Both parties but especially the Rats starting with Clinton have been bending over for the Chi Coms. They've been stealing us blind for years now and we have done nothing. CD is just a fucking crank with no answers and a raft of strawman ass fucks. No one is claiming that tariffs equal free trade or any of the other laundry list of crap he cites. Ask him what should be done about China IP theft and you'll get another one of his sweet Kunt acts. The guy has nothing.
Can you read? I told you skilled and educated Americans in California eat the Chinese for lunch every day. Better product. Better service. Better skills. That’s why you don’t get it. That’s why you are a failure. So sorry for you.
No answer but lots of mouth. Huawei, the Chinese tech company is currently the world’s biggest supplier of telecom network equipment and the number two cellphone producer. They had $100 Billion in revenue last year and they've been stealing from us for over decade. Gosh and CD the ignorant Kunt claimed that California was eating China's lunch. I "get" that you have nothing but your ignorant mouth.
Again, I’m sorry you don’t have the skills or capabilities to compete. It’s not a problem in capital markets. We win. Sounds like you’ve made a lot of poor life decisions Bob.
Except that we historically have these notions that inventors and innovators should get paid for doing so. The Chinese don't. In fact, per Marxist doctrine IP is all property of the state anyways. This is why China can't innovate shit. So they steal it from everyone else. Pretending it's not a problem with some defense of free markets is kind of disingenuous. Doubly so when they have actual detention camps with slave labor all over XinJiang and Tibet.
Good points. David Ricardo had it right though. Highly skilled and competitive US labor will beat China every single time. A tariff regime defeats our advantage and reduces us to the level of mercantilists and protectionists. We are better off innovating, leading, producing and winning. The alternative is to reduce ourselves to the lowest common denominator of trumptardism. .
Except that in the age of the internet innovation travels across the globe in seconds. Never mind that additionally Chinese state and state sponsored actors are actively sabotaging and stealing anything we innovate.
In my industry we are literally attacked by Chinese malware/spyware every, single, fucking day.
Did you watch the video I posted the other day of a four star general with a phd in economics discussing this?
I apologize since you’ve already addressed this once today. You are very good at explaining markets and micro economics.
In summation:
The Right: Free markets work best! Except internationally, we need to control international markets.
The Left: Free markets work best! Except domestically, we need to control domestic markets.
Doog_Bot: *sigh*
I'd Pinochet the lot of you if I didn't believe in the universality of human rights.
Also in summation, using government to control markets (through taxes, tariffs, and regulations) is futile and self-defeating in both international and domestic markets.
No matter how sanctimonious or self-righteous you are, you are not changing the laws of nature.
CD, I think we've got to quit over simplifying the free trade debate discussion. China is a much different animal when it comes our national interests, than, say opening up our markets to Japan or Germany which are both liberal democracies and close allies. Did you know that back in the 1980's when the domestic automakers were getting hammered by Japanese imports, we were able to reach an agreement with Japan where Toyota, HondoFS, etc started opening up plants in the US? They were a close ally and willing to work with us to save some jerbs in America. Hell, my wife's MDX is made by a bunch of cousin fuckers down in Bammer. China doesn't want to be cooperative because they are a mercantilist, dictatorship bent on displacing the US the the sole superpower.
So let’s pay more for consumer goods, destroy markets and undermine the 60 year old trade liberation infrastructure while trump sorts out a “deal” with “enforcement”?
Now hold on a second...
China entered the WTO in 2001. Average GDP growth per year in the US was way higher in the period 1945- 2001 than it's been sense. We had plenty of free trade with other global trading partners prior to 2001. It ain't FREE TRADE if the other side ain't FREE. I love buying shit from Japan, Mexico, Germany, Vietnam, etc. Fuck China.
So based on current and historical data, we don’t need a trade agreement with China, tariffs and trade wars are fucking stupid and free people in free markets will always win? That’s what I’ve been saying. Fuck China. The US with California has and will always win without this trumptardian protectionism, isolationism, and ridiculous “trade deal.”
I love how this dipshit thinks intellectual property theft is part of a "free market."
Just as He believes hiring no skilled fence jumpers for .30 on the dollar is free market as well.
That is free market. The opposite of that is China.
In the Wild West era, sure.gif.
No, not Wild West Cuog! The free migration of labor and capital is the baseline. I assume they teach economis at Cuog. Every single impediment is an inefficiency. Some of those are warranted, some are not. People and governments have different views of them for varying reasons. But labor and capital finding one another in the market with no impediments is the baseline.
As for our situation, I have yet to hear a cogent argument, in the Tug or elsewhere, about the evils of letting in cheap labor other than exaggerated / made-up stories of legions of Mexicans getting free bennies from the Fed that are denied to our veterans.
Bullshit or not, that's not an economic argument in any event. On that front, all I see are posts with conclusory statements about the depressing effects on wages for low-skilled domestic workers (no shit?) made by fellow Tugmen whose homes are full of cheap shit imported from Mexico and China. Apparently the domestic manufacturer isn't on their minds. So, I'm not persuaded.
I apologize since you’ve already addressed this once today. You are very good at explaining markets and micro economics.
In summation:
The Right: Free markets work best! Except internationally, we need to control international markets.
The Left: Free markets work best! Except domestically, we need to control domestic markets.
Doog_Bot: *sigh*
I'd Pinochet the lot of you if I didn't believe in the universality of human rights.
Also in summation, using government to control markets (through taxes, tariffs, and regulations) is futile and self-defeating in both international and domestic markets.
No matter how sanctimonious or self-righteous you are, you are not changing the laws of nature.
CD, I think we've got to quit over simplifying the free trade debate discussion. China is a much different animal when it comes our national interests, than, say opening up our markets to Japan or Germany which are both liberal democracies and close allies. Did you know that back in the 1980's when the domestic automakers were getting hammered by Japanese imports, we were able to reach an agreement with Japan where Toyota, HondoFS, etc started opening up plants in the US? They were a close ally and willing to work with us to save some jerbs in America. Hell, my wife's MDX is made by a bunch of cousin fuckers down in Bammer. China doesn't want to be cooperative because they are a mercantilist, dictatorship bent on displacing the US the the sole superpower.
So let’s pay more for consumer goods, destroy markets and undermine the 60 year old trade liberation infrastructure while trump sorts out a “deal” with “enforcement”?
