Should you expect to be able to raise a family on a minimum wage job?
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No it wouldn't2001400ex said:
What gay Bob doesn't understand. And this is his logical fallacy. If you and I both sent a check for $10k, it wouldn't even register on the financials of the government. But make everyone pay more and it not only registers, it might actually put a reasonable dent in the deficit.HHusky said:
I’m not willing to subsidize you more than the law requires me to, blob.SFGbob said:
You can pay higher taxes now, you choose not to.HHusky said:
There’s not one thing I’ve advocated that doesn’t raise my taxes.RaceBannon said:
We know. You want others to pay more taxes. Given the chance you'll pass on you paying moreHHusky said:
Well I’m arguing for higher taxes. But I’m not willing to pay extra taxes just so you don’t have to.RaceBannon said:
Pathological liar2001400ex said:
Actually I've never argued for higher taxes. I have made fun of people triggered by AOCs 70% tax and I have corrected people like you who lie about what she said. But I have not made the stance that I want to see that happen.SFGbob said:Race isn't the one advocating for higher taxes Hondo, you are. You fucking hypocrite.
(I did also rail on the tax cuts because I don't think we should have done them. And even tho I saved about 3,500 last year, I don't think we should have cut taxes).
Again lacking the guts to stand up for the bullshit he shills for here
Embarrassing
You suck at math
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Who says what is a fair share? You love to say you pay your fair share and others don’t.2001400ex said:
You told me to pay my fair share. I do pay my fair share.RaceBannon said:
What does this have to do with you being a hypocrite?2001400ex said:
Race. I'll say this once. I'm not into income bashing or gloating. But I'm pretty sure I pay more into federal income than you.RaceBannon said:
But but but but2001400ex said:
Race, what's the difference between tax evasion and tax avoidance?RaceBannon said:Not as long as H and hondo are cheating on their taxes
Pay your fair share and then some
Or STFU about what others pay
State and local tho you probably get fucked. I'd never live in California under the current tax structure. And if you make over $150k, you get fucked by the state and local tax being topped out at $10k under Trump's tax cuts. It's possible your property taxes are close to that alone.
Stop trying to pretend you know shit about me and stop cheating on your taxes
That being said, when you pay sales tax to the state of California on your own for an online purchase where they didn't collect sales tax (see Wayfair decision). Then I'll move my stuff from Montana and pay sales tax on it. Fair?
And of course, there is Hondo with “its ok if I evade taxes, everyone does it”
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I'm not evading taxes with my toy purchases.. And you don't pay sales tax on your online purchases that don't withhold it.MikeDamone said:
Who says what is a fair share? You love to say you pay your fair share and others don’t.2001400ex said:
You told me to pay my fair share. I do pay my fair share.RaceBannon said:
What does this have to do with you being a hypocrite?2001400ex said:
Race. I'll say this once. I'm not into income bashing or gloating. But I'm pretty sure I pay more into federal income than you.RaceBannon said:
But but but but2001400ex said:
Race, what's the difference between tax evasion and tax avoidance?RaceBannon said:Not as long as H and hondo are cheating on their taxes
Pay your fair share and then some
Or STFU about what others pay
State and local tho you probably get fucked. I'd never live in California under the current tax structure. And if you make over $150k, you get fucked by the state and local tax being topped out at $10k under Trump's tax cuts. It's possible your property taxes are close to that alone.
Stop trying to pretend you know shit about me and stop cheating on your taxes
That being said, when you pay sales tax to the state of California on your own for an online purchase where they didn't collect sales tax (see Wayfair decision). Then I'll move my stuff from Montana and pay sales tax on it. Fair?
