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  • HardlyClothedHardlyClothed Member Posts: 937

    Some things I don't do:

    I don't surf in water that I can't see through

    I don't fuck around with the DOJ

    I don't tell my wife what I really think ... about much of anything

    I don't joke about hijacking anything at the airport

    I don't argue music, rowboat, history or tall person trivia with Yella hi @YellowSnow

    I don't argue the pros and cons of belonging to AARP with @RaceBannon

    I don't argue vintage porn trivia with @PurpleThrobber (Christy Canyon damn it!!)

    I don't debate the most effective means of pest control with @Swaye,

    AND

    I don't argue the economis with @UW_Doog_Bot

    I just don't!

    The synthesis of his economic beliefs is when the government does something it’s socialism. Any market intervetion is the “socialist playbook”. What a fraud.
    I'm trying to be balanced here, because I am a default free market person. I do not think that is an accurate description of @UW_Doog_Bot 's political-economic philosophy. The government does some things well, and by "well", I don't mean that there are goods and services that they produce and deliver with any economic efficiency, but rather that they are the actor in the best position to reasonably offer the good or service. But to deny that the government fucks things up on the norm is to be intellectually dishonest. Again, that doesn't mean I don't see a role for the guv. For example, I'm a supporter of public education, but it's as flawed as all get-out. Still, we need it, in my view. I don't think @UW_Doog_Bot is necessarily antagonistic to that view all the way around.
    @UW_Doog_Bot is what you call a lower case "L" libertarian as opposed to 2 silver dollar, crack pot Libertarian. Funny enough, my first exposure to 2 silver dollar, crack pot Libertarianism came from one of my parents best fren's who lives about 5 mins down the road from Mr. Bot. The guy's daughter basically runs the home schooling community in the OC.
    I'm not even really a lower case libertarian. I believe in too many radical concepts like the EPA, education vouchers, the FED and economic policy, National Parks, the supremacy of federal law guaranteeing civil rights, the universality of human rights and our responsibility to help support them around the world, national borders, etc.

    I'm more like the forgotten part of the GOP when they were still into environmentalism but also limited government. Or the forgotten part of the 90's Dems when Bill started crossing the isle maybe? Not sure, I don't really fit too many places easily. Very few economists do. Maybe I can fill out a questionnaire for you and with your superior historical knowledge you can tell me what party of what era I belong to.

    I can tell you I'm on opposite axis from communists and fascists!
    There is no axis where communists and fascists are on the same side.

    Fascism is a relativey young ideology but in every instance it took power, Hitler, Franco, Mussolini, and later Pinochet, of central importance was the restoration or preservation of capitalism and the social hierarchies it created from challenges to the left. The avowed socialist Allende was the freely elected president of Chile. How authoritarian.

    Again, you default to “big government” is one side of the axis and “free markets” is the other. Total ahistorical bullshit.
    Hitler was democratically elected too. People forget this.
    Because the German center-left capitulated to the Nazis in fear of the growing popularity of the German communist party. Some lessons to be learned there!
  • UW_Doog_BotUW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 15,779 Swaye's Wigwam

    Some things I don't do:

    I don't surf in water that I can't see through

    I don't fuck around with the DOJ

    I don't tell my wife what I really think ... about much of anything

    I don't joke about hijacking anything at the airport

    I don't argue music, rowboat, history or tall person trivia with Yella hi @YellowSnow

    I don't argue the pros and cons of belonging to AARP with @RaceBannon

    I don't argue vintage porn trivia with @PurpleThrobber (Christy Canyon damn it!!)

    I don't debate the most effective means of pest control with @Swaye,

    AND

    I don't argue the economis with @UW_Doog_Bot

    I just don't!

    The synthesis of his economic beliefs is when the government does something it’s socialism. Any market intervetion is the “socialist playbook”. What a fraud.
    I'm trying to be balanced here, because I am a default free market person. I do not think that is an accurate description of @UW_Doog_Bot 's political-economic philosophy. The government does some things well, and by "well", I don't mean that there are goods and services that they produce and deliver with any economic efficiency, but rather that they are the actor in the best position to reasonably offer the good or service. But to deny that the government fucks things up on the norm is to be intellectually dishonest. Again, that doesn't mean I don't see a role for the guv. For example, I'm a supporter of public education, but it's as flawed as all get-out. Still, we need it, in my view. I don't think @UW_Doog_Bot is necessarily antagonistic to that view all the way around.
    @UW_Doog_Bot is what you call a lower case "L" libertarian as opposed to 2 silver dollar, crack pot Libertarian. Funny enough, my first exposure to 2 silver dollar, crack pot Libertarianism came from one of my parents best fren's who lives about 5 mins down the road from Mr. Bot. The guy's daughter basically runs the home schooling community in the OC.
    I'm not even really a lower case libertarian. I believe in too many radical concepts like the EPA, education vouchers, the FED and economic policy, National Parks, the supremacy of federal law guaranteeing civil rights, the universality of human rights and our responsibility to help support them around the world, national borders, etc.

