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  • MikeDamoneMikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781

    Yeah.. Tarrifs and government interfering with the market is bullshit. We all know that. It’s funny though because half of you here cum in your pants for more government.

    True. The tug is the safe space for fucktards who think the government can fund inefficiency, and regulate and impede the flow of goods, services, and money to the highest and best use.

    $25 billion US funded border wall?

    Deportation of longstanding Labor supply for multi-billion $$$ Ag, hospitality and entertainment industries?

    Tariffs?

    Corporate welfare? Payments to farmers to reimburse negative impact of tariffs?

    The tug is home to all of this bullshit, including from self-professed “free marketers.”
    Keeping labor costs down by letting illiterate Mexicans come in is a huge plus. Just as there should be no minimum wage. The skills and supply of labor dictate the price and the government shouldn’t interfere. That’s why Chavez hated illegals. They fucked up his labor cartel.
    If that's your actual position, you're no different than Soros and the Cochsuckers. Open borders.
    No, I just agree with the factual economics. Cheaper labor benefits everyone. Illegal is more beneficial than legal.
    Illegals displace American workers, drive down wages and with enough of them, will be the cause of widespread social chaos when millions are out of work, making it easy for extremist ideologies to make serious inroads in America. It's what opportunistic groups like the "Democratic Socialists of America" want. They admit as much on their website, they're basically waiting for an economic crisis to push their agenda further and gain new followers. We don't need illegals. Fuck them. We can put our own useless millennial socialists to work picking beans in the field. They can get a taste of what its like to really be a part of the proletariat. It's what they want. Everyone wins.
    Slippery slope is your logical fallacy. Competing for wages on the open market benefits everyone. Anyone is able to compete in the labor market. Millennial socialists included.

    It’s funny leftists want to drive down wages and conservatives want government to stymie the free market. It’s like it’s Opposite Day.
    You're doing what creepycoug does, calling for open borders globalism then acting like the 'protectionists' want to stymie the free market. I bet you have a George Soros portrait hanging in your study too. Free markets for US citizens within US borders, where everyone is free to move about as they wish to exchange labor for pay. The rest of the world isn't our concern. The US is not a dumping ground for illegal labor. Foreigners have no right to 'make it here' when they can make it in their own countries. You're making the Cochsuckers proud in this thread.
    Yeah...i have a George sorts portrait. You’re not a lover of liberty or the free market. That’s clear.

    I care about freedom, liberty, property rights, self ownership, free markets and peace. You care about government oppession of those things and using force of the government to enforce your beliefs. I’m starting to think you and Soros have a lot in common as authoritarian assholes.

    https://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/07/29/midterms-billionaire-koch-brothers-threaten-to-support-democrats-pushing-open-borders-free-trade/
    You're getting upvoted and chinned by @CirrhosisDawg. Must mean something is wrong with your argument. lol if you think I actually read breitbart. I'm for all of those things you mentioned too--for US citizens. The USA is priority number 1, that's what I care about, not the rest of the world. You're making an open borders globalist argument, insinuating that I'm against free markets because I'm against open borders and the free movement of international labor. That's the key word, international.

    The Cochsucker faggots want open borders so they can continue to enrich themselves at the expense of American citizens. We need mechanisms to limit the influence that such people have on government policy through their lobbying efforts. I'm all for cracking down on motherfuckers like that. The founders never intended America to be a country that was sold to the highest bidder. As for the shit about me wanting government to enforce my beliefs, pure horseshit. I want the government to enforce the Constitution. A government that stops following the Constitution is a government that has become an enemy of the people. It's the duty of the people to overthrow such governments.

    After the first two logical fallacies in your post, it got worse with contradictions and inconsistencies. I find it interesting how the right is all of liberty, freedom and natural rights and the left is about authoritarian control and oppression until the issue doesn’t suit their agenda, then they flip. Be consistent. You bring up the constitution and want in enforced, yet you don’t know what it says. Please read it and study it and you won’t be demeaning the “Cochsucker Faggots”. (That was your third logical fallacy by the way)
  • MikeDamoneMikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781

    Yeah.. Tarrifs and government interfering with the market is bullshit. We all know that. It’s funny though because half of you here cum in your pants for more government.

    True. The tug is the safe space for fucktards who think the government can fund inefficiency, and regulate and impede the flow of goods, services, and money to the highest and best use.

    $25 billion US funded border wall?

    Deportation of longstanding Labor supply for multi-billion $$$ Ag, hospitality and entertainment industries?

    Tariffs?

    Corporate welfare? Payments to farmers to reimburse negative impact of tariffs?

