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$39 billion bailout for industries affected by tariffs
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That’s quite the authoritarian view. So you feel that the government needs to collect fees from people so they can work? Why can’t the best person at the best price get the work? As someone having a house built, why would I want to pay an inflated price for labor? I benefit by saving money on the house which allows me to purchase other things. I win and the laborer wins. You sound like taxi drivers who are angry about Uber and want the government to step in and make it more costly for Uber to drive people.greenblood said:
It's not that simple...MikeDamone said:
Slippery slope is your logical fallacy. Competing for wages on the open market benefits everyone. Anyone is able to compete in the labor market. Millennial socialists included.oregonblitzkrieg said:
Illegals displace American workers, drive down wages and with enough of them, will be the cause of widespread social chaos when millions are out of work, making it easy for extremist ideologies to make serious inroads in America. It's what opportunistic groups like the "Democratic Socialists of America" want. They admit as much on their website, they're basically waiting for an economic crisis to push their agenda further and gain new followers. We don't need illegals. Fuck them. We can put our own useless millennial socialists to work picking beans in the field. They can get a taste of what its like to really be a part of the proletariat. It's what they want. Everyone wins.MikeDamone said:
No, I just agree with the factual economics. Cheaper labor benefits everyone. Illegal is more beneficial than legal.oregonblitzkrieg said:
If that's your actual position, you're no different than Soros and the Cochsuckers. Open borders.MikeDamone said:
Keeping labor costs down by letting illiterate Mexicans come in is a huge plus. Just as there should be no minimum wage. The skills and supply of labor dictate the price and the government shouldn’t interfere. That’s why Chavez hated illegals. They fucked up his labor cartel.CirrhosisDawg said:
True. The tug is the safe space for fucktards who think the government can fund inefficiency, and regulate and impede the flow of goods, services, and money to the highest and best use.MikeDamone said:Yeah.. Tarrifs and government interfering with the market is bullshit. We all know that. It’s funny though because half of you here cum in your pants for more government.
$25 billion US funded border wall?
Deportation of longstanding Labor supply for multi-billion $$$ Ag, hospitality and entertainment industries?
Tariffs?
Corporate welfare? Payments to farmers to reimburse negative impact of tariffs?
The tug is home to all of this bullshit, including from self-professed “free marketers.”
It’s funny leftists want to drive down wages and conservatives want government to stymie the free market. It’s like it’s Opposite Day.
We aren't talking about just agricultural and farming. Illegal immigrants also drive down wages in the construction field. Your remodelers, roofers, framers, painters, plumbers, landscapers, tile layers, flat workers, are already negatively impacted. Illegals don't pay for licensing, insurance, bonding, etc. So they can outbid on any job they choose. They can also get scooped up by general contractors looking for cheap labor on subdivisions, or employed by specialty contractors because they can be employed on the cheap. This obviously isn't legal, but turning a blind eye will make this practice much more abundant.
The workers you are worried about aren’t the victims of immigrants, they are the victims of government intervention in their livelihood. Get rid of the government burden and let them compete. -
Let the market decide. Consumers and employers value productivity, efficiency and economy. US Producers of high value-added products and services don’t have a problem. Adapt or die.greenblood said:
It's not that simple...MikeDamone said:
Slippery slope is your logical fallacy. Competing for wages on the open market benefits everyone. Anyone is able to compete in the labor market. Millennial socialists included.oregonblitzkrieg said:
Illegals displace American workers, drive down wages and with enough of them, will be the cause of widespread social chaos when millions are out of work, making it easy for extremist ideologies to make serious inroads in America. It's what opportunistic groups like the "Democratic Socialists of America" want. They admit as much on their website, they're basically waiting for an economic crisis to push their agenda further and gain new followers. We don't need illegals. Fuck them. We can put our own useless millennial socialists to work picking beans in the field. They can get a taste of what its like to really be a part of the proletariat. It's what they want. Everyone wins.MikeDamone said:
No, I just agree with the factual economics. Cheaper labor benefits everyone. Illegal is more beneficial than legal.oregonblitzkrieg said:
If that's your actual position, you're no different than Soros and the Cochsuckers. Open borders.MikeDamone said:
Keeping labor costs down by letting illiterate Mexicans come in is a huge plus. Just as there should be no minimum wage. The skills and supply of labor dictate the price and the government shouldn’t interfere. That’s why Chavez hated illegals. They fucked up his labor cartel.CirrhosisDawg said:
True. The tug is the safe space for fucktards who think the government can fund inefficiency, and regulate and impede the flow of goods, services, and money to the highest and best use.MikeDamone said:Yeah.. Tarrifs and government interfering with the market is bullshit. We all know that. It’s funny though because half of you here cum in your pants for more government.