    I'm more like the forgotten part of the GOP when they were still into environmentalism but also limited government. Or the forgotten part of the 90's Dems when Bill started crossing the isle maybe? Not sure, I don't really fit too many places easily. Very few economists do. Maybe I can fill out a questionnaire for you and with your superior historical knowledge you can tell me what party of what era I belong to.

    I can tell you I'm on opposite axis from communists and fascists!
    There is no axis where communists and fascists are on the same side.

    Fascism is a relativey young ideology but in every instance it took power, Hitler, Franco, Mussolini, and later Pinochet, of central importance was the restoration or preservation of capitalism and the social hierarchies it created from challenges to the left. The avowed socialist Allende was the freely elected president of Chile. How authoritarian.

    Again, you default to “big government” is one side of the axis and “free markets” is the other. Total ahistorical bullshit.
    Man, you've gotta somehow be new to politics on the internet to be this ignorant. What if I told you that there's more than one axis of right and left in political ideology?
  • HardlyClothedHardlyClothed Member Posts: 937

    Some things I don't do:

    I don't surf in water that I can't see through

    I don't fuck around with the DOJ

    I don't tell my wife what I really think ... about much of anything

    I don't joke about hijacking anything at the airport

    I don't argue music, rowboat, history or tall person trivia with Yella hi @YellowSnow

    I don't argue the pros and cons of belonging to AARP with @RaceBannon

    I don't argue vintage porn trivia with @PurpleThrobber (Christy Canyon damn it!!)

    I don't debate the most effective means of pest control with @Swaye,

    AND

    I don't argue the economis with @UW_Doog_Bot

    I just don't!

    The synthesis of his economic beliefs is when the government does something it’s socialism. Any market intervetion is the “socialist playbook”. What a fraud.
    I'm trying to be balanced here, because I am a default free market person. I do not think that is an accurate description of @UW_Doog_Bot 's political-economic philosophy. The government does some things well, and by "well", I don't mean that there are goods and services that they produce and deliver with any economic efficiency, but rather that they are the actor in the best position to reasonably offer the good or service. But to deny that the government fucks things up on the norm is to be intellectually dishonest. Again, that doesn't mean I don't see a role for the guv. For example, I'm a supporter of public education, but it's as flawed as all get-out. Still, we need it, in my view. I don't think @UW_Doog_Bot is necessarily antagonistic to that view all the way around.
    @UW_Doog_Bot is what you call a lower case "L" libertarian as opposed to 2 silver dollar, crack pot Libertarian. Funny enough, my first exposure to 2 silver dollar, crack pot Libertarianism came from one of my parents best fren's who lives about 5 mins down the road from Mr. Bot. The guy's daughter basically runs the home schooling community in the OC.
    I'm not even really a lower case libertarian. I believe in too many radical concepts like the EPA, education vouchers, the FED and economic policy, National Parks, the supremacy of federal law guaranteeing civil rights, the universality of human rights and our responsibility to help support them around the world, national borders, etc.

    I'm more like the forgotten part of the GOP when they were still into environmentalism but also limited government. Or the forgotten part of the 90's Dems when Bill started crossing the isle maybe? Not sure, I don't really fit too many places easily. Very few economists do. Maybe I can fill out a questionnaire for you and with your superior historical knowledge you can tell me what party of what era I belong to.

    I can tell you I'm on opposite axis from communists and fascists!
    There is no axis where communists and fascists are on the same side.

    Fascism is a relativey young ideology but in every instance it took power, Hitler, Franco, Mussolini, and later Pinochet, of central importance was the restoration or preservation of capitalism and the social hierarchies it created from challenges to the left. The avowed socialist Allende was the freely elected president of Chile. How authoritarian.

    Again, you default to “big government” is one side of the axis and “free markets” is the other. Total ahistorical bullshit.
    Man, you've gotta somehow be new to politics on the internet to be this ignorant. What if I told you that there's more than one axis of right and left in political ideology?
    I’m not new to this because I know you’re going to bring up discredited horseshoe theory to say the far left and far right are actually closer to each other than the center.
  • UW_Doog_BotUW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 15,779 Swaye's Wigwam

    Some things I don't do:

    I don't surf in water that I can't see through

    I don't fuck around with the DOJ

    I don't tell my wife what I really think ... about much of anything

    I don't joke about hijacking anything at the airport

    I don't argue music, rowboat, history or tall person trivia with Yella hi @YellowSnow

    I don't argue the pros and cons of belonging to AARP with @RaceBannon

    I don't argue vintage porn trivia with @PurpleThrobber (Christy Canyon damn it!!)

    I don't debate the most effective means of pest control with @Swaye,

    AND

    I don't argue the economis with @UW_Doog_Bot

    I just don't!