Now hold on a second...
China entered the WTO in 2001. Average GDP growth per year in the US was way higher in the period 1945- 2001 than it's been sense. We had plenty of free trade with other global trading partners prior to 2001. It ain't FREE TRADE if the other side ain't FREE. I love buying shit from Japan, Mexico, Germany, Vietnam, etc. Fuck China.
So based on current and historical data, we don’t need a trade agreement with China, tariffs and trade wars are fucking stupid and free people in free markets will always win? That’s what I’ve been saying. Fuck China. The US with California has and will always win without this trumptardian protectionism, isolationism, and ridiculous “trade deal.”
I love how this dipshit thinks intellectual property theft is part of a "free market."
Just as He believes hiring no skilled fence jumpers for .30 on the dollar is free market as well.
That is free market. The opposite of that is China.
In the Wild West era, sure.gif.
No, not Wild West Cuog! The free migration of labor and capital is the baseline. I assume they teach economis at Cuog. Every single impediment is an inefficiency. Some of those are warranted, some are not. People and governments have different views of them for varying reasons. But labor and capital finding one another in the market with no impediments is the baseline.
As for our situation, I have yet to hear a cogent argument, in the Tug or elsewhere, about the evils of letting in cheap labor other than exaggerated / made-up stories of legions of Mexicans getting free bennies from the Fed that are denied to our veterans.
Bullshit or not, that's not an economic argument in any event. On that front, all I see are posts with conclusory statements about the depressing effects on wages for low-skilled domestic workers (no shit?) made by fellow Tugmen whose homes are full of cheap shit imported from Mexico and China. Apparently the domestic manufacturer isn't on their minds. So, I'm not persuaded.
It’s a complicated issue senor and both extremes of the debate over simplify things. One challenge with the current state of affairs is the bennefits flow mostly to the higher earners. Take the income inequality for instance in Casa de Orina Amarilla. Yo soy muy pobre...so I have to mow my own lawn, pero mi esposa gets to hire a house cleaner. Life’s not fair sometimes.
I apologize since you’ve already addressed this once today. You are very good at explaining markets and micro economics.
In summation:
The Right: Free markets work best! Except internationally, we need to control international markets.
The Left: Free markets work best! Except domestically, we need to control domestic markets.
Doog_Bot: *sigh*
I'd Pinochet the lot of you if I didn't believe in the universality of human rights.
Also in summation, using government to control markets (through taxes, tariffs, and regulations) is futile and self-defeating in both international and domestic markets.
No matter how sanctimonious or self-righteous you are, you are not changing the laws of nature.
CD, I think we've got to quit over simplifying the free trade debate discussion. China is a much different animal when it comes our national interests, than, say opening up our markets to Japan or Germany which are both liberal democracies and close allies. Did you know that back in the 1980's when the domestic automakers were getting hammered by Japanese imports, we were able to reach an agreement with Japan where Toyota, HondoFS, etc started opening up plants in the US? They were a close ally and willing to work with us to save some jerbs in America. Hell, my wife's MDX is made by a bunch of cousin fuckers down in Bammer. China doesn't want to be cooperative because they are a mercantilist, dictatorship bent on displacing the US the the sole superpower.
So let’s pay more for consumer goods, destroy markets and undermine the 60 year old trade liberation infrastructure while trump sorts out a “deal” with “enforcement”?
Now hold on a second...
China entered the WTO in 2001. Average GDP growth per year in the US was way higher in the period 1945- 2001 than it's been sense. We had plenty of free trade with other global trading partners prior to 2001. It ain't FREE TRADE if the other side ain't FREE. I love buying shit from Japan, Mexico, Germany, Vietnam, etc. Fuck China.
So based on current and historical data, we don’t need a trade agreement with China, tariffs and trade wars are fucking stupid and free people in free markets will always win? That’s what I’ve been saying. Fuck China. The US with California has and will always win without this trumptardian protectionism, isolationism, and ridiculous “trade deal.”
I love how this dipshit thinks intellectual property theft is part of a "free market."
Just as He believes hiring no skilled fence jumpers for .30 on the dollar is free market as well.
That is free market. The opposite of that is China.
In the Wild West era, sure.gif.
No, not Wild West Cuog! The free migration of labor and capital is the baseline. I assume they teach economis at Cuog. Every single impediment is an inefficiency. Some of those are warranted, some are not. People and governments have different views of them for varying reasons. But labor and capital finding one another in the market with no impediments is the baseline.
As for our situation, I have yet to hear a cogent argument, in the Tug or elsewhere, about the evils of letting in cheap labor other than exaggerated / made-up stories of legions of Mexicans getting free bennies from the Fed that are denied to our veterans.
Bullshit or not, that's not an economic argument in any event. On that front, all I see are posts with conclusory statements about the depressing effects on wages for low-skilled domestic workers (no shit?) made by fellow Tugmen whose homes are full of cheap shit imported from Mexico and China. Apparently the domestic manufacturer isn't on their minds. So, I'm not persuaded.
It’s a complicated issue senor and both extremes of the debate over simplify things. One challenge with the current state of affairs is the bennefits flow mostly to the higher earners. Take the income inequality for instance in Casa de Orina Amarilla. Yo soy muy pobre...so I have to mow my own lawn, pero mi esposa gets to hire a house cleaner. Life’s not fair sometimes.
I apologize since you’ve already addressed this once today. You are very good at explaining markets and micro economics.
In summation:
The Right: Free markets work best! Except internationally, we need to control international markets.
The Left: Free markets work best! Except domestically, we need to control domestic markets.
Doog_Bot: *sigh*
I'd Pinochet the lot of you if I didn't believe in the universality of human rights.
Also in summation, using government to control markets (through taxes, tariffs, and regulations) is futile and self-defeating in both international and domestic markets.
No matter how sanctimonious or self-righteous you are, you are not changing the laws of nature.
CD, I think we've got to quit over simplifying the free trade debate discussion. China is a much different animal when it comes our national interests, than, say opening up our markets to Japan or Germany which are both liberal democracies and close allies. Did you know that back in the 1980's when the domestic automakers were getting hammered by Japanese imports, we were able to reach an agreement with Japan where Toyota, HondoFS, etc started opening up plants in the US? They were a close ally and willing to work with us to save some jerbs in America. Hell, my wife's MDX is made by a bunch of cousin fuckers down in Bammer. China doesn't want to be cooperative because they are a mercantilist, dictatorship bent on displacing the US the the sole superpower.
