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  • CirrhosisDawg
    CirrhosisDawg Member Posts: 6,390

    If you can't trust a Communist who can you trust?

    Trump
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 115,561 Founders Club
  • BennyBeaver
    BennyBeaver Member Posts: 13,346

    Benny, how would you address these problems with China alternatively though? The simple fact is that they need our market a lot more than we need theirs. Supply chains are already moving away from China as cheap labor dries up and as the population begins to age. Vietnam, India, etc. Opening our markets to them(which once upon a time I believed in) has failed to do anything other than create a neo-facist almost super power in the world.

    Sorry not sorry, a little short term pain for American consumers is a small price to pay to avoid a world dominated by the CCP. It's definitely preferable to world war 3 nuclear bugaloo. Happy to hear the alternative method to bring the CCP to heel that's better. Convince me and I'll advocate for that.

    I’m not advocating for any other policy, just illustrating the effects tariffs are having on my industry, and in turn the 🇺🇸 consumer.

    In all seriousness, it sounds like you're a tool, then. Diversify your sourcing, stop being a tool and make yourself less dependent and vulnerable to tariffs, if you can. We all gotta tighten our belts sometimes.
    Thank you Captain Obvious.

    Resourcing is not like flipping a switch, not when you are beholden to safety and quality standards. Dual sourcing has it's benefits but also detriments, like not maximizing your purchasing power.

    Either way, the tariffs will hit you in the wallet.
    From China? laughing Bolton gif

    That shitty air that has us only having 12 years to live is a direct result of companies closing their eyes to how the shit they buy from China is made

    But AMERICA pulled out of the Paris Accords!!!!!!!!
    NO NOT FROM CHINA YOU FUCKING BELLEND.

    Do you have any idea what ISO or QS or IATF means? Rhetorical question. Carpet layers would have not clue.
  • Dude61
    Dude61 Member Posts: 1,254

    Anyone that thinks one dogmatic thought applies in THIS economy is fooling themselves

    There are no free markets so accusing people of a lack of ideological purity on the matter is a waste of time.

    I root for the USA. Unabashedly.

    Why would I want us to be Chi Coms or Eurotrash? If you do that's fine, the democrats will take your vote. So will H's intellectual conservative Never Trumpers

    Its why we have elections

    Trump understands that the the US government exists to protect and support the US people and industry, not actively work to undermine manufacturing base like they have the past 30 years.
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 115,561 Founders Club

    Benny, how would you address these problems with China alternatively though? The simple fact is that they need our market a lot more than we need theirs. Supply chains are already moving away from China as cheap labor dries up and as the population begins to age. Vietnam, India, etc. Opening our markets to them(which once upon a time I believed in) has failed to do anything other than create a neo-facist almost super power in the world.

    Sorry not sorry, a little short term pain for American consumers is a small price to pay to avoid a world dominated by the CCP. It's definitely preferable to world war 3 nuclear bugaloo. Happy to hear the alternative method to bring the CCP to heel that's better. Convince me and I'll advocate for that.

    I’m not advocating for any other policy, just illustrating the effects tariffs are having on my industry, and in turn the 🇺🇸 consumer.

    In all seriousness, it sounds like you're a tool, then. Diversify your sourcing, stop being a tool and make yourself less dependent and vulnerable to tariffs, if you can. We all gotta tighten our belts sometimes.
    Thank you Captain Obvious.

    Resourcing is not like flipping a switch, not when you are beholden to safety and quality standards. Dual sourcing has it's benefits but also detriments, like not maximizing your purchasing power.

    Either way, the tariffs will hit you in the wallet.
    From China? laughing Bolton gif

    That shitty air that has us only having 12 years to live is a direct result of companies closing their eyes to how the shit they buy from China is made

    But AMERICA pulled out of the Paris Accords!!!!!!!!
    NO NOT FROM CHINA YOU FUCKING BELLEND.

    Do you have any idea what ISO or QS or IATF means? Rhetorical question. Carpet layers would have not clue.
    Why so angry benny?

    This carpet layer destroyed every argument you made

    What do you mean not from China when that's where you get your cheap shit. It doesn't matter if you follow rules here once you destroy the environment there

    WE ONLY HAVE 12 YEARS TO LIVE

    Thanks to people like you
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 115,561 Founders Club
    PS

    The environment is GLOBAL
  • UW_Doog_Bot
    UW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 18,553 Founders Club

    Benny, how would you address these problems with China alternatively though? The simple fact is that they need our market a lot more than we need theirs. Supply chains are already moving away from China as cheap labor dries up and as the population begins to age. Vietnam, India, etc. Opening our markets to them(which once upon a time I believed in) has failed to do anything other than create a neo-facist almost super power in the world.

    Sorry not sorry, a little short term pain for American consumers is a small price to pay to avoid a world dominated by the CCP. It's definitely preferable to world war 3 nuclear bugaloo. Happy to hear the alternative method to bring the CCP to heel that's better. Convince me and I'll advocate for that.

    I’m not advocating for any other policy, just illustrating the effects tariffs are having on my industry, and in turn the 🇺🇸 consumer.

