The Race Thread
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Every post about blacks?TierbsHsotBoobs said:I always thought the voter ID thing was for illegal aliens, not blacks.
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It's both. Mostly Hispanics in southern states. But it's still racist.TierbsHsotBoobs said:I always thought the voter ID thing was for illegal aliens, not blacks.
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So a person registers, proves they are a citizen in the process, but when it comes time to actually vote we don't need to check who they are? But this hurts the blacks? Who's the racist? Look in the mirror.CollegeDoog said:
The registration process works just fine. It's not endorsing a free for all to not want IDs as a requirement. The current process isn't a fucking free for all.MikeDamone said:
For fuck sake. Why even have a registration process? Let's just have a god damn free for all on Election Day. Why do you feel you shouldn't have to prove who you say you are in order to vote. You seem to think pretty lowly of black individuals who you suggest don't have their shit together enough to get an ID like every other individual of every other racial group.CollegeDoog said:
You hit the problem on the head: the rules. By changing the requirements to vote beyond being an American citizen, the rules are unfair. It is proven that black people are less likely to hold a formal ID than whites. Requiring everyone to have an ID knowingly oppresses the black vote. It's not racist to make that observation.MikeDamone said:
If they can get an ID, then do it...if voting is important to someone, then follow the rules that everyone else follows rather than bitch about it. Are you saying only black people are required to have an ID and busloads of Asians are allowed to vote by simply promising they are who they say?CollegeDoog said:
The problem isn't that they can't get Voter ID. They can. Some still won't. The problem is adding an extra hurdle that knowingly oppresses the vote.MikeDamone said:
So you're saying blacks aren't capable doing a very basic task task that everyone else seems to be able to pull off in order to prevent voter fraud? You need to look elsewhere for the racist. Seems to me having the same rules and rights for every individual, no mater what "group" they belong to is the first step to a color/gay/ gender blind society.CollegeDoog said:
Voter ID laws are racist because of who it targets. What population is less likely to be able to produce valid IDs? Minorities and the poor. Creating an extra hurdle to vote beyond being an American citizen is, well, un-American.MikeDamone said:
If it's not color blind, it isn't true capitalism. I have never encountered any racial issues what so ever. I had black bosses, subordinates, clients, and peers. Never been an issue. I know that might be hard for you and your professor to believe. I think my experience is more the rule than the exception.CollegeDoog said:
How come voter ID was never a problem until recently, when minorities started voting heavily for one party? How come voter ID laws are being pushed by Republicans? Voting is intrinsically different than buying alcohol or cashing a check, it's a fucking civil liberty that blacks had to fight hundreds of years for. And now it's ok to take measures that infringe on that? I can't believe you even wrote that.MikeDamone said:TL,DR
STFU Already.
And I did read a little. Expecting people to show ID before voting is racist? WTF? I say telling a whole group of people they just aren't capable of getting a god damn picture ID is racist. Is showing an ID to buy alcohol in a black neighborhood racist? Or showing an ID to cash a check. Or fucking drive?
Most of your opinions are just that, opinions but into your head by professors who make a living off this shit. Neither of you have real world experience.
Yes, some people are racists. 98% of blacks voting for Obama seems racial based, don't you think? But to say a white society is keeping the black man down in order to feel vindicated is a lie. I've been working 40 years with professionals of all races. Never once have a saw anything that would remotely be considered racist. True capitalism is probably the least racist system you can conceive.
Individuals are the smallest minority. Think about it.
Only a small minded person thinks someone is a product of what their professors tell them. Watching the news media shit all over itself trying to fan the racial flames this summer isn't something a professor told me. In fact, my favorite professor is Murray Dry who is a strict constitutionalist that doesn't believe in affirmative action, compiled the "anti-federalist" papers by Brutus, but he's one of the smartest people I've ever encountered. So don't paint me as a sheep spewing the liberal gospel. Most of my views on race were developed at a high school with 50% minorities and 40% of the students on financial aid. Real world experience isn't restricted to how you define it.
True capitalism is the least racist system only in a color blind society. We are not color blind. The constitution is not color blind. I find it hard to believe that you've never encountered anything racist over your career. You're either lying or willfully ignorant. Even the most successful African Americans have anecdotes of facing racism. You seem to be operating in a bubble.
Voter ID has always been a problem, but it becomes a crisis when people start showing up by the bus load. Explain to me again how asking everyone to show an ID before they do vote is racist? Unless you are saying black people aren't capable of procuring IDs...then who is the racist?