And of course, there is Hondo with “its ok if I evade taxes, everyone does it”
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Yes, I do.2001400ex said:
I'm not evading taxes with my toy purchases.. And you don't pay sales tax on your online purchases that don't withhold it.MikeDamone said:
Who says what is a fair share? You love to say you pay your fair share and others don’t.2001400ex said:
You told me to pay my fair share. I do pay my fair share.RaceBannon said:
What does this have to do with you being a hypocrite?2001400ex said:
Race. I'll say this once. I'm not into income bashing or gloating. But I'm pretty sure I pay more into federal income than you.RaceBannon said:
But but but but2001400ex said:
Race, what's the difference between tax evasion and tax avoidance?RaceBannon said:Not as long as H and hondo are cheating on their taxes
Pay your fair share and then some
Or STFU about what others pay
State and local tho you probably get fucked. I'd never live in California under the current tax structure. And if you make over $150k, you get fucked by the state and local tax being topped out at $10k under Trump's tax cuts. It's possible your property taxes are close to that alone.
Stop trying to pretend you know shit about me and stop cheating on your taxes
That being said, when you pay sales tax to the state of California on your own for an online purchase where they didn't collect sales tax (see Wayfair decision). Then I'll move my stuff from Montana and pay sales tax on it. Fair?
And of course, there is Hondo with “its ok if I evade taxes, everyone does it”
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Liar.
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Sounds like someone searching for an excuse why it's okay for him to avoid paying the taxes he owes.2001400ex said:
What gay Bob doesn't understand. And this is his logical fallacy. If you and I both sent a check for $10k, it wouldn't even register on the financials of the government. But make everyone pay more and it not only registers, it might actually put a reasonable dent in the deficit.HHusky said:
I’m not willing to subsidize you more than the law requires me to, blob.SFGbob said:
You can pay higher taxes now, you choose not to.HHusky said:
There’s not one thing I’ve advocated that doesn’t raise my taxes.RaceBannon said:
We know. You want others to pay more taxes. Given the chance you'll pass on you paying moreHHusky said:
Well I’m arguing for higher taxes. But I’m not willing to pay extra taxes just so you don’t have to.RaceBannon said:
Pathological liar2001400ex said:
Actually I've never argued for higher taxes. I have made fun of people triggered by AOCs 70% tax and I have corrected people like you who lie about what she said. But I have not made the stance that I want to see that happen.SFGbob said:Race isn't the one advocating for higher taxes Hondo, you are. You fucking hypocrite.
(I did also rail on the tax cuts because I don't think we should have done them. And even tho I saved about 3,500 last year, I don't think we should have cut taxes).
Again lacking the guts to stand up for the bullshit he shills for here
Embarrassing
Do you use this same excuse in order continue littering and polluting Hondo? -
Maybe.
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People don’t work, they’re scum mooching off the government.
People do work, they’re scum for wanting to be paid enough to live.
Keep the average workers pay stagnant, for 50 years, then cry about how rich people pay all the taxes.
Claim it’s the governments job to protect people, make a bunch of excuses why the government shouldn’t protect people.
It’s the same notes over and over again. Yawn. -
Or you could fuck strawman ass when you don't want to honestly address other people's arguments.allpurpleallgold said:People don’t work, they’re scum mooching off the government.
People do work, they’re scum for wanting to be paid enough to live.
Keep the average workers pay stagnant, for 50 years, then cry about how rich people pay all the taxes.
Claim it’s the governments job to protect people, make a bunch of excuses why the government shouldn’t protect people.
It’s the same notes over and over again. Yawn.
Who has kept the average workers pay stagnant? Do they have a name? Do you believe that people with job skills that only command a minimum wage in compensation should be able to support a family of four off that job, yes or no? -
How about not bringing in 20 million illegals to depress wages? You open border types are doing the bidding of evil businessmen like @MikeDamone
Does raising taxes make more money for the workers?
Guess what I did my taxes this morning and hondo and the democrats have been lying their ass off. I got a nice cut. I work for a living. I'm middle class. Trump helped me
What the fuck are you people offering? More illegals and taxes? No thanks -
The real minimum wage is zero. Simple fact.
