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  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 37,683 Standard Supporter
    edited February 2019
    HardlyClothed said:

    UW_Doog_Bot said:

    HardlyClothed said:

    You would know more about real world economics by studying the history of late 19th/early 20th century labor movements in the United States than whatever you think passes for “economic literacy”

    Yeah, why study a science when you can cherry pick some parts of history and spin them how you want. The gilded age never had any rent seeking, lobbying, or judicious use of imminent domain. JFC.

    Oh wait, shit, I've actually read Marx, Keynes, Rawls, and a whole host of other 19th and 20th century philosophers, economists, and historians.

    I'm sorry the UW education system isn't skewed liberal enough for you.
    And yet you still espouse a political ideology with fantasy solutions that only result in private individuals and corporations accumulating more wealth and power over the rest of us. But as long it’s not the “state”.
    So your not a private person who can accumulate more wealth? Get a better job. You are free to work two jobs. Many have and many do.

    Getting ahead is you fucking job not your fellow citizens. You think it's ok to take their hard earned money and live off the sweat of their brow.

    You want a political system that has murdered more than 100 million people. I won't allow it. Get your revolution hat on I'll be on the other side. Make it brightly colored. Crosshairs show up better.

    Grow a set.
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  • creepycoug
    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,017
    edited February 2019
    Some things I don't do:

    I don't surf in water that I can't see through

    I don't fuck around with the DOJ

    I don't tell my wife what I really think ... about much of anything

    I don't joke about hijacking anything at the airport

    I don't argue music, rowboat, history or tall person trivia with Yella hi @YellowSnow

    I don't argue the pros and cons of belonging to AARP with @RaceBannon

    I don't argue vintage porn trivia with @PurpleThrobber (Christy Canyon damn it!!)

    I don't debate the most effective means of pest control with @Swaye,

    AND

    I don't argue the economis with @UW_Doog_Bot

    I just don't!
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  • PurpleThrobber
    PurpleThrobber Member Posts: 48,027
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  • sarktastic
    sarktastic Member Posts: 9,208
    SFGbob said:

    Wow I wonder why Wal Mart isn’t voluntary paying their thousands of workers better than minimum wage then.

    They already do. You just swallow like a bitch every AOC talking point she feeds you don't you dumbfuck. Federal minimum wage is $7.25 an hour. Walmart's entry level wage in all states in $11.00 an hour and of course if they are operating in a state that has a higher MW they pay that wage.


    Wow I wonder why you swallow like a bitch?

    I was in Dickinson ND in October. Big sign at Both enterances. Outlined in Neon.



    Walmart is Hiring

    Starting Pay $24/hour

    All Departments

    Full time with Benefits

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  • PurpleThrobber
    PurpleThrobber Member Posts: 48,027
    sarktastic said:

    SFGbob said:

    Wow I wonder why Wal Mart isn’t voluntary paying their thousands of workers better than minimum wage then.

    They already do. You just swallow like a bitch every AOC talking point she feeds you don't you dumbfuck. Federal minimum wage is $7.25 an hour. Walmart's entry level wage in all states in $11.00 an hour and of course if they are operating in a state that has a higher MW they pay that wage.


    Wow I wonder why you swallow like a bitch?

    I was in Dickinson ND in October. Big sign at Both enterances. Outlined in Neon.



    Walmart is Hiring

    Starting Pay $24/hour

    All Departments

    Full time with Benefits

    You poor bastard. But it could have been worse.

    Two words: Watford City

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  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,183
    sarktastic said:

    SFGbob said:

    Wow I wonder why Wal Mart isn’t voluntary paying their thousands of workers better than minimum wage then.

    They already do. You just swallow like a bitch every AOC talking point she feeds you don't you dumbfuck. Federal minimum wage is $7.25 an hour. Walmart's entry level wage in all states in $11.00 an hour and of course if they are operating in a state that has a higher MW they pay that wage.


    Wow I wonder why you swallow like a bitch?

    I was in Dickinson ND in October. Big sign at Both enterances. Outlined in Neon.



    Walmart is Hiring

    Starting Pay $24/hour

    All Departments

    Full time with Benefits

    You'll notice that like most all leftists after he stated that line of crap and was shown to be a fool he runs and hides and acts like he never said it.

    Mother fucker just swallowed like a bitch the talking points that were fed to him.
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  • YellowSnow
    YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,217 Founders Club
    creepycoug said:

    Some things I don't do:

    I don't surf in water that I can't see through

    I don't fuck around with the DOJ

    I don't tell my wife what I really think ... about much of anything

    I don't joke about hijacking anything at the airport

    I don't argue music, rowboat, history or tall person trivia with Yella hi @YellowSnow

    I don't argue the pros and cons of belonging to AARP with @RaceBannon

    I don't argue vintage porn trivia with @PurpleThrobber (Christy Canyon damn it!!)

    I don't debate the most effective means of pest control with @Swaye,

    AND

    I don't argue the economis with @UW_Doog_Bot

    I just don't!

    I don't argue abortion with @creepycoug
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  • HardlyClothed
    HardlyClothed Member Posts: 937
    creepycoug said:

    Some things I don't do:

    I don't surf in water that I can't see through

    I don't fuck around with the DOJ

    I don't tell my wife what I really think ... about much of anything

    I don't joke about hijacking anything at the airport

    I don't argue music, rowboat, history or tall person trivia with Yella hi @YellowSnow

    I don't argue the pros and cons of belonging to AARP with @RaceBannon

    I don't argue vintage porn trivia with @PurpleThrobber (Christy Canyon damn it!!)

    I don't debate the most effective means of pest control with @Swaye,

    AND

    I don't argue the economis with @UW_Doog_Bot

    I just don't!

    The synthesis of his economic beliefs is when the government does something it’s socialism. Any market intervetion is the “socialist playbook”. What a fraud.
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  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,183
    HardlyClothed said:

    creepycoug said:

    Some things I don't do:

    I don't surf in water that I can't see through

    I don't fuck around with the DOJ

    I don't tell my wife what I really think ... about much of anything

    I don't joke about hijacking anything at the airport

    I don't argue music, rowboat, history or tall person trivia with Yella hi @YellowSnow

    I don't argue the pros and cons of belonging to AARP with @RaceBannon

    I don't argue vintage porn trivia with @PurpleThrobber (Christy Canyon damn it!!)

    I don't debate the most effective means of pest control with @Swaye,

    AND

    I don't argue the economis with @UW_Doog_Bot

    I just don't!

    The synthesis of his economic beliefs is when the government does something it’s socialism. Any market intervetion is the “socialist playbook”. What a fraud.
    Are you this dishonest and pathetic with all of your social interactions or are you just treating us all to this behavior? Why did you lie and claim Walmart doesn't pay the minimum wage?
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  • creepycoug
    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,017
    edited February 2019
    HardlyClothed said:

    creepycoug said:

    Some things I don't do:

    I don't surf in water that I can't see through

    I don't fuck around with the DOJ

    I don't tell my wife what I really think ... about much of anything

    I don't joke about hijacking anything at the airport

    I don't argue music, rowboat, history or tall person trivia with Yella hi @YellowSnow

    I don't argue the pros and cons of belonging to AARP with @RaceBannon

    I don't argue vintage porn trivia with @PurpleThrobber (Christy Canyon damn it!!)

    I don't debate the most effective means of pest control with @Swaye,

    AND

    I don't argue the economis with @UW_Doog_Bot

    I just don't!