$25 billion US funded border wall?
Deportation of longstanding Labor supply for multi-billion $$$ Ag, hospitality and entertainment industries?
Tariffs?
Corporate welfare? Payments to farmers to reimburse negative impact of tariffs?
The tug is home to all of this bullshit, including from self-professed “free marketers.”
It’s funny leftists want to drive down wages and conservatives want government to stymie the free market. It’s like it’s Opposite Day.
We aren't talking about just agricultural and farming. Illegal immigrants also drive down wages in the construction field. Your remodelers, roofers, framers, painters, plumbers, landscapers, tile layers, flat workers, are already negatively impacted. Illegals don't pay for licensing, insurance, bonding, etc. So they can outbid on any job they choose. They can also get scooped up by general contractors looking for cheap labor on subdivisions, or employed by specialty contractors because they can be employed on the cheap. This obviously isn't legal, but turning a blind eye will make this practice much more abundant. -
There is no free market for fucks sake.
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Didn’t just yesterday you jump my shit for being a Classical Liberal. Something about “Hayek, Friedman”...and some shit? Now you give me chins.CirrhosisDawg said:
Let the market decide. Consumers and employers value productivity, efficiency and economy. US Producers of high value-added products and services don’t have a problem. Adapt or die.greenblood said:
It's not that simple...MikeDamone said:
Slippery slope is your logical fallacy. Competing for wages on the open market benefits everyone. Anyone is able to compete in the labor market. Millennial socialists included.oregonblitzkrieg said:
Illegals displace American workers, drive down wages and with enough of them, will be the cause of widespread social chaos when millions are out of work, making it easy for extremist ideologies to make serious inroads in America. It's what opportunistic groups like the "Democratic Socialists of America" want. They admit as much on their website, they're basically waiting for an economic crisis to push their agenda further and gain new followers. We don't need illegals. Fuck them. We can put our own useless millennial socialists to work picking beans in the field. They can get a taste of what its like to really be a part of the proletariat. It's what they want. Everyone wins.MikeDamone said:
No, I just agree with the factual economics. Cheaper labor benefits everyone. Illegal is more beneficial than legal.oregonblitzkrieg said:
If that's your actual position, you're no different than Soros and the Cochsuckers. Open borders.MikeDamone said:
Keeping labor costs down by letting illiterate Mexicans come in is a huge plus. Just as there should be no minimum wage. The skills and supply of labor dictate the price and the government shouldn’t interfere. That’s why Chavez hated illegals. They fucked up his labor cartel.CirrhosisDawg said:
True. The tug is the safe space for fucktards who think the government can fund inefficiency, and regulate and impede the flow of goods, services, and money to the highest and best use.MikeDamone said:Yeah.. Tarrifs and government interfering with the market is bullshit. We all know that. It’s funny though because half of you here cum in your pants for more government.
$25 billion US funded border wall?
Deportation of longstanding Labor supply for multi-billion $$$ Ag, hospitality and entertainment industries?
Tariffs?
Corporate welfare? Payments to farmers to reimburse negative impact of tariffs?