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Case closed.MikeDamone said:The real minimum wage is zero. Simple fact.
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Simple’s your speed.MikeDamone said:The real minimum wage is zero. Simple fact.
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'Nuff said.MikeDamone said:The real minimum wage is zero. Simple fact.
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Then why not create a path to citizenship for those illegals who are here and can work legally? This ending the depressed wages?RaceBannon said:How about not bringing in 20 million illegals to depress wages? You open border types are doing the bidding of evil businessmen like @MikeDamone
Does raising taxes make more money for the workers?
Guess what I did my taxes this morning and hondo and the democrats have been lying their ass off. I got a nice cut. I work for a living. I'm middle class. Trump helped me
What the fuck are you people offering? More illegals and taxes? No thanks
And if you don't agree with that. Then discuss who we can find and remove your number of 20 million illegals. And the resulting effect on the economy if that happened. -
You seem new to this. It showsHHusky said: -
Great point and question that they never answer. Who has had a bigger impact on keep wages stagnant, your unnamed boogieman or 20 million illegal immigrants?RaceBannon said:How about not bringing in 20 million illegals to depress wages? You open border types are doing the bidding of evil businessmen like @MikeDamone
Does raising taxes make more money for the workers?
Guess what I did my taxes this morning and hondo and the democrats have been lying their ass off. I got a nice cut. I work for a living. I'm middle class. Trump helped me
What the fuck are you people offering? More illegals and taxes? No thanks -
This is why Ceaser Chavez hated illegals.SFGbob said:
Great point and question that they never answer. Who has had a bigger impact on keep wages stagnant, your unnamed boogieman or 20 million illegal immigrants?RaceBannon said:How about not bringing in 20 million illegals to depress wages? You open border types are doing the bidding of evil businessmen like @MikeDamone
Does raising taxes make more money for the workers?
Guess what I did my taxes this morning and hondo and the democrats have been lying their ass off. I got a nice cut. I work for a living. I'm middle class. Trump helped me
What the fuck are you people offering? More illegals and taxes? No thanks -
Hondo's understanding of economics sucks as bad as his understanding of most topics.2001400ex said:
Then why not create a path to citizenship for those illegals who are here and can work legally? This ending the depressed wages?RaceBannon said:How about not bringing in 20 million illegals to depress wages? You open border types are doing the bidding of evil businessmen like @MikeDamone
Does raising taxes make more money for the workers?
Guess what I did my taxes this morning and hondo and the democrats have been lying their ass off. I got a nice cut. I work for a living. I'm middle class. Trump helped me
What the fuck are you people offering? More illegals and taxes? No thanks
And if you don't agree with that. Then discuss who we can find and remove your number of 20 million illegals. And the resulting effect on the economy if that happened.
Making all the illegals, legal doesn't remove the supply and demand issue Hondo. -
Oh, we should be honest? What should minimum wage be then?SFGbob said:
Or you could fuck strawman ass when you don't want to honestly address other people's arguments.allpurpleallgold said:People don’t work, they’re scum mooching off the government.
People do work, they’re scum for wanting to be paid enough to live.
Keep the average workers pay stagnant, for 50 years, then cry about how rich people pay all the taxes.
Claim it’s the governments job to protect people, make a bunch of excuses why the government shouldn’t protect people.
It’s the same notes over and over again. Yawn.
Who has kept the average workers pay stagnant? Do they have a name? Do you believe that people with job skills that only command a minimum wage in compensation should be able to support a family of four off that job, yes or no?
And, I know, strawman. But your obvious bait is obvious. Stop begging for it. -
And that has absolutely nothing to do with what I wrote. Other than that, fair point.SFGbob said:
Hondo's understanding of economics sucks as bad as his understanding of most topics.2001400ex said:
Then why not create a path to citizenship for those illegals who are here and can work legally? This ending the depressed wages?RaceBannon said:How about not bringing in 20 million illegals to depress wages? You open border types are doing the bidding of evil businessmen like @MikeDamone
Does raising taxes make more money for the workers?