    The synthesis of his economic beliefs is when the government does something it’s socialism. Any market intervetion is the “socialist playbook”. What a fraud.
    I'm trying to be balanced here, because I am a default free market person. I do not think that is an accurate description of @UW_Doog_Bot 's political-economic philosophy. The government does some things well, and by "well", I don't mean that there are goods and services that they produce and deliver with any economic efficiency, but rather that they are the actor in the best position to reasonably offer the good or service. But to deny that the government fucks things up on the norm is to be intellectually dishonest. Again, that doesn't mean I don't see a role for the guv. For example, I'm a supporter of public education, but it's as flawed as all get-out. Still, we need it, in my view. I don't think @UW_Doog_Bot is necessarily antagonistic to that view all the way around.
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  • YellowSnow
    YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,217 Founders Club
    creepycoug said:

    HardlyClothed said:

    creepycoug said:

    Some things I don't do:

    I don't surf in water that I can't see through

    I don't fuck around with the DOJ

    I don't tell my wife what I really think ... about much of anything

    I don't joke about hijacking anything at the airport

    I don't argue music, rowboat, history or tall person trivia with Yella hi @YellowSnow

    I don't argue the pros and cons of belonging to AARP with @RaceBannon

    I don't argue vintage porn trivia with @PurpleThrobber (Christy Canyon damn it!!)

    I don't debate the most effective means of pest control with @Swaye,

    AND

    I don't argue the economis with @UW_Doog_Bot

    I just don't!

    The synthesis of his economic beliefs is when the government does something it’s socialism. Any market intervetion is the “socialist playbook”. What a fraud.
    I'm trying to be balanced here, because I am a default free market person. I do not think that is an accurate description of @UW_Doog_Bot 's political-economic philosophy. The government does some things well, and by "well", I don't mean that there are goods and services that they produce and deliver with any economic efficiency, but rather that they are the actor in the best position to reasonably offer the good or service. But to deny that the government fucks things up on the norm is to be intellectually dishonest. Again, that doesn't mean I don't see a role for the guv. For example, I'm a supporter of public education, but it's as flawed as all get-out. Still, we need it, in my view. I don't think @UW_Doog_Bot is necessarily antagonistic to that view all the way around.
    @UW_Doog_Bot is what you call a lower case "L" libertarian as opposed to 2 silver dollar, crack pot Libertarian. Funny enough, my first exposure to 2 silver dollar, crack pot Libertarianism came from one of my parents best fren's who lives about 5 mins down the road from Mr. Bot. The guy's daughter basically runs the home schooling community in the OC.
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  • UW_Doog_Bot
    UW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 18,047 Founders Club
    creepycoug said:

    HardlyClothed said:

    creepycoug said:

    Some things I don't do:

    I don't surf in water that I can't see through

    I don't fuck around with the DOJ

    I don't tell my wife what I really think ... about much of anything

    I don't joke about hijacking anything at the airport

    I don't argue music, rowboat, history or tall person trivia with Yella hi @YellowSnow

    I don't argue the pros and cons of belonging to AARP with @RaceBannon

    I don't argue vintage porn trivia with @PurpleThrobber (Christy Canyon damn it!!)

    I don't debate the most effective means of pest control with @Swaye,

    AND

    I don't argue the economis with @UW_Doog_Bot

    I just don't!

    The synthesis of his economic beliefs is when the government does something it’s socialism. Any market intervetion is the “socialist playbook”. What a fraud.
    I'm trying to be balanced here, because I am a default free market person. I do not think that is an accurate description of @UW_Doog_Bot 's political-economic philosophy. The government does some things well, and by "well", I don't mean that there are goods and services that they produce and deliver with any economic efficiency, but rather that they are the actor in the best position to reasonably offer the good or service. But to deny that the government fucks things up on the norm is to be intellectually dishonest. Again, that doesn't mean I don't see a role for the guv. For example, I'm a supporter of public education, but it's as flawed as all get-out. Still, we need it, in my view. I don't think @UW_Doog_Bot is necessarily antagonistic to that view all the way around.
    Point of fact, I'm actually a moderate liberal as the economics spectrum goes(I've even been accused of being a neo-liberal, gasp!). My default preference is freedom and by extension, free markets. That's Radical American thinking I know but I actually do believe in market intervention as well. It can be summed up pretty simply as "If having the government involved can avoid greater negative externalities then government intervention is justified." Of course, within the bounds of the Feds enumerated powers.(Statists don't understand this point at all)

    The simplest example is defense, having private armies that can be bought and sold could lead to a coup by the highest bidder. This is a greater negative externality than the inefficiency, corruption, and other negative consequences of central planning. Therefore, government intervention is justified.

    Education, the Fed, R&D, Defense, Environment, Finance, Antitrust, Labor laws, even the god damn postal system, there's plenty of intervention I agree with. That doesn't mean that it's efficient, just that there are other factors I consider beyond pure Economics to justify intervention.

    Free Markets are more efficient than central planning(which includes both the pure definition of socialism and lesser forms of intervention such as democratic socialism etc.) If you can show me, with empirical evidence, that a central plan is more efficient, or has a significant other non-economic consideration, then you can change my mind. That's part of being dedicated to a science and not an ideology, being able to consider new evidence and change ones mind and beliefs about the nature of the world.

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  • PurpleThrobber
    PurpleThrobber Member Posts: 48,027
    "The simplest example is defense, having private armies that can be bought and sold could lead to a coup by the highest bidder. This is a greater negative externality than the inefficiency, corruption, and other negative consequences of central planning. Therefore, government intervention is justified."






    The Throbber will be putting together a Reg D offering to purchase a couple battalions. Venmo subscription proceeds to @joobsarmy

    Minimum investment $25K



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  • UW_Doog_Bot
    UW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 18,047 Founders Club
    YellowSnow said:

    creepycoug said:

    HardlyClothed said:

    creepycoug said:

    Some things I don't do:

    I don't surf in water that I can't see through

    I don't fuck around with the DOJ

    I don't tell my wife what I really think ... about much of anything

    I don't joke about hijacking anything at the airport

    I don't argue music, rowboat, history or tall person trivia with Yella hi @YellowSnow

    I don't argue the pros and cons of belonging to AARP with @RaceBannon

    I don't argue vintage porn trivia with @PurpleThrobber (Christy Canyon damn it!!)

    I don't debate the most effective means of pest control with @Swaye,

    AND

    I don't argue the economis with @UW_Doog_Bot

    I just don't!

    The synthesis of his economic beliefs is when the government does something it’s socialism. Any market intervetion is the “socialist playbook”. What a fraud.
    I'm trying to be balanced here, because I am a default free market person. I do not think that is an accurate description of @UW_Doog_Bot 's political-economic philosophy. The government does some things well, and by "well", I don't mean that there are goods and services that they produce and deliver with any economic efficiency, but rather that they are the actor in the best position to reasonably offer the good or service. But to deny that the government fucks things up on the norm is to be intellectually dishonest. Again, that doesn't mean I don't see a role for the guv. For example, I'm a supporter of public education, but it's as flawed as all get-out. Still, we need it, in my view. I don't think @UW_Doog_Bot is necessarily antagonistic to that view all the way around.
    @UW_Doog_Bot is what you call a lower case "L" libertarian as opposed to 2 silver dollar, crack pot Libertarian. Funny enough, my first exposure to 2 silver dollar, crack pot Libertarianism came from one of my parents best fren's who lives about 5 mins down the road from Mr. Bot. The guy's daughter basically runs the home schooling community in the OC.
    I'm not even really a lower case libertarian. I believe in too many radical concepts like the EPA, education vouchers, the FED and economic policy, National Parks, the supremacy of federal law guaranteeing civil rights, the universality of human rights and our responsibility to help support them around the world, national borders, etc.