    The synthesis of his economic beliefs is when the government does something it’s socialism. Any market intervetion is the “socialist playbook”. What a fraud.
    I'm trying to be balanced here, because I am a default free market person. I do not think that is an accurate description of @UW_Doog_Bot 's political-economic philosophy. The government does some things well, and by "well", I don't mean that there are goods and services that they produce and deliver with any economic efficiency, but rather that they are the actor in the best position to reasonably offer the good or service. But to deny that the government fucks things up on the norm is to be intellectually dishonest. Again, that doesn't mean I don't see a role for the guv. For example, I'm a supporter of public education, but it's as flawed as all get-out. Still, we need it, in my view. I don't think @UW_Doog_Bot is necessarily antagonistic to that view all the way around.
    @UW_Doog_Bot is what you call a lower case "L" libertarian as opposed to 2 silver dollar, crack pot Libertarian. Funny enough, my first exposure to 2 silver dollar, crack pot Libertarianism came from one of my parents best fren's who lives about 5 mins down the road from Mr. Bot. The guy's daughter basically runs the home schooling community in the OC.
    I'm not even really a lower case libertarian. I believe in too many radical concepts like the EPA, education vouchers, the FED and economic policy, National Parks, the supremacy of federal law guaranteeing civil rights, the universality of human rights and our responsibility to help support them around the world, national borders, etc.

    I'm more like the forgotten part of the GOP when they were still into environmentalism but also limited government. Or the forgotten part of the 90's Dems when Bill started crossing the isle maybe? Not sure, I don't really fit too many places easily. Very few economists do. Maybe I can fill out a questionnaire for you and with your superior historical knowledge you can tell me what party of what era I belong to.

    I can tell you I'm on opposite axis from communists and fascists!
    There is no axis where communists and fascists are on the same side.

    Fascism is a relativey young ideology but in every instance it took power, Hitler, Franco, Mussolini, and later Pinochet, of central importance was the restoration or preservation of capitalism and the social hierarchies it created from challenges to the left. The avowed socialist Allende was the freely elected president of Chile. How authoritarian.

    Again, you default to “big government” is one side of the axis and “free markets” is the other. Total ahistorical bullshit.
    Man, you've gotta somehow be new to politics on the internet to be this ignorant. What if I told you that there's more than one axis of right and left in political ideology?
    I’m not new to this because I know you’re going to bring up discredited horseshoe theory to say the far left and far right are actually closer to each other than the center.
    Woooooooooshhhhhhhh
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 105,790 Founders Club

    Some things I don't do:

    I don't surf in water that I can't see through

    I don't fuck around with the DOJ

    I don't tell my wife what I really think ... about much of anything

    I don't joke about hijacking anything at the airport

    I don't argue music, rowboat, history or tall person trivia with Yella hi @YellowSnow

    I don't argue the pros and cons of belonging to AARP with @RaceBannon

    I don't argue vintage porn trivia with @PurpleThrobber (Christy Canyon damn it!!)

    I don't debate the most effective means of pest control with @Swaye,

    AND

    I don't argue the economis with @UW_Doog_Bot

    I just don't!

    The synthesis of his economic beliefs is when the government does something it’s socialism. Any market intervetion is the “socialist playbook”. What a fraud.
    I'm trying to be balanced here, because I am a default free market person. I do not think that is an accurate description of @UW_Doog_Bot 's political-economic philosophy. The government does some things well, and by "well", I don't mean that there are goods and services that they produce and deliver with any economic efficiency, but rather that they are the actor in the best position to reasonably offer the good or service. But to deny that the government fucks things up on the norm is to be intellectually dishonest. Again, that doesn't mean I don't see a role for the guv. For example, I'm a supporter of public education, but it's as flawed as all get-out. Still, we need it, in my view. I don't think @UW_Doog_Bot is necessarily antagonistic to that view all the way around.
    @UW_Doog_Bot is what you call a lower case "L" libertarian as opposed to 2 silver dollar, crack pot Libertarian. Funny enough, my first exposure to 2 silver dollar, crack pot Libertarianism came from one of my parents best fren's who lives about 5 mins down the road from Mr. Bot. The guy's daughter basically runs the home schooling community in the OC.
    I'm not even really a lower case libertarian. I believe in too many radical concepts like the EPA, education vouchers, the FED and economic policy, National Parks, the supremacy of federal law guaranteeing civil rights, the universality of human rights and our responsibility to help support them around the world, national borders, etc.

    I'm more like the forgotten part of the GOP when they were still into environmentalism but also limited government. Or the forgotten part of the 90's Dems when Bill started crossing the isle maybe? Not sure, I don't really fit too many places easily. Very few economists do. Maybe I can fill out a questionnaire for you and with your superior historical knowledge you can tell me what party of what era I belong to.

    I can tell you I'm on opposite axis from communists and fascists!
    There is no axis where communists and fascists are on the same side.

