Texas Recruiting - WAM Appetizer
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Also everyone wants to play in the SEC right now and LSU is one of the premier SEC programs.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Except those are elite talents of which there are few in the nation. UW isn't going after kids like that in Texas. They are recruiting mostly "diamonds in the rough" or guys who are overlooked etc.whuggy said:
Yeah I don't get the argument that resources are wasted by recruiting Texas. Take LSU. People should say that they are wasting resources by recruiting California and Utah. Two non-traditional areas for them. But that has resulted in them getting Elias Ricks and Siaki Ika the last two cycles. Yes Orgeron has connections in Cali but Petersen has the same connections in Texas as he has been recruiting there forever. Also if UW continues to be nationally relevant that exposure does some of the initial footwork needed to get the attention of Texas recruits. People make it sound like it's some kind of big time allocation devoted to Texas when it's just not true. If it's 5% of your recruiting allocation time and you pull 1 out of 20 kids in a recruiting cycle that sounds okay to me. And as you get better the quality of that 1 recruit also gets better.Tequilla said:The question always comes down to what the cost is
The argument against recruiting Texas is that we can be doing better in California. But who in California are we really missing on?
I get all the arguments but the reality is that culture and fit matter a lot to this staff. Those that receive what we are about will gravitate towards us. Those that don’t wont.
Ultimately the key in Texas is gaining traction. Getting a player like Levi is huge. As the Texas players on our roster produce and get to the league our reputation will only further grow there.
Until there’s tangible evidence that our efforts in Texas are wasted, then it’s a worthwhile INVESTMENT for the program to make if they deem that they have the resources to devote to it
Like I was saying- if UW wins a playoff game this year and Eason is drafted top 5- then we may be able to get to that echelon where we can beat Texas and Oklahoma for some guys in their own region.
But if that happens its due to our emergence as a national program it has almost nothing to do with all the time we've spent there the last 6 years. -
We are going to get Banks lol.
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whuggy said:
Yeah I don't get the argument that resources are wasted by recruiting Texas. Take LSU. People should say that they are wasting resources by recruiting California and Utah. Two non-traditional areas for them. But that has resulted in them getting Elias Ricks and Siaki Ika the last two cycles. Yes Orgeron has connections in Cali but Petersen has the same connections in Texas as he has been recruiting there forever. Also if UW continues to be nationally relevant that exposure does some of the initial footwork needed to get the attention of Texas recruits. People make it sound like it's some kind of big time allocation devoted to Texas when it's just not true. If it's 5% of your recruiting allocation time and you pull 1 out of 20 kids in a recruiting cycle that sounds okay to me. And as you get better the quality of that 1 recruit also gets better.Tequilla said:The question always comes down to what the cost is
The argument against recruiting Texas is that we can be doing better in California. But who in California are we really missing on?
I get all the arguments but the reality is that culture and fit matter a lot to this staff. Those that receive what we are about will gravitate towards us. Those that don’t wont.
Ultimately the key in Texas is gaining traction. Getting a player like Levi is huge. As the Texas players on our roster produce and get to the league our reputation will only further grow there.
Until there’s tangible evidence that our efforts in Texas are wasted, then it’s a worthwhile INVESTMENT for the program to make if they deem that they have the resources to devote to it
UW brand isnt LSU brand
UW isnt in the SEC
UW isnt in the South
UW doesnt play bag games
When LSU calls every recruit in the country knows who it is, knows their mascot, there school colors. When "Washington" calls most people are thinking about Trump/DC or call it Washington University, or Huskie or some other dumbshit.
To say that because LSU or some SEC school can grab recruits from California therefore UW (or pac12) schools should be able to go into the south and win recruiting battles with similar ease has no baring in reality. I cannot express to you how different football is treated in the South than it is in Southern California. There are plenty of recruits all around the country that say "I want to play in the SEC".... How many big time recruits from the South would ever say "I want to play in the Pac12"?