    I'm more like the forgotten part of the GOP when they were still into environmentalism but also limited government. Or the forgotten part of the 90's Dems when Bill started crossing the isle maybe? Not sure, I don't really fit too many places easily. Very few economists do. Maybe I can fill out a questionnaire for you and with your superior historical knowledge you can tell me what party of what era I belong to.

    I can tell you I'm on opposite axis from communists and fascists!
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  • UW_Doog_Bot
    UW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 18,047 Founders Club
    PurpleThrobber said:

    "The simplest example is defense, having private armies that can be bought and sold could lead to a coup by the highest bidder. This is a greater negative externality than the inefficiency, corruption, and other negative consequences of central planning. Therefore, government intervention is justified."






    The Throbber will be putting together a Reg D offering to purchase a couple battalions. Venmo subscription proceeds to @joobsarmy

    Minimum investment $25K




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  • YellowSnow
    YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,217 Founders Club
    UW_Doog_Bot said:

    YellowSnow said:

    creepycoug said:

    HardlyClothed said:

    creepycoug said:

    Some things I don't do:

    I don't surf in water that I can't see through

    I don't fuck around with the DOJ

    I don't tell my wife what I really think ... about much of anything

    I don't joke about hijacking anything at the airport

    I don't argue music, rowboat, history or tall person trivia with Yella hi @YellowSnow

    I don't argue the pros and cons of belonging to AARP with @RaceBannon

    I don't argue vintage porn trivia with @PurpleThrobber (Christy Canyon damn it!!)

    I don't debate the most effective means of pest control with @Swaye,

    AND

    I don't argue the economis with @UW_Doog_Bot

    I just don't!

    The synthesis of his economic beliefs is when the government does something it’s socialism. Any market intervetion is the “socialist playbook”. What a fraud.
    I'm trying to be balanced here, because I am a default free market person. I do not think that is an accurate description of @UW_Doog_Bot 's political-economic philosophy. The government does some things well, and by "well", I don't mean that there are goods and services that they produce and deliver with any economic efficiency, but rather that they are the actor in the best position to reasonably offer the good or service. But to deny that the government fucks things up on the norm is to be intellectually dishonest. Again, that doesn't mean I don't see a role for the guv. For example, I'm a supporter of public education, but it's as flawed as all get-out. Still, we need it, in my view. I don't think @UW_Doog_Bot is necessarily antagonistic to that view all the way around.
    @UW_Doog_Bot is what you call a lower case "L" libertarian as opposed to 2 silver dollar, crack pot Libertarian. Funny enough, my first exposure to 2 silver dollar, crack pot Libertarianism came from one of my parents best fren's who lives about 5 mins down the road from Mr. Bot. The guy's daughter basically runs the home schooling community in the OC.
    I'm not even really a lower case libertarian. I believe in too many radical concepts like the EPA, education vouchers, the FED and economic policy, National Parks, the supremacy of federal law guaranteeing civil rights, the universality of human rights and our responsibility to help support them around the world, national borders, etc.

    I'm more like the forgotten part of the GOP when they were still into environmentalism but also limited government. Or the forgotten part of the 90's Dems when Bill started crossing the isle maybe? Not sure, I don't really fit too many places easily. Very few economists do. Maybe I can fill out a questionnaire for you and with your superior historical knowledge you can tell me what party of what era I belong to.

    I can tell you I'm on opposite axis from communists and fascists!
    You're what we call a Teddy Roosevelt Republican which is what I am.
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  • UW_Doog_Bot
    UW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 18,047 Founders Club
    YellowSnow said:

    UW_Doog_Bot said:

    YellowSnow said:

    creepycoug said:

    HardlyClothed said:

    creepycoug said:

    Some things I don't do:

    I don't surf in water that I can't see through

    I don't fuck around with the DOJ

    I don't tell my wife what I really think ... about much of anything

    I don't joke about hijacking anything at the airport

    I don't argue music, rowboat, history or tall person trivia with Yella hi @YellowSnow

    I don't argue the pros and cons of belonging to AARP with @RaceBannon

    I don't argue vintage porn trivia with @PurpleThrobber (Christy Canyon damn it!!)

    I don't debate the most effective means of pest control with @Swaye,

    AND

    I don't argue the economis with @UW_Doog_Bot

    I just don't!

    The synthesis of his economic beliefs is when the government does something it’s socialism. Any market intervetion is the “socialist playbook”. What a fraud.
    I'm trying to be balanced here, because I am a default free market person. I do not think that is an accurate description of @UW_Doog_Bot 's political-economic philosophy. The government does some things well, and by "well", I don't mean that there are goods and services that they produce and deliver with any economic efficiency, but rather that they are the actor in the best position to reasonably offer the good or service. But to deny that the government fucks things up on the norm is to be intellectually dishonest. Again, that doesn't mean I don't see a role for the guv. For example, I'm a supporter of public education, but it's as flawed as all get-out. Still, we need it, in my view. I don't think @UW_Doog_Bot is necessarily antagonistic to that view all the way around.
    @UW_Doog_Bot is what you call a lower case "L" libertarian as opposed to 2 silver dollar, crack pot Libertarian. Funny enough, my first exposure to 2 silver dollar, crack pot Libertarianism came from one of my parents best fren's who lives about 5 mins down the road from Mr. Bot. The guy's daughter basically runs the home schooling community in the OC.
    I'm not even really a lower case libertarian. I believe in too many radical concepts like the EPA, education vouchers, the FED and economic policy, National Parks, the supremacy of federal law guaranteeing civil rights, the universality of human rights and our responsibility to help support them around the world, national borders, etc.

    I'm more like the forgotten part of the GOP when they were still into environmentalism but also limited government. Or the forgotten part of the 90's Dems when Bill started crossing the isle maybe? Not sure, I don't really fit too many places easily. Very few economists do. Maybe I can fill out a questionnaire for you and with your superior historical knowledge you can tell me what party of what era I belong to.

    I can tell you I'm on opposite axis from communists and fascists!
    You're what we call a Teddy Roosevelt Republican which is what I am.
    Hahaha I actually put that but then edited it out bc I was unsure. Bull-Moose! Bully!
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  • PurpleThrobber
    PurpleThrobber Member Posts: 48,027
    YellowSnow said:

    UW_Doog_Bot said:

    YellowSnow said:

    creepycoug said:

    HardlyClothed said:

    creepycoug said:

    Some things I don't do:

    I don't surf in water that I can't see through

    I don't fuck around with the DOJ

    I don't tell my wife what I really think ... about much of anything

    I don't joke about hijacking anything at the airport

    I don't argue music, rowboat, history or tall person trivia with Yella hi @YellowSnow

    I don't argue the pros and cons of belonging to AARP with @RaceBannon

    I don't argue vintage porn trivia with @PurpleThrobber (Christy Canyon damn it!!)

    I don't debate the most effective means of pest control with @Swaye,

    AND

    I don't argue the economis with @UW_Doog_Bot

    I just don't!