    Fascism is a relativey young ideology but in every instance it took power, Hitler, Franco, Mussolini, and later Pinochet, of central importance was the restoration or preservation of capitalism and the social hierarchies it created from challenges to the left. The avowed socialist Allende was the freely elected president of Chile. How authoritarian.

    Again, you default to “big government” is one side of the axis and “free markets” is the other. Total ahistorical bullshit.
    Hitler was democratically elected too. People forget this.
    Because the German center-left capitulated to the Nazis in fear of the growing popularity of the German communist party. Some lessons to be learned there!
    Yes there are

    Hitler took power with street thugs, the wet dream of the American left

    Commies were a great option. Only killed 20 million of their own and were doing pogroms before Hitler was in power

    Opportunity missed I guess by Germany
  • SledogSledog Member Posts: 33,842 Standard Supporter

    Some things I don't do:

    I don't surf in water that I can't see through

    I don't fuck around with the DOJ

    I don't tell my wife what I really think ... about much of anything

    I don't joke about hijacking anything at the airport

    I don't argue music, rowboat, history or tall person trivia with Yella hi @YellowSnow

    I don't argue the pros and cons of belonging to AARP with @RaceBannon

    I don't argue vintage porn trivia with @PurpleThrobber (Christy Canyon damn it!!)

    I don't debate the most effective means of pest control with @Swaye,

    AND

    I don't argue the economis with @UW_Doog_Bot

    I just don't!

    The synthesis of his economic beliefs is when the government does something it’s socialism. Any market intervetion is the “socialist playbook”. What a fraud.
    I'm trying to be balanced here, because I am a default free market person. I do not think that is an accurate description of @UW_Doog_Bot 's political-economic philosophy. The government does some things well, and by "well", I don't mean that there are goods and services that they produce and deliver with any economic efficiency, but rather that they are the actor in the best position to reasonably offer the good or service. But to deny that the government fucks things up on the norm is to be intellectually dishonest. Again, that doesn't mean I don't see a role for the guv. For example, I'm a supporter of public education, but it's as flawed as all get-out. Still, we need it, in my view. I don't think @UW_Doog_Bot is necessarily antagonistic to that view all the way around.
    @UW_Doog_Bot is what you call a lower case "L" libertarian as opposed to 2 silver dollar, crack pot Libertarian. Funny enough, my first exposure to 2 silver dollar, crack pot Libertarianism came from one of my parents best fren's who lives about 5 mins down the road from Mr. Bot. The guy's daughter basically runs the home schooling community in the OC.
    I'm not even really a lower case libertarian. I believe in too many radical concepts like the EPA, education vouchers, the FED and economic policy, National Parks, the supremacy of federal law guaranteeing civil rights, the universality of human rights and our responsibility to help support them around the world, national borders, etc.

    I'm more like the forgotten part of the GOP when they were still into environmentalism but also limited government. Or the forgotten part of the 90's Dems when Bill started crossing the isle maybe? Not sure, I don't really fit too many places easily. Very few economists do. Maybe I can fill out a questionnaire for you and with your superior historical knowledge you can tell me what party of what era I belong to.

    I can tell you I'm on opposite axis from communists and fascists!
    You're what we call a Teddy Roosevelt Republican which is what I am.
    Teddy knows shit!


  • YellowSnowYellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 35,404 Founders Club
    Sledog said:

    Some things I don't do:

    I don't surf in water that I can't see through

    I don't fuck around with the DOJ

    I don't tell my wife what I really think ... about much of anything

    I don't joke about hijacking anything at the airport

    I don't argue music, rowboat, history or tall person trivia with Yella hi @YellowSnow

    I don't argue the pros and cons of belonging to AARP with @RaceBannon

    I don't argue vintage porn trivia with @PurpleThrobber (Christy Canyon damn it!!)

    I don't debate the most effective means of pest control with @Swaye,

    AND

    I don't argue the economis with @UW_Doog_Bot

    I just don't!

    The synthesis of his economic beliefs is when the government does something it’s socialism. Any market intervetion is the “socialist playbook”. What a fraud.
    I'm trying to be balanced here, because I am a default free market person. I do not think that is an accurate description of @UW_Doog_Bot 's political-economic philosophy. The government does some things well, and by "well", I don't mean that there are goods and services that they produce and deliver with any economic efficiency, but rather that they are the actor in the best position to reasonably offer the good or service. But to deny that the government fucks things up on the norm is to be intellectually dishonest. Again, that doesn't mean I don't see a role for the guv. For example, I'm a supporter of public education, but it's as flawed as all get-out. Still, we need it, in my view. I don't think @UW_Doog_Bot is necessarily antagonistic to that view all the way around.
    @UW_Doog_Bot is what you call a lower case "L" libertarian as opposed to 2 silver dollar, crack pot Libertarian. Funny enough, my first exposure to 2 silver dollar, crack pot Libertarianism came from one of my parents best fren's who lives about 5 mins down the road from Mr. Bot. The guy's daughter basically runs the home schooling community in the OC.
    I'm not even really a lower case libertarian. I believe in too many radical concepts like the EPA, education vouchers, the FED and economic policy, National Parks, the supremacy of federal law guaranteeing civil rights, the universality of human rights and our responsibility to help support them around the world, national borders, etc.