The tug is home to all of this bullshit, including from self-professed “free marketers.”
It’s funny leftists want to drive down wages and conservatives want government to stymie the free market. It’s like it’s Opposite Day.
We aren't talking about just agricultural and farming. Illegal immigrants also drive down wages in the construction field. Your remodelers, roofers, framers, painters, plumbers, landscapers, tile layers, flat workers, are already negatively impacted. Illegals don't pay for licensing, insurance, bonding, etc. So they can outbid on any job they choose. They can also get scooped up by general contractors looking for cheap labor on subdivisions, or employed by specialty contractors because they can be employed on the cheap. This obviously isn't legal, but turning a blind eye will make this practice much more abundant.
Fuck. I know I’m right when I get a accused of being a Trumpmonkey and Soros cocksucker within 24 hours. -
But “real socialism/capitalism/communism” has never been tried......RaceBannon said:There is no free market for fucks sake.
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Leftists: “unbridled capitalism is predatory and leads to monopolies”RaceBannon said:There is no free market for fucks sake.
Me: “No, it’s actually the opposite, only government interference in the market leads to monopolies” -
You're getting upvoted and chinned by @CirrhosisDawg. Must mean something is wrong with your argument. lol if you think I actually read breitbart. I'm for all of those things you mentioned too--for US citizens. The USA is priority number 1, that's what I care about, not the rest of the world. You're making an open borders globalist argument, insinuating that I'm against free markets because I'm against open borders and the free movement of international labor. That's the key word, international.MikeDamone said:
Yeah...i have a George sorts portrait. You’re not a lover of liberty or the free market. That’s clear.oregonblitzkrieg said:
You're doing what creepycoug does, calling for open borders globalism then acting like the 'protectionists' want to stymie the free market. I bet you have a George Soros portrait hanging in your study too. Free markets for US citizens within US borders, where everyone is free to move about as they wish to exchange labor for pay. The rest of the world isn't our concern. The US is not a dumping ground for illegal labor. Foreigners have no right to 'make it here' when they can make it in their own countries. You're making the Cochsuckers proud in this thread.MikeDamone said:
Slippery slope is your logical fallacy. Competing for wages on the open market benefits everyone. Anyone is able to compete in the labor market. Millennial socialists included.oregonblitzkrieg said:
Illegals displace American workers, drive down wages and with enough of them, will be the cause of widespread social chaos when millions are out of work, making it easy for extremist ideologies to make serious inroads in America. It's what opportunistic groups like the "Democratic Socialists of America" want. They admit as much on their website, they're basically waiting for an economic crisis to push their agenda further and gain new followers. We don't need illegals. Fuck them. We can put our own useless millennial socialists to work picking beans in the field. They can get a taste of what its like to really be a part of the proletariat. It's what they want. Everyone wins.MikeDamone said:
No, I just agree with the factual economics. Cheaper labor benefits everyone. Illegal is more beneficial than legal.oregonblitzkrieg said:
If that's your actual position, you're no different than Soros and the Cochsuckers. Open borders.MikeDamone said:
Keeping labor costs down by letting illiterate Mexicans come in is a huge plus. Just as there should be no minimum wage. The skills and supply of labor dictate the price and the government shouldn’t interfere. That’s why Chavez hated illegals. They fucked up his labor cartel.CirrhosisDawg said:
True. The tug is the safe space for fucktards who think the government can fund inefficiency, and regulate and impede the flow of goods, services, and money to the highest and best use.MikeDamone said:Yeah.. Tarrifs and government interfering with the market is bullshit. We all know that. It’s funny though because half of you here cum in your pants for more government.
$25 billion US funded border wall?
Deportation of longstanding Labor supply for multi-billion $$$ Ag, hospitality and entertainment industries?
Tariffs?
Corporate welfare? Payments to farmers to reimburse negative impact of tariffs?
The tug is home to all of this bullshit, including from self-professed “free marketers.”