    The synthesis of his economic beliefs is when the government does something it’s socialism. Any market intervetion is the “socialist playbook”. What a fraud.
    I'm trying to be balanced here, because I am a default free market person. I do not think that is an accurate description of @UW_Doog_Bot 's political-economic philosophy. The government does some things well, and by "well", I don't mean that there are goods and services that they produce and deliver with any economic efficiency, but rather that they are the actor in the best position to reasonably offer the good or service. But to deny that the government fucks things up on the norm is to be intellectually dishonest. Again, that doesn't mean I don't see a role for the guv. For example, I'm a supporter of public education, but it's as flawed as all get-out. Still, we need it, in my view. I don't think @UW_Doog_Bot is necessarily antagonistic to that view all the way around.
    @UW_Doog_Bot is what you call a lower case "L" libertarian as opposed to 2 silver dollar, crack pot Libertarian. Funny enough, my first exposure to 2 silver dollar, crack pot Libertarianism came from one of my parents best fren's who lives about 5 mins down the road from Mr. Bot. The guy's daughter basically runs the home schooling community in the OC.
    I'm not even really a lower case libertarian. I believe in too many radical concepts like the EPA, education vouchers, the FED and economic policy, National Parks, the supremacy of federal law guaranteeing civil rights, the universality of human rights and our responsibility to help support them around the world, national borders, etc.

    I'm more like the forgotten part of the GOP when they were still into environmentalism but also limited government. Or the forgotten part of the 90's Dems when Bill started crossing the isle maybe? Not sure, I don't really fit too many places easily. Very few economists do. Maybe I can fill out a questionnaire for you and with your superior historical knowledge you can tell me what party of what era I belong to.

    I can tell you I'm on opposite axis from communists and fascists!
    You're what we call a Teddy Roosevelt Republican which is what I am.
    #metoo.

    Big Stick, you know. H'eh h'eh h'eh....

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  • HardlyClothed
    HardlyClothed Member Posts: 937
    UW_Doog_Bot said:

    YellowSnow said:

    creepycoug said:

    HardlyClothed said:

    creepycoug said:

    Some things I don't do:

    I don't surf in water that I can't see through

    I don't fuck around with the DOJ

    I don't tell my wife what I really think ... about much of anything

    I don't joke about hijacking anything at the airport

    I don't argue music, rowboat, history or tall person trivia with Yella hi @YellowSnow

    I don't argue the pros and cons of belonging to AARP with @RaceBannon

    I don't argue vintage porn trivia with @PurpleThrobber (Christy Canyon damn it!!)

    I don't debate the most effective means of pest control with @Swaye,

    AND

    I don't argue the economis with @UW_Doog_Bot

    I just don't!

    The synthesis of his economic beliefs is when the government does something it’s socialism. Any market intervetion is the “socialist playbook”. What a fraud.
    I'm trying to be balanced here, because I am a default free market person. I do not think that is an accurate description of @UW_Doog_Bot 's political-economic philosophy. The government does some things well, and by "well", I don't mean that there are goods and services that they produce and deliver with any economic efficiency, but rather that they are the actor in the best position to reasonably offer the good or service. But to deny that the government fucks things up on the norm is to be intellectually dishonest. Again, that doesn't mean I don't see a role for the guv. For example, I'm a supporter of public education, but it's as flawed as all get-out. Still, we need it, in my view. I don't think @UW_Doog_Bot is necessarily antagonistic to that view all the way around.
    @UW_Doog_Bot is what you call a lower case "L" libertarian as opposed to 2 silver dollar, crack pot Libertarian. Funny enough, my first exposure to 2 silver dollar, crack pot Libertarianism came from one of my parents best fren's who lives about 5 mins down the road from Mr. Bot. The guy's daughter basically runs the home schooling community in the OC.
    I'm not even really a lower case libertarian. I believe in too many radical concepts like the EPA, education vouchers, the FED and economic policy, National Parks, the supremacy of federal law guaranteeing civil rights, the universality of human rights and our responsibility to help support them around the world, national borders, etc.

    I'm more like the forgotten part of the GOP when they were still into environmentalism but also limited government. Or the forgotten part of the 90's Dems when Bill started crossing the isle maybe? Not sure, I don't really fit too many places easily. Very few economists do. Maybe I can fill out a questionnaire for you and with your superior historical knowledge you can tell me what party of what era I belong to.

    I can tell you I'm on opposite axis from communists and fascists!
    There is no axis where communists and fascists are on the same side.

    Fascism is a relativey young ideology but in every instance it took power, Hitler, Franco, Mussolini, and later Pinochet, of central importance was the restoration or preservation of capitalism and the social hierarchies it created from challenges to the left. The avowed socialist Allende was the freely elected president of Chile. How authoritarian.

    Again, you default to “big government” is one side of the axis and “free markets” is the other. Total ahistorical bullshit.
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  • YellowSnow
    YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,217 Founders Club
    edited February 2019
    HardlyClothed said:

    UW_Doog_Bot said:

    YellowSnow said:

    creepycoug said:

    HardlyClothed said:

    creepycoug said:

    Some things I don't do:

    I don't surf in water that I can't see through

    I don't fuck around with the DOJ

    I don't tell my wife what I really think ... about much of anything

    I don't joke about hijacking anything at the airport

    I don't argue music, rowboat, history or tall person trivia with Yella hi @YellowSnow

    I don't argue the pros and cons of belonging to AARP with @RaceBannon

    I don't argue vintage porn trivia with @PurpleThrobber (Christy Canyon damn it!!)

    I don't debate the most effective means of pest control with @Swaye,

    AND

    I don't argue the economis with @UW_Doog_Bot

    I just don't!

    The synthesis of his economic beliefs is when the government does something it’s socialism. Any market intervetion is the “socialist playbook”. What a fraud.
    I'm trying to be balanced here, because I am a default free market person. I do not think that is an accurate description of @UW_Doog_Bot 's political-economic philosophy. The government does some things well, and by "well", I don't mean that there are goods and services that they produce and deliver with any economic efficiency, but rather that they are the actor in the best position to reasonably offer the good or service. But to deny that the government fucks things up on the norm is to be intellectually dishonest. Again, that doesn't mean I don't see a role for the guv. For example, I'm a supporter of public education, but it's as flawed as all get-out. Still, we need it, in my view. I don't think @UW_Doog_Bot is necessarily antagonistic to that view all the way around.
    @UW_Doog_Bot is what you call a lower case "L" libertarian as opposed to 2 silver dollar, crack pot Libertarian. Funny enough, my first exposure to 2 silver dollar, crack pot Libertarianism came from one of my parents best fren's who lives about 5 mins down the road from Mr. Bot. The guy's daughter basically runs the home schooling community in the OC.
    I'm not even really a lower case libertarian. I believe in too many radical concepts like the EPA, education vouchers, the FED and economic policy, National Parks, the supremacy of federal law guaranteeing civil rights, the universality of human rights and our responsibility to help support them around the world, national borders, etc.

    I'm more like the forgotten part of the GOP when they were still into environmentalism but also limited government. Or the forgotten part of the 90's Dems when Bill started crossing the isle maybe? Not sure, I don't really fit too many places easily. Very few economists do. Maybe I can fill out a questionnaire for you and with your superior historical knowledge you can tell me what party of what era I belong to.

    I can tell you I'm on opposite axis from communists and fascists!
    There is no axis where communists and fascists are on the same side.

    Fascism is a relativey young ideology but in every instance it took power, Hitler, Franco, Mussolini, and later Pinochet, of central importance was the restoration or preservation of capitalism and the social hierarchies it created from challenges to the left. The avowed socialist Allende was the freely elected president of Chile. How authoritarian.