    In all seriousness, it sounds like you're a tool, then. Diversify your sourcing, stop being a tool and make yourself less dependent and vulnerable to tariffs, if you can. We all gotta tighten our belts sometimes.
    Thank you Captain Obvious.

    Resourcing is not like flipping a switch, not when you are beholden to safety and quality standards. Dual sourcing has it's benefits but also detriments, like not maximizing your purchasing power.

    Either way, the tariffs will hit you in the wallet.
    From China? laughing Bolton gif

    That shitty air that has us only having 12 years to live is a direct result of companies closing their eyes to how the shit they buy from China is made

    But AMERICA pulled out of the Paris Accords!!!!!!!!
    NO NOT FROM CHINA YOU FUCKING BELLEND.

    Do you have any idea what ISO or QS or IATF means? Rhetorical question. Carpet layers would have not clue.
    I'm a black belt and have run programs in India and China. Sure, it's a bitch to change over but how do you think those suppliers ended up in China in the first place? They weren't there 20-30 years ago.
  • MikeDamone
    MikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781

    SFGbob said:

    Who knows if the new TUFF on China approach will work or not. But we do know that the old approach wasn't.

    I like free trade with allies and frens. Maybe China just doesn't want to be our fren.

    Something had to be done. Ignoring the problem wasn't working. China's theft of US intellectual property was costing us billions.
    Either way it will cost us billions.

    My company is being hit with the tariffs. Guess what? In the short-medium term, we aren't going to resource components away from the suppliers. Nope. That takes time and $.

    We will pass the tariff along to our customer, who in turn will pass it along to their customer, who will pass it along to their customer, who will pass it along to their customer, who will pass it along to their customer, who will pass it along to the citizens of the US in the form of higher prices.

  • YellowSnow
    YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,710 Founders Club

    Benny, how would you address these problems with China alternatively though? The simple fact is that they need our market a lot more than we need theirs. Supply chains are already moving away from China as cheap labor dries up and as the population begins to age. Vietnam, India, etc. Opening our markets to them(which once upon a time I believed in) has failed to do anything other than create a neo-facist almost super power in the world.

    Sorry not sorry, a little short term pain for American consumers is a small price to pay to avoid a world dominated by the CCP. It's definitely preferable to world war 3 nuclear bugaloo. Happy to hear the alternative method to bring the CCP to heel that's better. Convince me and I'll advocate for that.

    I’m not advocating for any other policy, just illustrating the effects tariffs are having on my industry, and in turn the 🇺🇸 consumer.

    In all seriousness, it sounds like you're a tool, then. Diversify your sourcing, stop being a tool and make yourself less dependent and vulnerable to tariffs, if you can. We all gotta tighten our belts sometimes.
    Thank you Captain Obvious.

    Resourcing is not like flipping a switch, not when you are beholden to safety and quality standards. Dual sourcing has it's benefits but also detriments, like not maximizing your purchasing power.

    Either way, the tariffs will hit you in the wallet.
    From China? laughing Bolton gif

    That shitty air that has us only having 12 years to live is a direct result of companies closing their eyes to how the shit they buy from China is made

    But AMERICA pulled out of the Paris Accords!!!!!!!!
    NO NOT FROM CHINA YOU FUCKING BELLEND.

    Do you have any idea what ISO or QS or IATF means? Rhetorical question. Carpet layers would have not clue.
    I'm a black belt and have run programs in India and China. Sure, it's a bitch to change over but how do you think those suppliers ended up in China in the first place? They weren't there 20-30 years ago.
    So wait you're a 6' tall former rugby player with a black belt? I'm glad I've never tried to fight you in real life.
  • MikeDamone
    MikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
    edited May 2019

    SFGbob said:

    Who knows if the new TUFF on China approach will work or not. But we do know that the old approach wasn't.

    I like free trade with allies and frens. Maybe China just doesn't want to be our fren.

    Something had to be done. Ignoring the problem wasn't working. China's theft of US intellectual property was costing us billions.
    Either way it will cost us billions.

    My company is being hit with the tariffs. Guess what? In the short-medium term, we aren't going to resource components away from the suppliers. Nope. That takes time and $.

    We will pass the tariff along to our customer, who in turn will pass it along to their customer, who will pass it along to their customer, who will pass it along to their customer, who will pass it along to their customer, who will pass it along to the citizens of the US in the form of higher prices.
    Assuming they want to by the crap you import from China

    I guess white trash needs those cheap knock off stolen goods, right @CirrhosisDawg ?

    Be a better business man and stop relying on crap to make a buck
    This is just such a dim, myopic view of how goods are manufactured in a global economy.

    Our products are made of components sourced from all over the world, including the good ol' USA. Our products/services are recognized as the technological and quality gold standard in the industry, are in high demand and never the cheapest alternative.

    We hold a dominant market position of #1 or #2 in almost every product line we produce in every region.

    So, we will continue to source components from the best cost country in the short and medium term and pass the 25% tariff on to our customers. As such, the tariff will get passed on to you Mr. Race Bannon in the form of higher prices, because everything you touch in your daily life in the past, present and future will have to utilize our products.
    We? You sound super important being able to post on an message board arguing with strangers all day and what not.