Who knows if the new TUFF on China approach will work or not. But we do know that the old approach wasn't.
I like free trade with allies and frens. Maybe China just doesn't want to be our fren.
Something had to be done. Ignoring the problem wasn't working. China's theft of US intellectual property was costing us billions.
Either way it will cost us billions.
My company is being hit with the tariffs. Guess what? In the short-medium term, we aren't going to resource components away from the suppliers. Nope. That takes time and $.
We will pass the tariff along to our customer, who in turn will pass it along to their customer, who will pass it along to their customer, who will pass it along to their customer, who will pass it along to their customer, who will pass it along to the citizens of the US in the form of higher prices.
Assuming they want to by the crap you import from China
I guess white trash needs those cheap knock off stolen goods, right @CirrhosisDawg ?
Be a better business man and stop relying on crap to make a buck
This is just such a dim, myopic view of how goods are manufactured in a global economy.
Our products are made of components sourced from all over the world, including the good ol' USA. Our products/services are recognized as the technological and quality gold standard in the industry, are in high demand and never the cheapest alternative.
We hold a dominant market position of #1 or #2 in almost every product line we produce in every region.
So, we will continue to source components from the best cost country in the short and medium term and pass the 25% tariff on to our customers. As such, the tariff will get passed on to you Mr. Race Bannon in the form of higher prices, because everything you touch in your daily life in the past, present and future will have to utilize our products.
I love this global/corporatist bullshit where people like BennieBrainwashed pretend that they care more about my prices being low instead of the exploding profit they make, when something like MacBooks are made in China vs California. The price didn't move an inch, but the profit increased five-fold when manufacturing moved off-shore.
It's all about profit, not quality or low prices, dumbass.
Please stop misrepresenting my words, I'm simply illustrating the effect that tariffs will have.
It's all about profit, that's why we're in business. Therefore, when our costs are increased by 25% by an act we cannot control, we will pass that along to our customers, so we can maintain our profitability. In turn, your costs will increase on everything you touch. Everything.
The other option to avoid the tariffs, is to move more of our production to Mexico. This means the loss of high paying, Union jerbs here in the good ol' USA. This trade policy is just expediting these business decisions.
Who knows if the new TUFF on China approach will work or not. But we do know that the old approach wasn't.
I like free trade with allies and frens. Maybe China just doesn't want to be our fren.
Something had to be done. Ignoring the problem wasn't working. China's theft of US intellectual property was costing us billions.
Either way it will cost us billions.
My company is being hit with the tariffs. Guess what? In the short-medium term, we aren't going to resource components away from the suppliers. Nope. That takes time and $.
We will pass the tariff along to our customer, who in turn will pass it along to their customer, who will pass it along to their customer, who will pass it along to their customer, who will pass it along to their customer, who will pass it along to the citizens of the US in the form of higher prices.
Assuming they want to by the crap you import from China
I guess white trash needs those cheap knock off stolen goods, right @CirrhosisDawg ?
Be a better business man and stop relying on crap to make a buck
This is just such a dim, myopic view of how goods are manufactured in a global economy.
Our products are made of components sourced from all over the world, including the good ol' USA. Our products/services are recognized as the technological and quality gold standard in the industry, are in high demand and never the cheapest alternative.
We hold a dominant market position of #1 or #2 in almost every product line we produce in every region.
So, we will continue to source components from the best cost country in the short and medium term and pass the 25% tariff on to our customers. As such, the tariff will get passed on to you Mr. Race Bannon in the form of higher prices, because everything you touch in your daily life in the past, present and future will have to utilize our products.
I love this global/corporatist bullshit where people like BennieBrainwashed pretend that they care more about my prices being low instead of the exploding profit they make, when something like MacBooks are made in China vs California. The price didn't move an inch, but the profit increased five-fold when manufacturing moved off-shore.
It's all about profit, not quality or low prices, dumbass.
@UW_Doog_Bot do you want to reply to this retard about micro economics? I’m happy to do so myself but you do a good job explaining how supply-demand dynamics clear markets.
Who knows if the new TUFF on China approach will work or not. But we do know that the old approach wasn't.
