Benny, how would you address these problems with China alternatively though? The simple fact is that they need our market a lot more than we need theirs. Supply chains are already moving away from China as cheap labor dries up and as the population begins to age. Vietnam, India, etc. Opening our markets to them(which once upon a time I believed in) has failed to do anything other than create a neo-facist almost super power in the world.
Sorry not sorry, a little short term pain for American consumers is a small price to pay to avoid a world dominated by the CCP. It's definitely preferable to world war 3 nuclear bugaloo. Happy to hear the alternative method to bring the CCP to heel that's better. Convince me and I'll advocate for that.
I’m not advocating for any other policy, just illustrating the effects tariffs are having on my industry, and in turn the 🇺🇸 consumer.
In all seriousness, it sounds like you're a tool, then. Diversify your sourcing, stop being a tool and make yourself less dependent and vulnerable to tariffs, if you can. We all gotta tighten our belts sometimes.
Thank you Captain Obvious.
Resourcing is not like flipping a switch, not when you are beholden to safety and quality standards. Dual sourcing has it's benefits but also detriments, like not maximizing your purchasing power.
Either way, the tariffs will hit you in the wallet.
From China? laughing Bolton gif
That shitty air that has us only having 12 years to live is a direct result of companies closing their eyes to how the shit they buy from China is made
But AMERICA pulled out of the Paris Accords!!!!!!!!
NO NOT FROM CHINA YOU FUCKING BELLEND.
Do you have any idea what ISO or QS or IATF means? Rhetorical question. Carpet layers would have not clue.
I'm a black belt and have run programs in India and China. Sure, it's a bitch to change over but how do you think those suppliers ended up in China in the first place? They weren't there 20-30 years ago.
Black belt? Neato.
Sure, it's a bitch to change over...that's what I've said multiple tims...
Some in this thread (you know who) have a very, very simplistic view of what it is required to be a world-class manufacturing leader. Equate it to a simple import of trinkets. No fucking clue.
FM for explaining how these tariffs will effect them.
CHINA BAD. ME NO LIKE CHEAP SHIT FROM CHINA.
All the while they have been benefiting from goods produced there.
Why are you taking China's side in the Trade War? Traitor.
Benny, how would you address these problems with China alternatively though? The simple fact is that they need our market a lot more than we need theirs. Supply chains are already moving away from China as cheap labor dries up and as the population begins to age. Vietnam, India, etc. Opening our markets to them(which once upon a time I believed in) has failed to do anything other than create a neo-facist almost super power in the world.
Sorry not sorry, a little short term pain for American consumers is a small price to pay to avoid a world dominated by the CCP. It's definitely preferable to world war 3 nuclear bugaloo. Happy to hear the alternative method to bring the CCP to heel that's better. Convince me and I'll advocate for that.
I’m not advocating for any other policy, just illustrating the effects tariffs are having on my industry, and in turn the 🇺🇸 consumer.
In all seriousness, it sounds like you're a tool, then. Diversify your sourcing, stop being a tool and make yourself less dependent and vulnerable to tariffs, if you can. We all gotta tighten our belts sometimes.
Thank you Captain Obvious.
Resourcing is not like flipping a switch, not when you are beholden to safety and quality standards. Dual sourcing has it's benefits but also detriments, like not maximizing your purchasing power.
Either way, the tariffs will hit you in the wallet.
I already pay for American Blue Jeans, punk. They're worth every penny and not subject to tariffs, so I'm fine.
So how do your Wrangler's get from that American factory to you house?
I apologize since you’ve already addressed this once today. You are very good at explaining markets and micro economics.
In summation:
The Right: Free markets work best! Except internationally, we need to control international markets.
The Left: Free markets work best! Except domestically, we need to control domestic markets.
Doog_Bot: *sigh*
I'd Pinochet the lot of you if I didn't believe in the universality of human rights.
Also in summation, using government to control markets (through taxes, tariffs, and regulations) is futile and self-defeating in both international and domestic markets.
No matter how sanctimonious or self-righteous you are, you are not changing the laws of nature.
CD, I think we've got to quit over simplifying the free trade debate discussion. China is a much different animal when it comes our national interests, than, say opening up our markets to Japan or Germany which are both liberal democracies and close allies. Did you know that back in the 1980's when the domestic automakers were getting hammered by Japanese imports, we were able to reach an agreement with Japan where Toyota, HondoFS, etc started opening up plants in the US? They were a close ally and willing to work with us to save some jerbs in America. Hell, my wife's MDX is made by a bunch of cousin fuckers down in Bammer. China doesn't want to be cooperative because they are a mercantilist, dictatorship bent on displacing the US the the sole superpower.