    The tug is home to all of this bullshit, including from self-professed “free marketers.”
    Keeping labor costs down by letting illiterate Mexicans come in is a huge plus. Just as there should be no minimum wage. The skills and supply of labor dictate the price and the government shouldn’t interfere. That’s why Chavez hated illegals. They fucked up his labor cartel.
    If that's your actual position, you're no different than Soros and the Cochsuckers. Open borders.
    No, I just agree with the factual economics. Cheaper labor benefits everyone. Illegal is more beneficial than legal.
    Illegals displace American workers, drive down wages and with enough of them, will be the cause of widespread social chaos when millions are out of work, making it easy for extremist ideologies to make serious inroads in America. It's what opportunistic groups like the "Democratic Socialists of America" want. They admit as much on their website, they're basically waiting for an economic crisis to push their agenda further and gain new followers. We don't need illegals. Fuck them. We can put our own useless millennial socialists to work picking beans in the field. They can get a taste of what its like to really be a part of the proletariat. It's what they want. Everyone wins.
    Slippery slope is your logical fallacy. Competing for wages on the open market benefits everyone. Anyone is able to compete in the labor market. Millennial socialists included.

    It’s funny leftists want to drive down wages and conservatives want government to stymie the free market. It’s like it’s Opposite Day.
    It's not that simple...

    We aren't talking about just agricultural and farming. Illegal immigrants also drive down wages in the construction field. Your remodelers, roofers, framers, painters, plumbers, landscapers, tile layers, flat workers, are already negatively impacted. Illegals don't pay for licensing, insurance, bonding, etc. So they can outbid on any job they choose. They can also get scooped up by general contractors looking for cheap labor on subdivisions, or employed by specialty contractors because they can be employed on the cheap. This obviously isn't legal, but turning a blind eye will make this practice much more abundant.
    Let the market decide. Consumers and employers value productivity, efficiency and economy. US Producers of high value-added products and services don’t have a problem. Adapt or die.
    Didn’t just yesterday you jump my shit for being a Classical Liberal. Something about “Hayek, Friedman”...and some shit? Now you give me chins.

    Fuck. I know I’m right when I get a accused of being a Trumpmonkey and Soros cocksucker within 24 hours.
    We’re you at a bar yesterday?





    Everyday. It’s called “my office”. That said, my positions and comments today are the same as yesterday.
  • oregonblitzkriegoregonblitzkrieg Member Posts: 15,288
    edited July 2018

    Yeah.. Tarrifs and government interfering with the market is bullshit. We all know that. It’s funny though because half of you here cum in your pants for more government.

    True. The tug is the safe space for fucktards who think the government can fund inefficiency, and regulate and impede the flow of goods, services, and money to the highest and best use.

    $25 billion US funded border wall?

    Deportation of longstanding Labor supply for multi-billion $$$ Ag, hospitality and entertainment industries?

    Tariffs?

    Corporate welfare? Payments to farmers to reimburse negative impact of tariffs?

    The tug is home to all of this bullshit, including from self-professed “free marketers.”
    Keeping labor costs down by letting illiterate Mexicans come in is a huge plus. Just as there should be no minimum wage. The skills and supply of labor dictate the price and the government shouldn’t interfere. That’s why Chavez hated illegals. They fucked up his labor cartel.
    If that's your actual position, you're no different than Soros and the Cochsuckers. Open borders.
    No, I just agree with the factual economics. Cheaper labor benefits everyone. Illegal is more beneficial than legal.
    Illegals displace American workers, drive down wages and with enough of them, will be the cause of widespread social chaos when millions are out of work, making it easy for extremist ideologies to make serious inroads in America. It's what opportunistic groups like the "Democratic Socialists of America" want. They admit as much on their website, they're basically waiting for an economic crisis to push their agenda further and gain new followers. We don't need illegals. Fuck them. We can put our own useless millennial socialists to work picking beans in the field. They can get a taste of what its like to really be a part of the proletariat. It's what they want. Everyone wins.
    Slippery slope is your logical fallacy. Competing for wages on the open market benefits everyone. Anyone is able to compete in the labor market. Millennial socialists included.

    It’s funny leftists want to drive down wages and conservatives want government to stymie the free market. It’s like it’s Opposite Day.
    You're doing what creepycoug does, calling for open borders globalism then acting like the 'protectionists' want to stymie the free market. I bet you have a George Soros portrait hanging in your study too. Free markets for US citizens within US borders, where everyone is free to move about as they wish to exchange labor for pay. The rest of the world isn't our concern. The US is not a dumping ground for illegal labor. Foreigners have no right to 'make it here' when they can make it in their own countries. You're making the Cochsuckers proud in this thread.
    Yeah...i have a George sorts portrait. You’re not a lover of liberty or the free market. That’s clear.

    I care about freedom, liberty, property rights, self ownership, free markets and peace. You care about government oppession of those things and using force of the government to enforce your beliefs. I’m starting to think you and Soros have a lot in common as authoritarian assholes.

    https://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/07/29/midterms-billionaire-koch-brothers-threaten-to-support-democrats-pushing-open-borders-free-trade/
    You're getting upvoted and chinned by @CirrhosisDawg. Must mean something is wrong with your argument. lol if you think I actually read breitbart. I'm for all of those things you mentioned too--for US citizens. The USA is priority number 1, that's what I care about, not the rest of the world. You're making an open borders globalist argument, insinuating that I'm against free markets because I'm against open borders and the free movement of international labor. That's the key word, international.