So let’s pay more for consumer goods, destroy markets and undermine the 60 year old trade liberation infrastructure while trump sorts out a “deal” with “enforcement”?
Now hold on a second...
China entered the WTO in 2001. Average GDP growth per year in the US was way higher in the period 1945- 2001 than it's been sense. We had plenty of free trade with other global trading partners prior to 2001. It ain't FREE TRADE if the other side ain't FREE. I love buying shit from Japan, Mexico, Germany, Vietnam, etc. Fuck China.
So based on current and historical data, we don’t need a trade agreement with China, tariffs and trade wars are fucking stupid and free people in free markets will always win? That’s what I’ve been saying. Fuck China. The US with California has and will always win without this trumptardian protectionism, isolationism, and ridiculous “trade deal.”
I love how this dipshit thinks intellectual property theft is part of a "free market."
Just as He believes hiring no skilled fence jumpers for .30 on the dollar is free market as well.
That is free market. The opposite of that is China.
In the Wild West era, sure.gif.
No, not Wild West Cuog! The free migration of labor and capital is the baseline. I assume they teach economis at Cuog. Every single impediment is an inefficiency. Some of those are warranted, some are not. People and governments have different views of them for varying reasons. But labor and capital finding one another in the market with no impediments is the baseline.
As for our situation, I have yet to hear a cogent argument, in the Tug or elsewhere, about the evils of letting in cheap labor other than exaggerated / made-up stories of legions of Mexicans getting free bennies from the Fed that are denied to our veterans.
Bullshit or not, that's not an economic argument in any event. On that front, all I see are posts with conclusory statements about the depressing effects on wages for low-skilled domestic workers (no shit?) made by fellow Tugmen whose homes are full of cheap shit imported from Mexico and China. Apparently the domestic manufacturer isn't on their minds. So, I'm not persuaded.
It’s a complicated issue senor and both extremes of the debate over simplify things. One challenge with the current state of affairs is the bennefits flow mostly to the higher earners. Take the income inequality for instance in Casa de Orina Amarilla. Yo soy muy pobre...so I have to mow my own lawn, pero mi esposa gets to hire a house cleaner. Life’s not fair sometimes.
Do you like apples?
Double the current price?
Triple?
Moar?
How 'bout them apples?
Galas are my favorite. I’m not talking about kicking out all the Apple pickers.
Hey, did you guys know a tariff is a tax that will be passed on to the consumer?” - Benny.
Higher taxes are passed on to the consumer? Who'd of thought!
Just like prices dropped when the corporate tax rate was dropped. As predicted. MAGA.
More people they got a tax break for expansion/new equipment and more people are working. More people have money to buy shit. More taxes get collected. HTH
I apologize since you’ve already addressed this once today. You are very good at explaining markets and micro economics.
In summation:
The Right: Free markets work best! Except internationally, we need to control international markets.
The Left: Free markets work best! Except domestically, we need to control domestic markets.
Doog_Bot: *sigh*
I'd Pinochet the lot of you if I didn't believe in the universality of human rights.
Also in summation, using government to control markets (through taxes, tariffs, and regulations) is futile and self-defeating in both international and domestic markets.
No matter how sanctimonious or self-righteous you are, you are not changing the laws of nature.
CD, I think we've got to quit over simplifying the free trade debate discussion. China is a much different animal when it comes our national interests, than, say opening up our markets to Japan or Germany which are both liberal democracies and close allies. Did you know that back in the 1980's when the domestic automakers were getting hammered by Japanese imports, we were able to reach an agreement with Japan where Toyota, HondoFS, etc started opening up plants in the US? They were a close ally and willing to work with us to save some jerbs in America. Hell, my wife's MDX is made by a bunch of cousin fuckers down in Bammer. China doesn't want to be cooperative because they are a mercantilist, dictatorship bent on displacing the US the the sole superpower.
So let’s pay more for consumer goods, destroy markets and undermine the 60 year old trade liberation infrastructure while trump sorts out a “deal” with “enforcement”?
Now hold on a second...
China entered the WTO in 2001. Average GDP growth per year in the US was way higher in the period 1945- 2001 than it's been sense. We had plenty of free trade with other global trading partners prior to 2001. It ain't FREE TRADE if the other side ain't FREE. I love buying shit from Japan, Mexico, Germany, Vietnam, etc. Fuck China.
So based on current and historical data, we don’t need a trade agreement with China, tariffs and trade wars are fucking stupid and free people in free markets will always win? That’s what I’ve been saying. Fuck China. The US with California has and will always win without this trumptardian protectionism, isolationism, and ridiculous “trade deal.”
I love how this dipshit thinks intellectual property theft is part of a "free market."
Just as He believes hiring no skilled fence jumpers for .30 on the dollar is free market as well.
That is free market. The opposite of that is China.
In the Wild West era, sure.gif.
No, not Wild West Cuog! The free migration of labor and capital is the baseline. I assume they teach economis at Cuog. Every single impediment is an inefficiency. Some of those are warranted, some are not. People and governments have different views of them for varying reasons. But labor and capital finding one another in the market with no impediments is the baseline.
As for our situation, I have yet to hear a cogent argument, in the Tug or elsewhere, about the evils of letting in cheap labor other than exaggerated / made-up stories of legions of Mexicans getting free bennies from the Fed that are denied to our veterans.
Bullshit or not, that's not an economic argument in any event. On that front, all I see are posts with conclusory statements about the depressing effects on wages for low-skilled domestic workers (no shit?) made by fellow Tugmen whose homes are full of cheap shit imported from Mexico and China. Apparently the domestic manufacturer isn't on their minds. So, I'm not persuaded.
It’s a complicated issue senor and both extremes of the debate over simplify things. One challenge with the current state of affairs is the bennefits flow mostly to the higher earners. Take the income inequality for instance in Casa de Orina Amarilla. Yo soy muy pobre...so I have to mow my own lawn, pero mi esposa gets to hire a house cleaner. Life’s not fair sometimes.
Do you like apples?