Benny, how would you address these problems with China alternatively though? The simple fact is that they need our market a lot more than we need theirs. Supply chains are already moving away from China as cheap labor dries up and as the population begins to age. Vietnam, India, etc. Opening our markets to them(which once upon a time I believed in) has failed to do anything other than create a neo-facist almost super power in the world.
Sorry not sorry, a little short term pain for American consumers is a small price to pay to avoid a world dominated by the CCP. It's definitely preferable to world war 3 nuclear bugaloo. Happy to hear the alternative method to bring the CCP to heel that's better. Convince me and I'll advocate for that.
I’m not advocating for any other policy, just illustrating the effects tariffs are having on my industry, and in turn the 🇺🇸 consumer.
In all seriousness, it sounds like you're a tool, then. Diversify your sourcing, stop being a tool and make yourself less dependent and vulnerable to tariffs, if you can. We all gotta tighten our belts sometimes.
Thank you Captain Obvious.
Resourcing is not like flipping a switch, not when you are beholden to safety and quality standards. Dual sourcing has it's benefits but also detriments, like not maximizing your purchasing power.
Either way, the tariffs will hit you in the wallet.
From China? laughing Bolton gif
That shitty air that has us only having 12 years to live is a direct result of companies closing their eyes to how the shit they buy from China is made
But AMERICA pulled out of the Paris Accords!!!!!!!!
NO NOT FROM CHINA YOU FUCKING BELLEND.
Do you have any idea what ISO or QS or IATF means? Rhetorical question. Carpet layers would have not clue.
I'm a black belt and have run programs in India and China. Sure, it's a bitch to change over but how do you think those suppliers ended up in China in the first place? They weren't there 20-30 years ago.
Black belt? Neato.
Sure, it's a bitch to change over...that's what I've said multiple tims...
Some in this thread (you know who) have a very, very simplistic view of what it is required to be a world-class manufacturing leader. Equate it to a simple import of trinkets. No fucking clue.
FM for explaining how these tariffs will effect them.
CHINA BAD. ME NO LIKE CHEAP SHIT FROM CHINA.
All the while they have been benefiting from goods produced there.
Why are you taking China's side in the Trade War? Traitor.
Instead of reading and thinking, you intentionally derail the discussion by oversimplifying, misstating facts, ad hominem attacks and obfuscation. It's your shtick, over and over again. Thread after thread. Day after day. Year after year. Painstakingly boring, but it must give you some joy. Congrats.
Benny, how would you address these problems with China alternatively though? The simple fact is that they need our market a lot more than we need theirs. Supply chains are already moving away from China as cheap labor dries up and as the population begins to age. Vietnam, India, etc. Opening our markets to them(which once upon a time I believed in) has failed to do anything other than create a neo-facist almost super power in the world.
Sorry not sorry, a little short term pain for American consumers is a small price to pay to avoid a world dominated by the CCP. It's definitely preferable to world war 3 nuclear bugaloo. Happy to hear the alternative method to bring the CCP to heel that's better. Convince me and I'll advocate for that.
I’m not advocating for any other policy, just illustrating the effects tariffs are having on my industry, and in turn the 🇺🇸 consumer.
Stipulated. Tarriffs suck. They are inefficient. They are an externality to what would otherwise be an efficient trade transaction.
But national trade policy, theirs and ours, is its own inefficiency, but it's as real as the nose on your face.
Listen, you are preaching to the choir here. But when the deal isn't fair and you have to eat more shit than the other guy, it's not a horrible thing to throw a punch.
Long-term, no question; protectionist policy will cause us to rot from the inside out. Short-term?
If this were just about an unfair trade deal I'd be more sympathetic the anti-tariff side but at this point what other sticks do we have to deal with China's rampant theft?
None. I think cultural differences make sitting down at the table with China unrealistic. They'll nod their heads in agreement on some things, obstinately refuse to discuss others, and in the end, the facts will show they were never going to give an inch.
Benny is a super serious poster guys. No one liners please
He's making really great points here
Instead of reading and thinking, you intentionally derail the discussion by oversimplifying, misstating facts, ad hominem attacks and obfuscation. It's your shtick, over and over again. Thread after thread. Day after day. Year after year. Painstakingly boring, but it must give you some joy. Congrats.
