTMENT for the program to make if they deem that they have the resources to devote to it
Justin Flowe, Elias Ricks, Clark Phillips, Kendall Milton, Jordan Banks...
You can put the time and effort into situations but that doesn’t mean it’s valuable time
Flower by all outward appearances wasn’t interested in us
Ricks is all about the SEC
Milton likewise thought the grass was greener elsewhere
Jordan Banks still is an outstanding item
This idea that you’re going to get everything you target is insanely flawed
Literally no one has said or implied that. JFC.
When names are applied in reference to suggesting more times should have been spent recruiting them, then it’s between implied or suggested that spending more time recruiting those players would have changed the outcome
Which goes to my point that just because you target something doesn’t mean you will get it
There isn't a single recruit out West that UW wanted and would have gotten had they not "wasted time" recruiting Texas. Not a single one. They clearly have enough time to recruit both the West region and Texas.
Every single recruit out West that UW wanted and missed on was because they are "making an investment" recruiting Texas. Every single one. They clearly do not have enough time to recruit both the West region and Texas.... Damn its fun to make both wrong, overly definitive, and impossible to prove/disprove statements... Now I get it.
If our hidden gems are coming from WA, CA, and TX that's fine with me. If you can create a bigger pool of hidden gems and select the top hidden gems from that larger pool of recruits, then the hidden gems you're getting have a better chance of panning out. For instance, there was no hidden gem offensive lineman on the West coast better than Victor Curne in his class. There is no hidden gem RB out West this class better than Jay'Veon Sunday. Those guys are upgrades over West coast guys we would have had to take had we not recruited Texas.
"hidden gems" is this NCAA 14 or something?
Filling out an opening or two in the bottom of the class with high ceiling/low cost recruit is fine. Its extremely difficult in a state like Texas because you either have to spend a lot of resources finding that overlooked "gem" that every other schools in the country somehow missed (because everyone looks at Texas) OR you have to recruit directly against a school with a massive recruiting advantage.
Name the exact recruits they have missed on because they recruited Texas. You can't, because it's retarded ass logic. At this point in our recruiting, the guys they "miss" on are guys that either weren't highly interested in UW from the very beginning or are looking to get paid. That's it. Guys like Flowe and Ransom weren't highly interested from the very beginning which is inevitable no matter how good the program is and a guy like Ringo is looking for money and we don't pay. We are NOT MISSING any West coast recruits because the coaches didn't put enough time in recruiting them. That is not something that is happening. Shut the fuck up.
And yeah, Texas is one of the most talented states in the country. We can find and sign Texas recruits who have NFL talent. We might not be able to beat Texas and A&M for guys but we can beat TCU and Houston and Baylor and Oklahoma State for guys who would have been NFL draft pick for them but become NFL draft picks for us.
Prove we didn't miss on guys because of recruiting Texas. You can't! Therefore it's true.
It's called proving a fucking negative.
Ballz fucking logic.
I already have. We've never heard from any West coast recruit that didn't come here that UW wasn't recruiting him hard. Our coaches recruit their top West coast targets hard as fuck. We can go down the list and the kid either wasn't interested, was interested but got cooled on by UW, or is looking to get paid. None of them would have committed here if UW wasn't recruiting Texas. That's fucking stupid.
Good thing we aren't discussing top targets or elite talent but 1-2 depth players.
Am I missing something? We have a shit load of West Coast elite talented committed to us right now and more to come. Were you expecting UW to get every single one of them before they have even won a fucking bowl game against a team with a pulse yet? Some people just like to bitch. We've got it pretty damn good right now.
Yes, you do seem to be missing the point. No one is arguing about top tier elite talent. We are arguing about spending a ton of resources on acquiring 1-2 depth players per year out of Texas when we could fairly easily pull that out of a state like California where we are already beginning to dominate recruiting.
And that's where you continue to be wrong. Show me a California 3-star RB you think is better than Sunday. Show me California 3-star ILB you think is better than McDonald. There aren't any. I like McDonald more than I like Bruener's scrawny ass. Our coaches feel like those two guys are better than the 3-star West coast options available to them and that's why they recruited them. If there were better options in California that wanted to come here they would have taken them.
The proper analysis is
Sunday minus extra time invested in Texas to find and recruit him vs Jalen John or whatever 3* west coast RB we could have had instead with minimal effort.
For me personally I wish we would have recruited Botelho, Herbig, and Bijan harder even if Bijan was a long shot.
Jalen John? Are you fucking kidding me? He sucks. Sunday is way better.
They recruited those guys as hard as they ever would have. Texas recruiting did not take effort away from recruiting those guys. All of them said UW was all over them. If our coaches didn't recruit Texas they would not put more time and effort into recruiting their West Coast targets. They would have more time to do non-recruiting related things or more time off to spend with their families. Texas recruiting does not affect West coast recruiting at all. They still visit and talk to the West coast kids as much as they would if they weren't recruiting Texas at all.
Haven't watched his tape just threw out a name. Obviously UW coaches who are good at scouting would likely find the best option. Your obsession over naming specific names is your aspergers showing.
Your idea of time is very interesting. You really think Bhonapha is putting in hundreds of extra hours per year in recruiting just because he loves Texas?
You also have this bizarrely strict reading of recruit interviews. You do realize that in this format a recruit is basically never going to say anything negative about a school, right? Yet Bijan still did at one point this spring say he wasn't hearing from UW even though we offered him over 2 years ago.
There isn't a single recruit out West that UW wanted and would have gotten had they not "wasted time" recruiting Texas. Not a single one. They clearly have enough time to recruit both the West region and Texas.
Every single recruit out West that UW wanted and missed on was because they are "making an investment" recruiting Texas. Every single one. They clearly do not have enough time to recruit both the West region and Texas.... Damn its fun to make both wrong, overly definitive, and impossible to prove/disprove statements... Now I get it.
If our hidden gems are coming from WA, CA, and TX that's fine with me. If you can create a bigger pool of hidden gems and select the top hidden gems from that larger pool of recruits, then the hidden gems you're getting have a better chance of panning out. For instance, there was no hidden gem offensive lineman on the West coast better than Victor Curne in his class. There is no hidden gem RB out West this class better than Jay'Veon Sunday. Those guys are upgrades over West coast guys we would have had to take had we not recruited Texas.
"hidden gems" is this NCAA 14 or something?
Filling out an opening or two in the bottom of the class with high ceiling/low cost recruit is fine. Its extremely difficult in a state like Texas because you either have to spend a lot of resources finding that overlooked "gem" that every other schools in the country somehow missed (because everyone looks at Texas) OR you have to recruit directly against a school with a massive recruiting advantage.
Name the exact recruits they have missed on because they recruited Texas. You can't, because it's retarded ass logic. At this point in our recruiting, the guys they "miss" on are guys that either weren't highly interested in UW from the very beginning or are looking to get paid. That's it. Guys like Flowe and Ransom weren't highly interested from the very beginning which is inevitable no matter how good the program is and a guy like Ringo is looking for money and we don't pay. We are NOT MISSING any West coast recruits because the coaches didn't put enough time in recruiting them. That is not something that is happening. Shut the fuck up.
And yeah, Texas is one of the most talented states in the country. We can find and sign Texas recruits who have NFL talent. We might not be able to beat Texas and A&M for guys but we can beat TCU and Houston and Baylor and Oklahoma State for guys who would have been NFL draft pick for them but become NFL draft picks for us.
Prove we didn't miss on guys because of recruiting Texas. You can't! Therefore it's true.
It's called proving a fucking negative.
Ballz fucking logic.
Whichever side of the argument you can’t prove the other is false
There isn't a single recruit out West that UW wanted and would have gotten had they not "wasted time" recruiting Texas. Not a single one. They clearly have enough time to recruit both the West region and Texas.
Every single recruit out West that UW wanted and missed on was because they are "making an investment" recruiting Texas. Every single one. They clearly do not have enough time to recruit both the West region and Texas.... Damn its fun to make both wrong, overly definitive, and impossible to prove/disprove statements... Now I get it.