I will paint you as a sheep spewing statist gospel (notice I didn't liberal) as long as you continue to do so. You should learn from Dry then and oppose the tryany of the state on the individual rather suggest an entire group of people isn't capable of improving their situation by taking advantage opportunists that are afforded them. Any other position is racist in nature and perpetuates the problem.
HTH
Again, we don't live in a color blind society. Individuals are confronted with racial discrimination daily. What's racist in nature is expecting people to be satisfied with the opportunity presented them, even if the equality of opportunity is varied for certain races.
Of course, no one believes in equality of outcome, but a true capitalist society enjoys equality of opportunity, no?
Agree on part two. Having equal rights in place is a necessary step. The bad thing is they are still being enforced unequally.
Are the rules that state that any American citizen over 18 is an eligible voter unfair? Is that not MORE equal than requiring an ID?
Tell me why they should have to take another step to be able to vote? And election fraud is a bullshit reason.
The whole voter ID movement is calculated. It's the new gerrymandering.
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MikeDamone said:
If it's not color blind, it isn't true capitalism. I have never encountered any racial issues what so ever. I had black bosses, subordinates, clients, and peers. Never been an issue. I know that might be hard for you and your professor to believe. I think my experience is more the rule than the exception.CollegeDoog said:
How come voter ID was never a problem until recently, when minorities started voting heavily for one party? How come voter ID laws are being pushed by Republicans? Voting is intrinsically different than buying alcohol or cashing a check, it's a fucking civil liberty that blacks had to fight hundreds of years for. And now it's ok to take measures that infringe on that? I can't believe you even wrote that.MikeDamone said:TL,DR
STFU Already.
And I did read a little. Expecting people to show ID before voting is racist? WTF? I say telling a whole group of people they just aren't capable of getting a god damn picture ID is racist. Is showing an ID to buy alcohol in a black neighborhood racist? Or showing an ID to cash a check. Or fucking drive?
Most of your opinions are just that, opinions but into your head by professors who make a living off this shit. Neither of you have real world experience.
Yes, some people are racists. 98% of blacks voting for Obama seems racial based, don't you think? But to say a white society is keeping the black man down in order to feel vindicated is a lie. I've been working 40 years with professionals of all races. Never once have a saw anything that would remotely be considered racist. True capitalism is probably the least racist system you can conceive.
Individuals are the smallest minority. Think about it.
Only a small minded person thinks someone is a product of what their professors tell them. Watching the news media shit all over itself trying to fan the racial flames this summer isn't something a professor told me. In fact, my favorite professor is Murray Dry who is a strict constitutionalist that doesn't believe in affirmative action, compiled the "anti-federalist" papers by Brutus, but he's one of the smartest people I've ever encountered. So don't paint me as a sheep spewing the liberal gospel. Most of my views on race were developed at a high school with 50% minorities and 40% of the students on financial aid. Real world experience isn't restricted to how you define it.
True capitalism is the least racist system only in a color blind society. We are not color blind. The constitution is not color blind. I find it hard to believe that you've never encountered anything racist over your career. You're either lying or willfully ignorant. Even the most successful African Americans have anecdotes of facing racism. You seem to be operating in a bubble.
Voter ID has always been a problem, but it becomes a crisis when people start showing up by the bus load. Explain to me again how asking everyone to show an ID before they do vote is racist? Unless you are saying black people aren't capable of procuring IDs...then who is the racist?
I will paint you as a sheep spewing statist gospel (notice I didn't liberal) as long as you continue to do so. You should learn from Dry then and oppose the tryany of the state on the individual rather suggest an entire group of people isn't capable of improving their situation by taking advantage opportunists that are afforded them. Any other position is racist in nature and perpetuates the problem.
HTH
Fucking THIS. I'd add to this TL,DR of a thread, but this is really all that needs to be said. -
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I actually put some thought into yesterday's replies but today it seems like the essence of collegdoog's complaints about AmeriKKKa are
An obscure case in Florida that didn't have enough evidence to prosecute but was brought to national attention by a race baiting President who needed to distract from his failures which somehow became the fault of the "white media" for fanning the flames. When the white perp was found to be Hispanic he became a White Hispanic, a term used liked never. Obama has never asked for a national conversation about Black on Black violence, by far the most dangerous violence a young Black man faces daily.
Asking people to provide ID to vote is a racist plot for a non existent problem of voter fraud perpetrated by racist Republicans in order to deny Blacks the vote a problem that is, uh, not proven at all. We're still wondering how these crafty legislators know that Blacks are incapable of getting an ID that you need for almost every aspect of life today, and are available free of charge because any liberal will tell you that when we talk about poor folks its Black who are the only poor people around
George Zimmerman, known white Hispanic racially profiled the thug in his neighborhood because young Black men don't make up a disproportionate number of street criminals but if they did its because of institutional racism, voter ID, profiling, and George Zimmerman and the white media reporting on the President fanning racial flames.
