Texas Recruiting - WAM Appetizer
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as UW continues to level up it may be more value with less risk for UW to schedule kick ass non-conference games because if they're any good they'll definitely all be on national tv.TTJ said:
This is a sensible question. Everyone is guessing at the answer.whlinder said:If there is benefit to adding a bit of Texas HS football culture to our locker room then it makes more sense to me.
Otherwise I am struggling to see not going all in on California while USC/UCLA are down.
This is the real issue. If you think it’s tough keeping top West Coast kids in the P12, try moving outside the footprint, where you can’t even seen most P12 games on TV, except for the handful that start at 9:00 p.m. CT or later.Tequilla said:West Coast participation is potentially declining and on top of that there’s a P12 perception issue
The cord-cutting trend will only worsen UW’s TV disadvantage nationally. Until the P12 shitcans Larry Scott and unfucks its ludicrous TV/streaming contracts, the only Texan players available to UW will continue to be guys the bluebloods don’t want. Which just isn’t a sound strategy for enhancing your Blue Chip Ratio and positioning yourself to win a National Championship.
the only lack of exposure we are risking now that Pete's leveled up the recruiting and team size/skill is the current shit non-conf games like EWU, Hawaii, etc and the shit games that even we hardcore fans can barely handle (Oregon State or bottom feeding Pac12 teams in a given year). -
This goes back a ways. Look at 2000 and imagine the SEC having three teams like Oregon OSU and UW were that year.
None of them were great because we saw them up close but that's true with almost any team. All of them beat major opponents and won big bowls yet didn't sniff the national title game because the perception was Miami and FSU were just better. Probably were but we? beat Miami
The SEC does that and they build statues
Our perception sucks. Still
Tough for anyone not named USC to overcome that in a year or so. Oregon was getting there then poof -
No one is arguing about maximizing the number of recruits, it's about where your time is best spent closing highly rated recruits. We have a much higher closing rate in the West than we do in Texas, so every minute spent in Texas is detrimental to recruiting in California.Tequilla said:Let’s be clear on opportunity cost ...
It’s applicable when I have a finite amount of resources (usually in the form of $$$) and I’m making decisions on how to maximize bang for my buck (usually customers)
The limiting agent in CFB recruiting is amount of time on the road recruiting. Coaches have to be smart at where they travel, who they visit, and most importantly and not really talked about here are the HS programs/coaches they want to build pipelines with.
The flaw in how most of you are talking about opportunity cost is that the recruiting game isn’t about maximizing customers (recruits). The recruiting game is finite and in any given class it’s about being able to secure the top targets that you can.
Road Dawg is spot on in his assessment. Texas is all about building out infrastructure and pipelines for the future. 1 to 3 kids don’t sound like a lot but it’s 5-15% of our class. In the last 5 years we’ve gone from being blown out in Hawaii to very successful by investing, time, energy, and resources. Same with Utah. Texas is no different.
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You fuckers have way too strong of opinions about recruiting in Texas. @Tequilla's right when he compares it to an investment, and right now we're obviously eating the costs. LIFPO, it may work or it may not, but we're not supposed to see the real returns yet.
The worst take I saw in this AIDS-infested thread was someone saying Clemson could waltz into California now that they're a national brand and that that should be our strategy, i.e. wait until we're a "national brand". What a load of shit. If you think Clemson wasn't making inroads to Cali before they were Clemson and just decided to show up one day once they became the hot girl, you're out of your god damn mind. -
Yeah like huskyskeet said nobody was arguing to maximize customers. Everybody was arguing about time as a limiting factor.Tequilla said:Let’s be clear on opportunity cost ...
It’s applicable when I have a finite amount of resources (usually in the form of $$$) and I’m making decisions on how to maximize bang for my buck (usually customers)
The limiting agent in CFB recruiting is amount of time on the road recruiting. Coaches have to be smart at where they travel, who they visit, and most importantly and not really talked about here are the HS programs/coaches they want to build pipelines with.