    The Cochsucker faggots want open borders so they can continue to enrich themselves at the expense of American citizens. We need mechanisms to limit the influence that such people have on government policy through their lobbying efforts. I'm all for cracking down on motherfuckers like that. The founders never intended America to be a country that was sold to the highest bidder. As for the shit about me wanting government to enforce my beliefs, pure horseshit. I want the government to enforce the Constitution. A government that stops following the Constitution is a government that has become an enemy of the people. It's the duty of the people to overthrow such governments.
    I stopped reading at your second logical fallacy.
    You're an open borders globalist like Soros and the two Cocks. A loony libertarian extremist. If you were made king and were in control of policy making, the US would be turned into a 2nd world country and then picked apart by well organized adherents of extreme ideologies (like the 'democratic socialists') that would take advantage of your no holds barred libertarianism to make their own inroads. They and others are biding their time, waiting for the social/economic crisis that the leader of a purely libertarian government (or a leader/movement with equally idiotic ideas) like you would create with your disastrous policies, to move into the power vacuum. You would be another Merkel, but probably worse.
  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    Yeah.. Tarrifs and government interfering with the market is bullshit. We all know that. It’s funny though because half of you here cum in your pants for more government.

    True. The tug is the safe space for fucktards who think the government can fund inefficiency, and regulate and impede the flow of goods, services, and money to the highest and best use.

    $25 billion US funded border wall?

    Deportation of longstanding Labor supply for multi-billion $$$ Ag, hospitality and entertainment industries?

    Tariffs?

    Corporate welfare? Payments to farmers to reimburse negative impact of tariffs?

    The tug is home to all of this bullshit, including from self-professed “free marketers.”
    Keeping labor costs down by letting illiterate Mexicans come in is a huge plus. Just as there should be no minimum wage. The skills and supply of labor dictate the price and the government shouldn’t interfere. That’s why Chavez hated illegals. They fucked up his labor cartel.
    If that's your actual position, you're no different than Soros and the Cochsuckers. Open borders.
    No, I just agree with the factual economics. Cheaper labor benefits everyone. Illegal is more beneficial than legal.
    Illegals displace American workers, drive down wages and with enough of them, will be the cause of widespread social chaos when millions are out of work, making it easy for extremist ideologies to make serious inroads in America. It's what opportunistic groups like the "Democratic Socialists of America" want. They admit as much on their website, they're basically waiting for an economic crisis to push their agenda further and gain new followers. We don't need illegals. Fuck them. We can put our own useless millennial socialists to work picking beans in the field. They can get a taste of what its like to really be a part of the proletariat. It's what they want. Everyone wins.
    Slippery slope is your logical fallacy. Competing for wages on the open market benefits everyone. Anyone is able to compete in the labor market. Millennial socialists included.

    It’s funny leftists want to drive down wages and conservatives want government to stymie the free market. It’s like it’s Opposite Day.
    You're doing what creepycoug does, calling for open borders globalism then acting like the 'protectionists' want to stymie the free market. I bet you have a George Soros portrait hanging in your study too. Free markets for US citizens within US borders, where everyone is free to move about as they wish to exchange labor for pay. The rest of the world isn't our concern. The US is not a dumping ground for illegal labor. Foreigners have no right to 'make it here' when they can make it in their own countries. You're making the Cochsuckers proud in this thread.
    Yeah...i have a George sorts portrait. You’re not a lover of liberty or the free market. That’s clear.

    I care about freedom, liberty, property rights, self ownership, free markets and peace. You care about government oppession of those things and using force of the government to enforce your beliefs. I’m starting to think you and Soros have a lot in common as authoritarian assholes.

    https://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/07/29/midterms-billionaire-koch-brothers-threaten-to-support-democrats-pushing-open-borders-free-trade/
    You're getting upvoted and chinned by @CirrhosisDawg. Must mean something is wrong with your argument. lol if you think I actually read breitbart. I'm for all of those things you mentioned too--for US citizens. The USA is priority number 1, that's what I care about, not the rest of the world. You're making an open borders globalist argument, insinuating that I'm against free markets because I'm against open borders and the free movement of international labor. That's the key word, international.

    The Cochsucker faggots want open borders so they can continue to enrich themselves at the expense of American citizens. We need mechanisms to limit the influence that such people have on government policy through their lobbying efforts. I'm all for cracking down on motherfuckers like that. The founders never intended America to be a country that was sold to the highest bidder. As for the shit about me wanting government to enforce my beliefs, pure horseshit. I want the government to enforce the Constitution. A government that stops following the Constitution is a government that has become an enemy of the people. It's the duty of the people to overthrow such governments.

    After the first two logical fallacies in your post, it got worse with contradictions and inconsistencies. I find it interesting how the right is all of liberty, freedom and natural rights and the left is about authoritarian control and oppression until the issue doesn’t suit their agenda, then they flip. Be consistent. You bring up the constitution and want in enforced, yet you don’t know what it says. Please read it and study it and you won’t be demeaning the “Cochsucker Faggots”. (That was your third logical fallacy by the way)
    I wouldn't say the right is about liberty, freedom, and natural rights any more than the left is about authoritarian control and oppression. Both sides are about power and freaking out about whatever issue their news source decides to make an issue that day.
  • MikeDamoneMikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
    2001400ex said:

    Yeah.. Tarrifs and government interfering with the market is bullshit. We all know that. It’s funny though because half of you here cum in your pants for more government.