Double the current price?
Triple?
Moar?
How 'bout them apples?
Galas are my favorite. I’m not talking about kicking out all the Apple pickers.
I apologize since you’ve already addressed this once today. You are very good at explaining markets and micro economics.
In summation:
The Right: Free markets work best! Except internationally, we need to control international markets.
The Left: Free markets work best! Except domestically, we need to control domestic markets.
Doog_Bot: *sigh*
I'd Pinochet the lot of you if I didn't believe in the universality of human rights.
Also in summation, using government to control markets (through taxes, tariffs, and regulations) is futile and self-defeating in both international and domestic markets.
No matter how sanctimonious or self-righteous you are, you are not changing the laws of nature.
CD, I think we've got to quit over simplifying the free trade debate discussion. China is a much different animal when it comes our national interests, than, say opening up our markets to Japan or Germany which are both liberal democracies and close allies. Did you know that back in the 1980's when the domestic automakers were getting hammered by Japanese imports, we were able to reach an agreement with Japan where Toyota, HondoFS, etc started opening up plants in the US? They were a close ally and willing to work with us to save some jerbs in America. Hell, my wife's MDX is made by a bunch of cousin fuckers down in Bammer. China doesn't want to be cooperative because they are a mercantilist, dictatorship bent on displacing the US the the sole superpower.
Two thoughts respectively:
a) the product of #winning
b) I don't recall my source, but I've never forgot ... in the course of human history, every time a super power has attempted to overtake another super power, it's talked in a bit fucking war
the liberal methodology of shaming people into a particular behavior pattern isn't going to work here
I apologize since you’ve already addressed this once today. You are very good at explaining markets and micro economics.
In summation:
The Right: Free markets work best! Except internationally, we need to control international markets.
The Left: Free markets work best! Except domestically, we need to control domestic markets.
Doog_Bot: *sigh*
I'd Pinochet the lot of you if I didn't believe in the universality of human rights.
Also in summation, using government to control markets (through taxes, tariffs, and regulations) is futile and self-defeating in both international and domestic markets.
No matter how sanctimonious or self-righteous you are, you are not changing the laws of nature.
CD, I think we've got to quit over simplifying the free trade debate discussion. China is a much different animal when it comes our national interests, than, say opening up our markets to Japan or Germany which are both liberal democracies and close allies. Did you know that back in the 1980's when the domestic automakers were getting hammered by Japanese imports, we were able to reach an agreement with Japan where Toyota, HondoFS, etc started opening up plants in the US? They were a close ally and willing to work with us to save some jerbs in America. Hell, my wife's MDX is made by a bunch of cousin fuckers down in Bammer. China doesn't want to be cooperative because they are a mercantilist, dictatorship bent on displacing the US the the sole superpower.
Two thoughts respectively:
a) the product of #winning
b) I don't recall my source, but I've never forgot ... in the course of human history, every time a super power has attempted to overtake another super power, it's talked in a bit fucking war
the liberal methodology of shaming people into a particular behavior pattern isn't going to work here
But in the nuclear age can 2 super powers ever get into a full blown war? We got close once but for the most part the bomb is a pretty strong deterrent.
I apologize since you’ve already addressed this once today. You are very good at explaining markets and micro economics.
In summation:
The Right: Free markets work best! Except internationally, we need to control international markets.
The Left: Free markets work best! Except domestically, we need to control domestic markets.
Doog_Bot: *sigh*
I'd Pinochet the lot of you if I didn't believe in the universality of human rights.
Also in summation, using government to control markets (through taxes, tariffs, and regulations) is futile and self-defeating in both international and domestic markets.
No matter how sanctimonious or self-righteous you are, you are not changing the laws of nature.
CD, I think we've got to quit over simplifying the free trade debate discussion. China is a much different animal when it comes our national interests, than, say opening up our markets to Japan or Germany which are both liberal democracies and close allies. Did you know that back in the 1980's when the domestic automakers were getting hammered by Japanese imports, we were able to reach an agreement with Japan where Toyota, HondoFS, etc started opening up plants in the US? They were a close ally and willing to work with us to save some jerbs in America. Hell, my wife's MDX is made by a bunch of cousin fuckers down in Bammer. China doesn't want to be cooperative because they are a mercantilist, dictatorship bent on displacing the US the the sole superpower.
Two thoughts respectively:
a) the product of #winning
b) I don't recall my source, but I've never forgot ... in the course of human history, every time a super power has attempted to overtake another super power, it's talked in a bit fucking war
the liberal methodology of shaming people into a particular behavior pattern isn't going to work here
But in the nuclear age can 2 super powers ever get into a full blown war? We got close once but for the most part the bomb is a pretty strong deterrent.
When two tribes go to war one is all that you can score.
I apologize since you’ve already addressed this once today. You are very good at explaining markets and micro economics.
In summation:
The Right: Free markets work best! Except internationally, we need to control international markets.
The Left: Free markets work best! Except domestically, we need to control domestic markets.
Doog_Bot: *sigh*
I'd Pinochet the lot of you if I didn't believe in the universality of human rights.
Also in summation, using government to control markets (through taxes, tariffs, and regulations) is futile and self-defeating in both international and domestic markets.
No matter how sanctimonious or self-righteous you are, you are not changing the laws of nature.
CD, I think we've got to quit over simplifying the free trade debate discussion. China is a much different animal when it comes our national interests, than, say opening up our markets to Japan or Germany which are both liberal democracies and close allies. Did you know that back in the 1980's when the domestic automakers were getting hammered by Japanese imports, we were able to reach an agreement with Japan where Toyota, HondoFS, etc started opening up plants in the US? They were a close ally and willing to work with us to save some jerbs in America. Hell, my wife's MDX is made by a bunch of cousin fuckers down in Bammer. China doesn't want to be cooperative because they are a mercantilist, dictatorship bent on displacing the US the the sole superpower.
So let’s pay more for consumer goods, destroy markets and undermine the 60 year old trade liberation infrastructure while trump sorts out a “deal” with “enforcement”?
Now hold on a second...
China entered the WTO in 2001. Average GDP growth per year in the US was way higher in the period 1945- 2001 than it's been sense. We had plenty of free trade with other global trading partners prior to 2001. It ain't FREE TRADE if the other side ain't FREE. I love buying shit from Japan, Mexico, Germany, Vietnam, etc. Fuck China.
