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  • BennyBeaver
    BennyBeaver Member Posts: 13,346

    SFGbob said:

    Who knows if the new TUFF on China approach will work or not. But we do know that the old approach wasn't.

    I like free trade with allies and frens. Maybe China just doesn't want to be our fren.

    Something had to be done. Ignoring the problem wasn't working. China's theft of US intellectual property was costing us billions.
    Either way it will cost us billions.

    My company is being hit with the tariffs. Guess what? In the short-medium term, we aren't going to resource components away from the suppliers. Nope. That takes time and $.

    We will pass the tariff along to our customer, who in turn will pass it along to their customer, who will pass it along to their customer, who will pass it along to their customer, who will pass it along to their customer, who will pass it along to the citizens of the US in the form of higher prices.
    Assuming they want to by the crap you import from China

    I guess white trash needs those cheap knock off stolen goods, right @CirrhosisDawg ?

    Be a better business man and stop relying on crap to make a buck
    This is just such a dim, myopic view of how goods are manufactured in a global economy.

    Our products are made of components sourced from all over the world, including the good ol' USA. Our products/services are recognized as the technological and quality gold standard in the industry, are in high demand and never the cheapest alternative.

    We hold a dominant market position of #1 or #2 in almost every product line we produce in every region.

    So, we will continue to source components from the best cost country in the short and medium term and pass the 25% tariff on to our customers. As such, the tariff will get passed on to you Mr. Race Bannon in the form of higher prices, because everything you touch in your daily life in the past, present and future will have to utilize our products.
    I love this global/corporatist bullshit where people like BennieBrainwashed pretend that they care more about my prices being low instead of the exploding profit they make, when something like MacBooks are made in China vs California. The price didn't move an inch, but the profit increased five-fold when manufacturing moved off-shore.

    It's all about profit, not quality or low prices, dumbass.
    Please stop misrepresenting my words, I'm simply illustrating the effect that tariffs will have.

    It's all about profit, that's why we're in business. Therefore, when our costs are increased by 25% by an act we cannot control, we will pass that along to our customers, so we can maintain our profitability. In turn, your costs will increase on everything you touch. Everything.

    The other option to avoid the tariffs, is to move more of our production to Mexico. This means the loss of high paying, Union jerbs here in the good ol' USA. This trade policy is just expediting these business decisions.
  • UW_Doog_Bot
    UW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 18,563 Founders Club

    SFGbob said:

    Who knows if the new TUFF on China approach will work or not. But we do know that the old approach wasn't.

    I like free trade with allies and frens. Maybe China just doesn't want to be our fren.

    Something had to be done. Ignoring the problem wasn't working. China's theft of US intellectual property was costing us billions.
    Either way it will cost us billions.

    My company is being hit with the tariffs. Guess what? In the short-medium term, we aren't going to resource components away from the suppliers. Nope. That takes time and $.

    We will pass the tariff along to our customer, who in turn will pass it along to their customer, who will pass it along to their customer, who will pass it along to their customer, who will pass it along to their customer, who will pass it along to the citizens of the US in the form of higher prices.
    Assuming they want to by the crap you import from China

    I guess white trash needs those cheap knock off stolen goods, right @CirrhosisDawg ?

    Be a better business man and stop relying on crap to make a buck
    This is just such a dim, myopic view of how goods are manufactured in a global economy.

    Our products are made of components sourced from all over the world, including the good ol' USA. Our products/services are recognized as the technological and quality gold standard in the industry, are in high demand and never the cheapest alternative.

    We hold a dominant market position of #1 or #2 in almost every product line we produce in every region.

    So, we will continue to source components from the best cost country in the short and medium term and pass the 25% tariff on to our customers. As such, the tariff will get passed on to you Mr. Race Bannon in the form of higher prices, because everything you touch in your daily life in the past, present and future will have to utilize our products.
    I love this global/corporatist bullshit where people like BennieBrainwashed pretend that they care more about my prices being low instead of the exploding profit they make, when something like MacBooks are made in China vs California. The price didn't move an inch, but the profit increased five-fold when manufacturing moved off-shore.

    It's all about profit, not quality or low prices, dumbass.
    @UW_Doog_Bot do you want to reply to this retard about micro economics? I’m happy to do so myself but you do a good job explaining how supply-demand dynamics clear markets.
    I've got this.

    Turdbomber,




    Tariffs are bad, we've discussed this repeatedly.
  • creepycoug
    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,286

    Contractors used to buy drywall from China. That worked out great after all the lawsuits for putting formaldehyde in people's houses

    My father-in-law, has term he uses where he says, "Oh, that piece of crap is made from Chineseum".
    My father-in-law says "Chinaman" out loud in public.
  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,188

    SFGbob said:

    Who knows if the new TUFF on China approach will work or not. But we do know that the old approach wasn't.