Guess what I did my taxes this morning and hondo and the democrats have been lying their ass off. I got a nice cut. I work for a living. I'm middle class. Trump helped me
What the fuck are you people offering? More illegals and taxes? No thanks
And if you don't agree with that. Then discuss who we can find and remove your number of 20 million illegals. And the resulting effect on the economy if that happened.
Making all the illegals, legal doesn't remove the supply and demand issue Hondo. -
Yes. Yes. The deficit. That’s what Libs care about and why they want the 70% tax. It’s not because they want to open the gates and give free shit to everybody. No!!!!2001400ex said:
What gay Bob doesn't understand. And this is his logical fallacy. If you and I both sent a check for $10k, it wouldn't even register on the financials of the government. But make everyone pay more and it not only registers, it might actually put a reasonable dent in the deficit.HHusky said:
I’m not willing to subsidize you more than the law requires me to, blob.SFGbob said:
You can pay higher taxes now, you choose not to.HHusky said:
There’s not one thing I’ve advocated that doesn’t raise my taxes.RaceBannon said:
We know. You want others to pay more taxes. Given the chance you'll pass on you paying moreHHusky said:
Well I’m arguing for higher taxes. But I’m not willing to pay extra taxes just so you don’t have to.RaceBannon said:
Pathological liar2001400ex said:
Actually I've never argued for higher taxes. I have made fun of people triggered by AOCs 70% tax and I have corrected people like you who lie about what she said. But I have not made the stance that I want to see that happen.SFGbob said:Race isn't the one advocating for higher taxes Hondo, you are. You fucking hypocrite.
(I did also rail on the tax cuts because I don't think we should have done them. And even tho I saved about 3,500 last year, I don't think we should have cut taxes).
Again lacking the guts to stand up for the bullshit he shills for here
Embarrassing
Liberals want deficit reduction!!! And they want it now!!!! -
I don't believe there should be a minimum wage. Let the market set what wages are paid. And of course you dodged the questions you were asked.allpurpleallgold said:
Oh, we should be honest? What should minimum wage be then?SFGbob said:
Or you could fuck strawman ass when you don't want to honestly address other people's arguments.allpurpleallgold said:People don’t work, they’re scum mooching off the government.
People do work, they’re scum for wanting to be paid enough to live.
Keep the average workers pay stagnant, for 50 years, then cry about how rich people pay all the taxes.
Claim it’s the governments job to protect people, make a bunch of excuses why the government shouldn’t protect people.
It’s the same notes over and over again. Yawn.
Who has kept the average workers pay stagnant? Do they have a name? Do you believe that people with job skills that only command a minimum wage in compensation should be able to support a family of four off that job, yes or no?
And, I know, strawman. But your obvious bait is obvious. Stop begging for it. -
An admission that Hondo is too stupid to even understand what he writes.2001400ex said:
And that has absolutely nothing to do with what I wrote. Other than that, fair point.SFGbob said:
Hondo's understanding of economics sucks as bad as his understanding of most topics.2001400ex said:
Then why not create a path to citizenship for those illegals who are here and can work legally? This ending the depressed wages?RaceBannon said:How about not bringing in 20 million illegals to depress wages? You open border types are doing the bidding of evil businessmen like @MikeDamone
Does raising taxes make more money for the workers?
Guess what I did my taxes this morning and hondo and the democrats have been lying their ass off. I got a nice cut. I work for a living. I'm middle class. Trump helped me
What the fuck are you people offering? More illegals and taxes? No thanks
And if you don't agree with that. Then discuss who we can find and remove your number of 20 million illegals. And the resulting effect on the economy if that happened.
Making all the illegals, legal doesn't remove the supply and demand issue Hondo.