    I'm more like the forgotten part of the GOP when they were still into environmentalism but also limited government. Or the forgotten part of the 90's Dems when Bill started crossing the isle maybe? Not sure, I don't really fit too many places easily. Very few economists do. Maybe I can fill out a questionnaire for you and with your superior historical knowledge you can tell me what party of what era I belong to.

    I can tell you I'm on opposite axis from communists and fascists!
    You're what we call a Teddy Roosevelt Republican which is what I am.
    Teddy knows shit!


    And even though he grew up in NYC, he turned out manly and loved shooting lever guns and other tuff big bore rifles. So it is possible to be born in Gotham and turn out a real man, unlike the current lard butt in the WH. I'd like to dedicate this poast to @TurdBuffer ...


  • SledogSledog Member Posts: 33,842 Standard Supporter

    Sledog said:

    Some things I don't do:

    I don't surf in water that I can't see through

    I don't fuck around with the DOJ

    I don't tell my wife what I really think ... about much of anything

    I don't joke about hijacking anything at the airport

    I don't argue music, rowboat, history or tall person trivia with Yella hi @YellowSnow

    I don't argue the pros and cons of belonging to AARP with @RaceBannon

    I don't argue vintage porn trivia with @PurpleThrobber (Christy Canyon damn it!!)

    I don't debate the most effective means of pest control with @Swaye,

    AND

    I don't argue the economis with @UW_Doog_Bot

    I just don't!

    The synthesis of his economic beliefs is when the government does something it’s socialism. Any market intervetion is the “socialist playbook”. What a fraud.
    I'm trying to be balanced here, because I am a default free market person. I do not think that is an accurate description of @UW_Doog_Bot 's political-economic philosophy. The government does some things well, and by "well", I don't mean that there are goods and services that they produce and deliver with any economic efficiency, but rather that they are the actor in the best position to reasonably offer the good or service. But to deny that the government fucks things up on the norm is to be intellectually dishonest. Again, that doesn't mean I don't see a role for the guv. For example, I'm a supporter of public education, but it's as flawed as all get-out. Still, we need it, in my view. I don't think @UW_Doog_Bot is necessarily antagonistic to that view all the way around.
    @UW_Doog_Bot is what you call a lower case "L" libertarian as opposed to 2 silver dollar, crack pot Libertarian. Funny enough, my first exposure to 2 silver dollar, crack pot Libertarianism came from one of my parents best fren's who lives about 5 mins down the road from Mr. Bot. The guy's daughter basically runs the home schooling community in the OC.
    I'm not even really a lower case libertarian. I believe in too many radical concepts like the EPA, education vouchers, the FED and economic policy, National Parks, the supremacy of federal law guaranteeing civil rights, the universality of human rights and our responsibility to help support them around the world, national borders, etc.

    I'm more like the forgotten part of the GOP when they were still into environmentalism but also limited government. Or the forgotten part of the 90's Dems when Bill started crossing the isle maybe? Not sure, I don't really fit too many places easily. Very few economists do. Maybe I can fill out a questionnaire for you and with your superior historical knowledge you can tell me what party of what era I belong to.

    I can tell you I'm on opposite axis from communists and fascists!
    You're what we call a Teddy Roosevelt Republican which is what I am.
    Teddy knows shit!


    And even though he grew up in NYC, he turned out manly and loved shooting lever guns and other tuff big bore rifles. So it is possible to be born in Gotham and turn out a real man, unlike the current lard butt in the WH. I'd like to dedicate this poast to @TurdBuffer ...


    We don't really know if he did or didn't. Somehow his kids hunt all over the world. Who taught them?
  • creepycougcreepycoug Member Posts: 23,210

    Some things I don't do:

    I don't surf in water that I can't see through

    I don't fuck around with the DOJ

    I don't tell my wife what I really think ... about much of anything

    I don't joke about hijacking anything at the airport

    I don't argue music, rowboat, history or tall person trivia with Yella hi @YellowSnow

    I don't argue the pros and cons of belonging to AARP with @RaceBannon

    I don't argue vintage porn trivia with @PurpleThrobber (Christy Canyon damn it!!)

    I don't debate the most effective means of pest control with @Swaye,

    AND

    I don't argue the economis with @UW_Doog_Bot

    I just don't!