If our hidden gems are coming from WA, CA, and TX that's fine with me. If you can create a bigger pool of hidden gems and select the top hidden gems from that larger pool of recruits, then the hidden gems you're getting have a better chance of panning out. For instance, there was no hidden gem offensive lineman on the West coast better than Victor Curne in his class. There is no hidden gem RB out West this class better than Jay'Veon Sunday. Those guys are upgrades over West coast guys we would have had to take had we not recruited Texas.
"hidden gems" is this NCAA 14 or something?
Filling out an opening or two in the bottom of the class with high ceiling/low cost recruit is fine. Its extremely difficult in a state like Texas because you either have to spend a lot of resources finding that overlooked "gem" that every other schools in the country somehow missed (because everyone looks at Texas) OR you have to recruit directly against a school with a massive recruiting advantage.
Name the exact recruits they have missed on because they recruited Texas. You can't, because it's retarded ass logic. At this point in our recruiting, the guys they "miss" on are guys that either weren't highly interested in UW from the very beginning or are looking to get paid. That's it. Guys like Flowe and Ransom weren't highly interested from the very beginning which is inevitable no matter how good the program is and a guy like Ringo is looking for money and we don't pay. We are NOT MISSING any West coast recruits because the coaches didn't put enough time in recruiting them. That is not something that is happening. Shut the fuck up.
And yeah, Texas is one of the most talented states in the country. We can find and sign Texas recruits who have NFL talent. We might not be able to beat Texas and A&M for guys but we can beat TCU and Houston and Baylor and Oklahoma State for guys who would have been NFL draft pick for them but become NFL draft picks for us.
Prove we didn't miss on guys because of recruiting Texas. You can't! Therefore it's true.
It's called proving a fucking negative.
Ballz fucking logic.
I already have. We've never heard from any West coast recruit that didn't come here that UW wasn't recruiting him hard. Our coaches recruit their top West coast targets hard as fuck. We can go down the list and the kid either wasn't interested, was interested but got cooled on by UW, or is looking to get paid. None of them would have committed here if UW wasn't recruiting Texas. That's fucking stupid.
Good thing we aren't discussing top targets or elite talent but 1-2 depth players.
Am I missing something? We have a shit load of West Coast elite talented committed to us right now and more to come. Were you expecting UW to get every single one of them before they have even won a fucking bowl game against a team with a pulse yet? Some people just like to bitch. We've got it pretty damn good right now.
Yes, you do seem to be missing the point. No one is arguing about top tier elite talent. We are arguing about spending a ton of resources on acquiring 1-2 depth players per year out of Texas when we could fairly easily pull that out of a state like California where we are already beginning to dominate recruiting.
And that's where you continue to be wrong. Show me a California 3-star RB you think is better than Sunday. Show me California 3-star ILB you think is better than McDonald. There aren't any. I like McDonald more than I like Bruener's scrawny ass. Our coaches feel like those two guys are better than the 3-star West coast options available to them and that's why they recruited them. If there were better options in California that wanted to come here they would have taken them.
Excluding guys like Bijan since we aren't talking top targets?
Guys who fall inside our geographic footprint who are higher rated than Sunday by 247. I don't have opinions on all of these guys because I don't remotely claim to watch this much tape.
Jalen John - Oregon Ikaika Ragsdale - Nevada Chris Street - California Jyden King - California Jojuan Collins - California Nathaniel Jones - California (Borderline top target) Darvon Hubbard - Arizona
Mind you, none of these guys have to even be "as good" as Sunday. Sunday has to be better enough to justify ALL of the resources spent in Texas recruiting guys.
None of those guys even got a fucking sniff from UW. You're literally just naming a bunch of fucking JAGs. What fucking resources moron? A couple extra hours flight time and that's it. That's nothing. WE WANT THE BEST FUCKING PLAYERS. I don't give a fuck how they get them or where they get them from or how many more hours of work the coaches need to put in to get them. Get the best players. That's it. Recruiting some JAG RB from California instead of Sunday would not have helped our recruiting efforts at other positions and you'd just be sacrificing one position for another. So fucking retarded.
Do you guys think having Ngalu and Heimuli in the boat are helpful in recruiting Troy Franklin? Being a national power will for sure help recruiting in Texas. But so will having successful guys from Texas on your team. I know six years in is pretty late to say LIPO, but I honestly think we're gonna start getting some highly-recruited guys out of Texas on the next few years. Just look at how many kids came up from Texas for the last camp.
I'm hoping he is third string behind Latu. I guess we will see.
We are extremely thin so Rice ius likely to get some run by default whether or not he is any good.
But yeah that would be awesome if Latu or even Zion passed him.
This is a fucking stupid ass take
The reason you recruit talented guys on your roster is because the best players end up playing. If Rice plays it’s not because he played by default but because he earned the reps
There isn't a single recruit out West that UW wanted and would have gotten had they not "wasted time" recruiting Texas. Not a single one. They clearly have enough time to recruit both the West region and Texas.
Every single recruit out West that UW wanted and missed on was because they are "making an investment" recruiting Texas. Every single one. They clearly do not have enough time to recruit both the West region and Texas.... Damn its fun to make both wrong, overly definitive, and impossible to prove/disprove statements... Now I get it.
If our hidden gems are coming from WA, CA, and TX that's fine with me. If you can create a bigger pool of hidden gems and select the top hidden gems from that larger pool of recruits, then the hidden gems you're getting have a better chance of panning out. For instance, there was no hidden gem offensive lineman on the West coast better than Victor Curne in his class. There is no hidden gem RB out West this class better than Jay'Veon Sunday. Those guys are upgrades over West coast guys we would have had to take had we not recruited Texas.
"hidden gems" is this NCAA 14 or something?
Filling out an opening or two in the bottom of the class with high ceiling/low cost recruit is fine. Its extremely difficult in a state like Texas because you either have to spend a lot of resources finding that overlooked "gem" that every other schools in the country somehow missed (because everyone looks at Texas) OR you have to recruit directly against a school with a massive recruiting advantage.
Name the exact recruits they have missed on because they recruited Texas. You can't, because it's retarded ass logic. At this point in our recruiting, the guys they "miss" on are guys that either weren't highly interested in UW from the very beginning or are looking to get paid. That's it. Guys like Flowe and Ransom weren't highly interested from the very beginning which is inevitable no matter how good the program is and a guy like Ringo is looking for money and we don't pay. We are NOT MISSING any West coast recruits because the coaches didn't put enough time in recruiting them. That is not something that is happening. Shut the fuck up.
And yeah, Texas is one of the most talented states in the country. We can find and sign Texas recruits who have NFL talent. We might not be able to beat Texas and A&M for guys but we can beat TCU and Houston and Baylor and Oklahoma State for guys who would have been NFL draft pick for them but become NFL draft picks for us.
Prove we didn't miss on guys because of recruiting Texas. You can't! Therefore it's true.
It's called proving a fucking negative.
Ballz fucking logic.
I already have. We've never heard from any West coast recruit that didn't come here that UW wasn't recruiting him hard. Our coaches recruit their top West coast targets hard as fuck. We can go down the list and the kid either wasn't interested, was interested but got cooled on by UW, or is looking to get paid. None of them would have committed here if UW wasn't recruiting Texas. That's fucking stupid.
Good thing we aren't discussing top targets or elite talent but 1-2 depth players.
Am I missing something? We have a shit load of West Coast elite talented committed to us right now and more to come. Were you expecting UW to get every single one of them before they have even won a fucking bowl game against a team with a pulse yet? Some people just like to bitch. We've got it pretty damn good right now.
Yes, you do seem to be missing the point. No one is arguing about top tier elite talent. We are arguing about spending a ton of resources on acquiring 1-2 depth players per year out of Texas when we could fairly easily pull that out of a state like California where we are already beginning to dominate recruiting.
And that's where you continue to be wrong. Show me a California 3-star RB you think is better than Sunday. Show me California 3-star ILB you think is better than McDonald. There aren't any. I like McDonald more than I like Bruener's scrawny ass. Our coaches feel like those two guys are better than the 3-star West coast options available to them and that's why they recruited them. If there were better options in California that wanted to come here they would have taken them.