You claimed that giving all the illegals the ability to become legal would "end[] the depressed wages." What I said was in response to exactly what you wrote. Which makes you once again, either a liar or moron. Take your pick. -
Why would you bring beliefs into this? Weak minded and lacks objectivity imo.SFGbob said:
I don't believe there should be a minimum wage. Let the market set what wages are paid. And of course you dodged the questions you were asked.allpurpleallgold said:
Oh, we should be honest? What should minimum wage be then?SFGbob said:
Or you could fuck strawman ass when you don't want to honestly address other people's arguments.allpurpleallgold said:People don’t work, they’re scum mooching off the government.
People do work, they’re scum for wanting to be paid enough to live.
Keep the average workers pay stagnant, for 50 years, then cry about how rich people pay all the taxes.
Claim it’s the governments job to protect people, make a bunch of excuses why the government shouldn’t protect people.
It’s the same notes over and over again. Yawn.
Who has kept the average workers pay stagnant? Do they have a name? Do you believe that people with job skills that only command a minimum wage in compensation should be able to support a family of four off that job, yes or no?
And, I know, strawman. But your obvious bait is obvious. Stop begging for it. -
Because I was asked a question and I honestly answered it. I realize that around here that's fairly uncommon behavior.Gwad said:
Why would you bring beliefs into this? Weak minded and lacks objectivity imo.SFGbob said:
I don't believe there should be a minimum wage. Let the market set what wages are paid. And of course you dodged the questions you were asked.allpurpleallgold said:
Oh, we should be honest? What should minimum wage be then?SFGbob said:
Or you could fuck strawman ass when you don't want to honestly address other people's arguments.allpurpleallgold said:People don’t work, they’re scum mooching off the government.
People do work, they’re scum for wanting to be paid enough to live.
Keep the average workers pay stagnant, for 50 years, then cry about how rich people pay all the taxes.
Claim it’s the governments job to protect people, make a bunch of excuses why the government shouldn’t protect people.
It’s the same notes over and over again. Yawn.
Who has kept the average workers pay stagnant? Do they have a name? Do you believe that people with job skills that only command a minimum wage in compensation should be able to support a family of four off that job, yes or no?
And, I know, strawman. But your obvious bait is obvious. Stop begging for it. -
Dude seriously? If every illegal were made legal. Then they would be paid minimum wage. Thus ending their depressed wage.SFGbob said:
An admission that Hondo is too stupid to even understand what he writes.2001400ex said:
And that has absolutely nothing to do with what I wrote. Other than that, fair point.SFGbob said:
Hondo's understanding of economics sucks as bad as his understanding of most topics.2001400ex said:
Then why not create a path to citizenship for those illegals who are here and can work legally? This ending the depressed wages?RaceBannon said:How about not bringing in 20 million illegals to depress wages? You open border types are doing the bidding of evil businessmen like @MikeDamone
Does raising taxes make more money for the workers?
Guess what I did my taxes this morning and hondo and the democrats have been lying their ass off. I got a nice cut. I work for a living. I'm middle class. Trump helped me
What the fuck are you people offering? More illegals and taxes? No thanks
And if you don't agree with that. Then discuss who we can find and remove your number of 20 million illegals. And the resulting effect on the economy if that happened.
Making all the illegals, legal doesn't remove the supply and demand issue Hondo.
You claimed that giving all the illegals the ability to become legal would "end[] the depressed wages." What I said was in response to exactly what you wrote. Which makes you once again, either a liar or moron. Take your pick.
Fuck I've had smarter discussions with an 8 year old. -
Illegals do not deserve to be made legal. We can not reward breaking our laws. It'll just keep happening and we'll cease to exist as a nation. Anyoneone who thinks otherwise should GTFO.