    Again, you default to “big government” is one side of the axis and “free markets” is the other. Total ahistorical bullshit.
    Hitler was democratically elected too. People forget this.
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  • HardlyClothed
    HardlyClothed Member Posts: 937
    YellowSnow said:

    HardlyClothed said:

    UW_Doog_Bot said:

    YellowSnow said:

    creepycoug said:

    HardlyClothed said:

    creepycoug said:

    Some things I don't do:

    I don't surf in water that I can't see through

    I don't fuck around with the DOJ

    I don't tell my wife what I really think ... about much of anything

    I don't joke about hijacking anything at the airport

    I don't argue music, rowboat, history or tall person trivia with Yella hi @YellowSnow

    I don't argue the pros and cons of belonging to AARP with @RaceBannon

    I don't argue vintage porn trivia with @PurpleThrobber (Christy Canyon damn it!!)

    I don't debate the most effective means of pest control with @Swaye,

    AND

    I don't argue the economis with @UW_Doog_Bot

    I just don't!

    The synthesis of his economic beliefs is when the government does something it’s socialism. Any market intervetion is the “socialist playbook”. What a fraud.
    I'm trying to be balanced here, because I am a default free market person. I do not think that is an accurate description of @UW_Doog_Bot 's political-economic philosophy. The government does some things well, and by "well", I don't mean that there are goods and services that they produce and deliver with any economic efficiency, but rather that they are the actor in the best position to reasonably offer the good or service. But to deny that the government fucks things up on the norm is to be intellectually dishonest. Again, that doesn't mean I don't see a role for the guv. For example, I'm a supporter of public education, but it's as flawed as all get-out. Still, we need it, in my view. I don't think @UW_Doog_Bot is necessarily antagonistic to that view all the way around.
    @UW_Doog_Bot is what you call a lower case "L" libertarian as opposed to 2 silver dollar, crack pot Libertarian. Funny enough, my first exposure to 2 silver dollar, crack pot Libertarianism came from one of my parents best fren's who lives about 5 mins down the road from Mr. Bot. The guy's daughter basically runs the home schooling community in the OC.
    I'm not even really a lower case libertarian. I believe in too many radical concepts like the EPA, education vouchers, the FED and economic policy, National Parks, the supremacy of federal law guaranteeing civil rights, the universality of human rights and our responsibility to help support them around the world, national borders, etc.

    I'm more like the forgotten part of the GOP when they were still into environmentalism but also limited government. Or the forgotten part of the 90's Dems when Bill started crossing the isle maybe? Not sure, I don't really fit too many places easily. Very few economists do. Maybe I can fill out a questionnaire for you and with your superior historical knowledge you can tell me what party of what era I belong to.

    I can tell you I'm on opposite axis from communists and fascists!
    There is no axis where communists and fascists are on the same side.

    Fascism is a relativey young ideology but in every instance it took power, Hitler, Franco, Mussolini, and later Pinochet, of central importance was the restoration or preservation of capitalism and the social hierarchies it created from challenges to the left. The avowed socialist Allende was the freely elected president of Chile. How authoritarian.

    Again, you default to “big government” is one side of the axis and “free markets” is the other. Total ahistorical bullshit.
    Hitler was democratically elected too. People forget this.
    Because the German center-left capitulated to the Nazis in fear of the growing popularity of the German communist party. Some lessons to be learned there!
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  • UW_Doog_Bot
    UW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 18,047 Founders Club
    HardlyClothed said:

    UW_Doog_Bot said:

    YellowSnow said:

    creepycoug said:

    HardlyClothed said:

    creepycoug said:

    Some things I don't do:

    I don't surf in water that I can't see through

    I don't fuck around with the DOJ

    I don't tell my wife what I really think ... about much of anything

    I don't joke about hijacking anything at the airport

    I don't argue music, rowboat, history or tall person trivia with Yella hi @YellowSnow

    I don't argue the pros and cons of belonging to AARP with @RaceBannon

    I don't argue vintage porn trivia with @PurpleThrobber (Christy Canyon damn it!!)

    I don't debate the most effective means of pest control with @Swaye,

    AND

    I don't argue the economis with @UW_Doog_Bot

    I just don't!

    The synthesis of his economic beliefs is when the government does something it’s socialism. Any market intervetion is the “socialist playbook”. What a fraud.
    I'm trying to be balanced here, because I am a default free market person. I do not think that is an accurate description of @UW_Doog_Bot 's political-economic philosophy. The government does some things well, and by "well", I don't mean that there are goods and services that they produce and deliver with any economic efficiency, but rather that they are the actor in the best position to reasonably offer the good or service. But to deny that the government fucks things up on the norm is to be intellectually dishonest. Again, that doesn't mean I don't see a role for the guv. For example, I'm a supporter of public education, but it's as flawed as all get-out. Still, we need it, in my view. I don't think @UW_Doog_Bot is necessarily antagonistic to that view all the way around.
    @UW_Doog_Bot is what you call a lower case "L" libertarian as opposed to 2 silver dollar, crack pot Libertarian. Funny enough, my first exposure to 2 silver dollar, crack pot Libertarianism came from one of my parents best fren's who lives about 5 mins down the road from Mr. Bot. The guy's daughter basically runs the home schooling community in the OC.
    I'm not even really a lower case libertarian. I believe in too many radical concepts like the EPA, education vouchers, the FED and economic policy, National Parks, the supremacy of federal law guaranteeing civil rights, the universality of human rights and our responsibility to help support them around the world, national borders, etc.

    I'm more like the forgotten part of the GOP when they were still into environmentalism but also limited government. Or the forgotten part of the 90's Dems when Bill started crossing the isle maybe? Not sure, I don't really fit too many places easily. Very few economists do. Maybe I can fill out a questionnaire for you and with your superior historical knowledge you can tell me what party of what era I belong to.

    I can tell you I'm on opposite axis from communists and fascists!
    There is no axis where communists and fascists are on the same side.

    Fascism is a relativey young ideology but in every instance it took power, Hitler, Franco, Mussolini, and later Pinochet, of central importance was the restoration or preservation of capitalism and the social hierarchies it created from challenges to the left. The avowed socialist Allende was the freely elected president of Chile. How authoritarian.

    Again, you default to “big government” is one side of the axis and “free markets” is the other. Total ahistorical bullshit.
    Man, you've gotta somehow be new to politics on the internet to be this ignorant. What if I told you that there's more than one axis of right and left in political ideology?
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  • HardlyClothed
    HardlyClothed Member Posts: 937
    UW_Doog_Bot said:

    HardlyClothed said:

    UW_Doog_Bot said:

    YellowSnow said:

    creepycoug said:

    HardlyClothed said:

    creepycoug said:

    Some things I don't do:

    I don't surf in water that I can't see through

    I don't fuck around with the DOJ

    I don't tell my wife what I really think ... about much of anything

    I don't joke about hijacking anything at the airport

    I don't argue music, rowboat, history or tall person trivia with Yella hi @YellowSnow

    I don't argue the pros and cons of belonging to AARP with @RaceBannon

    I don't argue vintage porn trivia with @PurpleThrobber (Christy Canyon damn it!!)

    I don't debate the most effective means of pest control with @Swaye,

    AND

    I don't argue the economis with @UW_Doog_Bot

    I just don't!