Excluding guys like Bijan since we aren't talking top targets?
Guys who fall inside our geographic footprint who are higher rated than Sunday by 247. I don't have opinions on all of these guys because I don't remotely claim to watch this much tape.
Jalen John - Oregon Ikaika Ragsdale - Nevada Chris Street - California Jyden King - California Jojuan Collins - California Nathaniel Jones - California (Borderline top target) Darvon Hubbard - Arizona
Mind you, none of these guys have to even be "as good" as Sunday. Sunday has to be better enough to justify ALL of the resources spent in Texas recruiting guys.
None of those guys even got a fucking sniff from UW. You're literally just naming a bunch of fucking JAGs. What fucking resources moron? A couple extra hours flight time and that's it. That's nothing. WE WANT THE BEST FUCKING PLAYERS. I don't give a fuck how they get them or where they get them from or how many more hours of work the coaches need to put in to get them. Get the best players. That's it. Recruiting some JAG RB from California instead of Sunday would not have helped out recruiting efforts at other positions and you'd just be sacrificing one position for another. So fucking retarded.
No shit they are mostly jags dumbass, have you been following the conversation? We aren't getting top players out of Texas. It's called an apples to apples comparison. Of course I would rather have had Bona's lazy fucking ass bother to call Bijan back and get a top target but that's not what we are talking about.
Our hit rate in Texas is extremely low therefore, all other things being held constant, to get the one commit(Sunday) you had to miss on a lot of other recruits. All that extra effort is opportunity cost that has to be included when you factor in the value that Sunday brings.
JFC why am I arguing with Ballz? This is my own god damn fault for engaging.
There isn't a single recruit out West that UW wanted and would have gotten had they not "wasted time" recruiting Texas. Not a single one. They clearly have enough time to recruit both the West region and Texas.
Every single recruit out West that UW wanted and missed on was because they are "making an investment" recruiting Texas. Every single one. They clearly do not have enough time to recruit both the West region and Texas.... Damn its fun to make both wrong, overly definitive, and impossible to prove/disprove statements... Now I get it.
If our hidden gems are coming from WA, CA, and TX that's fine with me. If you can create a bigger pool of hidden gems and select the top hidden gems from that larger pool of recruits, then the hidden gems you're getting have a better chance of panning out. For instance, there was no hidden gem offensive lineman on the West coast better than Victor Curne in his class. There is no hidden gem RB out West this class better than Jay'Veon Sunday. Those guys are upgrades over West coast guys we would have had to take had we not recruited Texas.
"hidden gems" is this NCAA 14 or something?
Filling out an opening or two in the bottom of the class with high ceiling/low cost recruit is fine. Its extremely difficult in a state like Texas because you either have to spend a lot of resources finding that overlooked "gem" that every other schools in the country somehow missed (because everyone looks at Texas) OR you have to recruit directly against a school with a massive recruiting advantage.
Name the exact recruits they have missed on because they recruited Texas. You can't, because it's retarded ass logic. At this point in our recruiting, the guys they "miss" on are guys that either weren't highly interested in UW from the very beginning or are looking to get paid. That's it. Guys like Flowe and Ransom weren't highly interested from the very beginning which is inevitable no matter how good the program is and a guy like Ringo is looking for money and we don't pay. We are NOT MISSING any West coast recruits because the coaches didn't put enough time in recruiting them. That is not something that is happening. Shut the fuck up.
And yeah, Texas is one of the most talented states in the country. We can find and sign Texas recruits who have NFL talent. We might not be able to beat Texas and A&M for guys but we can beat TCU and Houston and Baylor and Oklahoma State for guys who would have been NFL draft pick for them but become NFL draft picks for us.
Prove we didn't miss on guys because of recruiting Texas. You can't! Therefore it's true.
It's called proving a fucking negative.
Ballz fucking logic.
I already have. We've never heard from any West coast recruit that didn't come here that UW wasn't recruiting him hard. Our coaches recruit their top West coast targets hard as fuck. We can go down the list and the kid either wasn't interested, was interested but got cooled on by UW, or is looking to get paid. None of them would have committed here if UW wasn't recruiting Texas. That's fucking stupid.
Good thing we aren't discussing top targets or elite talent but 1-2 depth players.
Am I missing something? We have a shit load of West Coast elite talented committed to us right now and more to come. Were you expecting UW to get every single one of them before they have even won a fucking bowl game against a team with a pulse yet? Some people just like to bitch. We've got it pretty damn good right now.
Yes, you do seem to be missing the point. No one is arguing about top tier elite talent. We are arguing about spending a ton of resources on acquiring 1-2 depth players per year out of Texas when we could fairly easily pull that out of a state like California where we are already beginning to dominate recruiting.
And that's where you continue to be wrong. Show me a California 3-star RB you think is better than Sunday. Show me California 3-star ILB you think is better than McDonald. There aren't any. I like McDonald more than I like Bruener's scrawny ass. Our coaches feel like those two guys are better than the 3-star West coast options available to them and that's why they recruited them. If there were better options in California that wanted to come here they would have taken them.
Excluding guys like Bijan since we aren't talking top targets?
Guys who fall inside our geographic footprint who are higher rated than Sunday by 247. I don't have opinions on all of these guys because I don't remotely claim to watch this much tape.
Jalen John - Oregon Ikaika Ragsdale - Nevada Chris Street - California Jyden King - California Jojuan Collins - California Nathaniel Jones - California (Borderline top target) Darvon Hubbard - Arizona
Mind you, none of these guys have to even be "as good" as Sunday. Sunday has to be better enough to justify ALL of the resources spent in Texas recruiting guys.
This is such a terrible take
Let’s not even talk about fits and what the staff is looking for ... not everybody is the same puzzle piece and skill set.
Moreover, relying on recruiting rankings is insanely FS
There isn't a single recruit out West that UW wanted and would have gotten had they not "wasted time" recruiting Texas. Not a single one. They clearly have enough time to recruit both the West region and Texas.
Every single recruit out West that UW wanted and missed on was because they are "making an investment" recruiting Texas. Every single one. They clearly do not have enough time to recruit both the West region and Texas.... Damn its fun to make both wrong, overly definitive, and impossible to prove/disprove statements... Now I get it.
If our hidden gems are coming from WA, CA, and TX that's fine with me. If you can create a bigger pool of hidden gems and select the top hidden gems from that larger pool of recruits, then the hidden gems you're getting have a better chance of panning out. For instance, there was no hidden gem offensive lineman on the West coast better than Victor Curne in his class. There is no hidden gem RB out West this class better than Jay'Veon Sunday. Those guys are upgrades over West coast guys we would have had to take had we not recruited Texas.
"hidden gems" is this NCAA 14 or something?
Filling out an opening or two in the bottom of the class with high ceiling/low cost recruit is fine. Its extremely difficult in a state like Texas because you either have to spend a lot of resources finding that overlooked "gem" that every other schools in the country somehow missed (because everyone looks at Texas) OR you have to recruit directly against a school with a massive recruiting advantage.
Name the exact recruits they have missed on because they recruited Texas. You can't, because it's retarded ass logic. At this point in our recruiting, the guys they "miss" on are guys that either weren't highly interested in UW from the very beginning or are looking to get paid. That's it. Guys like Flowe and Ransom weren't highly interested from the very beginning which is inevitable no matter how good the program is and a guy like Ringo is looking for money and we don't pay. We are NOT MISSING any West coast recruits because the coaches didn't put enough time in recruiting them. That is not something that is happening. Shut the fuck up.
And yeah, Texas is one of the most talented states in the country. We can find and sign Texas recruits who have NFL talent. We might not be able to beat Texas and A&M for guys but we can beat TCU and Houston and Baylor and Oklahoma State for guys who would have been NFL draft pick for them but become NFL draft picks for us.
Prove we didn't miss on guys because of recruiting Texas. You can't! Therefore it's true.