    I like free trade with allies and frens. Maybe China just doesn't want to be our fren.

    Something had to be done. Ignoring the problem wasn't working. China's theft of US intellectual property was costing us billions.
    Either way it will cost us billions.

    My company is being hit with the tariffs. Guess what? In the short-medium term, we aren't going to resource components away from the suppliers. Nope. That takes time and $.

    We will pass the tariff along to our customer, who in turn will pass it along to their customer, who will pass it along to their customer, who will pass it along to their customer, who will pass it along to their customer, who will pass it along to the citizens of the US in the form of higher prices.
    Assuming they want to by the crap you import from China

    I guess white trash needs those cheap knock off stolen goods, right @CirrhosisDawg ?

    Be a better business man and stop relying on crap to make a buck
    Tariffs equal free trade
    War is peace
    $1 billion losses equal profit
    We have to destroy markets to save them
    Protectionism equals free markets
    POTD
    Let China steal our IP and like it appears to be CD's answer. Hardly shocking that a Kunt like CD would respond to being violated by bending over even further.
  • UW_Doog_Bot
    UW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 18,563 Founders Club
    Benny, how would you address these problems with China alternatively though? The simple fact is that they need our market a lot more than we need theirs. Supply chains are already moving away from China as cheap labor dries up and as the population begins to age. Vietnam, India, etc. Opening our markets to them(which once upon a time I believed in) has failed to do anything other than create a neo-facist almost super power in the world.

    Sorry not sorry, a little short term pain for American consumers is a small price to pay to avoid a world dominated by the CCP. It's definitely preferable to world war 3 nuclear bugaloo. Happy to hear the alternative method to bring the CCP to heel that's better. Convince me and I'll advocate for that.
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 115,606 Founders Club

    SFGbob said:

    Who knows if the new TUFF on China approach will work or not. But we do know that the old approach wasn't.

    I like free trade with allies and frens. Maybe China just doesn't want to be our fren.

    Something had to be done. Ignoring the problem wasn't working. China's theft of US intellectual property was costing us billions.
    Either way it will cost us billions.

    My company is being hit with the tariffs. Guess what? In the short-medium term, we aren't going to resource components away from the suppliers. Nope. That takes time and $.

    We will pass the tariff along to our customer, who in turn will pass it along to their customer, who will pass it along to their customer, who will pass it along to their customer, who will pass it along to their customer, who will pass it along to the citizens of the US in the form of higher prices.
    Assuming they want to by the crap you import from China

    I guess white trash needs those cheap knock off stolen goods, right @CirrhosisDawg ?

    Be a better business man and stop relying on crap to make a buck
    This is just such a dim, myopic view of how goods are manufactured in a global economy.

    Our products are made of components sourced from all over the world, including the good ol' USA. Our products/services are recognized as the technological and quality gold standard in the industry, are in high demand and never the cheapest alternative.

    We hold a dominant market position of #1 or #2 in almost every product line we produce in every region.

    So, we will continue to source components from the best cost country in the short and medium term and pass the 25% tariff on to our customers. As such, the tariff will get passed on to you Mr. Race Bannon in the form of higher prices, because everything you touch in your daily life in the past, present and future will have to utilize our products.
    Global economy

    Well, stop whining and live with it

    The USA is part of the globe.

    If you source from all over the world then losing the cheap knock off stolen shit from China shouldn't hurt your party favor business.

    You raise something I want 25% I go elsewhere. Its global you know
    Where is the whining? I'm just stating the facts, higher costs will get passed on to you, the consumer.

    Who is talking about party favors? I'm talking about highly engineered products, designed into products that you cannot live without.
    So you get a portion of your party favors from China. But you source from all over the globe. So your total cost isn't going up 25%, only that portion. How much knock off stolen garbage do you use from China? Is there nowhere else on the globe you can get that?

    Turd is right, Phil Knight didn't pass the savings of using child labor along to the consumer and I doubt your fireworks company does either.
  • creepycoug
    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,286

    SFGbob said:

    Who knows if the new TUFF on China approach will work or not. But we do know that the old approach wasn't.

    I like free trade with allies and frens. Maybe China just doesn't want to be our fren.

    Something had to be done. Ignoring the problem wasn't working. China's theft of US intellectual property was costing us billions.
    Either way it will cost us billions.

    My company is being hit with the tariffs. Guess what? In the short-medium term, we aren't going to resource components away from the suppliers. Nope. That takes time and $.

    We will pass the tariff along to our customer, who in turn will pass it along to their customer, who will pass it along to their customer, who will pass it along to their customer, who will pass it along to their customer, who will pass it along to the citizens of the US in the form of higher prices.
    Assuming they want to by the crap you import from China

    I guess white trash needs those cheap knock off stolen goods, right @CirrhosisDawg ?