    The synthesis of his economic beliefs is when the government does something it’s socialism. Any market intervetion is the “socialist playbook”. What a fraud.
    I'm trying to be balanced here, because I am a default free market person. I do not think that is an accurate description of @UW_Doog_Bot 's political-economic philosophy. The government does some things well, and by "well", I don't mean that there are goods and services that they produce and deliver with any economic efficiency, but rather that they are the actor in the best position to reasonably offer the good or service. But to deny that the government fucks things up on the norm is to be intellectually dishonest. Again, that doesn't mean I don't see a role for the guv. For example, I'm a supporter of public education, but it's as flawed as all get-out. Still, we need it, in my view. I don't think @UW_Doog_Bot is necessarily antagonistic to that view all the way around.
    @UW_Doog_Bot is what you call a lower case "L" libertarian as opposed to 2 silver dollar, crack pot Libertarian. Funny enough, my first exposure to 2 silver dollar, crack pot Libertarianism came from one of my parents best fren's who lives about 5 mins down the road from Mr. Bot. The guy's daughter basically runs the home schooling community in the OC.
    I'm not even really a lower case libertarian. I believe in too many radical concepts like the EPA, education vouchers, the FED and economic policy, National Parks, the supremacy of federal law guaranteeing civil rights, the universality of human rights and our responsibility to help support them around the world, national borders, etc.

    I'm more like the forgotten part of the GOP when they were still into environmentalism but also limited government. Or the forgotten part of the 90's Dems when Bill started crossing the isle maybe? Not sure, I don't really fit too many places easily. Very few economists do. Maybe I can fill out a questionnaire for you and with your superior historical knowledge you can tell me what party of what era I belong to.

    I can tell you I'm on opposite axis from communists and fascists!
    There is no axis where communists and fascists are on the same side.

    Fascism is a relativey young ideology but in every instance it took power, Hitler, Franco, Mussolini, and later Pinochet, of central importance was the restoration or preservation of capitalism and the social hierarchies it created from challenges to the left. The avowed socialist Allende was the freely elected president of Chile. How authoritarian.

    Again, you default to “big government” is one side of the axis and “free markets” is the other. Total ahistorical bullshit.
    Man, you've gotta somehow be new to politics on the internet to be this ignorant. What if I told you that there's more than one axis of right and left in political ideology?
    I’m not new to this because I know you’re going to bring up discredited horseshoe theory to say the far left and far right are actually closer to each other than the center.
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  • UW_Doog_Bot
    UW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 18,047 Founders Club
    HardlyClothed said:

    UW_Doog_Bot said:

    HardlyClothed said:

    UW_Doog_Bot said:

    YellowSnow said:

    creepycoug said:

    HardlyClothed said:

    creepycoug said:

    Some things I don't do:

    I don't surf in water that I can't see through

    I don't fuck around with the DOJ

    I don't tell my wife what I really think ... about much of anything

    I don't joke about hijacking anything at the airport

    I don't argue music, rowboat, history or tall person trivia with Yella hi @YellowSnow

    I don't argue the pros and cons of belonging to AARP with @RaceBannon

    I don't argue vintage porn trivia with @PurpleThrobber (Christy Canyon damn it!!)

    I don't debate the most effective means of pest control with @Swaye,

    AND

    I don't argue the economis with @UW_Doog_Bot

    I just don't!

    The synthesis of his economic beliefs is when the government does something it’s socialism. Any market intervetion is the “socialist playbook”. What a fraud.
    I'm trying to be balanced here, because I am a default free market person. I do not think that is an accurate description of @UW_Doog_Bot 's political-economic philosophy. The government does some things well, and by "well", I don't mean that there are goods and services that they produce and deliver with any economic efficiency, but rather that they are the actor in the best position to reasonably offer the good or service. But to deny that the government fucks things up on the norm is to be intellectually dishonest. Again, that doesn't mean I don't see a role for the guv. For example, I'm a supporter of public education, but it's as flawed as all get-out. Still, we need it, in my view. I don't think @UW_Doog_Bot is necessarily antagonistic to that view all the way around.
    @UW_Doog_Bot is what you call a lower case "L" libertarian as opposed to 2 silver dollar, crack pot Libertarian. Funny enough, my first exposure to 2 silver dollar, crack pot Libertarianism came from one of my parents best fren's who lives about 5 mins down the road from Mr. Bot. The guy's daughter basically runs the home schooling community in the OC.
    I'm not even really a lower case libertarian. I believe in too many radical concepts like the EPA, education vouchers, the FED and economic policy, National Parks, the supremacy of federal law guaranteeing civil rights, the universality of human rights and our responsibility to help support them around the world, national borders, etc.

    I'm more like the forgotten part of the GOP when they were still into environmentalism but also limited government. Or the forgotten part of the 90's Dems when Bill started crossing the isle maybe? Not sure, I don't really fit too many places easily. Very few economists do. Maybe I can fill out a questionnaire for you and with your superior historical knowledge you can tell me what party of what era I belong to.

    I can tell you I'm on opposite axis from communists and fascists!
    There is no axis where communists and fascists are on the same side.

    Fascism is a relativey young ideology but in every instance it took power, Hitler, Franco, Mussolini, and later Pinochet, of central importance was the restoration or preservation of capitalism and the social hierarchies it created from challenges to the left. The avowed socialist Allende was the freely elected president of Chile. How authoritarian.

    Again, you default to “big government” is one side of the axis and “free markets” is the other. Total ahistorical bullshit.
    Man, you've gotta somehow be new to politics on the internet to be this ignorant. What if I told you that there's more than one axis of right and left in political ideology?
    I’m not new to this because I know you’re going to bring up discredited horseshoe theory to say the far left and far right are actually closer to each other than the center.
    Woooooooooshhhhhhhh
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  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,726 Founders Club
    HardlyClothed said:

    YellowSnow said:

    HardlyClothed said:

    UW_Doog_Bot said:

    YellowSnow said:

    creepycoug said:

    HardlyClothed said:

    creepycoug said:

    Some things I don't do:

    I don't surf in water that I can't see through

    I don't fuck around with the DOJ

    I don't tell my wife what I really think ... about much of anything

    I don't joke about hijacking anything at the airport

    I don't argue music, rowboat, history or tall person trivia with Yella hi @YellowSnow

    I don't argue the pros and cons of belonging to AARP with @RaceBannon

    I don't argue vintage porn trivia with @PurpleThrobber (Christy Canyon damn it!!)

    I don't debate the most effective means of pest control with @Swaye,

    AND

    I don't argue the economis with @UW_Doog_Bot

    I just don't!

    The synthesis of his economic beliefs is when the government does something it’s socialism. Any market intervetion is the “socialist playbook”. What a fraud.
    I'm trying to be balanced here, because I am a default free market person. I do not think that is an accurate description of @UW_Doog_Bot 's political-economic philosophy. The government does some things well, and by "well", I don't mean that there are goods and services that they produce and deliver with any economic efficiency, but rather that they are the actor in the best position to reasonably offer the good or service. But to deny that the government fucks things up on the norm is to be intellectually dishonest. Again, that doesn't mean I don't see a role for the guv. For example, I'm a supporter of public education, but it's as flawed as all get-out. Still, we need it, in my view. I don't think @UW_Doog_Bot is necessarily antagonistic to that view all the way around.
    @UW_Doog_Bot is what you call a lower case "L" libertarian as opposed to 2 silver dollar, crack pot Libertarian. Funny enough, my first exposure to 2 silver dollar, crack pot Libertarianism came from one of my parents best fren's who lives about 5 mins down the road from Mr. Bot. The guy's daughter basically runs the home schooling community in the OC.
    I'm not even really a lower case libertarian. I believe in too many radical concepts like the EPA, education vouchers, the FED and economic policy, National Parks, the supremacy of federal law guaranteeing civil rights, the universality of human rights and our responsibility to help support them around the world, national borders, etc.