    True. The tug is the safe space for fucktards who think the government can fund inefficiency, and regulate and impede the flow of goods, services, and money to the highest and best use.

    $25 billion US funded border wall?

    Deportation of longstanding Labor supply for multi-billion $$$ Ag, hospitality and entertainment industries?

    Tariffs?

    Corporate welfare? Payments to farmers to reimburse negative impact of tariffs?

    The tug is home to all of this bullshit, including from self-professed “free marketers.”
    Keeping labor costs down by letting illiterate Mexicans come in is a huge plus. Just as there should be no minimum wage. The skills and supply of labor dictate the price and the government shouldn’t interfere. That’s why Chavez hated illegals. They fucked up his labor cartel.
    If that's your actual position, you're no different than Soros and the Cochsuckers. Open borders.
    No, I just agree with the factual economics. Cheaper labor benefits everyone. Illegal is more beneficial than legal.
    Illegals displace American workers, drive down wages and with enough of them, will be the cause of widespread social chaos when millions are out of work, making it easy for extremist ideologies to make serious inroads in America. It's what opportunistic groups like the "Democratic Socialists of America" want. They admit as much on their website, they're basically waiting for an economic crisis to push their agenda further and gain new followers. We don't need illegals. Fuck them. We can put our own useless millennial socialists to work picking beans in the field. They can get a taste of what its like to really be a part of the proletariat. It's what they want. Everyone wins.
    Slippery slope is your logical fallacy. Competing for wages on the open market benefits everyone. Anyone is able to compete in the labor market. Millennial socialists included.

    It’s funny leftists want to drive down wages and conservatives want government to stymie the free market. It’s like it’s Opposite Day.
    You're doing what creepycoug does, calling for open borders globalism then acting like the 'protectionists' want to stymie the free market. I bet you have a George Soros portrait hanging in your study too. Free markets for US citizens within US borders, where everyone is free to move about as they wish to exchange labor for pay. The rest of the world isn't our concern. The US is not a dumping ground for illegal labor. Foreigners have no right to 'make it here' when they can make it in their own countries. You're making the Cochsuckers proud in this thread.
    Yeah...i have a George sorts portrait. You’re not a lover of liberty or the free market. That’s clear.

    I care about freedom, liberty, property rights, self ownership, free markets and peace. You care about government oppession of those things and using force of the government to enforce your beliefs. I’m starting to think you and Soros have a lot in common as authoritarian assholes.

    https://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/07/29/midterms-billionaire-koch-brothers-threaten-to-support-democrats-pushing-open-borders-free-trade/
    You're getting upvoted and chinned by @CirrhosisDawg. Must mean something is wrong with your argument. lol if you think I actually read breitbart. I'm for all of those things you mentioned too--for US citizens. The USA is priority number 1, that's what I care about, not the rest of the world. You're making an open borders globalist argument, insinuating that I'm against free markets because I'm against open borders and the free movement of international labor. That's the key word, international.

    The Cochsucker faggots want open borders so they can continue to enrich themselves at the expense of American citizens. We need mechanisms to limit the influence that such people have on government policy through their lobbying efforts. I'm all for cracking down on motherfuckers like that. The founders never intended America to be a country that was sold to the highest bidder. As for the shit about me wanting government to enforce my beliefs, pure horseshit. I want the government to enforce the Constitution. A government that stops following the Constitution is a government that has become an enemy of the people. It's the duty of the people to overthrow such governments.

    After the first two logical fallacies in your post, it got worse with contradictions and inconsistencies. I find it interesting how the right is all of liberty, freedom and natural rights and the left is about authoritarian control and oppression until the issue doesn’t suit their agenda, then they flip. Be consistent. You bring up the constitution and want in enforced, yet you don’t know what it says. Please read it and study it and you won’t be demeaning the “Cochsucker Faggots”. (That was your third logical fallacy by the way)
    I wouldn't say the right is about liberty, freedom, and natural rights any more than the left is about authoritarian control and oppression. Both sides are about power and freaking out about whatever issue their news source decides to make an issue that day.
    Shut the fuck up. Jesus Christ you’re stupid.
  • MikeDamoneMikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
    edited July 2018

    Will the illegals be able to vote without an ID?

    Liberals believe the blacks are either to lazy or stupid to get ID. I’m not sure which. That said, voting is horseshit. I refuse to select my oppresser.
  • MikeDamoneMikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
    edited July 2018

    Yeah.. Tarrifs and government interfering with the market is bullshit. We all know that. It’s funny though because half of you here cum in your pants for more government.

    True. The tug is the safe space for fucktards who think the government can fund inefficiency, and regulate and impede the flow of goods, services, and money to the highest and best use.