    Be a better business man and stop relying on crap to make a buck
    This is just such a dim, myopic view of how goods are manufactured in a global economy.

    Our products are made of components sourced from all over the world, including the good ol' USA. Our products/services are recognized as the technological and quality gold standard in the industry, are in high demand and never the cheapest alternative.

    We hold a dominant market position of #1 or #2 in almost every product line we produce in every region.

    So, we will continue to source components from the best cost country in the short and medium term and pass the 25% tariff on to our customers. As such, the tariff will get passed on to you Mr. Race Bannon in the form of higher prices, because everything you touch in your daily life in the past, present and future will have to utilize our products.
    I love this global/corporatist bullshit where people like BennieBrainwashed pretend that they care more about my prices being low instead of the exploding profit they make, when something like MacBooks are made in China vs California. The price didn't move an inch, but the profit increased five-fold when manufacturing moved off-shore.

    It's all about profit, not quality or low prices, dumbass.
    @UW_Doog_Bot do you want to reply to this retard about micro economics? I’m happy to do so myself but you do a good job explaining how supply-demand dynamics clear markets.
    I've got this.

    Turdbomber,




    Tariffs are bad, we've discussed this repeatedly.
    @UW_Doog_Bot entering the Brevity fray.
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 115,606 Founders Club

    Benny, how would you address these problems with China alternatively though? The simple fact is that they need our market a lot more than we need theirs. Supply chains are already moving away from China as cheap labor dries up and as the population begins to age. Vietnam, India, etc. Opening our markets to them(which once upon a time I believed in) has failed to do anything other than create a neo-facist almost super power in the world.

    Sorry not sorry, a little short term pain for American consumers is a small price to pay to avoid a world dominated by the CCP. It's definitely preferable to world war 3 nuclear bugaloo. Happy to hear the alternative method to bring the CCP to heel that's better. Convince me and I'll advocate for that.

    This was not the answer @CirrhosisDawg was looking for but it is true

    Joe Biden will run in 2020 on continuing to bend over for the Chi Coms so we will have a choice
  • CirrhosisDawg
    CirrhosisDawg Member Posts: 6,390
    SFGbob said:

    SFGbob said:

    Who knows if the new TUFF on China approach will work or not. But we do know that the old approach wasn't.

    I like free trade with allies and frens. Maybe China just doesn't want to be our fren.

    Something had to be done. Ignoring the problem wasn't working. China's theft of US intellectual property was costing us billions.
    Either way it will cost us billions.

    My company is being hit with the tariffs. Guess what? In the short-medium term, we aren't going to resource components away from the suppliers. Nope. That takes time and $.

    We will pass the tariff along to our customer, who in turn will pass it along to their customer, who will pass it along to their customer, who will pass it along to their customer, who will pass it along to their customer, who will pass it along to the citizens of the US in the form of higher prices.
    Assuming they want to by the crap you import from China

    I guess white trash needs those cheap knock off stolen goods, right @CirrhosisDawg ?

    Be a better business man and stop relying on crap to make a buck
    Tariffs equal free trade
    War is peace
    $1 billion losses equal profit
    We have to destroy markets to save them
    Protectionism equals free markets
    POTD
    Let China steal our IP and like it appears to be CD's answer. Hardly shocking that a Kunt like CD would respond to being violated by bending over even further.
    I’m sorry to hear you are bending over to the Chinese. We crush them in my industry. You know, things like skills and education matter. Ts&Ps Bob.
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 115,606 Founders Club

    SFGbob said:

    SFGbob said:

    Who knows if the new TUFF on China approach will work or not. But we do know that the old approach wasn't.

    I like free trade with allies and frens. Maybe China just doesn't want to be our fren.

    Something had to be done. Ignoring the problem wasn't working. China's theft of US intellectual property was costing us billions.
    Either way it will cost us billions.

    My company is being hit with the tariffs. Guess what? In the short-medium term, we aren't going to resource components away from the suppliers. Nope. That takes time and $.

    We will pass the tariff along to our customer, who in turn will pass it along to their customer, who will pass it along to their customer, who will pass it along to their customer, who will pass it along to their customer, who will pass it along to the citizens of the US in the form of higher prices.
    Assuming they want to by the crap you import from China

    I guess white trash needs those cheap knock off stolen goods, right @CirrhosisDawg ?

    Be a better business man and stop relying on crap to make a buck
    Tariffs equal free trade
    War is peace
    $1 billion losses equal profit
    We have to destroy markets to save them
    Protectionism equals free markets
    POTD
    Let China steal our IP and like it appears to be CD's answer. Hardly shocking that a Kunt like CD would respond to being violated by bending over even further.
    I’m sorry to hear you are bending over to the Chinese. We crush them in my industry. You know, things like skills and education matter. Ts&Ps Bob.
    And illegal slave labor am I right?