    I'm more like the forgotten part of the GOP when they were still into environmentalism but also limited government. Or the forgotten part of the 90's Dems when Bill started crossing the isle maybe? Not sure, I don't really fit too many places easily. Very few economists do. Maybe I can fill out a questionnaire for you and with your superior historical knowledge you can tell me what party of what era I belong to.

    I can tell you I'm on opposite axis from communists and fascists!
    There is no axis where communists and fascists are on the same side.

    Fascism is a relativey young ideology but in every instance it took power, Hitler, Franco, Mussolini, and later Pinochet, of central importance was the restoration or preservation of capitalism and the social hierarchies it created from challenges to the left. The avowed socialist Allende was the freely elected president of Chile. How authoritarian.

    Again, you default to “big government” is one side of the axis and “free markets” is the other. Total ahistorical bullshit.
    Hitler was democratically elected too. People forget this.
    Because the German center-left capitulated to the Nazis in fear of the growing popularity of the German communist party. Some lessons to be learned there!
    Yes there are

    Hitler took power with street thugs, the wet dream of the American left

    Commies were a great option. Only killed 20 million of their own and were doing pogroms before Hitler was in power

    Opportunity missed I guess by Germany
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  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 37,683 Standard Supporter
    YellowSnow said:

    UW_Doog_Bot said:

    YellowSnow said:

    creepycoug said:

    HardlyClothed said:

    creepycoug said:

    Some things I don't do:

    I don't surf in water that I can't see through

    I don't fuck around with the DOJ

    I don't tell my wife what I really think ... about much of anything

    I don't joke about hijacking anything at the airport

    I don't argue music, rowboat, history or tall person trivia with Yella hi @YellowSnow

    I don't argue the pros and cons of belonging to AARP with @RaceBannon

    I don't argue vintage porn trivia with @PurpleThrobber (Christy Canyon damn it!!)

    I don't debate the most effective means of pest control with @Swaye,

    AND

    I don't argue the economis with @UW_Doog_Bot

    I just don't!

    The synthesis of his economic beliefs is when the government does something it’s socialism. Any market intervetion is the “socialist playbook”. What a fraud.
    I'm trying to be balanced here, because I am a default free market person. I do not think that is an accurate description of @UW_Doog_Bot 's political-economic philosophy. The government does some things well, and by "well", I don't mean that there are goods and services that they produce and deliver with any economic efficiency, but rather that they are the actor in the best position to reasonably offer the good or service. But to deny that the government fucks things up on the norm is to be intellectually dishonest. Again, that doesn't mean I don't see a role for the guv. For example, I'm a supporter of public education, but it's as flawed as all get-out. Still, we need it, in my view. I don't think @UW_Doog_Bot is necessarily antagonistic to that view all the way around.
    @UW_Doog_Bot is what you call a lower case "L" libertarian as opposed to 2 silver dollar, crack pot Libertarian. Funny enough, my first exposure to 2 silver dollar, crack pot Libertarianism came from one of my parents best fren's who lives about 5 mins down the road from Mr. Bot. The guy's daughter basically runs the home schooling community in the OC.
    I'm not even really a lower case libertarian. I believe in too many radical concepts like the EPA, education vouchers, the FED and economic policy, National Parks, the supremacy of federal law guaranteeing civil rights, the universality of human rights and our responsibility to help support them around the world, national borders, etc.

    I'm more like the forgotten part of the GOP when they were still into environmentalism but also limited government. Or the forgotten part of the 90's Dems when Bill started crossing the isle maybe? Not sure, I don't really fit too many places easily. Very few economists do. Maybe I can fill out a questionnaire for you and with your superior historical knowledge you can tell me what party of what era I belong to.

    I can tell you I'm on opposite axis from communists and fascists!
    You're what we call a Teddy Roosevelt Republican which is what I am.
    Teddy knows shit!


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  • YellowSnow
    YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,217 Founders Club
    Sledog said:

    YellowSnow said:

    UW_Doog_Bot said:

    YellowSnow said:

    creepycoug said:

    HardlyClothed said:

    creepycoug said:

    Some things I don't do:

    I don't surf in water that I can't see through

    I don't fuck around with the DOJ

    I don't tell my wife what I really think ... about much of anything

    I don't joke about hijacking anything at the airport

    I don't argue music, rowboat, history or tall person trivia with Yella hi @YellowSnow

    I don't argue the pros and cons of belonging to AARP with @RaceBannon

    I don't argue vintage porn trivia with @PurpleThrobber (Christy Canyon damn it!!)

    I don't debate the most effective means of pest control with @Swaye,

    AND

    I don't argue the economis with @UW_Doog_Bot

    I just don't!

    The synthesis of his economic beliefs is when the government does something it’s socialism. Any market intervetion is the “socialist playbook”. What a fraud.
    I'm trying to be balanced here, because I am a default free market person. I do not think that is an accurate description of @UW_Doog_Bot 's political-economic philosophy. The government does some things well, and by "well", I don't mean that there are goods and services that they produce and deliver with any economic efficiency, but rather that they are the actor in the best position to reasonably offer the good or service. But to deny that the government fucks things up on the norm is to be intellectually dishonest. Again, that doesn't mean I don't see a role for the guv. For example, I'm a supporter of public education, but it's as flawed as all get-out. Still, we need it, in my view. I don't think @UW_Doog_Bot is necessarily antagonistic to that view all the way around.
    @UW_Doog_Bot is what you call a lower case "L" libertarian as opposed to 2 silver dollar, crack pot Libertarian. Funny enough, my first exposure to 2 silver dollar, crack pot Libertarianism came from one of my parents best fren's who lives about 5 mins down the road from Mr. Bot. The guy's daughter basically runs the home schooling community in the OC.
    I'm not even really a lower case libertarian. I believe in too many radical concepts like the EPA, education vouchers, the FED and economic policy, National Parks, the supremacy of federal law guaranteeing civil rights, the universality of human rights and our responsibility to help support them around the world, national borders, etc.

    I'm more like the forgotten part of the GOP when they were still into environmentalism but also limited government. Or the forgotten part of the 90's Dems when Bill started crossing the isle maybe? Not sure, I don't really fit too many places easily. Very few economists do. Maybe I can fill out a questionnaire for you and with your superior historical knowledge you can tell me what party of what era I belong to.

    I can tell you I'm on opposite axis from communists and fascists!
    You're what we call a Teddy Roosevelt Republican which is what I am.
    Teddy knows shit!


    And even though he grew up in NYC, he turned out manly and loved shooting lever guns and other tuff big bore rifles. So it is possible to be born in Gotham and turn out a real man, unlike the current lard butt in the WH. I'd like to dedicate this poast to @TurdBuffer ...


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  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 37,683 Standard Supporter
    YellowSnow said:

    Sledog said:

    YellowSnow said:

    UW_Doog_Bot said:

    YellowSnow said:

    creepycoug said:

    HardlyClothed said:

    creepycoug said:

    Some things I don't do:

    I don't surf in water that I can't see through

    I don't fuck around with the DOJ

    I don't tell my wife what I really think ... about much of anything

    I don't joke about hijacking anything at the airport

    I don't argue music, rowboat, history or tall person trivia with Yella hi @YellowSnow

    I don't argue the pros and cons of belonging to AARP with @RaceBannon

    I don't argue vintage porn trivia with @PurpleThrobber (Christy Canyon damn it!!)

    I don't debate the most effective means of pest control with @Swaye,

    AND

    I don't argue the economis with @UW_Doog_Bot

    I just don't!