So based on current and historical data, we don’t need a trade agreement with China, tariffs and trade wars are fucking stupid and free people in free markets will always win? That’s what I’ve been saying. Fuck China. The US with California has and will always win without this trumptardian protectionism, isolationism, and ridiculous “trade deal.”
I love how this dipshit thinks intellectual property theft is part of a "free market."
Just as He believes hiring no skilled fence jumpers for .30 on the dollar is free market as well.
That is free market. The opposite of that is China.
In the Wild West era, sure.gif.
No, not Wild West Cuog! The free migration of labor and capital is the baseline. I assume they teach economis at Cuog. Every single impediment is an inefficiency. Some of those are warranted, some are not. People and governments have different views of them for varying reasons. But labor and capital finding one another in the market with no impediments is the baseline.
As for our situation, I have yet to hear a cogent argument, in the Tug or elsewhere, about the evils of letting in cheap labor other than exaggerated / made-up stories of legions of Mexicans getting free bennies from the Fed that are denied to our veterans.
Bullshit or not, that's not an economic argument in any event. On that front, all I see are posts with conclusory statements about the depressing effects on wages for low-skilled domestic workers (no shit?) made by fellow Tugmen whose homes are full of cheap shit imported from Mexico and China. Apparently the domestic manufacturer isn't on their minds. So, I'm not persuaded.
I apologize since you’ve already addressed this once today. You are very good at explaining markets and micro economics.
In summation:
The Right: Free markets work best! Except internationally, we need to control international markets.
The Left: Free markets work best! Except domestically, we need to control domestic markets.
Doog_Bot: *sigh*
I'd Pinochet the lot of you if I didn't believe in the universality of human rights.
Also in summation, using government to control markets (through taxes, tariffs, and regulations) is futile and self-defeating in both international and domestic markets.
No matter how sanctimonious or self-righteous you are, you are not changing the laws of nature.
CD, I think we've got to quit over simplifying the free trade debate discussion. China is a much different animal when it comes our national interests, than, say opening up our markets to Japan or Germany which are both liberal democracies and close allies. Did you know that back in the 1980's when the domestic automakers were getting hammered by Japanese imports, we were able to reach an agreement with Japan where Toyota, HondoFS, etc started opening up plants in the US? They were a close ally and willing to work with us to save some jerbs in America. Hell, my wife's MDX is made by a bunch of cousin fuckers down in Bammer. China doesn't want to be cooperative because they are a mercantilist, dictatorship bent on displacing the US the the sole superpower.
So let’s pay more for consumer goods, destroy markets and undermine the 60 year old trade liberation infrastructure while trump sorts out a “deal” with “enforcement”?
Now hold on a second...
China entered the WTO in 2001. Average GDP growth per year in the US was way higher in the period 1945- 2001 than it's been sense. We had plenty of free trade with other global trading partners prior to 2001. It ain't FREE TRADE if the other side ain't FREE. I love buying shit from Japan, Mexico, Germany, Vietnam, etc. Fuck China.
So based on current and historical data, we don’t need a trade agreement with China, tariffs and trade wars are fucking stupid and free people in free markets will always win? That’s what I’ve been saying. Fuck China. The US with California has and will always win without this trumptardian protectionism, isolationism, and ridiculous “trade deal.”
I love how this dipshit thinks intellectual property theft is part of a "free market."
Just as He believes hiring no skilled fence jumpers for .30 on the dollar is free market as well.
That is free market. The opposite of that is China.
In the Wild West era, sure.gif.
No, not Wild West Cuog! The free migration of labor and capital is the baseline. I assume they teach economis at Cuog. Every single impediment is an inefficiency. Some of those are warranted, some are not. People and governments have different views of them for varying reasons. But labor and capital finding one another in the market with no impediments is the baseline.
As for our situation, I have yet to hear a cogent argument, in the Tug or elsewhere, about the evils of letting in cheap labor other than exaggerated / made-up stories of legions of Mexicans getting free bennies from the Fed that are denied to our veterans.
Bullshit or not, that's not an economic argument in any event. On that front, all I see are posts with conclusory statements about the depressing effects on wages for low-skilled domestic workers (no shit?) made by fellow Tugmen whose homes are full of cheap shit imported from Mexico and China. Apparently the domestic manufacturer isn't on their minds. So, I'm not persuaded.
I think they are gross.
It aint the hotties coming
Did you just call @creepycoug que feo? What a dick you are Bitchfork.
I apologize since you’ve already addressed this once today. You are very good at explaining markets and micro economics.
In summation:
The Right: Free markets work best! Except internationally, we need to control international markets.
The Left: Free markets work best! Except domestically, we need to control domestic markets.
Doog_Bot: *sigh*
I'd Pinochet the lot of you if I didn't believe in the universality of human rights.
Also in summation, using government to control markets (through taxes, tariffs, and regulations) is futile and self-defeating in both international and domestic markets.
No matter how sanctimonious or self-righteous you are, you are not changing the laws of nature.
CD, I think we've got to quit over simplifying the free trade debate discussion. China is a much different animal when it comes our national interests, than, say opening up our markets to Japan or Germany which are both liberal democracies and close allies. Did you know that back in the 1980's when the domestic automakers were getting hammered by Japanese imports, we were able to reach an agreement with Japan where Toyota, HondoFS, etc started opening up plants in the US? They were a close ally and willing to work with us to save some jerbs in America. Hell, my wife's MDX is made by a bunch of cousin fuckers down in Bammer. China doesn't want to be cooperative because they are a mercantilist, dictatorship bent on displacing the US the the sole superpower.
Two thoughts respectively:
a) the product of #winning
b) I don't recall my source, but I've never forgot ... in the course of human history, every time a super power has attempted to overtake another super power, it's talked in a bit fucking war
the liberal methodology of shaming people into a particular behavior pattern isn't going to work here
But in the nuclear age can 2 super powers ever get into a full blown war? We got close once but for the most part the bomb is a pretty strong deterrent.
When two tribes go to war one is all that you can score.
Goddamnit Damone! Frankie Goes to Hollywood? FML for knowing that.
I apologize since you’ve already addressed this once today. You are very good at explaining markets and micro economics.