Benny is a super serious poster guys. No one liners please
He's making really great points here
Instead of reading and thinking, you intentionally derail the discussion by oversimplifying, misstating facts, ad hominem attacks and obfuscation. It's your shtick, over and over again. Thread after thread. Day after day. Year after year. Painstakingly boring, but it must give you some joy. Congrats.
Ironic
Guys leave benny alone. He's a top salesman
Instead of reading and thinking, you intentionally derail the discussion by oversimplifying, misstating facts, ad hominem attacks and obfuscation. It's your shtick, over and over again. Thread after thread. Day after day. Year after year. Painstakingly boring, but it must give you some joy. Congrats.
Benny, how would you address these problems with China alternatively though? The simple fact is that they need our market a lot more than we need theirs. Supply chains are already moving away from China as cheap labor dries up and as the population begins to age. Vietnam, India, etc. Opening our markets to them(which once upon a time I believed in) has failed to do anything other than create a neo-facist almost super power in the world.
Sorry not sorry, a little short term pain for American consumers is a small price to pay to avoid a world dominated by the CCP. It's definitely preferable to world war 3 nuclear bugaloo. Happy to hear the alternative method to bring the CCP to heel that's better. Convince me and I'll advocate for that.
I’m not advocating for any other policy, just illustrating the effects tariffs are having on my industry, and in turn the 🇺🇸 consumer.
In all seriousness, it sounds like you're a tool, then. Diversify your sourcing, stop being a tool and make yourself less dependent and vulnerable to tariffs, if you can. We all gotta tighten our belts sometimes.
Thank you Captain Obvious.
Resourcing is not like flipping a switch, not when you are beholden to safety and quality standards. Dual sourcing has it's benefits but also detriments, like not maximizing your purchasing power.
Either way, the tariffs will hit you in the wallet.
I already pay for American Blue Jeans, punk. They're worth every penny and not subject to tariffs, so I'm fine.
So how do your Wrangler's get from that American factory to you house?
Most Wrangler's are Messican-made, genius. Try again. Or don't. It could take you weeks to figure out.
Benny, how would you address these problems with China alternatively though? The simple fact is that they need our market a lot more than we need theirs. Supply chains are already moving away from China as cheap labor dries up and as the population begins to age. Vietnam, India, etc. Opening our markets to them(which once upon a time I believed in) has failed to do anything other than create a neo-facist almost super power in the world.
Sorry not sorry, a little short term pain for American consumers is a small price to pay to avoid a world dominated by the CCP. It's definitely preferable to world war 3 nuclear bugaloo. Happy to hear the alternative method to bring the CCP to heel that's better. Convince me and I'll advocate for that.
I’m not advocating for any other policy, just illustrating the effects tariffs are having on my industry, and in turn the 🇺🇸 consumer.
Stipulated. Tarriffs suck. They are inefficient. They are an externality to what would otherwise be an efficient trade transaction.
But national trade policy, theirs and ours, is its own inefficiency, but it's as real as the nose on your face.
Listen, you are preaching to the choir here. But when the deal isn't fair and you have to eat more shit than the other guy, it's not a horrible thing to throw a punch.
Long-term, no question; protectionist policy will cause us to rot from the inside out. Short-term?
If this were just about an unfair trade deal I'd be more sympathetic the anti-tariff side but at this point what other sticks do we have to deal with China's rampant theft?
None. I think cultural differences make sitting down at the table with China unrealistic. They'll nod their heads in agreement on some things, obstinately refuse to discuss others, and in the end, the facts will show they were never going to give an inch.
Agree, I hope the trade war escalates and we see Chinese recession. Better now than even further down the debt bubble trail.
Jimminy Christmas - what have I done?! 76 replies and all I wanted to do was post a severed horse head gif for @creepycoug
I"m just happy someone else is using "Jimminy Christmas".
You're welcome.
Instead of reading and thinking, you intentionally derail the discussion by oversimplifying, misstating facts, ad hominem attacks and obfuscation. It's your shtick, over and over again. Thread after thread. Day after day. Year after year. Painstakingly boring, but it must give you some joy. Congrats.
Benny is a super serious poster guys. No one liners please
He's making really great points here
Instead of reading and thinking, you intentionally derail the discussion by oversimplifying, misstating facts, ad hominem attacks and obfuscation. It's your shtick, over and over again. Thread after thread. Day after day. Year after year. Painstakingly boring, but it must give you some joy. Congrats.