I like free trade with allies and frens. Maybe China just doesn't want to be our fren.
Something had to be done. Ignoring the problem wasn't working. China's theft of US intellectual property was costing us billions.
Either way it will cost us billions.
My company is being hit with the tariffs. Guess what? In the short-medium term, we aren't going to resource components away from the suppliers. Nope. That takes time and $.
We will pass the tariff along to our customer, who in turn will pass it along to their customer, who will pass it along to their customer, who will pass it along to their customer, who will pass it along to their customer, who will pass it along to the citizens of the US in the form of higher prices.
Assuming they want to by the crap you import from China
I guess white trash needs those cheap knock off stolen goods, right @CirrhosisDawg ?
Be a better business man and stop relying on crap to make a buck
Tariffs equal free trade War is peace $1 billion losses equal profit We have to destroy markets to save them Protectionism equals free markets POTD
Let China steal our IP and like it appears to be CD's answer. Hardly shocking that a Kunt like CD would respond to being violated by bending over even further.
Benny, how would you address these problems with China alternatively though? The simple fact is that they need our market a lot more than we need theirs. Supply chains are already moving away from China as cheap labor dries up and as the population begins to age. Vietnam, India, etc. Opening our markets to them(which once upon a time I believed in) has failed to do anything other than create a neo-facist almost super power in the world.
Sorry not sorry, a little short term pain for American consumers is a small price to pay to avoid a world dominated by the CCP. It's definitely preferable to world war 3 nuclear bugaloo. Happy to hear the alternative method to bring the CCP to heel that's better. Convince me and I'll advocate for that.
Who knows if the new TUFF on China approach will work or not. But we do know that the old approach wasn't.
I like free trade with allies and frens. Maybe China just doesn't want to be our fren.
Something had to be done. Ignoring the problem wasn't working. China's theft of US intellectual property was costing us billions.
Either way it will cost us billions.
My company is being hit with the tariffs. Guess what? In the short-medium term, we aren't going to resource components away from the suppliers. Nope. That takes time and $.
We will pass the tariff along to our customer, who in turn will pass it along to their customer, who will pass it along to their customer, who will pass it along to their customer, who will pass it along to their customer, who will pass it along to the citizens of the US in the form of higher prices.
Assuming they want to by the crap you import from China
I guess white trash needs those cheap knock off stolen goods, right @CirrhosisDawg ?
Be a better business man and stop relying on crap to make a buck
This is just such a dim, myopic view of how goods are manufactured in a global economy.
Our products are made of components sourced from all over the world, including the good ol' USA. Our products/services are recognized as the technological and quality gold standard in the industry, are in high demand and never the cheapest alternative.
We hold a dominant market position of #1 or #2 in almost every product line we produce in every region.
So, we will continue to source components from the best cost country in the short and medium term and pass the 25% tariff on to our customers. As such, the tariff will get passed on to you Mr. Race Bannon in the form of higher prices, because everything you touch in your daily life in the past, present and future will have to utilize our products.
Global economy
Well, stop whining and live with it
The USA is part of the globe.
If you source from all over the world then losing the cheap knock off stolen shit from China shouldn't hurt your party favor business.
You raise something I want 25% I go elsewhere. Its global you know
Where is the whining? I'm just stating the facts, higher costs will get passed on to you, the consumer.
Who is talking about party favors? I'm talking about highly engineered products, designed into products that you cannot live without.
So you get a portion of your party favors from China. But you source from all over the globe. So your total cost isn't going up 25%, only that portion. How much knock off stolen garbage do you use from China? Is there nowhere else on the globe you can get that?
Turd is right, Phil Knight didn't pass the savings of using child labor along to the consumer and I doubt your fireworks company does either.
Who knows if the new TUFF on China approach will work or not. But we do know that the old approach wasn't.
I like free trade with allies and frens. Maybe China just doesn't want to be our fren.
Something had to be done. Ignoring the problem wasn't working. China's theft of US intellectual property was costing us billions.
Either way it will cost us billions.
