If Medicare for all is such a slick no brainer
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Unless you support a program that will bankrupt the country you're a "moderate."
And yes I understand your Kunt logic argument about "taxpayers" currently paying for their own healthcare therefore it won't cost us anymore if the Federal government just picks up the entire tab. -
How exactly would a program that costs 32 trillion over 10 years bankrupt the country when we’re already projected to spend 34 trillion?
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Yep, current health spending would cost more over 10 years because of the insurance and pharma middlemen vultures. But that spending is good because it makes health execs rich and then they donate to the GOP and centrist Dems.allpurpleallgold said:How exactly would a program that costs 32 trillion over 10 years bankrupt the country when we’re already projected to spend 34 trillion?
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Define efficient.
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Who said free healthcare? Are you autistic or some shit? Medicare for all would be increasing the Medicare tax rate. Anyone who thinks anyone is said it's free is fucktarded.SFGbob said:Yes, yes Hondo. It's going to save all us a boat load of money just like Obamacare did. Hondo you love swallowing like a bitch, I get it. Most of us don't.
If you think that providing everyone with "free" healthcare isn't going to raise taxes and increasing waiting times then you're stupider than I could have ever believed and Hondo I think you're one stupid motherfucker.
And how do you think there would be longer waiting lines? Hospitals would still operate as businesses, and most are non profits already. In our system, they would still have to maintain a service or people will go to another hospital. The insurance system that pays for it has zero bearing on the wait line. Dumbfuck. -
Oh, yeah. I forgot. You need everything spelled out for you in categorical terms so you don't make an idiot of yourself.SFGbob said:Really? So none of those 10% are people who are self-employed or young people they are just really "fucked up" people. Gosh I wish I could be smart like you.
And all this time I thought these really "fucked up" people, who of course you don't identify but for the sake of argument I'm going to assume they are poor and unemployed, were already covered by Medicaid.
But then again, I'm not smart like you. You believe that the 10% of uninsured people in the US are all homeless, poor people who aren't covered by Medicaid.
Yeah, you're a fucking genius.
Addendum to my last post: some of the 10% are employed and not homeless or suffering from some addiction or mental illness or condition that makes them uninsurable. Most of those people are uninsured because they can't afford it.
For the dip shit who needs it spelled out so he doesn't get confused, there are people who are employed, make enough $, don't have mental issues or suffer from other problems who just don't fucking feel like having health insurance. Let's make healthcare policy with those people squarely in focus.
Is that better Sally? You're the one who asked, "why can't they do what we do?" I gave you an answer. The clear-thinking and able want coverage and pay for it if they can swing it. Either way, we pay for the care of the uninsured anyway.
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https://www.healthaffairs.org/do/10.1377/hblog20110920.013390/full/WestlinnDuck said:Define efficient.
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That last sentence is the part the simple minded don't get. They say it, with comments like "the laws say we have to treat people regardless in the ER". They don't make the correlation that the people with medical insurance are the ones who pay for that already. They also say that the ER is the most expensive care. But they don't make the correlation that if those people had a path to see a doctor before they need the ER, it would save everyone money.creepycoug said:
Oh, yeah. I forgot. You need everything spelled out for you in categorical terms so you don't make an idiot of yourself.SFGbob said:Really? So none of those 10% are people who are self-employed or young people they are just really "fucked up" people. Gosh I wish I could be smart like you.
And all this time I thought these really "fucked up" people, who of course you don't identify but for the sake of argument I'm going to assume they are poor and unemployed, were already covered by Medicaid.
But then again, I'm not smart like you. You believe that the 10% of uninsured people in the US are all homeless, poor people who aren't covered by Medicaid.
Yeah, you're a fucking genius.
Addendum to my last post: some of the 10% are employed and not homeless or suffering from some addiction or mental illness or condition that makes them uninsurable. Most of those people are uninsured because they can't afford it.
For the dip shit who needs it spelled out so he doesn't get confused, there are people who are employed, make enough $, don't have mental issues or suffer from other problems who just don't fucking feel like having health insurance. Let's make healthcare policy with those people squarely in focus.
Is that better Sally? You're the one who asked, "why can't they do what we do?" I gave you an answer. The clear-thinking and able want coverage and pay for it if they can swing it. Either way, we pay for the care of the uninsured anyway. -
We are projected to spend $34 trillion in tax dollars over the next 10 years?allpurpleallgold said:How exactly would a program that costs 32 trillion over 10 years bankrupt the country when we’re already projected to spend 34 trillion?
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As soon as it is explained to people that Medicare for all would require them to pay higher taxes support for the program drops like a rock. And yes plenty of parasites see single payer Government run healthcare as "free" healthcare.2001400ex said:
Who said free healthcare? Are you autistic or some shit? Medicare for all would be increasing the Medicare tax rate. Anyone who thinks anyone is said it's free is fucktarded.SFGbob said:Yes, yes Hondo. It's going to save all us a boat load of money just like Obamacare did. Hondo you love swallowing like a bitch, I get it. Most of us don't.
If you think that providing everyone with "free" healthcare isn't going to raise taxes and increasing waiting times then you're stupider than I could have ever believed and Hondo I think you're one stupid motherfucker.
And how do you think there would be longer waiting lines? Hospitals would still operate as businesses, and most are non profits already. In our system, they would still have to maintain a service or people will go to another hospital. The insurance system that pays for it has zero bearing on the wait line. Dumbfuck.
