Libertarianism has its merits but it also has its limitations. As far as ever becoming a viable political/social system, it just doesn't pass the stress test.
Because right or left, people love the state and fight to use it to their gain and disagree with property rights and self ownership. You certainly do.
Most people don't relaize our government was meant to be small and weak. the founders feared a large central government. Yet look at us now. Political opponents can use the states own gigantic Orwellian spy agencies and apparatus against an opponent and the press is all for it. How far we've come.
Libertarianism has its merits but it also has its limitations. As far as ever becoming a viable political/social system, it just doesn't pass the stress test.
Because right or left, people love the state and fight to use it to their gain and disagree with property rights and self ownership. You certainly do.
Most people don't relaize our government was meant to be small and weak. the founders feared a large central government. Yet look at us now. Political opponents can use the states own gigantic Orwellian spy agencies and apparatus against an opponent and the press is all for it. How far we've come.
Trump says he’ll shut the whole wasteful, inefficient enterprise down by September 1. I support this proposal emphatically. I think we can all agree: Shut down the federal government asap and never ever re-open it again. Great idea sledog.
How exactly would your stateless utopia function in reality. No state, no military, no country. Putin and Xi would really like that.
Where did I ever suggest a stateless society?
In another thread, unless you were trolling.
Link?
Can't have a link when I was watching live and in passing buttfucker. Go to komo4.com cunt, find the link in TOP STORIES and find the bitch yourself. Want me to hold your fucking hand the rest of your life? Break free Damone, there's a wealth of knowledge right at your fingertips.
No link. That’s what I thought. Because I never said that.
Shut the government down and don't open it back up, something to that effect. I'm not gonna try to find it, got better things to do.
Libertarianism has its merits but it also has its limitations. As far as ever becoming a viable political/social system, it just doesn't pass the stress test.
Because right or left, people love the state and fight to use it to their gain and disagree with property rights and self ownership. You certainly do.
This is a Hondo level poast.
Do you agree with property rights and self ownership? Hondo doesn’t.
Who doesn't agree with property rights, except for commies and socialists. Define self ownership.
You’re not familiar with Locke? Are you being serious about not knowing what self ownership is? This leads me to believe you also are not clear on property rights.
I've read his shit but its been awhile. Everyone has the right to control their own body and life, sure, up to the point where it infringes on someone else's life or liberty.
I’d recommend a refresher
You're the resident tome of economics history and scholarship. But I'm not sure you consider all of the possible outcomes if the philosophies you follow were into practice. For example, what level of social unrest would be caused by an open borders policy, and how would it be contained? If the people in a libertarian country voted in a communist government, what would happen then? It doesn't seem to have the answers to those kinds of questions. It doesn't seem capable of defending its own existence.
You create some nice strawmen to attack.
What is the basis for the assumption that there would be social unrest? People only immigrante if there is opportunity. If there is little opportunity there is no immigration.
It's really naive to think there wouldn't be. America is like Bama. Everyone wants to be them. Every football player wants to play for them. Even after Saban retires and they become a shitty team again, the residual after effects of their success will still lure many to Tuscaloosa despite the fact that they are no longer what they once were. Same with America. People will come even if there is no opportunity left because of the HYPE they've heard their whole lives, that America is the land of opportunity, the greatest nation on Earth. And because its better than the shithole they live in.
You're also not taking into consideration the unrest that would be caused by massive immigration from cultures that are not compatible with Western values, like those in the Middle East. We don't want more Islam, we want less Islam. We don't want more Mexicans, we want less Mexicans. Pole the cuntry and I think you would find 80% approval for less, not more immigration.
Libertarianism has its merits but it also has its limitations. As far as ever becoming a viable political/social system, it just doesn't pass the stress test.
Because right or left, people love the state and fight to use it to their gain and disagree with property rights and self ownership. You certainly do.
This is a Hondo level poast.
Do you agree with property rights and self ownership? Hondo doesn’t.
Who doesn't agree with property rights, except for commies and socialists. Define self ownership.
You’re not familiar with Locke? Are you being serious about not knowing what self ownership is? This leads me to believe you also are not clear on property rights.
I've read his shit but its been awhile. Everyone has the right to control their own body and life, sure, up to the point where it infringes on someone else's life or liberty.