It's called proving a fucking negative.
Ballz fucking logic.
I already have. We've never heard from any West coast recruit that didn't come here that UW wasn't recruiting him hard. Our coaches recruit their top West coast targets hard as fuck. We can go down the list and the kid either wasn't interested, was interested but got cooled on by UW, or is looking to get paid. None of them would have committed here if UW wasn't recruiting Texas. That's fucking stupid.
Good thing we aren't discussing top targets or elite talent but 1-2 depth players.
Am I missing something? We have a shit load of West Coast elite talented committed to us right now and more to come. Were you expecting UW to get every single one of them before they have even won a fucking bowl game against a team with a pulse yet? Some people just like to bitch. We've got it pretty damn good right now.
Yes, you do seem to be missing the point. No one is arguing about top tier elite talent. We are arguing about spending a ton of resources on acquiring 1-2 depth players per year out of Texas when we could fairly easily pull that out of a state like California where we are already beginning to dominate recruiting.
And that's where you continue to be wrong. Show me a California 3-star RB you think is better than Sunday. Show me California 3-star ILB you think is better than McDonald. There aren't any. I like McDonald more than I like Bruener's scrawny ass. Our coaches feel like those two guys are better than the 3-star West coast options available to them and that's why they recruited them. If there were better options in California that wanted to come here they would have taken them.
The proper analysis is
Sunday minus extra time invested in Texas to find and recruit him vs Jalen John or whatever 3* west coast RB we could have had instead with minimal effort.
For me personally I wish we would have recruited Botelho, Herbig, and Bijan harder even if Bijan was a long shot.
Jalen John? Are you fucking kidding me? He sucks. Sunday is way better.
They recruited those guys as hard as they ever would have. Texas recruiting did not take effort away from recruiting those guys. All of them said UW was all over them. If our coaches didn't recruit Texas they would not put more time and effort into recruiting their West Coast targets. They would have more time to do non-recruiting related things or more time off to spend with their families. Texas recruiting does not affect West coast recruiting at all. They still visit and talk to the West coast kids as much as they would if they weren't recruiting Texas at all.
Haven't watched his tape just threw out a name. Obviously UW coaches who are good at scouting would likely find the best option. Your obsession over naming specific names is your aspergers showing.
Your idea of time is very interesting. You really think Bhonapha is putting in hundreds of extra hours per year in recruiting just because he loves Texas?
You also have this bizarrely strict reading of recruit interviews. You do realize that in this format a recruit is basically never going to say anything negative about a school, right? Yet Bijan still did at one point this spring say he wasn't hearing from UW even though we offered him over 2 years ago.
You don't think our coaches evaluated all of those California RB's and chose to offer Sunday over them? You're a fucking idiot. They leave no stone unturned in terms of West coast talent. It's not like they took Sunday just because he's from Texas. They think he's better than those CA guys and he is.
The question always comes down to what the cost is
The argument against recruiting Texas is that we can be doing better in California. But who in California are we really missing on?
I get all the arguments but the reality is that culture and fit matter a lot to this staff. Those that receive what we are about will gravitate towards us. Those that don’t wont.
Ultimately the key in Texas is gaining traction. Getting a player like Levi is huge. As the Texas players on our roster produce and get to the league our reputation will only further grow there.
Until there’s tangible evidence that our efforts in Texas are wasted, then it’s a worthwhile INVESTMENT for the program to make if they deem that they have the resources to devote to it
Justin Flowe, Elias Ricks, Clark Phillips, Kendall Milton, Jordan Banks...
You can put the time and effort into situations but that doesn’t mean it’s valuable time
Flower by all outward appearances wasn’t interested in us
Ricks is all about the SEC
Milton likewise thought the grass was greener elsewhere
Jordan Banks still is an outstanding item
This idea that you’re going to get everything you target is insanely flawed
Literally no one has said or implied that. JFC.
When names are applied in reference to suggesting more times should have been spent recruiting them, then it’s between implied or suggested that spending more time recruiting those players would have changed the outcome
Which goes to my point that just because you target something doesn’t mean you will get it
A named example isnt an indication that the outcome definitely would have been changed... Its an example that might possibly have been changed.
There isn't a single recruit out West that UW wanted and would have gotten had they not "wasted time" recruiting Texas. Not a single one. They clearly have enough time to recruit both the West region and Texas.
Every single recruit out West that UW wanted and missed on was because they are "making an investment" recruiting Texas. Every single one. They clearly do not have enough time to recruit both the West region and Texas.... Damn its fun to make both wrong, overly definitive, and impossible to prove/disprove statements... Now I get it.
If our hidden gems are coming from WA, CA, and TX that's fine with me. If you can create a bigger pool of hidden gems and select the top hidden gems from that larger pool of recruits, then the hidden gems you're getting have a better chance of panning out. For instance, there was no hidden gem offensive lineman on the West coast better than Victor Curne in his class. There is no hidden gem RB out West this class better than Jay'Veon Sunday. Those guys are upgrades over West coast guys we would have had to take had we not recruited Texas.
"hidden gems" is this NCAA 14 or something?
Filling out an opening or two in the bottom of the class with high ceiling/low cost recruit is fine. Its extremely difficult in a state like Texas because you either have to spend a lot of resources finding that overlooked "gem" that every other schools in the country somehow missed (because everyone looks at Texas) OR you have to recruit directly against a school with a massive recruiting advantage.
Name the exact recruits they have missed on because they recruited Texas. You can't, because it's retarded ass logic. At this point in our recruiting, the guys they "miss" on are guys that either weren't highly interested in UW from the very beginning or are looking to get paid. That's it. Guys like Flowe and Ransom weren't highly interested from the very beginning which is inevitable no matter how good the program is and a guy like Ringo is looking for money and we don't pay. We are NOT MISSING any West coast recruits because the coaches didn't put enough time in recruiting them. That is not something that is happening. Shut the fuck up.
And yeah, Texas is one of the most talented states in the country. We can find and sign Texas recruits who have NFL talent. We might not be able to beat Texas and A&M for guys but we can beat TCU and Houston and Baylor and Oklahoma State for guys who would have been NFL draft pick for them but become NFL draft picks for us.
Prove we didn't miss on guys because of recruiting Texas. You can't! Therefore it's true.
It's called proving a fucking negative.
Ballz fucking logic.
I already have. We've never heard from any West coast recruit that didn't come here that UW wasn't recruiting him hard. Our coaches recruit their top West coast targets hard as fuck. We can go down the list and the kid either wasn't interested, was interested but got cooled on by UW, or is looking to get paid. None of them would have committed here if UW wasn't recruiting Texas. That's fucking stupid.
Good thing we aren't discussing top targets or elite talent but 1-2 depth players.
Am I missing something? We have a shit load of West Coast elite talented committed to us right now and more to come. Were you expecting UW to get every single one of them before they have even won a fucking bowl game against a team with a pulse yet? Some people just like to bitch. We've got it pretty damn good right now.
Yes, you do seem to be missing the point. No one is arguing about top tier elite talent. We are arguing about spending a ton of resources on acquiring 1-2 depth players per year out of Texas when we could fairly easily pull that out of a state like California where we are already beginning to dominate recruiting.
And that's where you continue to be wrong. Show me a California 3-star RB you think is better than Sunday. Show me California 3-star ILB you think is better than McDonald. There aren't any. I like McDonald more than I like Bruener's scrawny ass. Our coaches feel like those two guys are better than the 3-star West coast options available to them and that's why they recruited them. If there were better options in California that wanted to come here they would have taken them.
Excluding guys like Bijan since we aren't talking top targets?
Guys who fall inside our geographic footprint who are higher rated than Sunday by 247. I don't have opinions on all of these guys because I don't remotely claim to watch this much tape.
Jalen John - Oregon Ikaika Ragsdale - Nevada Chris Street - California Jyden King - California Jojuan Collins - California Nathaniel Jones - California (Borderline top target) Darvon Hubbard - Arizona
Mind you, none of these guys have to even be "as good" as Sunday. Sunday has to be better enough to justify ALL of the resources spent in Texas recruiting guys.