Your California examples like Elias Rick just prove the point though, why waste resources at all in Texas (south) when Southern California is ripe for the picking and UW is currently the premiere program on the west coast? Why go to Texas to compete against LSU, UT, TAMU, Oklahoma, Alabama, Georgia, etc for a same or lessor recruit that has no idea who UW even is when players like Ricks or Smalls are sitting in our region that we should be dominating?
Recruit outside of your region when you cant find a recruit you need within it. -
Here's what UW has pulled out of Texas in SIX YEARS of recruiting after scouting, researching, and evaluating 103 players. You know, because Washington is "selective" when finding "OKG's".
On average it is the bottom end depth of our class. The exception is obviously Levi but even counting him the average is low. Remove him and it looks even worse.
So there's essentially three arguments people are making.
1) We need these players for depth.
No, there are lots of players in our natural geographic footprint that we already recruit in that are "replacement" level(.8488 average) bottom end depth that we are passing on. This includes the state of Washington which has caused grumblings from the natives and which takes the LEAST amount of opportunity cost to recruit and lock up.
2) There's little opportunity cost to us recruiting Texas. We might as well do it.
This is a hilariously bad take. Are recruiting schedules intense? Are coaches' times valuable? If the answer to either of questions is "no" then fucking fire the coach. Every trip taken to Texas is a trip not taken to Utah, Arizona, California, Oregon, etc. and often times because of the distance is worth two of the others.
3) They are laying a foundation for future recruiting in Texas.
By the coaches own admission this isn't how they view it at this point. The foundation needed to recruit ELITE talent is winning on the national stage which will naturally lead to in-roads. This is why Clemson can recruit ELITE guys out of California. "Come play for Championships". The coaches have admitted they are looking for 1-2 guys to fill out depth and aren't swinging for big time players.
Everyone that tries to lambaste criticism of the "Texas strategy" as some lemming narrative can eat a giant pile of dicks. There's legitimate reasons to criticize this strategy and if you can't see them after this article then I suggest you drink bleach because there's no fucking hope for you. -
UW (or any Pac 12 team except USC when they are not shit) isn't going to be beat Texas, Aggie, or OU for top Texas kids. But that doesn't mean it isn't worth recruiting. There is so much talent in Texas that there are a ton of kids who fly under the radar. UW has excellent coaches--the best in the conference (IMHO) who can identify that type of talent. That is why they are in Texas.
The 2 best Texas kids chip pulled out of Oregon (LMJ and Huff) had offers from Minnesota/TCU (LMJ) and Buffalo/Colorado (Huff). -
There isn't a single recruit out West that UW wanted and would have gotten had they not "wasted time" recruiting Texas. Not a single one. They clearly have enough time to recruit both the West region and Texas. So who gives a fuck? We would not have had a better chance at getting Justin Flowe or Elias Ricks or whoever the fuck you think we could have gotten had we not recruited Texas at all this class. Some West coast kids are just not coming here no matter what. Even when UW wins a national title, there will still be a few elite West coast kids that don't want to come here.
If our hidden gems are coming from WA, CA, and TX that's fine with me. If you can create a bigger pool of hidden gems and select the top hidden gems from that larger pool of recruits, then the hidden gems you're getting have a better chance of panning out. For instance, there was no hidden gem offensive lineman on the West coast better than Victor Curne in his class. There is no hidden gem RB out West this class better than Jay'Veon Sunday. Those guys are upgrades over West coast guys we would have had to take had we not recruited Texas.
Plus, Texas kids just know how to play the game because the high school coaching down there is really good. We haven't had any Texas busts on this roster. They have played major roles already (Fuller and Onwuzurike) or will very soon (Curne the #2 RG and Rice the #2 Buck). -
LOL sure in Ballz' fantasy reality where we never miss on kids then of course you can be 100% certain we wouldn't have better results in a different hypothetical universe.StrongArmCobra said:There isn't a single recruit out West that UW wanted and would have gotten had they not "wasted time" recruiting Texas. Not a single one. They clearly have enough time to recruit both the West region and Texas. So who gives a fuck? We would not have had a better chance at getting Justin Flowe or Elias Ricks or whoever the fuck you think we could have gotten had we not recruited Texas at all this class. Some West coast kids are just not coming here no matter what. Even when UW wins a national title, there will still be a few elite West coast kids that don't want to come here.