To expect individual responsibility in the face of these daunting road blocks is racist and reveals one to be what one isn't unless they are.
I guess at this point the case is closed and we al learned a valuable lesson these past couple of days. Drop out of high school, get pregnant, go on welfare and don't try because Whitey has it rigged and vote for democrats because for the last 60 years they have been on your side and things are worse than ever thanks to republicans.
But I voted for Romney
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An obscure case in Florida or a microcosm of a greater problem? The media was on to it long before Obama commented on it. There were marches before before he said anything.
Voter ID laws are unnecessary. Voting is a civil liberty, ID requirements diminish that. If someone wants to vote the requirement should be citizenship, nothing beyond that. You're lying to yourself if you truly don't see the intention of these laws.
Nice justification of racial profiling.
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Yeah, but still.RaceBannon said:I actually put some thought into yesterday's replies but today it seems like the essence of collegdoog's complaints about AmeriKKKa are
An obscure case in Florida that didn't have enough evidence to prosecute but was brought to national attention by a race baiting President who needed to distract from his failures which somehow became the fault of the "white media" for fanning the flames. When the white perp was found to be Hispanic he became a White Hispanic, a term used liked never. Obama has never asked for a national conversation about Black on Black violence, by far the most dangerous violence a young Black man faces daily.
Asking people to provide ID to vote is a racist plot for a non existent problem of voter fraud perpetrated by racist Republicans in order to deny Blacks the vote a problem that is, uh, not proven at all. We're still wondering how these crafty legislators know that Blacks are incapable of getting an ID that you need for almost every aspect of life today, and are available free of charge because any liberal will tell you that when we talk about poor folks its Black who are the only poor people around
George Zimmerman, known white Hispanic racially profiled the thug in his neighborhood because young Black men don't make up a disproportionate number of street criminals but if they did its because of institutional racism, voter ID, profiling, and George Zimmerman and the white media reporting on the President fanning racial flames.
To expect individual responsibility in the face of these daunting road blocks is racist and reveals one to be what one isn't unless they are.
I guess at this point the case is closed and we al learned a valuable lesson these past couple of days. Drop out of high school, get pregnant, go on welfare and don't try because Whitey has it rigged and vote for democrats because for the last 60 years they have been on your side and things are worse than ever thanks to republicans.
But I voted for Romney
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I would argue that economicism is to blame not racism. People that have money get more, than people that don't. Then, their children go to nice schools and then get nice jobs. Then their children, and so on. Financially strong minorities get the same as financially strong whites. And yes, financially weak minorities are discriminated the same as financially weak whites.
But I do not agree with income sharing. Fuck that. 99% of rich people at one time earned it, or had a past family member earn it. Maybe if a low life would go out and earn something for a change, maybe the world would be a better place. -
Economicism? Gas.matches.fire.diegreenblood said:I would argue that economicism is to blame not racism. People that have money get more, than people that don't. Then, their children go to nice schools and then get nice jobs. Then their children, and so on. Financially strong minorities get the same as financially strong whites. And yes, financially weak minorities are discriminated the same as financially weak whites.
But I do not agree with income sharing. Fuck that. 99% of rich people at one time earned it, or had a past family member earn it. Maybe if a low life would go out and earn something for a change, maybe the world would be a better place. -
You are the one racial profiling in this thread. You are the one who started refering to a certain demographic of people as "they". You treat "them" (since you like to catergorize people as such) as if they are babies/puppies, incapable of going out and accomplishing a simple task. This isn't some insane barrier someone has to go through in order to vote as you like to make it out to be.
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You know how those people are?CuntWaffle said:You are the one racial profiling in this thread. You are the one who started refering to a certain demographic of people as "they". You treat "them" (since you like to catergorize people as such) as if they are babies/puppies, incapable of going out and accomplishing a simple task. This isn't some insane barrier someone has to go through in order to vote as you like to make it out to be.
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So is the Knock Out game a microcosm of a larger problem? Is Black on Black gang violence a microcosm of a larger problem? Or is it just Hispanics profiling thugs in their neighborhood that we need to care about?CollegeDoog said:An obscure case in Florida or a microcosm of a greater problem? The media was on to it long before Obama commented on it. There were marches before before he said anything.
Voter ID laws are unnecessary. Voting is a civil liberty, ID requirements diminish that. If someone wants to vote the requirement should be citizenship, nothing beyond that. You're lying to yourself if you truly don't see the intention of these laws.