    $25 billion US funded border wall?

    Deportation of longstanding Labor supply for multi-billion $$$ Ag, hospitality and entertainment industries?

    Tariffs?

    Corporate welfare? Payments to farmers to reimburse negative impact of tariffs?

    The tug is home to all of this bullshit, including from self-professed “free marketers.”
    Keeping labor costs down by letting illiterate Mexicans come in is a huge plus. Just as there should be no minimum wage. The skills and supply of labor dictate the price and the government shouldn’t interfere. That’s why Chavez hated illegals. They fucked up his labor cartel.
    If that's your actual position, you're no different than Soros and the Cochsuckers. Open borders.
    No, I just agree with the factual economics. Cheaper labor benefits everyone. Illegal is more beneficial than legal.
    Illegals displace American workers, drive down wages and with enough of them, will be the cause of widespread social chaos when millions are out of work, making it easy for extremist ideologies to make serious inroads in America. It's what opportunistic groups like the "Democratic Socialists of America" want. They admit as much on their website, they're basically waiting for an economic crisis to push their agenda further and gain new followers. We don't need illegals. Fuck them. We can put our own useless millennial socialists to work picking beans in the field. They can get a taste of what its like to really be a part of the proletariat. It's what they want. Everyone wins.
    Slippery slope is your logical fallacy. Competing for wages on the open market benefits everyone. Anyone is able to compete in the labor market. Millennial socialists included.

    It’s funny leftists want to drive down wages and conservatives want government to stymie the free market. It’s like it’s Opposite Day.
    You're doing what creepycoug does, calling for open borders globalism then acting like the 'protectionists' want to stymie the free market. I bet you have a George Soros portrait hanging in your study too. Free markets for US citizens within US borders, where everyone is free to move about as they wish to exchange labor for pay. The rest of the world isn't our concern. The US is not a dumping ground for illegal labor. Foreigners have no right to 'make it here' when they can make it in their own countries. You're making the Cochsuckers proud in this thread.
    Yeah...i have a George sorts portrait. You’re not a lover of liberty or the free market. That’s clear.

    I care about freedom, liberty, property rights, self ownership, free markets and peace. You care about government oppession of those things and using force of the government to enforce your beliefs. I’m starting to think you and Soros have a lot in common as authoritarian assholes.

    https://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/07/29/midterms-billionaire-koch-brothers-threaten-to-support-democrats-pushing-open-borders-free-trade/
    You're getting upvoted and chinned by @CirrhosisDawg. Must mean something is wrong with your argument. lol if you think I actually read breitbart. I'm for all of those things you mentioned too--for US citizens. The USA is priority number 1, that's what I care about, not the rest of the world. You're making an open borders globalist argument, insinuating that I'm against free markets because I'm against open borders and the free movement of international labor. That's the key word, international.

    The Cochsucker faggots want open borders so they can continue to enrich themselves at the expense of American citizens. We need mechanisms to limit the influence that such people have on government policy through their lobbying efforts. I'm all for cracking down on motherfuckers like that. The founders never intended America to be a country that was sold to the highest bidder. As for the shit about me wanting government to enforce my beliefs, pure horseshit. I want the government to enforce the Constitution. A government that stops following the Constitution is a government that has become an enemy of the people. It's the duty of the people to overthrow such governments.
    I stopped reading at your second logical fallacy.
    You're an open borders globalist like Soros and the two Cocks. A loony libertarian extremist. If you were made king and were in control of policy making, the US would be turned into a 2nd world country and then picked apart by well organized adherents of extreme ideologies (like the 'democratic socialists') that would take advantage of your no holds barred libertarianism to make their own inroads. They and others are biding their time, waiting for the social/economic crisis that the leader of a purely libertarian government (or a leader/movement with equally idiotic ideas) like you would create with your disastrous policies, to move into the power vacuum. You would be another Merkel, but probably worse.
    Your emotional outburst is noted and acknowledged. Thomas Jefferson would just roll his eyes at that post. Is it possible to get your outburst down to an actual argument or will we just continue to check the boxes?

    Man. I’m so hurt. Ive been chinning you for years. One issue and you flip on me and go full statist.
  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    2001400ex said:

    Yeah.. Tarrifs and government interfering with the market is bullshit. We all know that. It’s funny though because half of you here cum in your pants for more government.

    True. The tug is the safe space for fucktards who think the government can fund inefficiency, and regulate and impede the flow of goods, services, and money to the highest and best use.

    $25 billion US funded border wall?

    Deportation of longstanding Labor supply for multi-billion $$$ Ag, hospitality and entertainment industries?

    Tariffs?

    Corporate welfare? Payments to farmers to reimburse negative impact of tariffs?