I’d recommend a refresher
You're the resident tome of economics history and scholarship. But I'm not sure you consider all of the possible outcomes if the philosophies you follow were into practice. For example, what level of social unrest would be caused by an open borders policy, and how would it be contained? If the people in a libertarian country voted in a communist government, what would happen then? It doesn't seem to have the answers to those kinds of questions. It doesn't seem capable of defending its own existence.
You create some nice strawmen to attack.
What is the basis for the assumption that there would be social unrest? People only immigrante if there is opportunity. If there is little opportunity there is no immigration.
It's really naive to think there wouldn't be. America is like Bama. Everyone wants to be them. Every football player wants to play for them. Even after Saban retires and they become a shitty team again, the residual after effects of their success will still lure many to Tuscaloosa despite the fact that they are no longer what they once were. Same with America. People will come even if there is no opportunity left because of the HYPE they've heard their whole lives, that America is the land of opportunity, the greatest nation on Earth. And because its better than the shithole they live in.
You're also not taking into consideration the unrest that would be caused by massive immigration from cultures that are not compatible with Western values, like those in the Middle East. We don't want more Islam, we want less Islam. We don't want more Mexicans, we want less Mexicans. Pole the cuntry and I think you would find 80% approval for less, not more immigration.
We don't deal in hypotheticals. That being said. For perspective. We spend about $60 billion a year in food stamps and just increased military spending by $80 billion.
We spend more than that. In 2013 we gave over 81 Bill to parents of anchor babies. I’m guessing that number is well over 100 Billion now. That’s the number that open border retards fail to acknowledge as they cry “but but illegals pay taxes and don’t get them back!!!!”
They get em back alright, about five fold, once they start pumping out kids.
I did some Google searching. And I want to reiterate how FS this comment is.
Yeah.. Tarrifs and government interfering with the market is bullshit. We all know that. It’s funny though because half of you here cum in your pants for more government.
True. The tug is the safe space for fucktards who think the government can fund inefficiency, and regulate and impede the flow of goods, services, and money to the highest and best use.
$25 billion US funded border wall?
Deportation of longstanding Labor supply for multi-billion $$$ Ag, hospitality and entertainment industries?
Tariffs?
Corporate welfare? Payments to farmers to reimburse negative impact of tariffs?
The tug is home to all of this bullshit, including from self-professed “free marketers.”
No worries on replacing the labor supply. Even if Pappa gets run on a rail back to Sinaloa ,He’s spread his seed efficiently and prolifically these last 20 plus years. Plenty of next men up there. But theyll Be Citizens. Like on the books and shit. A return on the investment that the American taxpayer laid out to feed, house and clothe them if you will.
Yeah.. Tarrifs and government interfering with the market is bullshit. We all know that. It’s funny though because half of you here cum in your pants for more government.
True. The tug is the safe space for fucktards who think the government can fund inefficiency, and regulate and impede the flow of goods, services, and money to the highest and best use.
$25 billion US funded border wall?
Deportation of longstanding Labor supply for multi-billion $$$ Ag, hospitality and entertainment industries?
Tariffs?
Corporate welfare? Payments to farmers to reimburse negative impact of tariffs?
The tug is home to all of this bullshit, including from self-professed “free marketers.”
No worries on replacing the labor supply. Even if Pappa gets run on a rail back to Sinaloa ,He’s spread his seed efficiently and prolifically these last 20 plus years. Plenty of next men up there. But theyll Be Citizens. Like on the books and shit. A return on the investment that the American taxpayer laid out to feed, house and clothe them if you will.
Yet strangely, you're on the record for supporting amnesty. Please to be explaining the logic there.
Yeah.. Tarrifs and government interfering with the market is bullshit. We all know that. It’s funny though because half of you here cum in your pants for more government.
True. The tug is the safe space for fucktards who think the government can fund inefficiency, and regulate and impede the flow of goods, services, and money to the highest and best use.
$25 billion US funded border wall?
Deportation of longstanding Labor supply for multi-billion $$$ Ag, hospitality and entertainment industries?
Tariffs?
Corporate welfare? Payments to farmers to reimburse negative impact of tariffs?
The tug is home to all of this bullshit, including from self-professed “free marketers.”