None of those guys even got a fucking sniff from UW. You're literally just naming a bunch of fucking JAGs. What fucking resources moron? A couple extra hours flight time and that's it. That's nothing. WE WANT THE BEST FUCKING PLAYERS. I don't give a fuck how they get them or where they get them from or how many more hours of work the coaches need to put in to get them. Get the best players. That's it. Recruiting some JAG RB from California instead of Sunday would not have helped our recruiting efforts at other positions and you'd just be sacrificing one position for another. So fucking retarded.
In a single week we sent 6 coaches to various parts of Texas for a total of 11 days.
There isn't a single recruit out West that UW wanted and would have gotten had they not "wasted time" recruiting Texas. Not a single one. They clearly have enough time to recruit both the West region and Texas.
Every single recruit out West that UW wanted and missed on was because they are "making an investment" recruiting Texas. Every single one. They clearly do not have enough time to recruit both the West region and Texas.... Damn its fun to make both wrong, overly definitive, and impossible to prove/disprove statements... Now I get it.
If our hidden gems are coming from WA, CA, and TX that's fine with me. If you can create a bigger pool of hidden gems and select the top hidden gems from that larger pool of recruits, then the hidden gems you're getting have a better chance of panning out. For instance, there was no hidden gem offensive lineman on the West coast better than Victor Curne in his class. There is no hidden gem RB out West this class better than Jay'Veon Sunday. Those guys are upgrades over West coast guys we would have had to take had we not recruited Texas.
"hidden gems" is this NCAA 14 or something?
Filling out an opening or two in the bottom of the class with high ceiling/low cost recruit is fine. Its extremely difficult in a state like Texas because you either have to spend a lot of resources finding that overlooked "gem" that every other schools in the country somehow missed (because everyone looks at Texas) OR you have to recruit directly against a school with a massive recruiting advantage.
Name the exact recruits they have missed on because they recruited Texas. You can't, because it's retarded ass logic. At this point in our recruiting, the guys they "miss" on are guys that either weren't highly interested in UW from the very beginning or are looking to get paid. That's it. Guys like Flowe and Ransom weren't highly interested from the very beginning which is inevitable no matter how good the program is and a guy like Ringo is looking for money and we don't pay. We are NOT MISSING any West coast recruits because the coaches didn't put enough time in recruiting them. That is not something that is happening. Shut the fuck up.
And yeah, Texas is one of the most talented states in the country. We can find and sign Texas recruits who have NFL talent. We might not be able to beat Texas and A&M for guys but we can beat TCU and Houston and Baylor and Oklahoma State for guys who would have been NFL draft pick for them but become NFL draft picks for us.
Prove we didn't miss on guys because of recruiting Texas. You can't! Therefore it's true.
It's called proving a fucking negative.
Ballz fucking logic.
I already have. We've never heard from any West coast recruit that didn't come here that UW wasn't recruiting him hard. Our coaches recruit their top West coast targets hard as fuck. We can go down the list and the kid either wasn't interested, was interested but got cooled on by UW, or is looking to get paid. None of them would have committed here if UW wasn't recruiting Texas. That's fucking stupid.
Good thing we aren't discussing top targets or elite talent but 1-2 depth players.
Am I missing something? We have a shit load of West Coast elite talented committed to us right now and more to come. Were you expecting UW to get every single one of them before they have even won a fucking bowl game against a team with a pulse yet? Some people just like to bitch. We've got it pretty damn good right now.
Yes, you do seem to be missing the point. No one is arguing about top tier elite talent. We are arguing about spending a ton of resources on acquiring 1-2 depth players per year out of Texas when we could fairly easily pull that out of a state like California where we are already beginning to dominate recruiting.
And that's where you continue to be wrong. Show me a California 3-star RB you think is better than Sunday. Show me California 3-star ILB you think is better than McDonald. There aren't any. I like McDonald more than I like Bruener's scrawny ass. Our coaches feel like those two guys are better than the 3-star West coast options available to them and that's why they recruited them. If there were better options in California that wanted to come here they would have taken them.
Excluding guys like Bijan since we aren't talking top targets?
Guys who fall inside our geographic footprint who are higher rated than Sunday by 247. I don't have opinions on all of these guys because I don't remotely claim to watch this much tape.
Jalen John - Oregon Ikaika Ragsdale - Nevada Chris Street - California Jyden King - California Jojuan Collins - California Nathaniel Jones - California (Borderline top target) Darvon Hubbard - Arizona
Mind you, none of these guys have to even be "as good" as Sunday. Sunday has to be better enough to justify ALL of the resources spent in Texas recruiting guys.
None of those guys even got a fucking sniff from UW. You're literally just naming a bunch of fucking JAGs. What fucking resources moron? A couple extra hours flight time and that's it. That's nothing. WE WANT THE BEST FUCKING PLAYERS. I don't give a fuck how they get them or where they get them from or how many more hours of work the coaches need to put in to get them. Get the best players. That's it. Recruiting some JAG RB from California instead of Sunday would not have helped out recruiting efforts at other positions and you'd just be sacrificing one position for another. So fucking retarded.
No shit they are mostly jags dumbass, have you been following the conversation? We aren't getting top players out of Texas. It's called an apples to apples comparison. Of course I would rather have had Bona's lazy fucking ass bother to call Bijan back and get a top target but that's not what we are talking about.
Our hit rate in Texas is extremely low therefore, all other things being held constant, to get the one commit(Sunday) you had to miss on a lot of other recruits. All that extra effort is opportunity cost that has to be included when you factor in the value that Sunday brings.
JFC why am I arguing with Ballz? This is my own god damn fault for engaging.
Sunday was offerred very early and recruited as a top target since the beginning of this cycle. It's not that much extra effort. Yeah, they offer a lot of Texas kids but only zero their effort on the ones that are seriously interested which is only a few. If those few Texas guys are better than the available West coast options at their positions then we should happily take them.
And like I said, Texas recruiting does not take time away from West Coast recruiting. They do it in addition to the time they would put into West Coast recruiting regardless. Texas recruiting is the staff working overtime.
There isn't a single recruit out West that UW wanted and would have gotten had they not "wasted time" recruiting Texas. Not a single one. They clearly have enough time to recruit both the West region and Texas.
Every single recruit out West that UW wanted and missed on was because they are "making an investment" recruiting Texas. Every single one. They clearly do not have enough time to recruit both the West region and Texas.... Damn its fun to make both wrong, overly definitive, and impossible to prove/disprove statements... Now I get it.
If our hidden gems are coming from WA, CA, and TX that's fine with me. If you can create a bigger pool of hidden gems and select the top hidden gems from that larger pool of recruits, then the hidden gems you're getting have a better chance of panning out. For instance, there was no hidden gem offensive lineman on the West coast better than Victor Curne in his class. There is no hidden gem RB out West this class better than Jay'Veon Sunday. Those guys are upgrades over West coast guys we would have had to take had we not recruited Texas.
"hidden gems" is this NCAA 14 or something?
Filling out an opening or two in the bottom of the class with high ceiling/low cost recruit is fine. Its extremely difficult in a state like Texas because you either have to spend a lot of resources finding that overlooked "gem" that every other schools in the country somehow missed (because everyone looks at Texas) OR you have to recruit directly against a school with a massive recruiting advantage.
Name the exact recruits they have missed on because they recruited Texas. You can't, because it's retarded ass logic. At this point in our recruiting, the guys they "miss" on are guys that either weren't highly interested in UW from the very beginning or are looking to get paid. That's it. Guys like Flowe and Ransom weren't highly interested from the very beginning which is inevitable no matter how good the program is and a guy like Ringo is looking for money and we don't pay. We are NOT MISSING any West coast recruits because the coaches didn't put enough time in recruiting them. That is not something that is happening. Shut the fuck up.
And yeah, Texas is one of the most talented states in the country. We can find and sign Texas recruits who have NFL talent. We might not be able to beat Texas and A&M for guys but we can beat TCU and Houston and Baylor and Oklahoma State for guys who would have been NFL draft pick for them but become NFL draft picks for us.