    The tug is home to all of this bullshit, including from self-professed “free marketers.”
    Keeping labor costs down by letting illiterate Mexicans come in is a huge plus. Just as there should be no minimum wage. The skills and supply of labor dictate the price and the government shouldn’t interfere. That’s why Chavez hated illegals. They fucked up his labor cartel.
    If that's your actual position, you're no different than Soros and the Cochsuckers. Open borders.
    No, I just agree with the factual economics. Cheaper labor benefits everyone. Illegal is more beneficial than legal.
    Illegals displace American workers, drive down wages and with enough of them, will be the cause of widespread social chaos when millions are out of work, making it easy for extremist ideologies to make serious inroads in America. It's what opportunistic groups like the "Democratic Socialists of America" want. They admit as much on their website, they're basically waiting for an economic crisis to push their agenda further and gain new followers. We don't need illegals. Fuck them. We can put our own useless millennial socialists to work picking beans in the field. They can get a taste of what its like to really be a part of the proletariat. It's what they want. Everyone wins.
    Slippery slope is your logical fallacy. Competing for wages on the open market benefits everyone. Anyone is able to compete in the labor market. Millennial socialists included.

    It’s funny leftists want to drive down wages and conservatives want government to stymie the free market. It’s like it’s Opposite Day.
    You're doing what creepycoug does, calling for open borders globalism then acting like the 'protectionists' want to stymie the free market. I bet you have a George Soros portrait hanging in your study too. Free markets for US citizens within US borders, where everyone is free to move about as they wish to exchange labor for pay. The rest of the world isn't our concern. The US is not a dumping ground for illegal labor. Foreigners have no right to 'make it here' when they can make it in their own countries. You're making the Cochsuckers proud in this thread.
    Yeah...i have a George sorts portrait. You’re not a lover of liberty or the free market. That’s clear.

    I care about freedom, liberty, property rights, self ownership, free markets and peace. You care about government oppession of those things and using force of the government to enforce your beliefs. I’m starting to think you and Soros have a lot in common as authoritarian assholes.

    https://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/07/29/midterms-billionaire-koch-brothers-threaten-to-support-democrats-pushing-open-borders-free-trade/
    You're getting upvoted and chinned by @CirrhosisDawg. Must mean something is wrong with your argument. lol if you think I actually read breitbart. I'm for all of those things you mentioned too--for US citizens. The USA is priority number 1, that's what I care about, not the rest of the world. You're making an open borders globalist argument, insinuating that I'm against free markets because I'm against open borders and the free movement of international labor. That's the key word, international.

    The Cochsucker faggots want open borders so they can continue to enrich themselves at the expense of American citizens. We need mechanisms to limit the influence that such people have on government policy through their lobbying efforts. I'm all for cracking down on motherfuckers like that. The founders never intended America to be a country that was sold to the highest bidder. As for the shit about me wanting government to enforce my beliefs, pure horseshit. I want the government to enforce the Constitution. A government that stops following the Constitution is a government that has become an enemy of the people. It's the duty of the people to overthrow such governments.

    After the first two logical fallacies in your post, it got worse with contradictions and inconsistencies. I find it interesting how the right is all of liberty, freedom and natural rights and the left is about authoritarian control and oppression until the issue doesn’t suit their agenda, then they flip. Be consistent. You bring up the constitution and want in enforced, yet you don’t know what it says. Please read it and study it and you won’t be demeaning the “Cochsucker Faggots”. (That was your third logical fallacy by the way)
    I wouldn't say the right is about liberty, freedom, and natural rights any more than the left is about authoritarian control and oppression. Both sides are about power and freaking out about whatever issue their news source decides to make an issue that day.
    Shut the fuck up. Jesus Christ you’re stupid.
    You are angry. Forget about the CBDs and bring some THC into your life.... It'll calm you down.
  • MikeDamoneMikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    Yeah.. Tarrifs and government interfering with the market is bullshit. We all know that. It’s funny though because half of you here cum in your pants for more government.

    True. The tug is the safe space for fucktards who think the government can fund inefficiency, and regulate and impede the flow of goods, services, and money to the highest and best use.

    $25 billion US funded border wall?

    Deportation of longstanding Labor supply for multi-billion $$$ Ag, hospitality and entertainment industries?

    Tariffs?

    Corporate welfare? Payments to farmers to reimburse negative impact of tariffs?

    The tug is home to all of this bullshit, including from self-professed “free marketers.”
    Keeping labor costs down by letting illiterate Mexicans come in is a huge plus. Just as there should be no minimum wage. The skills and supply of labor dictate the price and the government shouldn’t interfere. That’s why Chavez hated illegals. They fucked up his labor cartel.
    If that's your actual position, you're no different than Soros and the Cochsuckers. Open borders.
    No, I just agree with the factual economics. Cheaper labor benefits everyone. Illegal is more beneficial than legal.
    Illegals displace American workers, drive down wages and with enough of them, will be the cause of widespread social chaos when millions are out of work, making it easy for extremist ideologies to make serious inroads in America. It's what opportunistic groups like the "Democratic Socialists of America" want. They admit as much on their website, they're basically waiting for an economic crisis to push their agenda further and gain new followers. We don't need illegals. Fuck them. We can put our own useless millennial socialists to work picking beans in the field. They can get a taste of what its like to really be a part of the proletariat. It's what they want. Everyone wins.
    Slippery slope is your logical fallacy. Competing for wages on the open market benefits everyone. Anyone is able to compete in the labor market. Millennial socialists included.