In summation:
The Right: Free markets work best! Except internationally, we need to control international markets.
The Left: Free markets work best! Except domestically, we need to control domestic markets.
Doog_Bot: *sigh*
I'd Pinochet the lot of you if I didn't believe in the universality of human rights.
Also in summation, using government to control markets (through taxes, tariffs, and regulations) is futile and self-defeating in both international and domestic markets.
No matter how sanctimonious or self-righteous you are, you are not changing the laws of nature.
CD, I think we've got to quit over simplifying the free trade debate discussion. China is a much different animal when it comes our national interests, than, say opening up our markets to Japan or Germany which are both liberal democracies and close allies. Did you know that back in the 1980's when the domestic automakers were getting hammered by Japanese imports, we were able to reach an agreement with Japan where Toyota, HondoFS, etc started opening up plants in the US? They were a close ally and willing to work with us to save some jerbs in America. Hell, my wife's MDX is made by a bunch of cousin fuckers down in Bammer. China doesn't want to be cooperative because they are a mercantilist, dictatorship bent on displacing the US the the sole superpower.
So let’s pay more for consumer goods, destroy markets and undermine the 60 year old trade liberation infrastructure while trump sorts out a “deal” with “enforcement”?
Now hold on a second...
China entered the WTO in 2001. Average GDP growth per year in the US was way higher in the period 1945- 2001 than it's been sense. We had plenty of free trade with other global trading partners prior to 2001. It ain't FREE TRADE if the other side ain't FREE. I love buying shit from Japan, Mexico, Germany, Vietnam, etc. Fuck China.
So based on current and historical data, we don’t need a trade agreement with China, tariffs and trade wars are fucking stupid and free people in free markets will always win? That’s what I’ve been saying. Fuck China. The US with California has and will always win without this trumptardian protectionism, isolationism, and ridiculous “trade deal.”
I love how this dipshit thinks intellectual property theft is part of a "free market."
Just as He believes hiring no skilled fence jumpers for .30 on the dollar is free market as well.
That is free market. The opposite of that is China.
In the Wild West era, sure.gif.
No, not Wild West Cuog! The free migration of labor and capital is the baseline. I assume they teach economis at Cuog. Every single impediment is an inefficiency. Some of those are warranted, some are not. People and governments have different views of them for varying reasons. But labor and capital finding one another in the market with no impediments is the baseline.
As for our situation, I have yet to hear a cogent argument, in the Tug or elsewhere, about the evils of letting in cheap labor other than exaggerated / made-up stories of legions of Mexicans getting free bennies from the Fed that are denied to our veterans.
Bullshit or not, that's not an economic argument in any event. On that front, all I see are posts with conclusory statements about the depressing effects on wages for low-skilled domestic workers (no shit?) made by fellow Tugmen whose homes are full of cheap shit imported from Mexico and China. Apparently the domestic manufacturer isn't on their minds. So, I'm not persuaded.
I think they are gross.
It aint the hotties coming
Did you just call @creepycoug que feo? What a dick you are Bitchfork.
I apologize since you’ve already addressed this once today. You are very good at explaining markets and micro economics.
In summation:
The Right: Free markets work best! Except internationally, we need to control international markets.
The Left: Free markets work best! Except domestically, we need to control domestic markets.
Doog_Bot: *sigh*
I'd Pinochet the lot of you if I didn't believe in the universality of human rights.
Also in summation, using government to control markets (through taxes, tariffs, and regulations) is futile and self-defeating in both international and domestic markets.
No matter how sanctimonious or self-righteous you are, you are not changing the laws of nature.
CD, I think we've got to quit over simplifying the free trade debate discussion. China is a much different animal when it comes our national interests, than, say opening up our markets to Japan or Germany which are both liberal democracies and close allies. Did you know that back in the 1980's when the domestic automakers were getting hammered by Japanese imports, we were able to reach an agreement with Japan where Toyota, HondoFS, etc started opening up plants in the US? They were a close ally and willing to work with us to save some jerbs in America. Hell, my wife's MDX is made by a bunch of cousin fuckers down in Bammer. China doesn't want to be cooperative because they are a mercantilist, dictatorship bent on displacing the US the the sole superpower.
So let’s pay more for consumer goods, destroy markets and undermine the 60 year old trade liberation infrastructure while trump sorts out a “deal” with “enforcement”?
Now hold on a second...
China entered the WTO in 2001. Average GDP growth per year in the US was way higher in the period 1945- 2001 than it's been sense. We had plenty of free trade with other global trading partners prior to 2001. It ain't FREE TRADE if the other side ain't FREE. I love buying shit from Japan, Mexico, Germany, Vietnam, etc. Fuck China.
So based on current and historical data, we don’t need a trade agreement with China, tariffs and trade wars are fucking stupid and free people in free markets will always win? That’s what I’ve been saying. Fuck China. The US with California has and will always win without this trumptardian protectionism, isolationism, and ridiculous “trade deal.”
I love how this dipshit thinks intellectual property theft is part of a "free market."
Just as He believes hiring no skilled fence jumpers for .30 on the dollar is free market as well.
That is free market. The opposite of that is China.
In the Wild West era, sure.gif.
No, not Wild West Cuog! The free migration of labor and capital is the baseline. I assume they teach economis at Cuog. Every single impediment is an inefficiency. Some of those are warranted, some are not. People and governments have different views of them for varying reasons. But labor and capital finding one another in the market with no impediments is the baseline.
As for our situation, I have yet to hear a cogent argument, in the Tug or elsewhere, about the evils of letting in cheap labor other than exaggerated / made-up stories of legions of Mexicans getting free bennies from the Fed that are denied to our veterans.
Bullshit or not, that's not an economic argument in any event. On that front, all I see are posts with conclusory statements about the depressing effects on wages for low-skilled domestic workers (no shit?) made by fellow Tugmen whose homes are full of cheap shit imported from Mexico and China. Apparently the domestic manufacturer isn't on their minds. So, I'm not persuaded.
I think they are gross.
It aint the hotties coming
Did you just call @creepycoug que feo? What a dick you are Bitchfork.