    The synthesis of his economic beliefs is when the government does something it’s socialism. Any market intervetion is the “socialist playbook”. What a fraud.
    I'm trying to be balanced here, because I am a default free market person. I do not think that is an accurate description of @UW_Doog_Bot 's political-economic philosophy. The government does some things well, and by "well", I don't mean that there are goods and services that they produce and deliver with any economic efficiency, but rather that they are the actor in the best position to reasonably offer the good or service. But to deny that the government fucks things up on the norm is to be intellectually dishonest. Again, that doesn't mean I don't see a role for the guv. For example, I'm a supporter of public education, but it's as flawed as all get-out. Still, we need it, in my view. I don't think @UW_Doog_Bot is necessarily antagonistic to that view all the way around.
    Point of fact, I'm actually a moderate liberal as the economics spectrum goes(I've even been accused of being a neo-liberal, gasp!). My default preference is freedom and by extension, free markets. That's Radical American thinking I know but I actually do believe in market intervention as well. It can be summed up pretty simply as "If having the government involved can avoid greater negative externalities then government intervention is justified." Of course, within the bounds of the Feds enumerated powers.(Statists don't understand this point at all)

    The simplest example is defense, having private armies that can be bought and sold could lead to a coup by the highest bidder. This is a greater negative externality than the inefficiency, corruption, and other negative consequences of central planning. Therefore, government intervention is justified.

    Education, the Fed, R&D, Defense, Environment, Finance, Antitrust, Labor laws, even the god damn postal system, there's plenty of intervention I agree with. That doesn't mean that it's efficient, just that there are other factors I consider beyond pure Economics to justify intervention.

    Free Markets are more efficient than central planning(which includes both the pure definition of socialism and lesser forms of intervention such as democratic socialism etc.) If you can show me, with empirical evidence, that a central plan is more efficient, or has a significant other non-economic consideration, then you can change my mind. That's part of being dedicated to a science and not an ideology, being able to consider new evidence and change ones mind and beliefs about the nature of the world.

    Exactly right.
  • creepycougcreepycoug Member Posts: 23,210

    Some things I don't do:

    I don't surf in water that I can't see through

    I don't fuck around with the DOJ

    I don't tell my wife what I really think ... about much of anything

    I don't joke about hijacking anything at the airport

    I don't argue music, rowboat, history or tall person trivia with Yella hi @YellowSnow

    I don't argue the pros and cons of belonging to AARP with @RaceBannon

    I don't argue vintage porn trivia with @PurpleThrobber (Christy Canyon damn it!!)

    I don't debate the most effective means of pest control with @Swaye,

    AND

    I don't argue the economis with @UW_Doog_Bot

    I just don't!

    The synthesis of his economic beliefs is when the government does something it’s socialism. Any market intervetion is the “socialist playbook”. What a fraud.
    I'm trying to be balanced here, because I am a default free market person. I do not think that is an accurate description of @UW_Doog_Bot 's political-economic philosophy. The government does some things well, and by "well", I don't mean that there are goods and services that they produce and deliver with any economic efficiency, but rather that they are the actor in the best position to reasonably offer the good or service. But to deny that the government fucks things up on the norm is to be intellectually dishonest. Again, that doesn't mean I don't see a role for the guv. For example, I'm a supporter of public education, but it's as flawed as all get-out. Still, we need it, in my view. I don't think @UW_Doog_Bot is necessarily antagonistic to that view all the way around.
    @UW_Doog_Bot is what you call a lower case "L" libertarian as opposed to 2 silver dollar, crack pot Libertarian. Funny enough, my first exposure to 2 silver dollar, crack pot Libertarianism came from one of my parents best fren's who lives about 5 mins down the road from Mr. Bot. The guy's daughter basically runs the home schooling community in the OC.
    I'm not even really a lower case libertarian. I believe in too many radical concepts like the EPA, education vouchers, the FED and economic policy, National Parks, the supremacy of federal law guaranteeing civil rights, the universality of human rights and our responsibility to help support them around the world, national borders, etc.

    I'm more like the forgotten part of the GOP when they were still into environmentalism but also limited government. Or the forgotten part of the 90's Dems when Bill started crossing the isle maybe? Not sure, I don't really fit too many places easily. Very few economists do. Maybe I can fill out a questionnaire for you and with your superior historical knowledge you can tell me what party of what era I belong to.

    I can tell you I'm on opposite axis from communists and fascists!
    I feel the same, even though I've been tagged with bob's dreaded "gang of liberal Hondo interventionists", whatever that means.
  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    Some things I don't do:

    I don't surf in water that I can't see through

    I don't fuck around with the DOJ

    I don't tell my wife what I really think ... about much of anything

    I don't joke about hijacking anything at the airport

    I don't argue music, rowboat, history or tall person trivia with Yella hi @YellowSnow

    I don't argue the pros and cons of belonging to AARP with @RaceBannon

    I don't argue vintage porn trivia with @PurpleThrobber (Christy Canyon damn it!!)

    I don't debate the most effective means of pest control with @Swaye,

    AND

    I don't argue the economis with @UW_Doog_Bot

    I just don't!