    It’s funny leftists want to drive down wages and conservatives want government to stymie the free market. It’s like it’s Opposite Day.
    You're doing what creepycoug does, calling for open borders globalism then acting like the 'protectionists' want to stymie the free market. I bet you have a George Soros portrait hanging in your study too. Free markets for US citizens within US borders, where everyone is free to move about as they wish to exchange labor for pay. The rest of the world isn't our concern. The US is not a dumping ground for illegal labor. Foreigners have no right to 'make it here' when they can make it in their own countries. You're making the Cochsuckers proud in this thread.
    Yeah...i have a George sorts portrait. You’re not a lover of liberty or the free market. That’s clear.

    I care about freedom, liberty, property rights, self ownership, free markets and peace. You care about government oppession of those things and using force of the government to enforce your beliefs. I’m starting to think you and Soros have a lot in common as authoritarian assholes.

    https://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/07/29/midterms-billionaire-koch-brothers-threaten-to-support-democrats-pushing-open-borders-free-trade/
    You're getting upvoted and chinned by @CirrhosisDawg. Must mean something is wrong with your argument. lol if you think I actually read breitbart. I'm for all of those things you mentioned too--for US citizens. The USA is priority number 1, that's what I care about, not the rest of the world. You're making an open borders globalist argument, insinuating that I'm against free markets because I'm against open borders and the free movement of international labor. That's the key word, international.

    The Cochsucker faggots want open borders so they can continue to enrich themselves at the expense of American citizens. We need mechanisms to limit the influence that such people have on government policy through their lobbying efforts. I'm all for cracking down on motherfuckers like that. The founders never intended America to be a country that was sold to the highest bidder. As for the shit about me wanting government to enforce my beliefs, pure horseshit. I want the government to enforce the Constitution. A government that stops following the Constitution is a government that has become an enemy of the people. It's the duty of the people to overthrow such governments.

    After the first two logical fallacies in your post, it got worse with contradictions and inconsistencies. I find it interesting how the right is all of liberty, freedom and natural rights and the left is about authoritarian control and oppression until the issue doesn’t suit their agenda, then they flip. Be consistent. You bring up the constitution and want in enforced, yet you don’t know what it says. Please read it and study it and you won’t be demeaning the “Cochsucker Faggots”. (That was your third logical fallacy by the way)
    I wouldn't say the right is about liberty, freedom, and natural rights any more than the left is about authoritarian control and oppression. Both sides are about power and freaking out about whatever issue their news source decides to make an issue that day.
    Shut the fuck up. Jesus Christ you’re stupid.
    You are angry. Forget about the CBDs and bring some THC into your life.... It'll calm you down.
    Oh fuck off. You might want to sit this one out you fucking idiot.
  • oregonblitzkriegoregonblitzkrieg Member Posts: 15,288
    So, are you ok with hundreds of millions Indians coming to America to find work? How about 1 billion Chinese too? And all of Latin America and most of Africa? An open borders, purely libertarian government would a shitshow of epic proportion. It would fail almost immediately and spiral into a dictatorship. You would need a dictatorship to enforce your loony policies, because the people would revolt on a massive scale.
  • MikeDamoneMikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
    edited July 2018

    So, are you ok with hundreds of millions Indians coming to America to find work? How about 1 billion Chinese too? And all of Latin America and most of Africa? An open borders, purely libertarian government would a shitshow of epic proportion. It would fail almost immediately and spiral into a dictatorship. You would need a dictatorship to enforce your loony policies, because the people would revolt on a massive scale.

    What did I say about logical fallacy?


  • greenbloodgreenblood Member Posts: 14,309


    That’s quite the authoritarian view. So you feel that the government needs to collect fees from people so they can work? Why can’t the best person at the best price get the work? As someone having a house built, why would I want to pay an inflated price for labor? I benefit by saving money on the house which allows me to purchase other things. I win and the laborer wins. You sound like taxi drivers who are angry about Uber and want the government to step in and make it more costly for Uber to drive people.

    The workers you are worried about aren’t the victims of immigrants, they are the victims of government intervention in their livelihood. Get rid of the government burden and let them compete.

    Department of transportation, contractors board, insurance division, FINRA, etc. You make it seem like oversight is a bad thing.
  • SledogSledog Member Posts: 33,087 Standard Supporter

    Will the illegals be able to vote without an ID?

    Kalifornia gives them ID's and registers them to vote.
  • oregonblitzkriegoregonblitzkrieg Member Posts: 15,288
    Libertarianism has its merits but it also has its limitations. As far as ever becoming a viable political/social system, it just doesn't pass the stress test.
  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    Yeah.. Tarrifs and government interfering with the market is bullshit. We all know that. It’s funny though because half of you here cum in your pants for more government.

    True. The tug is the safe space for fucktards who think the government can fund inefficiency, and regulate and impede the flow of goods, services, and money to the highest and best use.

    $25 billion US funded border wall?