My company is being hit with the tariffs. Guess what? In the short-medium term, we aren't going to resource components away from the suppliers. Nope. That takes time and $.
We will pass the tariff along to our customer, who in turn will pass it along to their customer, who will pass it along to their customer, who will pass it along to their customer, who will pass it along to their customer, who will pass it along to the citizens of the US in the form of higher prices.
Assuming they want to by the crap you import from China
I guess white trash needs those cheap knock off stolen goods, right @CirrhosisDawg ?
Be a better business man and stop relying on crap to make a buck
This is just such a dim, myopic view of how goods are manufactured in a global economy.
Our products are made of components sourced from all over the world, including the good ol' USA. Our products/services are recognized as the technological and quality gold standard in the industry, are in high demand and never the cheapest alternative.
We hold a dominant market position of #1 or #2 in almost every product line we produce in every region.
So, we will continue to source components from the best cost country in the short and medium term and pass the 25% tariff on to our customers. As such, the tariff will get passed on to you Mr. Race Bannon in the form of higher prices, because everything you touch in your daily life in the past, present and future will have to utilize our products.
I love this global/corporatist bullshit where people like BennieBrainwashed pretend that they care more about my prices being low instead of the exploding profit they make, when something like MacBooks are made in China vs California. The price didn't move an inch, but the profit increased five-fold when manufacturing moved off-shore.
It's all about profit, not quality or low prices, dumbass.
@UW_Doog_Bot do you want to reply to this retard about micro economics? I’m happy to do so myself but you do a good job explaining how supply-demand dynamics clear markets.
Benny, how would you address these problems with China alternatively though? The simple fact is that they need our market a lot more than we need theirs. Supply chains are already moving away from China as cheap labor dries up and as the population begins to age. Vietnam, India, etc. Opening our markets to them(which once upon a time I believed in) has failed to do anything other than create a neo-facist almost super power in the world.
Sorry not sorry, a little short term pain for American consumers is a small price to pay to avoid a world dominated by the CCP. It's definitely preferable to world war 3 nuclear bugaloo. Happy to hear the alternative method to bring the CCP to heel that's better. Convince me and I'll advocate for that.
This was not the answer @CirrhosisDawg was looking for but it is true
Joe Biden will run in 2020 on continuing to bend over for the Chi Coms so we will have a choice
Who knows if the new TUFF on China approach will work or not. But we do know that the old approach wasn't.
I like free trade with allies and frens. Maybe China just doesn't want to be our fren.
Something had to be done. Ignoring the problem wasn't working. China's theft of US intellectual property was costing us billions.
Either way it will cost us billions.
My company is being hit with the tariffs. Guess what? In the short-medium term, we aren't going to resource components away from the suppliers. Nope. That takes time and $.
We will pass the tariff along to our customer, who in turn will pass it along to their customer, who will pass it along to their customer, who will pass it along to their customer, who will pass it along to their customer, who will pass it along to the citizens of the US in the form of higher prices.
Assuming they want to by the crap you import from China
I guess white trash needs those cheap knock off stolen goods, right @CirrhosisDawg ?
Be a better business man and stop relying on crap to make a buck
Tariffs equal free trade War is peace $1 billion losses equal profit We have to destroy markets to save them Protectionism equals free markets POTD
Let China steal our IP and like it appears to be CD's answer. Hardly shocking that a Kunt like CD would respond to being violated by bending over even further.
I’m sorry to hear you are bending over to the Chinese. We crush them in my industry. You know, things like skills and education matter. Ts&Ps Bob.
Who knows if the new TUFF on China approach will work or not. But we do know that the old approach wasn't.
I like free trade with allies and frens. Maybe China just doesn't want to be our fren.
Something had to be done. Ignoring the problem wasn't working. China's theft of US intellectual property was costing us billions.
Either way it will cost us billions.
My company is being hit with the tariffs. Guess what? In the short-medium term, we aren't going to resource components away from the suppliers. Nope. That takes time and $.
We will pass the tariff along to our customer, who in turn will pass it along to their customer, who will pass it along to their customer, who will pass it along to their customer, who will pass it along to their customer, who will pass it along to the citizens of the US in the form of higher prices.