    The synthesis of his economic beliefs is when the government does something it’s socialism. Any market intervetion is the “socialist playbook”. What a fraud.
    I'm trying to be balanced here, because I am a default free market person. I do not think that is an accurate description of @UW_Doog_Bot 's political-economic philosophy. The government does some things well, and by "well", I don't mean that there are goods and services that they produce and deliver with any economic efficiency, but rather that they are the actor in the best position to reasonably offer the good or service. But to deny that the government fucks things up on the norm is to be intellectually dishonest. Again, that doesn't mean I don't see a role for the guv. For example, I'm a supporter of public education, but it's as flawed as all get-out. Still, we need it, in my view. I don't think @UW_Doog_Bot is necessarily antagonistic to that view all the way around.
    @UW_Doog_Bot is what you call a lower case "L" libertarian as opposed to 2 silver dollar, crack pot Libertarian. Funny enough, my first exposure to 2 silver dollar, crack pot Libertarianism came from one of my parents best fren's who lives about 5 mins down the road from Mr. Bot. The guy's daughter basically runs the home schooling community in the OC.
    I'm not even really a lower case libertarian. I believe in too many radical concepts like the EPA, education vouchers, the FED and economic policy, National Parks, the supremacy of federal law guaranteeing civil rights, the universality of human rights and our responsibility to help support them around the world, national borders, etc.

    I'm more like the forgotten part of the GOP when they were still into environmentalism but also limited government. Or the forgotten part of the 90's Dems when Bill started crossing the isle maybe? Not sure, I don't really fit too many places easily. Very few economists do. Maybe I can fill out a questionnaire for you and with your superior historical knowledge you can tell me what party of what era I belong to.

    I can tell you I'm on opposite axis from communists and fascists!
    You're what we call a Teddy Roosevelt Republican which is what I am.
    Teddy knows shit!


    And even though he grew up in NYC, he turned out manly and loved shooting lever guns and other tuff big bore rifles. So it is possible to be born in Gotham and turn out a real man, unlike the current lard butt in the WH. I'd like to dedicate this poast to @TurdBuffer ...


    We don't really know if he did or didn't. Somehow his kids hunt all over the world. Who taught them?
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  • creepycoug
    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,017
    UW_Doog_Bot said:

    creepycoug said:

    HardlyClothed said:

    creepycoug said:

    Some things I don't do:

    I don't surf in water that I can't see through

    I don't fuck around with the DOJ

    I don't tell my wife what I really think ... about much of anything

    I don't joke about hijacking anything at the airport

    I don't argue music, rowboat, history or tall person trivia with Yella hi @YellowSnow

    I don't argue the pros and cons of belonging to AARP with @RaceBannon

    I don't argue vintage porn trivia with @PurpleThrobber (Christy Canyon damn it!!)

    I don't debate the most effective means of pest control with @Swaye,

    AND

    I don't argue the economis with @UW_Doog_Bot

    I just don't!

    The synthesis of his economic beliefs is when the government does something it’s socialism. Any market intervetion is the “socialist playbook”. What a fraud.
    I'm trying to be balanced here, because I am a default free market person. I do not think that is an accurate description of @UW_Doog_Bot 's political-economic philosophy. The government does some things well, and by "well", I don't mean that there are goods and services that they produce and deliver with any economic efficiency, but rather that they are the actor in the best position to reasonably offer the good or service. But to deny that the government fucks things up on the norm is to be intellectually dishonest. Again, that doesn't mean I don't see a role for the guv. For example, I'm a supporter of public education, but it's as flawed as all get-out. Still, we need it, in my view. I don't think @UW_Doog_Bot is necessarily antagonistic to that view all the way around.
    Point of fact, I'm actually a moderate liberal as the economics spectrum goes(I've even been accused of being a neo-liberal, gasp!). My default preference is freedom and by extension, free markets. That's Radical American thinking I know but I actually do believe in market intervention as well. It can be summed up pretty simply as "If having the government involved can avoid greater negative externalities then government intervention is justified." Of course, within the bounds of the Feds enumerated powers.(Statists don't understand this point at all)

    The simplest example is defense, having private armies that can be bought and sold could lead to a coup by the highest bidder. This is a greater negative externality than the inefficiency, corruption, and other negative consequences of central planning. Therefore, government intervention is justified.

    Education, the Fed, R&D, Defense, Environment, Finance, Antitrust, Labor laws, even the god damn postal system, there's plenty of intervention I agree with. That doesn't mean that it's efficient, just that there are other factors I consider beyond pure Economics to justify intervention.

    Free Markets are more efficient than central planning(which includes both the pure definition of socialism and lesser forms of intervention such as democratic socialism etc.) If you can show me, with empirical evidence, that a central plan is more efficient, or has a significant other non-economic consideration, then you can change my mind. That's part of being dedicated to a science and not an ideology, being able to consider new evidence and change ones mind and beliefs about the nature of the world.

    Exactly right.
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  • creepycoug
    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,017
    UW_Doog_Bot said:

    YellowSnow said:

    creepycoug said:

    HardlyClothed said:

    creepycoug said:

    Some things I don't do:

    I don't surf in water that I can't see through

    I don't fuck around with the DOJ

    I don't tell my wife what I really think ... about much of anything

    I don't joke about hijacking anything at the airport

    I don't argue music, rowboat, history or tall person trivia with Yella hi @YellowSnow

    I don't argue the pros and cons of belonging to AARP with @RaceBannon

    I don't argue vintage porn trivia with @PurpleThrobber (Christy Canyon damn it!!)

    I don't debate the most effective means of pest control with @Swaye,

    AND

    I don't argue the economis with @UW_Doog_Bot

    I just don't!

    The synthesis of his economic beliefs is when the government does something it’s socialism. Any market intervetion is the “socialist playbook”. What a fraud.
    I'm trying to be balanced here, because I am a default free market person. I do not think that is an accurate description of @UW_Doog_Bot 's political-economic philosophy. The government does some things well, and by "well", I don't mean that there are goods and services that they produce and deliver with any economic efficiency, but rather that they are the actor in the best position to reasonably offer the good or service. But to deny that the government fucks things up on the norm is to be intellectually dishonest. Again, that doesn't mean I don't see a role for the guv. For example, I'm a supporter of public education, but it's as flawed as all get-out. Still, we need it, in my view. I don't think @UW_Doog_Bot is necessarily antagonistic to that view all the way around.
    @UW_Doog_Bot is what you call a lower case "L" libertarian as opposed to 2 silver dollar, crack pot Libertarian. Funny enough, my first exposure to 2 silver dollar, crack pot Libertarianism came from one of my parents best fren's who lives about 5 mins down the road from Mr. Bot. The guy's daughter basically runs the home schooling community in the OC.
    I'm not even really a lower case libertarian. I believe in too many radical concepts like the EPA, education vouchers, the FED and economic policy, National Parks, the supremacy of federal law guaranteeing civil rights, the universality of human rights and our responsibility to help support them around the world, national borders, etc.

    I'm more like the forgotten part of the GOP when they were still into environmentalism but also limited government. Or the forgotten part of the 90's Dems when Bill started crossing the isle maybe? Not sure, I don't really fit too many places easily. Very few economists do. Maybe I can fill out a questionnaire for you and with your superior historical knowledge you can tell me what party of what era I belong to.

    I can tell you I'm on opposite axis from communists and fascists!
    I feel the same, even though I've been tagged with bob's dreaded "gang of liberal Hondo interventionists", whatever that means.
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