Prove we didn't miss on guys because of recruiting Texas. You can't! Therefore it's true.
It's called proving a fucking negative.
Ballz fucking logic.
I already have. We've never heard from any West coast recruit that didn't come here that UW wasn't recruiting him hard. Our coaches recruit their top West coast targets hard as fuck. We can go down the list and the kid either wasn't interested, was interested but got cooled on by UW, or is looking to get paid. None of them would have committed here if UW wasn't recruiting Texas. That's fucking stupid.
Good thing we aren't discussing top targets or elite talent but 1-2 depth players.
Am I missing something? We have a shit load of West Coast elite talented committed to us right now and more to come. Were you expecting UW to get every single one of them before they have even won a fucking bowl game against a team with a pulse yet? Some people just like to bitch. We've got it pretty damn good right now.
Yes, you do seem to be missing the point. No one is arguing about top tier elite talent. We are arguing about spending a ton of resources on acquiring 1-2 depth players per year out of Texas when we could fairly easily pull that out of a state like California where we are already beginning to dominate recruiting.
And that's where you continue to be wrong. Show me a California 3-star RB you think is better than Sunday. Show me California 3-star ILB you think is better than McDonald. There aren't any. I like McDonald more than I like Bruener's scrawny ass. Our coaches feel like those two guys are better than the 3-star West coast options available to them and that's why they recruited them. If there were better options in California that wanted to come here they would have taken them.
Excluding guys like Bijan since we aren't talking top targets?
Guys who fall inside our geographic footprint who are higher rated than Sunday by 247. I don't have opinions on all of these guys because I don't remotely claim to watch this much tape.
Jalen John - Oregon Ikaika Ragsdale - Nevada Chris Street - California Jyden King - California Jojuan Collins - California Nathaniel Jones - California (Borderline top target) Darvon Hubbard - Arizona
Mind you, none of these guys have to even be "as good" as Sunday. Sunday has to be better enough to justify ALL of the resources spent in Texas recruiting guys.
None of those guys even got a fucking sniff from UW. You're literally just naming a bunch of fucking JAGs. What fucking resources moron? A couple extra hours flight time and that's it. That's nothing. WE WANT THE BEST FUCKING PLAYERS. I don't give a fuck how they get them or where they get them from or how many more hours of work the coaches need to put in to get them. Get the best players. That's it. Recruiting some JAG RB from California instead of Sunday would not have helped our recruiting efforts at other positions and you'd just be sacrificing one position for another. So fucking retarded.
In a single week we sent 6 coaches to various parts of Texas for a total of 11 days.
If you cant see that if we hadnt sent those 6 coaches to Texas for two weeks they would have just stayed home and played with their Wives and kids while doing absolutely no work than @StrongArmCobra fucking stupid cant help you
There isn't a single recruit out West that UW wanted and would have gotten had they not "wasted time" recruiting Texas. Not a single one. They clearly have enough time to recruit both the West region and Texas.
Every single recruit out West that UW wanted and missed on was because they are "making an investment" recruiting Texas. Every single one. They clearly do not have enough time to recruit both the West region and Texas.... Damn its fun to make both wrong, overly definitive, and impossible to prove/disprove statements... Now I get it.
If our hidden gems are coming from WA, CA, and TX that's fine with me. If you can create a bigger pool of hidden gems and select the top hidden gems from that larger pool of recruits, then the hidden gems you're getting have a better chance of panning out. For instance, there was no hidden gem offensive lineman on the West coast better than Victor Curne in his class. There is no hidden gem RB out West this class better than Jay'Veon Sunday. Those guys are upgrades over West coast guys we would have had to take had we not recruited Texas.
"hidden gems" is this NCAA 14 or something?
Filling out an opening or two in the bottom of the class with high ceiling/low cost recruit is fine. Its extremely difficult in a state like Texas because you either have to spend a lot of resources finding that overlooked "gem" that every other schools in the country somehow missed (because everyone looks at Texas) OR you have to recruit directly against a school with a massive recruiting advantage.
Name the exact recruits they have missed on because they recruited Texas. You can't, because it's retarded ass logic. At this point in our recruiting, the guys they "miss" on are guys that either weren't highly interested in UW from the very beginning or are looking to get paid. That's it. Guys like Flowe and Ransom weren't highly interested from the very beginning which is inevitable no matter how good the program is and a guy like Ringo is looking for money and we don't pay. We are NOT MISSING any West coast recruits because the coaches didn't put enough time in recruiting them. That is not something that is happening. Shut the fuck up.
And yeah, Texas is one of the most talented states in the country. We can find and sign Texas recruits who have NFL talent. We might not be able to beat Texas and A&M for guys but we can beat TCU and Houston and Baylor and Oklahoma State for guys who would have been NFL draft pick for them but become NFL draft picks for us.
Prove we didn't miss on guys because of recruiting Texas. You can't! Therefore it's true.
It's called proving a fucking negative.
Ballz fucking logic.
I already have. We've never heard from any West coast recruit that didn't come here that UW wasn't recruiting him hard. Our coaches recruit their top West coast targets hard as fuck. We can go down the list and the kid either wasn't interested, was interested but got cooled on by UW, or is looking to get paid. None of them would have committed here if UW wasn't recruiting Texas. That's fucking stupid.
Good thing we aren't discussing top targets or elite talent but 1-2 depth players.
Am I missing something? We have a shit load of West Coast elite talented committed to us right now and more to come. Were you expecting UW to get every single one of them before they have even won a fucking bowl game against a team with a pulse yet? Some people just like to bitch. We've got it pretty damn good right now.
Yes, you do seem to be missing the point. No one is arguing about top tier elite talent. We are arguing about spending a ton of resources on acquiring 1-2 depth players per year out of Texas when we could fairly easily pull that out of a state like California where we are already beginning to dominate recruiting.
And that's where you continue to be wrong. Show me a California 3-star RB you think is better than Sunday. Show me California 3-star ILB you think is better than McDonald. There aren't any. I like McDonald more than I like Bruener's scrawny ass. Our coaches feel like those two guys are better than the 3-star West coast options available to them and that's why they recruited them. If there were better options in California that wanted to come here they would have taken them.
Excluding guys like Bijan since we aren't talking top targets?
Guys who fall inside our geographic footprint who are higher rated than Sunday by 247. I don't have opinions on all of these guys because I don't remotely claim to watch this much tape.
Jalen John - Oregon Ikaika Ragsdale - Nevada Chris Street - California Jyden King - California Jojuan Collins - California Nathaniel Jones - California (Borderline top target) Darvon Hubbard - Arizona
Mind you, none of these guys have to even be "as good" as Sunday. Sunday has to be better enough to justify ALL of the resources spent in Texas recruiting guys.
This is such a terrible take
Let’s not even talk about fits and what the staff is looking for ... not everybody is the same puzzle piece and skill set.
Moreover, relying on recruiting rankings is insanely FS
Except again, Sunday has to be such a better fit and recruit to justify all the misses in Texas as well. Is he that much better than all those recruits?
Is the time spent in Texas completely negligible and couldn't be replaced with chasing top targets in our footprint? Bijan?
You'd think a TCU MBA would understand what opportunity cost is.
There isn't a single recruit out West that UW wanted and would have gotten had they not "wasted time" recruiting Texas. Not a single one. They clearly have enough time to recruit both the West region and Texas.
Every single recruit out West that UW wanted and missed on was because they are "making an investment" recruiting Texas. Every single one. They clearly do not have enough time to recruit both the West region and Texas.... Damn its fun to make both wrong, overly definitive, and impossible to prove/disprove statements... Now I get it.
If our hidden gems are coming from WA, CA, and TX that's fine with me. If you can create a bigger pool of hidden gems and select the top hidden gems from that larger pool of recruits, then the hidden gems you're getting have a better chance of panning out. For instance, there was no hidden gem offensive lineman on the West coast better than Victor Curne in his class. There is no hidden gem RB out West this class better than Jay'Veon Sunday. Those guys are upgrades over West coast guys we would have had to take had we not recruited Texas.