Assuming they want to by the crap you import from China
I guess white trash needs those cheap knock off stolen goods, right @CirrhosisDawg ?
Be a better business man and stop relying on crap to make a buck
Tariffs equal free trade War is peace $1 billion losses equal profit We have to destroy markets to save them Protectionism equals free markets POTD
Let China steal our IP and like it appears to be CD's answer. Hardly shocking that a Kunt like CD would respond to being violated by bending over even further.
I’m sorry to hear you are bending over to the Chinese. We crush them in my industry. You know, things like skills and education matter. Ts&Ps Bob.
Who knows if the new TUFF on China approach will work or not. But we do know that the old approach wasn't.
I like free trade with allies and frens. Maybe China just doesn't want to be our fren.
Something had to be done. Ignoring the problem wasn't working. China's theft of US intellectual property was costing us billions.
Either way it will cost us billions.
My company is being hit with the tariffs. Guess what? In the short-medium term, we aren't going to resource components away from the suppliers. Nope. That takes time and $.
We will pass the tariff along to our customer, who in turn will pass it along to their customer, who will pass it along to their customer, who will pass it along to their customer, who will pass it along to their customer, who will pass it along to the citizens of the US in the form of higher prices.
Assuming they want to by the crap you import from China
I guess white trash needs those cheap knock off stolen goods, right @CirrhosisDawg ?
Be a better business man and stop relying on crap to make a buck
Tariffs equal free trade War is peace $1 billion losses equal profit We have to destroy markets to save them Protectionism equals free markets POTD
Let China steal our IP and like it appears to be CD's answer. Hardly shocking that a Kunt like CD would respond to being violated by bending over even further.
I’m sorry to hear you are bending over to the Chinese. We crush them in my industry. You know, things like skills and education matter. Ts&Ps Bob.
Benny, how would you address these problems with China alternatively though? The simple fact is that they need our market a lot more than we need theirs. Supply chains are already moving away from China as cheap labor dries up and as the population begins to age. Vietnam, India, etc. Opening our markets to them(which once upon a time I believed in) has failed to do anything other than create a neo-facist almost super power in the world.
Sorry not sorry, a little short term pain for American consumers is a small price to pay to avoid a world dominated by the CCP. It's definitely preferable to world war 3 nuclear bugaloo. Happy to hear the alternative method to bring the CCP to heel that's better. Convince me and I'll advocate for that.
This was not the answer @CirrhosisDawg was looking for but it is true
Joe Biden will run in 2020 on continuing to bend over for the Chi Coms so we will have a choice
Idk the dems seem to be wising up to the fact that it's a popular thing to paint the chinese as the enemy again.
Hard to tell if Biden will continue to be in their financial pocket or if like many others he'll see it as an opportunity for extortion from a place of leverage. Never forget these assholes are all mostly practical in their psychopathy.
Who knows if the new TUFF on China approach will work or not. But we do know that the old approach wasn't.
I like free trade with allies and frens. Maybe China just doesn't want to be our fren.
Something had to be done. Ignoring the problem wasn't working. China's theft of US intellectual property was costing us billions.
Either way it will cost us billions.
My company is being hit with the tariffs. Guess what? In the short-medium term, we aren't going to resource components away from the suppliers. Nope. That takes time and $.
We will pass the tariff along to our customer, who in turn will pass it along to their customer, who will pass it along to their customer, who will pass it along to their customer, who will pass it along to their customer, who will pass it along to the citizens of the US in the form of higher prices.
Assuming they want to by the crap you import from China
I guess white trash needs those cheap knock off stolen goods, right @CirrhosisDawg ?
Be a better business man and stop relying on crap to make a buck
Tariffs equal free trade War is peace $1 billion losses equal profit We have to destroy markets to save them Protectionism equals free markets POTD
Let China steal our IP and like it appears to be CD's answer. Hardly shocking that a Kunt like CD would respond to being violated by bending over even further.
I’m sorry to hear you are bending over to the Chinese. We crush them in my industry. You know, things like skills and education matter. Ts&Ps Bob.