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I thought that what I said had nothing to do with what you wrote Kunt? So we can dispense with that lie.2001400ex said:
Dude seriously? If every illegal were made legal. Then they would be paid minimum wage. Thus ending their depressed wage.SFGbob said:
An admission that Hondo is too stupid to even understand what he writes.2001400ex said:
And that has absolutely nothing to do with what I wrote. Other than that, fair point.SFGbob said:
Hondo's understanding of economics sucks as bad as his understanding of most topics.2001400ex said:
Then why not create a path to citizenship for those illegals who are here and can work legally? This ending the depressed wages?RaceBannon said:How about not bringing in 20 million illegals to depress wages? You open border types are doing the bidding of evil businessmen like @MikeDamone
Does raising taxes make more money for the workers?
Guess what I did my taxes this morning and hondo and the democrats have been lying their ass off. I got a nice cut. I work for a living. I'm middle class. Trump helped me
What the fuck are you people offering? More illegals and taxes? No thanks
And if you don't agree with that. Then discuss who we can find and remove your number of 20 million illegals. And the resulting effect on the economy if that happened.
Making all the illegals, legal doesn't remove the supply and demand issue Hondo.
You claimed that giving all the illegals the ability to become legal would "end[] the depressed wages." What I said was in response to exactly what you wrote. Which makes you once again, either a liar or moron. Take your pick.
Fuck I've had smarter discussions with an 8 year old.
Hondo once again is too stupid to understand supply and demand.
If a contractor can get away with paying his roofers the minimum wage, they've already depressed wages dumbfuck. Making all illegals legal just creates and even greater supply of labor thus depressing their wages. There are already plenty of jobs where you can't attract legal and many illegal workers if you're only willing to pay the minimum wage.
But Hondo believes, because he is a fucking moron, that if you dump millions of formerly illegal workers into that labor market wages will some how rise because now they'll be able to earn the minimum wage.
It must be nice going through life as a fucking moron Hondo, you never have to take the energy to actually think. You just run your ignorant mouth. -
They are already in the labor force and that work still needs to be done.SFGbob said:
I thought that what I said had nothing to do with what you wrote Kunt? So we can dispense with that lie.2001400ex said:
Dude seriously? If every illegal were made legal. Then they would be paid minimum wage. Thus ending their depressed wage.SFGbob said:
An admission that Hondo is too stupid to even understand what he writes.2001400ex said:
And that has absolutely nothing to do with what I wrote. Other than that, fair point.SFGbob said:
Hondo's understanding of economics sucks as bad as his understanding of most topics.2001400ex said:
Then why not create a path to citizenship for those illegals who are here and can work legally? This ending the depressed wages?RaceBannon said:How about not bringing in 20 million illegals to depress wages? You open border types are doing the bidding of evil businessmen like @MikeDamone
Does raising taxes make more money for the workers?
Guess what I did my taxes this morning and hondo and the democrats have been lying their ass off. I got a nice cut. I work for a living. I'm middle class. Trump helped me
What the fuck are you people offering? More illegals and taxes? No thanks
And if you don't agree with that. Then discuss who we can find and remove your number of 20 million illegals. And the resulting effect on the economy if that happened.
Making all the illegals, legal doesn't remove the supply and demand issue Hondo.
You claimed that giving all the illegals the ability to become legal would "end[] the depressed wages." What I said was in response to exactly what you wrote. Which makes you once again, either a liar or moron. Take your pick.
Fuck I've had smarter discussions with an 8 year old.
Hondo once again is too stupid to understand supply and demand.
If a contractor can get away with paying his roofers the minimum wage, they've already depressed wages dumbfuck. Making all illegals legal just creates and even greater supply of labor thus depressing their wages. There are already plenty of jobs where you can't attract legal and many illegal workers if you're only willing to pay the minimum wage.
But Hondo believes, because he is a fucking moron, that if you dump millions of formerly illegal workers into that labor market wages will some how rise because now they'll be able to earn the minimum wage.
It must be nice going through life as a fucking moron Hondo, you never have to take the energy to actually think. You just run your ignorant mouth.
Why am I not surprised you completely didn't answer my questions and went on this fucktarded tangent.