"hidden gems" is this NCAA 14 or something?
Filling out an opening or two in the bottom of the class with high ceiling/low cost recruit is fine. Its extremely difficult in a state like Texas because you either have to spend a lot of resources finding that overlooked "gem" that every other schools in the country somehow missed (because everyone looks at Texas) OR you have to recruit directly against a school with a massive recruiting advantage.
Name the exact recruits they have missed on because they recruited Texas. You can't, because it's retarded ass logic. At this point in our recruiting, the guys they "miss" on are guys that either weren't highly interested in UW from the very beginning or are looking to get paid. That's it. Guys like Flowe and Ransom weren't highly interested from the very beginning which is inevitable no matter how good the program is and a guy like Ringo is looking for money and we don't pay. We are NOT MISSING any West coast recruits because the coaches didn't put enough time in recruiting them. That is not something that is happening. Shut the fuck up.
And yeah, Texas is one of the most talented states in the country. We can find and sign Texas recruits who have NFL talent. We might not be able to beat Texas and A&M for guys but we can beat TCU and Houston and Baylor and Oklahoma State for guys who would have been NFL draft pick for them but become NFL draft picks for us.
Prove we didn't miss on guys because of recruiting Texas. You can't! Therefore it's true.
It's called proving a fucking negative.
Ballz fucking logic.
I already have. We've never heard from any West coast recruit that didn't come here that UW wasn't recruiting him hard. Our coaches recruit their top West coast targets hard as fuck. We can go down the list and the kid either wasn't interested, was interested but got cooled on by UW, or is looking to get paid. None of them would have committed here if UW wasn't recruiting Texas. That's fucking stupid.
Good thing we aren't discussing top targets or elite talent but 1-2 depth players.
Am I missing something? We have a shit load of West Coast elite talented committed to us right now and more to come. Were you expecting UW to get every single one of them before they have even won a fucking bowl game against a team with a pulse yet? Some people just like to bitch. We've got it pretty damn good right now.
Yes, you do seem to be missing the point. No one is arguing about top tier elite talent. We are arguing about spending a ton of resources on acquiring 1-2 depth players per year out of Texas when we could fairly easily pull that out of a state like California where we are already beginning to dominate recruiting.
And that's where you continue to be wrong. Show me a California 3-star RB you think is better than Sunday. Show me California 3-star ILB you think is better than McDonald. There aren't any. I like McDonald more than I like Bruener's scrawny ass. Our coaches feel like those two guys are better than the 3-star West coast options available to them and that's why they recruited them. If there were better options in California that wanted to come here they would have taken them.
Excluding guys like Bijan since we aren't talking top targets?
Guys who fall inside our geographic footprint who are higher rated than Sunday by 247. I don't have opinions on all of these guys because I don't remotely claim to watch this much tape.
Jalen John - Oregon Ikaika Ragsdale - Nevada Chris Street - California Jyden King - California Jojuan Collins - California Nathaniel Jones - California (Borderline top target) Darvon Hubbard - Arizona
Mind you, none of these guys have to even be "as good" as Sunday. Sunday has to be better enough to justify ALL of the resources spent in Texas recruiting guys.
None of those guys even got a fucking sniff from UW. You're literally just naming a bunch of fucking JAGs. What fucking resources moron? A couple extra hours flight time and that's it. That's nothing. WE WANT THE BEST FUCKING PLAYERS. I don't give a fuck how they get them or where they get them from or how many more hours of work the coaches need to put in to get them. Get the best players. That's it. Recruiting some JAG RB from California instead of Sunday would not have helped our recruiting efforts at other positions and you'd just be sacrificing one position for another. So fucking retarded.
In a single week we sent 6 coaches to various parts of Texas for a total of 11 days.
AND all of our top West coast targets were visited. Zero West coast targets were not visited because some of our coaches went to Texas. Obviously Petersen is not stupid. He's not sacrificing West coast recruiting for Texas recruiting. He knows where his bread is buttered. As long as our West coast targets are being visited by our coaches as much as possible it doesn't fucking matter. Texas has good football players and they're worth the effort. We also don't offer that many kids anyways so our coaches are still able to put in more time recruiting any individual recruit from any region in comparison to schools that offer way more recruits.
There isn't a single recruit out West that UW wanted and would have gotten had they not "wasted time" recruiting Texas. Not a single one. They clearly have enough time to recruit both the West region and Texas.
Every single recruit out West that UW wanted and missed on was because they are "making an investment" recruiting Texas. Every single one. They clearly do not have enough time to recruit both the West region and Texas.... Damn its fun to make both wrong, overly definitive, and impossible to prove/disprove statements... Now I get it.
If our hidden gems are coming from WA, CA, and TX that's fine with me. If you can create a bigger pool of hidden gems and select the top hidden gems from that larger pool of recruits, then the hidden gems you're getting have a better chance of panning out. For instance, there was no hidden gem offensive lineman on the West coast better than Victor Curne in his class. There is no hidden gem RB out West this class better than Jay'Veon Sunday. Those guys are upgrades over West coast guys we would have had to take had we not recruited Texas.
"hidden gems" is this NCAA 14 or something?
Filling out an opening or two in the bottom of the class with high ceiling/low cost recruit is fine. Its extremely difficult in a state like Texas because you either have to spend a lot of resources finding that overlooked "gem" that every other schools in the country somehow missed (because everyone looks at Texas) OR you have to recruit directly against a school with a massive recruiting advantage.
Name the exact recruits they have missed on because they recruited Texas. You can't, because it's retarded ass logic. At this point in our recruiting, the guys they "miss" on are guys that either weren't highly interested in UW from the very beginning or are looking to get paid. That's it. Guys like Flowe and Ransom weren't highly interested from the very beginning which is inevitable no matter how good the program is and a guy like Ringo is looking for money and we don't pay. We are NOT MISSING any West coast recruits because the coaches didn't put enough time in recruiting them. That is not something that is happening. Shut the fuck up.
And yeah, Texas is one of the most talented states in the country. We can find and sign Texas recruits who have NFL talent. We might not be able to beat Texas and A&M for guys but we can beat TCU and Houston and Baylor and Oklahoma State for guys who would have been NFL draft pick for them but become NFL draft picks for us.
Prove we didn't miss on guys because of recruiting Texas. You can't! Therefore it's true.
It's called proving a fucking negative.
Ballz fucking logic.
I already have. We've never heard from any West coast recruit that didn't come here that UW wasn't recruiting him hard. Our coaches recruit their top West coast targets hard as fuck. We can go down the list and the kid either wasn't interested, was interested but got cooled on by UW, or is looking to get paid. None of them would have committed here if UW wasn't recruiting Texas. That's fucking stupid.
Good thing we aren't discussing top targets or elite talent but 1-2 depth players.
Am I missing something? We have a shit load of West Coast elite talented committed to us right now and more to come. Were you expecting UW to get every single one of them before they have even won a fucking bowl game against a team with a pulse yet? Some people just like to bitch. We've got it pretty damn good right now.
Yes, you do seem to be missing the point. No one is arguing about top tier elite talent. We are arguing about spending a ton of resources on acquiring 1-2 depth players per year out of Texas when we could fairly easily pull that out of a state like California where we are already beginning to dominate recruiting.
And that's where you continue to be wrong. Show me a California 3-star RB you think is better than Sunday. Show me California 3-star ILB you think is better than McDonald. There aren't any. I like McDonald more than I like Bruener's scrawny ass. Our coaches feel like those two guys are better than the 3-star West coast options available to them and that's why they recruited them. If there were better options in California that wanted to come here they would have taken them.
Excluding guys like Bijan since we aren't talking top targets?
Guys who fall inside our geographic footprint who are higher rated than Sunday by 247. I don't have opinions on all of these guys because I don't remotely claim to watch this much tape.