Both parties but especially the Rats starting with Clinton have been bending over for the Chi Coms. They've been stealing us blind for years now and we have done nothing. CD is just a fucking crank with no answers and a raft of strawman ass fucks. No one is claiming that tariffs equal free trade or any of the other laundry list of crap he cites. Ask him what should be done about China IP theft and you'll get another one of his sweet Kunt acts. The guy has nothing.
Both parties but especially the Rats starting with Clinton have been bending over for the Chi Coms. They've been stealing us blind for years now and we have done nothing. CD is just a fucking crank with no answers and a raft of strawman ass fucks. No one is claiming that tariffs equal free trade or any of the other laundry list of crap he cites. Ask him what should be done about China IP theft and you'll get another one of his sweet Kunt acts. The guy has nothing.
Benny, how would you address these problems with China alternatively though? The simple fact is that they need our market a lot more than we need theirs. Supply chains are already moving away from China as cheap labor dries up and as the population begins to age. Vietnam, India, etc. Opening our markets to them(which once upon a time I believed in) has failed to do anything other than create a neo-facist almost super power in the world.
Sorry not sorry, a little short term pain for American consumers is a small price to pay to avoid a world dominated by the CCP. It's definitely preferable to world war 3 nuclear bugaloo. Happy to hear the alternative method to bring the CCP to heel that's better. Convince me and I'll advocate for that.
I mean, that's it right there. That's the point of it.
Like Trump, hate Trump, whatever Trump. Whomever is making a play to solve this, you can only evaluate the play after you ask yourself two questions: (1) is there anything about our economic relationship with the Chinese that's long-term detrimental to American interests (I assume we all agree "yes" here); and (2) what levers do we? have to pull?
I am not a Trump guy, and I don't reflexively respond to Tuff talk and bravado. But taking a hard line with China, now, as opposed to when we need them more than they need us, is not the dumbest thing I've ever heard.
Recognize, too, that there is a Yuge cultural issue here. We walk, talk and act like Western Europeans. We understand each other for obvious reasons and can thus appeal to each other's sense of fairness, right, wrong, etc. When someone from Western Europe is fucking you, he knows he's fucking you, and he knows you know that he knows.
The Chinese are a different animal. I've dealt with their import bureaucracy and layers and layers of "agents" whom you need to hire to get you from the dock to their markets. Everybody has their hand out there, and what we consider dishonesty is a routine day at the office for them. They're different. Not better or worse, but different. For that reason, I've always been as cynical about talking shit out with them as I was about Trumpy's chances with fatboy. Ain't gonna work. You gotta him 'em where it hurts. This is a population of people who can still remember what it's like to starve. This isn't about diplomacy. It's free market economis. You do what you're in a position to do, and you take what you're in a position to have to take. It's that simple.
Who knows if the new TUFF on China approach will work or not. But we do know that the old approach wasn't.
I like free trade with allies and frens. Maybe China just doesn't want to be our fren.
Something had to be done. Ignoring the problem wasn't working. China's theft of US intellectual property was costing us billions.
Either way it will cost us billions.
My company is being hit with the tariffs. Guess what? In the short-medium term, we aren't going to resource components away from the suppliers. Nope. That takes time and $.
We will pass the tariff along to our customer, who in turn will pass it along to their customer, who will pass it along to their customer, who will pass it along to their customer, who will pass it along to their customer, who will pass it along to the citizens of the US in the form of higher prices.
Assuming they want to by the crap you import from China
I guess white trash needs those cheap knock off stolen goods, right @CirrhosisDawg ?
Be a better business man and stop relying on crap to make a buck
Tariffs equal free trade War is peace $1 billion losses equal profit We have to destroy markets to save them Protectionism equals free markets POTD
Let China steal our IP and like it appears to be CD's answer. Hardly shocking that a Kunt like CD would respond to being violated by bending over even further.
I’m sorry to hear you are bending over to the Chinese. We crush them in my industry. You know, things like skills and education matter. Ts&Ps Bob.
Since you're the one advocating that we do nothing in response to China's IP theft I believe you're a little confused over which one of us is bending over. What should our response be to China's theft CD? Cue the Kunt act.