Benny, how would you address these problems with China alternatively though? The simple fact is that they need our market a lot more than we need theirs. Supply chains are already moving away from China as cheap labor dries up and as the population begins to age. Vietnam, India, etc. Opening our markets to them(which once upon a time I believed in) has failed to do anything other than create a neo-facist almost super power in the world.
Sorry not sorry, a little short term pain for American consumers is a small price to pay to avoid a world dominated by the CCP. It's definitely preferable to world war 3 nuclear bugaloo. Happy to hear the alternative method to bring the CCP to heel that's better. Convince me and I'll advocate for that.
I mean, that's it right there. That's the point of it.
Like Trump, hate Trump, whatever Trump. Whomever is making a play to solve this, you can only evaluate the play after you ask yourself two questions: (1) is there anything about our economic relationship with the Chinese that's long-term detrimental to American interests (I assume we all agree "yes" here); and (2) what levers do we? have to pull?
I am not a Trump guy, and I don't reflexively respond to Tuff talk and bravado. But taking a hard line with China, now, as opposed to when we need them more than they need us, is not the dumbest thing I've ever heard.
Recognize, too, that there is a Yuge cultural issue here. We walk, talk and act like Western Europeans. We understand each other for obvious reasons and can thus appeal to each other's sense of fairness, right, wrong, etc. When someone from Western Europe is fucking you, he knows he's fucking you, and he knows you know that he knows.
The Chinese are a different animal. I've dealt with their import bureaucracy and layers and layers of "agents" whom you need to hire to get you from the dock to their markets. Everybody has their hand out there, and what we consider dishonesty is a routine day at the office for them. They're different. Not better or worse, but different. For that reason, I've always been as cynical about talking shit out with them as I was about Trumpy's chances with fatboy. Ain't gonna work. You gotta him 'em where it hurts. This is a population of people who can still remember what it's like to starve. This isn't about diplomacy. It's free market economis. You do what you're in a position to do, and you take what you're in a position to have to take. It's that simple.
It's not personally Sonny. It's just business.
I just finished this thread. @creepycoug won this one rather easily. This being the gem poast, but all the rest of his are very impressive. After almost three years here, how did I miss your insight? I'm not gay, but I'd probably let Dennis do me. You may have made the list too.
Many strong poasts from others. To bad Hondo showed up and the thread died.
This is a GOOD thread. Thank @YellowSnow. Your game was pretty strong too.
Benny, how would you address these problems with China alternatively though? The simple fact is that they need our market a lot more than we need theirs. Supply chains are already moving away from China as cheap labor dries up and as the population begins to age. Vietnam, India, etc. Opening our markets to them(which once upon a time I believed in) has failed to do anything other than create a neo-facist almost super power in the world.
Sorry not sorry, a little short term pain for American consumers is a small price to pay to avoid a world dominated by the CCP. It's definitely preferable to world war 3 nuclear bugaloo. Happy to hear the alternative method to bring the CCP to heel that's better. Convince me and I'll advocate for that.
I mean, that's it right there. That's the point of it.
Like Trump, hate Trump, whatever Trump. Whomever is making a play to solve this, you can only evaluate the play after you ask yourself two questions: (1) is there anything about our economic relationship with the Chinese that's long-term detrimental to American interests (I assume we all agree "yes" here); and (2) what levers do we? have to pull?
I am not a Trump guy, and I don't reflexively respond to Tuff talk and bravado. But taking a hard line with China, now, as opposed to when we need them more than they need us, is not the dumbest thing I've ever heard.
Recognize, too, that there is a Yuge cultural issue here. We walk, talk and act like Western Europeans. We understand each other for obvious reasons and can thus appeal to each other's sense of fairness, right, wrong, etc. When someone from Western Europe is fucking you, he knows he's fucking you, and he knows you know that he knows.
The Chinese are a different animal. I've dealt with their import bureaucracy and layers and layers of "agents" whom you need to hire to get you from the dock to their markets. Everybody has their hand out there, and what we consider dishonesty is a routine day at the office for them. They're different. Not better or worse, but different. For that reason, I've always been as cynical about talking shit out with them as I was about Trumpy's chances with fatboy. Ain't gonna work. You gotta him 'em where it hurts. This is a population of people who can still remember what it's like to starve. This isn't about diplomacy. It's free market economis. You do what you're in a position to do, and you take what you're in a position to have to take. It's that simple.
It's not personally Sonny. It's just business.
I just finished this thread. @creepycoug won this one rather easily. This being the gem poast, but all the rest of his are very impressive. After almost three years here, how did I miss your insight? I'm not gay, but I'd probably let Dennis do me. You may have made the list too.
Many strong poasts from others. To bad Hondo showed up and the thread died.
This is a GOOD thread. Thank @YellowSnow. Your game was pretty strong too.
Benny, how would you address these problems with China alternatively though? The simple fact is that they need our market a lot more than we need theirs. Supply chains are already moving away from China as cheap labor dries up and as the population begins to age. Vietnam, India, etc. Opening our markets to them(which once upon a time I believed in) has failed to do anything other than create a neo-facist almost super power in the world.
Sorry not sorry, a little short term pain for American consumers is a small price to pay to avoid a world dominated by the CCP. It's definitely preferable to world war 3 nuclear bugaloo. Happy to hear the alternative method to bring the CCP to heel that's better. Convince me and I'll advocate for that.
I mean, that's it right there. That's the point of it.
Like Trump, hate Trump, whatever Trump. Whomever is making a play to solve this, you can only evaluate the play after you ask yourself two questions: (1) is there anything about our economic relationship with the Chinese that's long-term detrimental to American interests (I assume we all agree "yes" here); and (2) what levers do we? have to pull?
I am not a Trump guy, and I don't reflexively respond to Tuff talk and bravado. But taking a hard line with China, now, as opposed to when we need them more than they need us, is not the dumbest thing I've ever heard.
Recognize, too, that there is a Yuge cultural issue here. We walk, talk and act like Western Europeans. We understand each other for obvious reasons and can thus appeal to each other's sense of fairness, right, wrong, etc. When someone from Western Europe is fucking you, he knows he's fucking you, and he knows you know that he knows.