It’s funny leftists want to drive down wages and conservatives want government to stymie the free market. It’s like it’s Opposite Day.
I care about freedom, liberty, property rights, self ownership, free markets and peace. You care about government oppession of those things and using force of the government to enforce your beliefs. I’m starting to think you and Soros have a lot in common as authoritarian assholes.
https://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/07/29/midterms-billionaire-koch-brothers-threaten-to-support-democrats-pushing-open-borders-free-trade/
The Cochsucker faggots want open borders so they can continue to enrich themselves at the expense of American citizens. We need mechanisms to limit the influence that such people have on government policy through their lobbying efforts. I'm all for cracking down on motherfuckers like that. The founders never intended America to be a country that was sold to the highest bidder. As for the shit about me wanting government to enforce my beliefs, pure horseshit. I want the government to enforce the Constitution. A government that stops following the Constitution is a government that has become an enemy of the people. It's the duty of the people to overthrow such governments. -
I stopped reading at your second logical fallacy.oregonblitzkrieg said:
You're getting upvoted and chinned by @CirrhosisDawg. Must mean something is wrong with your argument. lol if you think I actually read breitbart. I'm for all of those things you mentioned too--for US citizens. The USA is priority number 1, that's what I care about, not the rest of the world. You're making an open borders globalist argument, insinuating that I'm against free markets because I'm against open borders and the free movement of international labor. That's the key word, international.MikeDamone said:
Yeah...i have a George sorts portrait. You’re not a lover of liberty or the free market. That’s clear.oregonblitzkrieg said:
You're doing what creepycoug does, calling for open borders globalism then acting like the 'protectionists' want to stymie the free market. I bet you have a George Soros portrait hanging in your study too. Free markets for US citizens within US borders, where everyone is free to move about as they wish to exchange labor for pay. The rest of the world isn't our concern. The US is not a dumping ground for illegal labor. Foreigners have no right to 'make it here' when they can make it in their own countries. You're making the Cochsuckers proud in this thread.MikeDamone said:
Slippery slope is your logical fallacy. Competing for wages on the open market benefits everyone. Anyone is able to compete in the labor market. Millennial socialists included.oregonblitzkrieg said:
Illegals displace American workers, drive down wages and with enough of them, will be the cause of widespread social chaos when millions are out of work, making it easy for extremist ideologies to make serious inroads in America. It's what opportunistic groups like the "Democratic Socialists of America" want. They admit as much on their website, they're basically waiting for an economic crisis to push their agenda further and gain new followers. We don't need illegals. Fuck them. We can put our own useless millennial socialists to work picking beans in the field. They can get a taste of what its like to really be a part of the proletariat. It's what they want. Everyone wins.MikeDamone said:
No, I just agree with the factual economics. Cheaper labor benefits everyone. Illegal is more beneficial than legal.oregonblitzkrieg said:
If that's your actual position, you're no different than Soros and the Cochsuckers. Open borders.MikeDamone said:
Keeping labor costs down by letting illiterate Mexicans come in is a huge plus. Just as there should be no minimum wage. The skills and supply of labor dictate the price and the government shouldn’t interfere. That’s why Chavez hated illegals. They fucked up his labor cartel.CirrhosisDawg said:
True. The tug is the safe space for fucktards who think the government can fund inefficiency, and regulate and impede the flow of goods, services, and money to the highest and best use.MikeDamone said:Yeah.. Tarrifs and government interfering with the market is bullshit. We all know that. It’s funny though because half of you here cum in your pants for more government.
$25 billion US funded border wall?
Deportation of longstanding Labor supply for multi-billion $$$ Ag, hospitality and entertainment industries?
Tariffs?
Corporate welfare? Payments to farmers to reimburse negative impact of tariffs?
The tug is home to all of this bullshit, including from self-professed “free marketers.”
It’s funny leftists want to drive down wages and conservatives want government to stymie the free market. It’s like it’s Opposite Day.