Keeping labor costs down by letting illiterate Mexicans come in is a huge plus. Just as there should be no minimum wage. The skills and supply of labor dictate the price and the government shouldn’t interfere. That’s why Chavez hated illegals. They fucked up his labor cartel.
If that's your actual position, you're no different than Soros and the Cochsuckers. Open borders.
No, I just agree with the factual economics. Cheaper labor benefits everyone. Illegal is more beneficial than legal.
Illegals displace American workers, drive down wages and with enough of them, will be the cause of widespread social chaos when millions are out of work, making it easy for extremist ideologies to make serious inroads in America. It's what opportunistic groups like the "Democratic Socialists of America" want. They admit as much on their website, they're basically waiting for an economic crisis to push their agenda further and gain new followers. We don't need illegals. Fuck them. We can put our own useless millennial socialists to work picking beans in the field. They can get a taste of what its like to really be a part of the proletariat. It's what they want. Everyone wins.
Slippery slope is your logical fallacy. Competing for wages on the open market benefits everyone. Anyone is able to compete in the labor market. Millennial socialists included.
It’s funny leftists want to drive down wages and conservatives want government to stymie the free market. It’s like it’s Opposite Day.
It appears that apag lent Damone the random political generator wheel for the week
Hiring desperate people with fake Social security numbers at 55 cents on the dollar isn’t how the free market is supposed to work. We aren’t in 1930 anymore.
Yeah.. Tarrifs and government interfering with the market is bullshit. We all know that. It’s funny though because half of you here cum in your pants for more government.
True. The tug is the safe space for fucktards who think the government can fund inefficiency, and regulate and impede the flow of goods, services, and money to the highest and best use.
$25 billion US funded border wall?
Deportation of longstanding Labor supply for multi-billion $$$ Ag, hospitality and entertainment industries?
Tariffs?
Corporate welfare? Payments to farmers to reimburse negative impact of tariffs?
The tug is home to all of this bullshit, including from self-professed “free marketers.”
No worries on replacing the labor supply. Even if Pappa gets run on a rail back to Sinaloa ,He’s spread his seed efficiently and prolifically these last 20 plus years. Plenty of next men up there. But theyll Be Citizens. Like on the books and shit. A return on the investment that the American taxpayer laid out to feed, house and clothe them if you will.
Yet strangely, you're on the record for supporting amnesty. Please to be explaining the logic there.
I just want the shit to be over. I want the free market to operate as it should. If that takes putting poppa on the books, I’m all for that. Once you make illegals tax payers, then things even out a bit. In Salemcoogs plan, Amnesty has a triple edge sword. Along with all the new citizens, it comes with stricter entry criteria and fast track deportation for those that aren’t allowed. It also comes with yuge fines for companies that hire illegals that are actually enforced.
Badliver dawg and others will come back with inflation and economic slowdown. I don’t buy it though. It would be a tide that would float many more boats than it would sink.
Millions of Americans have been hurt by cheap illegal labor. All for the benefit of a few thousand greedy business owners. And Liberal retards and now for some reason Damone,think that is how our free market is supposed to work.
It isn’t.
If we do something now, we can make a lot more people better off.
If we put that wall money towards making this happen, it would be a much better investment imo.
We don't deal in hypotheticals. That being said. For perspective. We spend about $60 billion a year in food stamps and just increased military spending by $80 billion.
We spend more than that. In 2013 we gave over 81 Bill to parents of anchor babies. I’m guessing that number is well over 100 Billion now. That’s the number that open border retards fail to acknowledge as they cry “but but illegals pay taxes and don’t get them back!!!!”
They get em back alright, about five fold, once they start pumping out kids.
I did some Google searching. And I want to reiterate how FS this comment is.
We don't deal in hypotheticals. That being said. For perspective. We spend about $60 billion a year in food stamps and just increased military spending by $80 billion.
We spend more than that. In 2013 we gave over 81 Bill to parents of anchor babies. I’m guessing that number is well over 100 Billion now. That’s the number that open border retards fail to acknowledge as they cry “but but illegals pay taxes and don’t get them back!!!!”
They get em back alright, about five fold, once they start pumping out kids.
I did some Google searching. And I want to reiterate how FS this comment is.