Ironic
Guys leave benny alone. He's a top salesman
Instead of reading and thinking, you intentionally derail the discussion by oversimplifying, misstating facts, ad hominem attacks and obfuscation. It's your shtick, over and over again. Thread after thread. Day after day. Year after year. Painstakingly boring, but it must give you some joy. Congrats.
Benny, how would you address these problems with China alternatively though? The simple fact is that they need our market a lot more than we need theirs. Supply chains are already moving away from China as cheap labor dries up and as the population begins to age. Vietnam, India, etc. Opening our markets to them(which once upon a time I believed in) has failed to do anything other than create a neo-facist almost super power in the world.
Sorry not sorry, a little short term pain for American consumers is a small price to pay to avoid a world dominated by the CCP. It's definitely preferable to world war 3 nuclear bugaloo. Happy to hear the alternative method to bring the CCP to heel that's better. Convince me and I'll advocate for that.
I’m not advocating for any other policy, just illustrating the effects tariffs are having on my industry, and in turn the 🇺🇸 consumer.
Stipulated. Tarriffs suck. They are inefficient. They are an externality to what would otherwise be an efficient trade transaction.
But national trade policy, theirs and ours, is its own inefficiency, but it's as real as the nose on your face.
Listen, you are preaching to the choir here. But when the deal isn't fair and you have to eat more shit than the other guy, it's not a horrible thing to throw a punch.
Long-term, no question; protectionist policy will cause us to rot from the inside out. Short-term?
If this were just about an unfair trade deal I'd be more sympathetic the anti-tariff side but at this point what other sticks do we have to deal with China's rampant theft?
None. I think cultural differences make sitting down at the table with China unrealistic. They'll nod their heads in agreement on some things, obstinately refuse to discuss others, and in the end, the facts will show they were never going to give an inch.
Chinese girls are so gentle They're really such a tease You never know quite what they're cookin' Inside those silky sleeves
Benny, how would you address these problems with China alternatively though? The simple fact is that they need our market a lot more than we need theirs. Supply chains are already moving away from China as cheap labor dries up and as the population begins to age. Vietnam, India, etc. Opening our markets to them(which once upon a time I believed in) has failed to do anything other than create a neo-facist almost super power in the world.
Sorry not sorry, a little short term pain for American consumers is a small price to pay to avoid a world dominated by the CCP. It's definitely preferable to world war 3 nuclear bugaloo. Happy to hear the alternative method to bring the CCP to heel that's better. Convince me and I'll advocate for that.
I’m not advocating for any other policy, just illustrating the effects tariffs are having on my industry, and in turn the 🇺🇸 consumer.
In all seriousness, it sounds like you're a tool, then. Diversify your sourcing, stop being a tool and make yourself less dependent and vulnerable to tariffs, if you can. We all gotta tighten our belts sometimes.
Thank you Captain Obvious.
Resourcing is not like flipping a switch, not when you are beholden to safety and quality standards. Dual sourcing has it's benefits but also detriments, like not maximizing your purchasing power.
Either way, the tariffs will hit you in the wallet.
I already pay for American Blue Jeans, punk. They're worth every penny and not subject to tariffs, so I'm fine.
So how do your Wrangler's get from that American factory to you house?
Most Wrangler's are Messican-made, genius. Try again. Or don't. It could take you weeks to figure out.
Excuse me, these are more your style. What country?
Benny, how would you address these problems with China alternatively though? The simple fact is that they need our market a lot more than we need theirs. Supply chains are already moving away from China as cheap labor dries up and as the population begins to age. Vietnam, India, etc. Opening our markets to them(which once upon a time I believed in) has failed to do anything other than create a neo-facist almost super power in the world.
Sorry not sorry, a little short term pain for American consumers is a small price to pay to avoid a world dominated by the CCP. It's definitely preferable to world war 3 nuclear bugaloo. Happy to hear the alternative method to bring the CCP to heel that's better. Convince me and I'll advocate for that.
I’m not advocating for any other policy, just illustrating the effects tariffs are having on my industry, and in turn the 🇺🇸 consumer.
In all seriousness, it sounds like you're a tool, then. Diversify your sourcing, stop being a tool and make yourself less dependent and vulnerable to tariffs, if you can. We all gotta tighten our belts sometimes.
Thank you Captain Obvious.
Resourcing is not like flipping a switch, not when you are beholden to safety and quality standards. Dual sourcing has it's benefits but also detriments, like not maximizing your purchasing power.
Either way, the tariffs will hit you in the wallet.
I already pay for American Blue Jeans, punk. They're worth every penny and not subject to tariffs, so I'm fine.