The Chinese are a different animal. I've dealt with their import bureaucracy and layers and layers of "agents" whom you need to hire to get you from the dock to their markets. Everybody has their hand out there, and what we consider dishonesty is a routine day at the office for them. They're different. Not better or worse, but different. For that reason, I've always been as cynical about talking shit out with them as I was about Trumpy's chances with fatboy. Ain't gonna work. You gotta him 'em where it hurts. This is a population of people who can still remember what it's like to starve. This isn't about diplomacy. It's free market economis. You do what you're in a position to do, and you take what you're in a position to have to take. It's that simple.
It's not personally Sonny. It's just business.
I just finished this thread. @creepycoug won this one rather easily. This being the gem poast, but all the rest of his are very impressive. After almost three years here, how did I miss your insight? I'm not gay, but I'd probably let Dennis do me. You may have made the list too.
Many strong poasts from others. To bad Hondo showed up and the thread died.
This is a GOOD thread. Thank @YellowSnow. Your game was pretty strong too.
Benny, how would you address these problems with China alternatively though? The simple fact is that they need our market a lot more than we need theirs. Supply chains are already moving away from China as cheap labor dries up and as the population begins to age. Vietnam, India, etc. Opening our markets to them(which once upon a time I believed in) has failed to do anything other than create a neo-facist almost super power in the world.
Sorry not sorry, a little short term pain for American consumers is a small price to pay to avoid a world dominated by the CCP. It's definitely preferable to world war 3 nuclear bugaloo. Happy to hear the alternative method to bring the CCP to heel that's better. Convince me and I'll advocate for that.
I mean, that's it right there. That's the point of it.
Like Trump, hate Trump, whatever Trump. Whomever is making a play to solve this, you can only evaluate the play after you ask yourself two questions: (1) is there anything about our economic relationship with the Chinese that's long-term detrimental to American interests (I assume we all agree "yes" here); and (2) what levers do we? have to pull?
I am not a Trump guy, and I don't reflexively respond to Tuff talk and bravado. But taking a hard line with China, now, as opposed to when we need them more than they need us, is not the dumbest thing I've ever heard.
Recognize, too, that there is a Yuge cultural issue here. We walk, talk and act like Western Europeans. We understand each other for obvious reasons and can thus appeal to each other's sense of fairness, right, wrong, etc. When someone from Western Europe is fucking you, he knows he's fucking you, and he knows you know that he knows.
The Chinese are a different animal. I've dealt with their import bureaucracy and layers and layers of "agents" whom you need to hire to get you from the dock to their markets. Everybody has their hand out there, and what we consider dishonesty is a routine day at the office for them. They're different. Not better or worse, but different. For that reason, I've always been as cynical about talking shit out with them as I was about Trumpy's chances with fatboy. Ain't gonna work. You gotta him 'em where it hurts. This is a population of people who can still remember what it's like to starve. This isn't about diplomacy. It's free market economis. You do what you're in a position to do, and you take what you're in a position to have to take. It's that simple.
It's not personally Sonny. It's just business.
I just finished this thread. @creepycoug won this one rather easily. This being the gem poast, but all the rest of his are very impressive. After almost three years here, how did I miss your insight? I'm not gay, but I'd probably let Dennis do me. You may have made the list too.
Many strong poasts from others. To bad Hondo showed up and the thread died.
This is a GOOD thread. Thank @YellowSnow. Your game was pretty strong too.
Both parties but especially the Rats starting with Clinton have been bending over for the Chi Coms. They've been stealing us blind for years now and we have done nothing. CD is just a fucking crank with no answers and a raft of strawman ass fucks. No one is claiming that tariffs equal free trade or any of the other laundry list of crap he cites. Ask him what should be done about China IP theft and you'll get another one of his sweet Kunt acts. The guy has nothing.
Can you read? I told you skilled and educated Americans in California eat the Chinese for lunch every day. Better product. Better service. Better skills. That’s why you don’t get it. That’s why you are a failure. So sorry for you.
No answer but lots of mouth. Huawei, the Chinese tech company is currently the world’s biggest supplier of telecom network equipment and the number two cellphone producer. They had $100 Billion in revenue last year and they've been stealing from us for over decade. Gosh and CD the ignorant Kunt claimed that California was eating China's lunch. I "get" that you have nothing but your ignorant mouth.
Again, I’m sorry you don’t have the skills or capabilities to compete. It’s not a problem in capital markets. We win. Sounds like you’ve made a lot of poor life decisions Bob.
Except that we historically have these notions that inventors and innovators should get paid for doing so. The Chinese don't. In fact, per Marxist doctrine IP is all property of the state anyways. This is why China can't innovate shit. So they steal it from everyone else. Pretending it's not a problem with some defense of free markets is kind of disingenuous. Doubly so when they have actual detention camps with slave labor all over XinJiang and Tibet.
Good points. David Ricardo had it right though. Highly skilled and competitive US labor will beat China every single time. A tariff regime defeats our advantage and reduces us to the level of mercantilists and protectionists. We are better off innovating, leading, producing and winning. The alternative is to reduce ourselves to the lowest common denominator of trumptardism. .
Except that in the age of the internet innovation travels across the globe in seconds. Never mind that additionally Chinese state and state sponsored actors are actively sabotaging and stealing anything we innovate.
In my industry we are literally attacked by Chinese malware/spyware every, single, fucking day.
Did you watch the video I posted the other day of a four star general with a phd in economics discussing this?
Comments
Link plz
As for our situation, I have yet to hear a cogent argument, in the Tug or elsewhere, about the evils of letting in cheap labor other than exaggerated / made-up stories of legions of Mexicans getting free bennies from the Fed that are denied to our veterans.
Bullshit or not, that's not an economic argument in any event. On that front, all I see are posts with conclusory statements about the depressing effects on wages for low-skilled domestic workers (no shit?) made by fellow Tugmen whose homes are full of cheap shit imported from Mexico and China. Apparently the domestic manufacturer isn't on their minds. So, I'm not persuaded.
Double the current price?
Triple?
Moar?
How 'bout them apples?
a) the product of #winning
b) I don't recall my source, but I've never forgot ... in the course of human history, every time a super power has attempted to overtake another super power, it's talked in a bit fucking war
the liberal methodology of shaming people into a particular behavior pattern isn't going to work here
It aint the hotties coming
Many strong poasts from others. To bad Hondo showed up and the thread died.
This is a GOOD thread. Thank @YellowSnow. Your game was pretty strong too.
Mayor Yella does it again!