Both parties but especially the Rats starting with Clinton have been bending over for the Chi Coms. They've been stealing us blind for years now and we have done nothing. CD is just a fucking crank with no answers and a raft of strawman ass fucks. No one is claiming that tariffs equal free trade or any of the other laundry list of crap he cites. Ask him what should be done about China IP theft and you'll get another one of his sweet Kunt acts. The guy has nothing.
Can you read? I told you skilled and educated Americans in California eat the Chinese for lunch every day. Better product. Better service. Better skills. That’s why you don’t get it. That’s why you are a failure. So sorry for you.
Benny, how would you address these problems with China alternatively though? The simple fact is that they need our market a lot more than we need theirs. Supply chains are already moving away from China as cheap labor dries up and as the population begins to age. Vietnam, India, etc. Opening our markets to them(which once upon a time I believed in) has failed to do anything other than create a neo-facist almost super power in the world.
Sorry not sorry, a little short term pain for American consumers is a small price to pay to avoid a world dominated by the CCP. It's definitely preferable to world war 3 nuclear bugaloo. Happy to hear the alternative method to bring the CCP to heel that's better. Convince me and I'll advocate for that.
I’m not advocating for any other policy, just illustrating the effects tariffs are having on my industry, and in turn the 🇺🇸 consumer.
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It's all about profit, that's why we're in business. Therefore, when our costs are increased by 25% by an act we cannot control, we will pass that along to our customers, so we can maintain our profitability. In turn, your costs will increase on everything you touch. Everything.
The other option to avoid the tariffs, is to move more of our production to Mexico. This means the loss of high paying, Union jerbs here in the good ol' USA. This trade policy is just expediting these business decisions.
Turdbomber,
Tariffs are bad, we've discussed this repeatedly.
Sorry not sorry, a little short term pain for American consumers is a small price to pay to avoid a world dominated by the CCP. It's definitely preferable to world war 3 nuclear bugaloo. Happy to hear the alternative method to bring the CCP to heel that's better. Convince me and I'll advocate for that.
Turd is right, Phil Knight didn't pass the savings of using child labor along to the consumer and I doubt your fireworks company does either.
Joe Biden will run in 2020 on continuing to bend over for the Chi Coms so we will have a choice
Hard to tell if Biden will continue to be in their financial pocket or if like many others he'll see it as an opportunity for extortion from a place of leverage. Never forget these assholes are all mostly practical in their psychopathy.
https://nationalreview.com/2017/07/chinese-illegally-donated-bill-clinton-reelection-campaign-media-downplayed/
http://time.com/4348675/terry-mcauliffe-hillary-clinton-china-investigation/
Like Trump, hate Trump, whatever Trump. Whomever is making a play to solve this, you can only evaluate the play after you ask yourself two questions: (1) is there anything about our economic relationship with the Chinese that's long-term detrimental to American interests (I assume we all agree "yes" here); and (2) what levers do we? have to pull?
I am not a Trump guy, and I don't reflexively respond to Tuff talk and bravado. But taking a hard line with China, now, as opposed to when we need them more than they need us, is not the dumbest thing I've ever heard.
Recognize, too, that there is a Yuge cultural issue here. We walk, talk and act like Western Europeans. We understand each other for obvious reasons and can thus appeal to each other's sense of fairness, right, wrong, etc. When someone from Western Europe is fucking you, he knows he's fucking you, and he knows you know that he knows.
The Chinese are a different animal. I've dealt with their import bureaucracy and layers and layers of "agents" whom you need to hire to get you from the dock to their markets. Everybody has their hand out there, and what we consider dishonesty is a routine day at the office for them. They're different. Not better or worse, but different. For that reason, I've always been as cynical about talking shit out with them as I was about Trumpy's chances with fatboy. Ain't gonna work. You gotta him 'em where it hurts. This is a population of people who can still remember what it's like to starve. This isn't about diplomacy. It's free market economis. You do what you're in a position to do, and you take what you're in a position to have to take. It's that simple.
It's not personally Sonny. It's just business.