So how do your Wrangler's get from that American factory to you house?
Most Wrangler's are Messican-made, genius. Try again. Or don't. It could take you weeks to figure out.
Excuse me, these are more your style. What country?
*Cuntry. Christ! Do I have to hold your hand on everything?
Benny is a super serious poster guys. No one liners please
He's making really great points here
Instead of reading and thinking, you intentionally derail the discussion by oversimplifying, misstating facts, ad hominem attacks and obfuscation. It's your shtick, over and over again. Thread after thread. Day after day. Year after year. Painstakingly boring, but it must give you some joy. Congrats.
Ironic
Guys leave benny alone. He's a top salesman
Instead of reading and thinking, you intentionally derail the discussion by oversimplifying, misstating facts, ad hominem attacks and obfuscation. It's your shtick, over and over again. Thread after thread. Day after day. Year after year. Painstakingly boring, but it must give you some joy. Congrats.
I'm trying to have a serious discussion here
Obese orange white trash thud benny
Instead of reading and thinking, you intentionally derail the discussion by oversimplifying, misstating facts, ad hominem attacks and obfuscation. It's your shtick, over and over again. Thread after thread. Day after day. Year after year. Painstakingly boring, but it must give you some joy. Congrats.
Who knows if the new TUFF on China approach will work or not. But we do know that the old approach wasn't.
I like free trade with allies and frens. Maybe China just doesn't want to be our fren.
Something had to be done. Ignoring the problem wasn't working. China's theft of US intellectual property was costing us billions.
Either way it will cost us billions.
My company is being hit with the tariffs. Guess what? In the short-medium term, we aren't going to resource components away from the suppliers. Nope. That takes time and $.
We will pass the tariff along to our customer, who in turn will pass it along to their customer, who will pass it along to their customer, who will pass it along to their customer, who will pass it along to their customer, who will pass it along to the citizens of the US in the form of higher prices.
Assuming they want to by the crap you import from China
I guess white trash needs those cheap knock off stolen goods, right @CirrhosisDawg ?
Be a better business man and stop relying on crap to make a buck
This is just such a dim, myopic view of how goods are manufactured in a global economy.
Our products are made of components sourced from all over the world, including the good ol' USA. Our products/services are recognized as the technological and quality gold standard in the industry, are in high demand and never the cheapest alternative.
We hold a dominant market position of #1 or #2 in almost every product line we produce in every region.
So, we will continue to source components from the best cost country in the short and medium term and pass the 25% tariff on to our customers. As such, the tariff will get passed on to you Mr. Race Bannon in the form of higher prices, because everything you touch in your daily life in the past, present and future will have to utilize our products.
So which is it Benny? Is your company gonna have to move production to Mexico or are they simply going to use another supplier outside of China? And since you sell what sounds like the equivalent of a home based cold fusion reactor, why would you care either way.
Benny, how would you address these problems with China alternatively though? The simple fact is that they need our market a lot more than we need theirs. Supply chains are already moving away from China as cheap labor dries up and as the population begins to age. Vietnam, India, etc. Opening our markets to them(which once upon a time I believed in) has failed to do anything other than create a neo-facist almost super power in the world.
Sorry not sorry, a little short term pain for American consumers is a small price to pay to avoid a world dominated by the CCP. It's definitely preferable to world war 3 nuclear bugaloo. Happy to hear the alternative method to bring the CCP to heel that's better. Convince me and I'll advocate for that.
I’m not advocating for any other policy, just illustrating the effects tariffs are having on my industry, and in turn the 🇺🇸 consumer.
In all seriousness, it sounds like you're a tool, then. Diversify your sourcing, stop being a tool and make yourself less dependent and vulnerable to tariffs, if you can. We all gotta tighten our belts sometimes.
Thank you Captain Obvious.
Resourcing is not like flipping a switch, not when you are beholden to safety and quality standards. Dual sourcing has it's benefits but also detriments, like not maximizing your purchasing power.
Either way, the tariffs will hit you in the wallet.
I already pay for American Blue Jeans, punk. They're worth every penny and not subject to tariffs, so I'm fine.
So how do your Wrangler's get from that American factory to you house?
Most Wrangler's are Messican-made, genius. Try again. Or don't. It could take you weeks to figure out.
Excuse me, these are more your style. What country?
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Guys leave benny alone. He's a top salesman
You're welcome.
Obese orange white trash thud benny
They're really such a tease
You never know quite what they're cookin'
Inside those silky sleeves
And why are you posting kiddy butt? Pedophile.