    Deportation of longstanding Labor supply for multi-billion $$$ Ag, hospitality and entertainment industries?

    Tariffs?

    Corporate welfare? Payments to farmers to reimburse negative impact of tariffs?

    The tug is home to all of this bullshit, including from self-professed “free marketers.”
    Keeping labor costs down by letting illiterate Mexicans come in is a huge plus. Just as there should be no minimum wage. The skills and supply of labor dictate the price and the government shouldn’t interfere. That’s why Chavez hated illegals. They fucked up his labor cartel.
    If that's your actual position, you're no different than Soros and the Cochsuckers. Open borders.
    No, I just agree with the factual economics. Cheaper labor benefits everyone. Illegal is more beneficial than legal.
    Illegals displace American workers, drive down wages and with enough of them, will be the cause of widespread social chaos when millions are out of work, making it easy for extremist ideologies to make serious inroads in America. It's what opportunistic groups like the "Democratic Socialists of America" want. They admit as much on their website, they're basically waiting for an economic crisis to push their agenda further and gain new followers. We don't need illegals. Fuck them. We can put our own useless millennial socialists to work picking beans in the field. They can get a taste of what its like to really be a part of the proletariat. It's what they want. Everyone wins.
    Slippery slope is your logical fallacy. Competing for wages on the open market benefits everyone. Anyone is able to compete in the labor market. Millennial socialists included.

    It’s funny leftists want to drive down wages and conservatives want government to stymie the free market. It’s like it’s Opposite Day.
    You're doing what creepycoug does, calling for open borders globalism then acting like the 'protectionists' want to stymie the free market. I bet you have a George Soros portrait hanging in your study too. Free markets for US citizens within US borders, where everyone is free to move about as they wish to exchange labor for pay. The rest of the world isn't our concern. The US is not a dumping ground for illegal labor. Foreigners have no right to 'make it here' when they can make it in their own countries. You're making the Cochsuckers proud in this thread.
    Yeah...i have a George sorts portrait. You’re not a lover of liberty or the free market. That’s clear.

    I care about freedom, liberty, property rights, self ownership, free markets and peace. You care about government oppession of those things and using force of the government to enforce your beliefs. I’m starting to think you and Soros have a lot in common as authoritarian assholes.

    https://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/07/29/midterms-billionaire-koch-brothers-threaten-to-support-democrats-pushing-open-borders-free-trade/
    You're getting upvoted and chinned by @CirrhosisDawg. Must mean something is wrong with your argument. lol if you think I actually read breitbart. I'm for all of those things you mentioned too--for US citizens. The USA is priority number 1, that's what I care about, not the rest of the world. You're making an open borders globalist argument, insinuating that I'm against free markets because I'm against open borders and the free movement of international labor. That's the key word, international.

    The Cochsucker faggots want open borders so they can continue to enrich themselves at the expense of American citizens. We need mechanisms to limit the influence that such people have on government policy through their lobbying efforts. I'm all for cracking down on motherfuckers like that. The founders never intended America to be a country that was sold to the highest bidder. As for the shit about me wanting government to enforce my beliefs, pure horseshit. I want the government to enforce the Constitution. A government that stops following the Constitution is a government that has become an enemy of the people. It's the duty of the people to overthrow such governments.

    After the first two logical fallacies in your post, it got worse with contradictions and inconsistencies. I find it interesting how the right is all of liberty, freedom and natural rights and the left is about authoritarian control and oppression until the issue doesn’t suit their agenda, then they flip. Be consistent. You bring up the constitution and want in enforced, yet you don’t know what it says. Please read it and study it and you won’t be demeaning the “Cochsucker Faggots”. (That was your third logical fallacy by the way)
    I wouldn't say the right is about liberty, freedom, and natural rights any more than the left is about authoritarian control and oppression. Both sides are about power and freaking out about whatever issue their news source decides to make an issue that day.
    Shut the fuck up. Jesus Christ you’re stupid.
    You are angry. Forget about the CBDs and bring some THC into your life.... It'll calm you down.
    Oh fuck off. You might want to sit this one out you fucking idiot.
    You missed the point.....I was mostly agreeing with you that people on the right and left are inconsistent because they are just following what they are told to outrage about. Both parties have their issues they are about freedom and have their issues they are about authoritarian control.

    But ok!!! Keep up your anger for no reason.
  • MikeDamoneMikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781

    That’s quite the authoritarian view. So you feel that the government needs to collect fees from people so they can work? Why can’t the best person at the best price get the work? As someone having a house built, why would I want to pay an inflated price for labor? I benefit by saving money on the house which allows me to purchase other things. I win and the laborer wins. You sound like taxi drivers who are angry about Uber and want the government to step in and make it more costly for Uber to drive people.

    The workers you are worried about aren’t the victims of immigrants, they are the victims of government intervention in their livelihood. Get rid of the government burden and let them compete.

    Department of transportation, contractors board, insurance division, FINRA, etc. You make it seem like oversight is a bad thing.

    Because it generally is unnecessary and just adds costs and limits opportunities. Dept of transportation? Really?
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