Jalen John - Oregon Ikaika Ragsdale - Nevada Chris Street - California Jyden King - California Jojuan Collins - California Nathaniel Jones - California (Borderline top target) Darvon Hubbard - Arizona
Mind you, none of these guys have to even be "as good" as Sunday. Sunday has to be better enough to justify ALL of the resources spent in Texas recruiting guys.
None of those guys even got a fucking sniff from UW. You're literally just naming a bunch of fucking JAGs. What fucking resources moron? A couple extra hours flight time and that's it. That's nothing. WE WANT THE BEST FUCKING PLAYERS. I don't give a fuck how they get them or where they get them from or how many more hours of work the coaches need to put in to get them. Get the best players. That's it. Recruiting some JAG RB from California instead of Sunday would not have helped our recruiting efforts at other positions and you'd just be sacrificing one position for another. So fucking retarded.
In a single week we sent 6 coaches to various parts of Texas for a total of 11 days.
AND all of our top West coast targets were visited. Zero West coast targets were not visited because some of our coaches went to Texas. Obviously Petersen is not stupid. He's not sacrificing West coast recruiting for Texas recruiting. He knows where his bread is buttered.
Ah, I get it now, so the coaches have all of this extra time that they don't know what to do with other than to go recruit Texas.
There isn't a single recruit out West that UW wanted and would have gotten had they not "wasted time" recruiting Texas. Not a single one. They clearly have enough time to recruit both the West region and Texas.
Every single recruit out West that UW wanted and missed on was because they are "making an investment" recruiting Texas. Every single one. They clearly do not have enough time to recruit both the West region and Texas.... Damn its fun to make both wrong, overly definitive, and impossible to prove/disprove statements... Now I get it.
If our hidden gems are coming from WA, CA, and TX that's fine with me. If you can create a bigger pool of hidden gems and select the top hidden gems from that larger pool of recruits, then the hidden gems you're getting have a better chance of panning out. For instance, there was no hidden gem offensive lineman on the West coast better than Victor Curne in his class. There is no hidden gem RB out West this class better than Jay'Veon Sunday. Those guys are upgrades over West coast guys we would have had to take had we not recruited Texas.
"hidden gems" is this NCAA 14 or something?
Filling out an opening or two in the bottom of the class with high ceiling/low cost recruit is fine. Its extremely difficult in a state like Texas because you either have to spend a lot of resources finding that overlooked "gem" that every other schools in the country somehow missed (because everyone looks at Texas) OR you have to recruit directly against a school with a massive recruiting advantage.
Name the exact recruits they have missed on because they recruited Texas. You can't, because it's retarded ass logic. At this point in our recruiting, the guys they "miss" on are guys that either weren't highly interested in UW from the very beginning or are looking to get paid. That's it. Guys like Flowe and Ransom weren't highly interested from the very beginning which is inevitable no matter how good the program is and a guy like Ringo is looking for money and we don't pay. We are NOT MISSING any West coast recruits because the coaches didn't put enough time in recruiting them. That is not something that is happening. Shut the fuck up.
And yeah, Texas is one of the most talented states in the country. We can find and sign Texas recruits who have NFL talent. We might not be able to beat Texas and A&M for guys but we can beat TCU and Houston and Baylor and Oklahoma State for guys who would have been NFL draft pick for them but become NFL draft picks for us.
Prove we didn't miss on guys because of recruiting Texas. You can't! Therefore it's true.
It's called proving a fucking negative.
Ballz fucking logic.
I already have. We've never heard from any West coast recruit that didn't come here that UW wasn't recruiting him hard. Our coaches recruit their top West coast targets hard as fuck. We can go down the list and the kid either wasn't interested, was interested but got cooled on by UW, or is looking to get paid. None of them would have committed here if UW wasn't recruiting Texas. That's fucking stupid.
Good thing we aren't discussing top targets or elite talent but 1-2 depth players.
Am I missing something? We have a shit load of West Coast elite talented committed to us right now and more to come. Were you expecting UW to get every single one of them before they have even won a fucking bowl game against a team with a pulse yet? Some people just like to bitch. We've got it pretty damn good right now.
Yes, you do seem to be missing the point. No one is arguing about top tier elite talent. We are arguing about spending a ton of resources on acquiring 1-2 depth players per year out of Texas when we could fairly easily pull that out of a state like California where we are already beginning to dominate recruiting.
And that's where you continue to be wrong. Show me a California 3-star RB you think is better than Sunday. Show me California 3-star ILB you think is better than McDonald. There aren't any. I like McDonald more than I like Bruener's scrawny ass. Our coaches feel like those two guys are better than the 3-star West coast options available to them and that's why they recruited them. If there were better options in California that wanted to come here they would have taken them.
Excluding guys like Bijan since we aren't talking top targets?
Guys who fall inside our geographic footprint who are higher rated than Sunday by 247. I don't have opinions on all of these guys because I don't remotely claim to watch this much tape.
Jalen John - Oregon Ikaika Ragsdale - Nevada Chris Street - California Jyden King - California Jojuan Collins - California Nathaniel Jones - California (Borderline top target) Darvon Hubbard - Arizona
Mind you, none of these guys have to even be "as good" as Sunday. Sunday has to be better enough to justify ALL of the resources spent in Texas recruiting guys.
None of those guys even got a fucking sniff from UW. You're literally just naming a bunch of fucking JAGs. What fucking resources moron? A couple extra hours flight time and that's it. That's nothing. WE WANT THE BEST FUCKING PLAYERS. I don't give a fuck how they get them or where they get them from or how many more hours of work the coaches need to put in to get them. Get the best players. That's it. Recruiting some JAG RB from California instead of Sunday would not have helped our recruiting efforts at other positions and you'd just be sacrificing one position for another. So fucking retarded.
In a single week we sent 6 coaches to various parts of Texas for a total of 11 days.
If you cant see that if we hadnt sent those 6 coaches to Texas for two weeks they would have just stayed home and played with their Wives and kids while doing absolutely no work than @StrongArmCobra fucking stupid cant help you
They would have joined other coaches to visit the same West coast targets which is overkill. Harris would have accompanied Lake to visit the same kids. Kwat would have accompanied Gregory. That's a waste of time when they could be out recruiting more kids in Texas.
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Guys who fall inside our geographic footprint who are higher rated than Sunday by 247. I don't have opinions on all of these guys because I don't remotely claim to watch this much tape.
Jalen John - Oregon
Ikaika Ragsdale - Nevada
Chris Street - California
Jyden King - California
Jojuan Collins - California
Nathaniel Jones - California
(Borderline top target) Darvon Hubbard - Arizona
Mind you, none of these guys have to even be "as good" as Sunday. Sunday has to be better enough to justify ALL of the resources spent in Texas recruiting guys.
Which goes to my point that just because you target something doesn’t mean you will get it
Your idea of time is very interesting. You really think Bhonapha is putting in hundreds of extra hours per year in recruiting just because he loves Texas?
You also have this bizarrely strict reading of recruit interviews. You do realize that in this format a recruit is basically never going to say anything negative about a school, right? Yet Bijan still did at one point this spring say he wasn't hearing from UW even though we offered him over 2 years ago.
The reason you recruit talented guys on your roster is because the best players end up playing. If Rice plays it’s not because he played by default but because he earned the reps
Our hit rate in Texas is extremely low therefore, all other things being held constant, to get the one commit(Sunday) you had to miss on a lot of other recruits. All that extra effort is opportunity cost that has to be included when you factor in the value that Sunday brings.
JFC why am I arguing with Ballz? This is my own god damn fault for engaging.
Let’s not even talk about fits and what the staff is looking for ... not everybody is the same puzzle piece and skill set.
Moreover, relying on recruiting rankings is insanely FS
JFC this is SAC level of retard...
"A couple extra hours."
And like I said, Texas recruiting does not take time away from West Coast recruiting. They do it in addition to the time they would put into West Coast recruiting regardless. Texas recruiting is the staff working overtime.
Is the time spent in Texas completely negligible and couldn't be replaced with chasing top targets in our footprint? Bijan?
You'd think a TCU MBA would understand what opportunity cost is.