If our hidden gems are coming from WA, CA, and TX that's fine with me. If you can create a bigger pool of hidden gems and select the top hidden gems from that larger pool of recruits, then the hidden gems you're getting have a better chance of panning out. For instance, there was no hidden gem offensive lineman on the West coast better than Victor Curne in his class. There is no hidden gem RB out West this class better than Jay'Veon Sunday. Those guys are upgrades over West coast guys we would have had to take had we not recruited Texas.
Plus, Texas kids just know how to play the game because the high school coaching down there is really good. We haven't had any Texas busts on this roster. They have played major roles already (Fuller and Onwuzurike) or will very soon (Curne the #2 RG and Rice the #2 Buck).
What might be even more unbelievable is you are using a sample size of 6 players, 2 of which have actually played, to say that Texas kids "just know how to play the game" so they won't be busts. -
Those are six completely irreplaceable "hidden gems" though. There's not a single recruit in any of the West that could have served as a replacement for any of them.FremontTroll said:
LOL sure in Ballz' fantasy reality where we never miss on kids then of course you can be 100% certain we wouldn't have better results in a different hypothetical universe.StrongArmCobra said:There isn't a single recruit out West that UW wanted and would have gotten had they not "wasted time" recruiting Texas. Not a single one. They clearly have enough time to recruit both the West region and Texas. So who gives a fuck? We would not have had a better chance at getting Justin Flowe or Elias Ricks or whoever the fuck you think we could have gotten had we not recruited Texas at all this class. Some West coast kids are just not coming here no matter what. Even when UW wins a national title, there will still be a few elite West coast kids that don't want to come here.
If our hidden gems are coming from WA, CA, and TX that's fine with me. If you can create a bigger pool of hidden gems and select the top hidden gems from that larger pool of recruits, then the hidden gems you're getting have a better chance of panning out. For instance, there was no hidden gem offensive lineman on the West coast better than Victor Curne in his class. There is no hidden gem RB out West this class better than Jay'Veon Sunday. Those guys are upgrades over West coast guys we would have had to take had we not recruited Texas.
Plus, Texas kids just know how to play the game because the high school coaching down there is really good. We haven't had any Texas busts on this roster. They have played major roles already (Fuller and Onwuzurike) or will very soon (Curne the #2 RG and Rice the #2 Buck).
What might be even more unbelievable is you are using a sample size of 6 players, 2 of which have actually played, to say that Texas kids "just know how to play the game" so they won't be busts. -
Hook. Line. Sinker.backthepack said:We are going to get Banks lol.
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Glad you could bring the AIDS to what is a decent thread.
Every single recruit out West that UW wanted and missed on was because they are "making an investment" recruiting Texas. Every single one. They clearly do not have enough time to recruit both the West region and Texas.... Damn its fun to make both wrong, overly definitive, and impossible to prove/disprove statements... Now I get it.StrongArmCobra said:There isn't a single recruit out West that UW wanted and would have gotten had they not "wasted time" recruiting Texas. Not a single one. They clearly have enough time to recruit both the West region and Texas.
"hidden gems" is this NCAA 14 or something?StrongArmCobra said:If our hidden gems are coming from WA, CA, and TX that's fine with me. If you can create a bigger pool of hidden gems and select the top hidden gems from that larger pool of recruits, then the hidden gems you're getting have a better chance of panning out. For instance, there was no hidden gem offensive lineman on the West coast better than Victor Curne in his class. There is no hidden gem RB out West this class better than Jay'Veon Sunday. Those guys are upgrades over West coast guys we would have had to take had we not recruited Texas.
Filling out an opening or two in the bottom of the class with high ceiling/low cost recruit is fine. Its extremely difficult in a state like Texas because you either have to spend a lot of resources finding that overlooked "gem" that every other schools in the country somehow missed (because everyone looks at Texas) OR you have to recruit directly against a school with a massive recruiting advantage.