    The synthesis of his economic beliefs is when the government does something it’s socialism. Any market intervetion is the “socialist playbook”. What a fraud.
    I'm trying to be balanced here, because I am a default free market person. I do not think that is an accurate description of @UW_Doog_Bot 's political-economic philosophy. The government does some things well, and by "well", I don't mean that there are goods and services that they produce and deliver with any economic efficiency, but rather that they are the actor in the best position to reasonably offer the good or service. But to deny that the government fucks things up on the norm is to be intellectually dishonest. Again, that doesn't mean I don't see a role for the guv. For example, I'm a supporter of public education, but it's as flawed as all get-out. Still, we need it, in my view. I don't think @UW_Doog_Bot is necessarily antagonistic to that view all the way around.
    @UW_Doog_Bot is what you call a lower case "L" libertarian as opposed to 2 silver dollar, crack pot Libertarian. Funny enough, my first exposure to 2 silver dollar, crack pot Libertarianism came from one of my parents best fren's who lives about 5 mins down the road from Mr. Bot. The guy's daughter basically runs the home schooling community in the OC.
    I'm not even really a lower case libertarian. I believe in too many radical concepts like the EPA, education vouchers, the FED and economic policy, National Parks, the supremacy of federal law guaranteeing civil rights, the universality of human rights and our responsibility to help support them around the world, national borders, etc.

    I'm more like the forgotten part of the GOP when they were still into environmentalism but also limited government. Or the forgotten part of the 90's Dems when Bill started crossing the isle maybe? Not sure, I don't really fit too many places easily. Very few economists do. Maybe I can fill out a questionnaire for you and with your superior historical knowledge you can tell me what party of what era I belong to.

    I can tell you I'm on opposite axis from communists and fascists!
    I feel the same, even though I've been tagged with bob's dreaded "gang of liberal Hondo interventionists", whatever that means.
    Bob thinks if you aren't far right. Then you are left and everyone on the left is a Communist bent on destroying America. And therefore we all think the same.
  • SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 32,204
    2001400ex said:

    Some things I don't do:

    I don't surf in water that I can't see through

    I don't fuck around with the DOJ

    I don't tell my wife what I really think ... about much of anything

    I don't joke about hijacking anything at the airport

    I don't argue music, rowboat, history or tall person trivia with Yella hi @YellowSnow

    I don't argue the pros and cons of belonging to AARP with @RaceBannon

    I don't argue vintage porn trivia with @PurpleThrobber (Christy Canyon damn it!!)

    I don't debate the most effective means of pest control with @Swaye,

    AND

    I don't argue the economis with @UW_Doog_Bot

    I just don't!

    The synthesis of his economic beliefs is when the government does something it’s socialism. Any market intervetion is the “socialist playbook”. What a fraud.
    I'm trying to be balanced here, because I am a default free market person. I do not think that is an accurate description of @UW_Doog_Bot 's political-economic philosophy. The government does some things well, and by "well", I don't mean that there are goods and services that they produce and deliver with any economic efficiency, but rather that they are the actor in the best position to reasonably offer the good or service. But to deny that the government fucks things up on the norm is to be intellectually dishonest. Again, that doesn't mean I don't see a role for the guv. For example, I'm a supporter of public education, but it's as flawed as all get-out. Still, we need it, in my view. I don't think @UW_Doog_Bot is necessarily antagonistic to that view all the way around.
    @UW_Doog_Bot is what you call a lower case "L" libertarian as opposed to 2 silver dollar, crack pot Libertarian. Funny enough, my first exposure to 2 silver dollar, crack pot Libertarianism came from one of my parents best fren's who lives about 5 mins down the road from Mr. Bot. The guy's daughter basically runs the home schooling community in the OC.
    I'm not even really a lower case libertarian. I believe in too many radical concepts like the EPA, education vouchers, the FED and economic policy, National Parks, the supremacy of federal law guaranteeing civil rights, the universality of human rights and our responsibility to help support them around the world, national borders, etc.

    I'm more like the forgotten part of the GOP when they were still into environmentalism but also limited government. Or the forgotten part of the 90's Dems when Bill started crossing the isle maybe? Not sure, I don't really fit too many places easily. Very few economists do. Maybe I can fill out a questionnaire for you and with your superior historical knowledge you can tell me what party of what era I belong to.

    I can tell you I'm on opposite axis from communists and fascists!
    I feel the same, even though I've been tagged with bob's dreaded "gang of liberal Hondo interventionists", whatever that means.
    Bob thinks if you aren't far right. Then you are left and everyone on the left is a Communist bent on destroying America. And therefore we all think the same.
    I challenge to go 24 hours without fucking even one strawman's ass Hondo.


  • UW_Doog_BotUW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 15,779 Swaye's Wigwam

    Some things I don't do:

    I don't surf in water that I can't see through

    I don't fuck around with the DOJ

    I don't tell my wife what I really think ... about much of anything

    I don't joke about hijacking anything at the airport

    I don't argue music, rowboat, history or tall person trivia with Yella hi @YellowSnow

    I don't argue the pros and cons of belonging to AARP with @RaceBannon

    I don't argue vintage porn trivia with @PurpleThrobber (Christy Canyon damn it!!)