I care about freedom, liberty, property rights, self ownership, free markets and peace. You care about government oppession of those things and using force of the government to enforce your beliefs. I’m starting to think you and Soros have a lot in common as authoritarian assholes.
https://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/07/29/midterms-billionaire-koch-brothers-threaten-to-support-democrats-pushing-open-borders-free-trade/
The Cochsucker faggots want open borders so they can continue to enrich themselves at the expense of American citizens. We need mechanisms to limit the influence that such people have on government policy through their lobbying efforts. I'm all for cracking down on motherfuckers like that. The founders never intended America to be a country that was sold to the highest bidder. As for the shit about me wanting government to enforce my beliefs, pure horseshit. I want the government to enforce the Constitution. A government that stops following the Constitution is a government that has become an enemy of the people. It's the duty of the people to overthrow such governments. -
We’re you at a bar yesterday?MikeDamone said:
Didn’t just yesterday you jump my shit for being a Classical Liberal. Something about “Hayek, Friedman”...and some shit? Now you give me chins.CirrhosisDawg said:
Let the market decide. Consumers and employers value productivity, efficiency and economy. US Producers of high value-added products and services don’t have a problem. Adapt or die.greenblood said:
It's not that simple...MikeDamone said:
Slippery slope is your logical fallacy. Competing for wages on the open market benefits everyone. Anyone is able to compete in the labor market. Millennial socialists included.oregonblitzkrieg said:
Illegals displace American workers, drive down wages and with enough of them, will be the cause of widespread social chaos when millions are out of work, making it easy for extremist ideologies to make serious inroads in America. It's what opportunistic groups like the "Democratic Socialists of America" want. They admit as much on their website, they're basically waiting for an economic crisis to push their agenda further and gain new followers. We don't need illegals. Fuck them. We can put our own useless millennial socialists to work picking beans in the field. They can get a taste of what its like to really be a part of the proletariat. It's what they want. Everyone wins.MikeDamone said:
No, I just agree with the factual economics. Cheaper labor benefits everyone. Illegal is more beneficial than legal.oregonblitzkrieg said:
If that's your actual position, you're no different than Soros and the Cochsuckers. Open borders.MikeDamone said:
Keeping labor costs down by letting illiterate Mexicans come in is a huge plus. Just as there should be no minimum wage. The skills and supply of labor dictate the price and the government shouldn’t interfere. That’s why Chavez hated illegals. They fucked up his labor cartel.CirrhosisDawg said:
True. The tug is the safe space for fucktards who think the government can fund inefficiency, and regulate and impede the flow of goods, services, and money to the highest and best use.MikeDamone said:Yeah.. Tarrifs and government interfering with the market is bullshit. We all know that. It’s funny though because half of you here cum in your pants for more government.
$25 billion US funded border wall?
Deportation of longstanding Labor supply for multi-billion $$$ Ag, hospitality and entertainment industries?
Tariffs?
Corporate welfare? Payments to farmers to reimburse negative impact of tariffs?
The tug is home to all of this bullshit, including from self-professed “free marketers.”
It’s funny leftists want to drive down wages and conservatives want government to stymie the free market. It’s like it’s Opposite Day.
We aren't talking about just agricultural and farming. Illegal immigrants also drive down wages in the construction field. Your remodelers, roofers, framers, painters, plumbers, landscapers, tile layers, flat workers, are already negatively impacted. Illegals don't pay for licensing, insurance, bonding, etc. So they can outbid on any job they choose. They can also get scooped up by general contractors looking for cheap labor on subdivisions, or employed by specialty contractors because they can be employed on the cheap. This obviously isn't legal, but turning a blind eye will make this practice much more abundant.
Fuck. I know I’m right when I get a accused of being a Trumpmonkey and Soros cocksucker within 24 hours.
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There's still no fucking free market. We're a hybrid of concessions to donors.
Who want cheap illegal labor
Fuck off