Libertarianism has its merits but it also has its limitations. As far as ever becoming a viable political/social system, it just doesn't pass the stress test.
Because right or left, people love the state and fight to use it to their gain and disagree with property rights and self ownership. You certainly do.
This is a Hondo level poast.
Do you agree with property rights and self ownership? Hondo doesn’t.
Who doesn't agree with property rights, except for commies and socialists. Define self ownership.
You’re not familiar with Locke? Are you being serious about not knowing what self ownership is? This leads me to believe you also are not clear on property rights.
I've read his shit but its been awhile. Everyone has the right to control their own body and life, sure, up to the point where it infringes on someone else's life or liberty.
I’d recommend a refresher
You're the resident tome of economics history and scholarship. But I'm not sure you consider all of the possible outcomes if the philosophies you follow were into practice. For example, what level of social unrest would be caused by an open borders policy, and how would it be contained? If the people in a libertarian country voted in a communist government, what would happen then? It doesn't seem to have the answers to those kinds of questions. It doesn't seem capable of defending its own existence.
You create some nice strawmen to attack.
What is the basis for the assumption that there would be social unrest? People only immigrante if there is opportunity. If there is little opportunity there is no immigration.
It's really naive to think there wouldn't be. America is like Bama. Everyone wants to be them. Every football player wants to play for them. Even after Saban retires and they become a shitty team again, the residual after effects of their success will still lure many to Tuscaloosa despite the fact that they are no longer what they once were. Same with America. People will come even if there is no opportunity left because of the HYPE they've heard their whole lives, that America is the land of opportunity, the greatest nation on Earth. And because its better than the shithole they live in.
You're also not taking into consideration the unrest that would be caused by massive immigration from cultures that are not compatible with Western values, like those in the Middle East. We don't want more Islam, we want less Islam. We don't want more Mexicans, we want less Mexicans. Pole the cuntry and I think you would find 80% approval for less, not more immigration.
Is this the post where OBK jumped the shark? Or was that years ago and I missed it?
We sre simply not going to march 15 to 20 million people back to where ever
The only logical solution is the compromise to close the border, build the wall, punish employers and then work out the path or road or trail to some sort of citizenship for those here
So it will never happen
We'll be having this same argument when you guys are as old as I am
We sre simply not going to march 15 to 20 million people back to where ever
The only logical solution is the compromise to close the border, build the wall, punish employers and then work out the path or road or trail to some sort of citizenship for those here
So it will never happen
We'll be having this same argument when you guys are as old as I am
We sre simply not going to march 15 to 20 million people back to where ever
The only logical solution is the compromise to close the border, build the wall, punish employers and then work out the path or road or trail to some sort of citizenship for those here
So it will never happen
We'll be having this same argument when you guys are as old as I am
Other than build the wall, I agree with this. Must be a wwoooooossshhhhh.
You're only against the wall because of TDS and your masters told you to be
While that comment is cute. I'm against the wall because the majority of illegal immigrants enter the country legally and overstay their visa. The wall will not be effective enough to justify the cost. And Mexico won't pay for it.
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You're also not taking into consideration the unrest that would be caused by massive immigration from cultures that are not compatible with Western values, like those in the Middle East. We don't want more Islam, we want less Islam. We don't want more Mexicans, we want less Mexicans. Pole the cuntry and I think you would find 80% approval for less, not more immigration.
Hiring desperate people with fake Social security numbers at 55 cents on the dollar isn’t how the free market is supposed to work. We aren’t in 1930 anymore.
Badliver dawg and others will come back with inflation and economic slowdown. I don’t buy it though. It would be a tide that would float many more boats than it would sink.
Millions of Americans have been hurt by cheap illegal labor. All for the benefit of a few thousand greedy business owners. And Liberal retards and now for some reason Damone,think that is how our free market is supposed to work.
It isn’t.
If we do something now, we can make a lot more people better off.
If we put that wall money towards making this happen, it would be a much better investment imo.
GLTROTW.
The only logical solution is the compromise to close the border, build the wall, punish employers and then work out the path or road or trail to some sort of citizenship for those here
So it will never happen
We'll be having this same argument when you guys are as old as I am
The fact that they won't do it is telling.
They don't give a shit