    I don't debate the most effective means of pest control with @Swaye,

    AND

    I don't argue the economis with @UW_Doog_Bot

    I just don't!

    The synthesis of his economic beliefs is when the government does something it’s socialism. Any market intervetion is the “socialist playbook”. What a fraud.
    I'm trying to be balanced here, because I am a default free market person. I do not think that is an accurate description of @UW_Doog_Bot 's political-economic philosophy. The government does some things well, and by "well", I don't mean that there are goods and services that they produce and deliver with any economic efficiency, but rather that they are the actor in the best position to reasonably offer the good or service. But to deny that the government fucks things up on the norm is to be intellectually dishonest. Again, that doesn't mean I don't see a role for the guv. For example, I'm a supporter of public education, but it's as flawed as all get-out. Still, we need it, in my view. I don't think @UW_Doog_Bot is necessarily antagonistic to that view all the way around.
    @UW_Doog_Bot is what you call a lower case "L" libertarian as opposed to 2 silver dollar, crack pot Libertarian. Funny enough, my first exposure to 2 silver dollar, crack pot Libertarianism came from one of my parents best fren's who lives about 5 mins down the road from Mr. Bot. The guy's daughter basically runs the home schooling community in the OC.
    I'm not even really a lower case libertarian. I believe in too many radical concepts like the EPA, education vouchers, the FED and economic policy, National Parks, the supremacy of federal law guaranteeing civil rights, the universality of human rights and our responsibility to help support them around the world, national borders, etc.

    I'm more like the forgotten part of the GOP when they were still into environmentalism but also limited government. Or the forgotten part of the 90's Dems when Bill started crossing the isle maybe? Not sure, I don't really fit too many places easily. Very few economists do. Maybe I can fill out a questionnaire for you and with your superior historical knowledge you can tell me what party of what era I belong to.

    I can tell you I'm on opposite axis from communists and fascists!
    I feel the same, even though I've been tagged with bob's dreaded "gang of liberal Hondo interventionists", whatever that means.
    Reasonable and tolerant people can disagree. I think it's pretty clear who is who in the Tug.
  • creepycougcreepycoug Member Posts: 23,210

    Some things I don't do:

    I don't surf in water that I can't see through

    I don't fuck around with the DOJ

    I don't tell my wife what I really think ... about much of anything

    I don't joke about hijacking anything at the airport

    I don't argue music, rowboat, history or tall person trivia with Yella hi @YellowSnow

    I don't argue the pros and cons of belonging to AARP with @RaceBannon

    I don't argue vintage porn trivia with @PurpleThrobber (Christy Canyon damn it!!)

    I don't debate the most effective means of pest control with @Swaye,

    AND

    I don't argue the economis with @UW_Doog_Bot

    I just don't!

    The synthesis of his economic beliefs is when the government does something it’s socialism. Any market intervetion is the “socialist playbook”. What a fraud.
    I'm trying to be balanced here, because I am a default free market person. I do not think that is an accurate description of @UW_Doog_Bot 's political-economic philosophy. The government does some things well, and by "well", I don't mean that there are goods and services that they produce and deliver with any economic efficiency, but rather that they are the actor in the best position to reasonably offer the good or service. But to deny that the government fucks things up on the norm is to be intellectually dishonest. Again, that doesn't mean I don't see a role for the guv. For example, I'm a supporter of public education, but it's as flawed as all get-out. Still, we need it, in my view. I don't think @UW_Doog_Bot is necessarily antagonistic to that view all the way around.
    @UW_Doog_Bot is what you call a lower case "L" libertarian as opposed to 2 silver dollar, crack pot Libertarian. Funny enough, my first exposure to 2 silver dollar, crack pot Libertarianism came from one of my parents best fren's who lives about 5 mins down the road from Mr. Bot. The guy's daughter basically runs the home schooling community in the OC.
    I'm not even really a lower case libertarian. I believe in too many radical concepts like the EPA, education vouchers, the FED and economic policy, National Parks, the supremacy of federal law guaranteeing civil rights, the universality of human rights and our responsibility to help support them around the world, national borders, etc.

    I'm more like the forgotten part of the GOP when they were still into environmentalism but also limited government. Or the forgotten part of the 90's Dems when Bill started crossing the isle maybe? Not sure, I don't really fit too many places easily. Very few economists do. Maybe I can fill out a questionnaire for you and with your superior historical knowledge you can tell me what party of what era I belong to.

    I can tell you I'm on opposite axis from communists and fascists!
    I feel the same, even though I've been tagged with bob's dreaded "gang of liberal Hondo interventionists", whatever that means.
    Reasonable and tolerant people can disagree. I think it's pretty clear who is who in the Tug.
    Indeed it is.

    Get ready for it .... 1, 2, tres ....
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