The flaw in how most of you are talking about opportunity cost is that the recruiting game isn’t about maximizing customers (recruits). The recruiting game is finite and in any given class it’s about being able to secure the top targets that you can.
Road Dawg is spot on in his assessment. Texas is all about building out infrastructure and pipelines for the future. 1 to 3 kids don’t sound like a lot but it’s 5-15% of our class. In the last 5 years we’ve gone from being blown out in Hawaii to very successful by investing, time, energy, and resources. Same with Utah. Texas is no different.
Next time before you come in on your TCU MBA high horse trying to explain basic concepts like we are idiots maybe take a second read first.
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I know exactly what I’m talking about
Too many idiots take whatever Dennis says as the gospel -
Thankfully we have a new messiah now, and his name is @sonics1993. I want to be his minion.Tequilla said:I know exactly what I’m talking about
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And to be clear I’m not being critical of Dennis in saying that ... it’s more about thinking critically and independently to arrive at conclusions
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Tequilla said:
And to be clear I’m not being critical of Dennis in saying that ... it’s more about believing what I have to say
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It remains to be seen if he rises again or notGreenRiverGatorz said:
Thankfully we have a new messiah now, and his name is @sonics1993. I want to be his minion.Tequilla said:I know exactly what I’m talking about
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He is risen.RaceBannon said:
It remains to be seen if he rises again or notGreenRiverGatorz said:
Thankfully we have a new messiah now, and his name is @sonics1993. I want to be his minion.Tequilla said:I know exactly what I’m talking about
Too many idiots take whatever Dennis says as the gospel -
Probably the smartest thing you've said in a long time.Tequilla said:I know exactly what I’m talking about
Too many idiots take whatever Dennis says as the gospel -
JFC I'll take the L now that we have an insider saying that they really don't spend that much time having to scout Texas and that the pool of talent in CA really is that shallow but Fuck off man. I learned the term opportunity cost as a Junior in High school. It didn't take having to go to grad school for me to become exposed to basic economic concepts.Tequilla said:And to be clear I’m not being critical of Dennis in saying that ... it’s more about thinking critically and independently to arrive at conclusions
Tech and society have changed and what once would have been a larger sink of resources is now a relatively low cost investment while the rate of return has stayed relatively constant. Fair enough. -
You're misrepresenting what he said. Teq didn't say that one of you said that the recruiting game is about maximizing customers, he said that this fact is why you're wrong. To be fair to him.FremontTroll said:
Yeah like huskyskeet said nobody was arguing to maximize customers. Everybody was arguing about time as a limiting factor.Tequilla said:Let’s be clear on opportunity cost ...
It’s applicable when I have a finite amount of resources (usually in the form of $$$) and I’m making decisions on how to maximize bang for my buck (usually customers)
The limiting agent in CFB recruiting is amount of time on the road recruiting. Coaches have to be smart at where they travel, who they visit, and most importantly and not really talked about here are the HS programs/coaches they want to build pipelines with.
The flaw in how most of you are talking about opportunity cost is that the recruiting game isn’t about maximizing customers (recruits). The recruiting game is finite and in any given class it’s about being able to secure the top targets that you can.
Road Dawg is spot on in his assessment. Texas is all about building out infrastructure and pipelines for the future. 1 to 3 kids don’t sound like a lot but it’s 5-15% of our class. In the last 5 years we’ve gone from being blown out in Hawaii to very successful by investing, time, energy, and resources. Same with Utah. Texas is no different.
Next time before you come in on your TCU MBA high horse trying to explain basic concepts like we are idiots maybe take a second read first.
It goes back to what he said about it being a finite market. There's only so far you can expand. At the same time there's only so many good investments in a certain region, which might make it a net gain to expand at least a little bit.
That's where the opportunity cost comes in. Of course that necessitates an investment. We're not investing as much money as a team like Clemson, nor do we have the same brand (in terms of wins), therefore it takes longer. It's not necessarily a sunk cost.
Personally I think the biggest limiting factor in our recruiting has been sticking with bad coaches. Adams and Huff has given us way faster yields than the Texas strategy, although Teq makes a good point about Hawai'i and Utah.