Nice justification of racial profiling.
Another dishonest post about race in America, and a dishonest representation of my arguments in this thread.
How do you prove citizenship without ID? You don't.
Why don't you prove that requiring the same ID you need to register at the poll is actually suppressing the vote? You can't. How did you divine this intention? Fucking Kreskin?
We profile all day every day. Black profile whites as well. If I am on neighborhood watch and a dude in a hoodie is walking around in the middle of the night i'm checking him. Zimmerman would have checked me. I just don'e think Hispanics are inherently racist. The race hustlers thought George was white - that's why it became the cause of the day.
All my posts have been honest and you didn't have an answer for them yesterday. So I accurately portrayed your pathetic attempt to prove your institutional racism claim by crystallizing your lame argument. You can thank me later when you realize critical thinking is a skill you will need in life
You're lucky I take the time to post here to help you
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We are lucky Race sets up his chess board here.
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CollegeDoog, here is some unsolicited advice. I think it's time to leave Middlebury. Transfer to University of Texas, University of North Carolina, UC-Santa Barbara (can't go wrong with this one), or another prestigious university in a warm climate. Like I said before, snort lines, pop some molly, eat shrooms, talk shit and smoke weed, drink too much alcohol, and most importantly, fuck a lot of chicks. Then get a good job and make some money and when the money comes, you will fuck even hotter chicks. Stop worrying about shit you can't control.
Use your intelligence for your benefit, not to argue about racial equality in America. As Robert DeNiro says in A Bronx Tale (great flick btw), "There is nothing worse then wasted potential." Arguing about pointless shit with old men, is what I would call wasting potential. -
I think collegedoog supports the troops, but is against the war. Also guessing he is anti hunger, anti bullying, anti murder, anti stealing, and anti sexual abuse.
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That's pretty sound advice. He's home from college. I'm in the office
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Agreed. People need to enjoy there 4 year vacation while they have it. More blow and and drunk co-ed sluts, less online boreds.RoadDawg55 said:CollegeDoog, here is some unsolicited advice. I think it's time to leave Middlebury. Transfer to University of Texas, University of North Carolina, UC-Santa Barbara (can't go wrong with this one), or another prestigious university in a warm climate. Like I said before, snort lines, pop some molly, eat shrooms, talk shit and smoke weed, drink too much alcohol, and most importantly, fuck a lot of chicks. Then get a good job and make some money and when the money comes, you will fuck even hotter chicks. Stop worrying about shit you can't control.
Use your intelligence for your benefit, not to argue about racial equality in America. As Robert DeNiro says in A Bronx Tale (great flick btw), "There is nothing worse then wasted potential." Arguing about pointless shit with old men, is what I would call wasting potential. -
I'm starting to agree that this whole thread was a futile experiment to have any kind of real discussion on race.RoadDawg55 said:CollegeDoog, here is some unsolicited advice. I think it's time to leave Middlebury. Transfer to University of Texas, University of North Carolina, UC-Santa Barbara (can't go wrong with this one), or another prestigious university in a warm climate. Like I said before, snort lines, pop some molly, eat shrooms, talk shit and smoke weed, drink too much alcohol, and most importantly, fuck a lot of chicks. Then get a good job and make some money and when the money comes, you will fuck even hotter chicks. Stop worrying about shit you can't control.
Use your intelligence for your benefit, not to argue about racial equality in America. As Robert DeNiro says in A Bronx Tale (great flick btw), "There is nothing worse then wasted potential." Arguing about pointless shit with old men, is what I would call wasting potential.
I was drawn to this site because the people here were mostly fucking assholes like me who like to smoke weed and talk shit.
Trying to have an argument on anything outside of Husky Football becomes an infinite loop, similar to how arguments dissolve into talking points in politics and society.
I'm guilty of this too.
Best to just ignore the general bored and talk shit to doogs and post stupid pictures and gameday signs and make fun of quadriplegic bigots and make gurgle jokes and troll the fucktards on scout.com
I didn't want to have a serious discussion on race anyway.
CAN'T WE GET BACK TO Xs AND Os!
(And this post isn't conceding defeat. There's better things to do than get caught up in this complex argument on a Hooskie Foosball message bored) -
You pretty much just described the internet in general. It is pretty much people just screaming at their hand. For a lot it is a natural place for people to blow off steam so arguments get nowhere and off course for the most part.CollegeDoog said:
I'm starting to agree that this whole thread was a futile experiment to have any kind of real discussion on race.RoadDawg55 said:CollegeDoog, here is some unsolicited advice. I think it's time to leave Middlebury. Transfer to University of Texas, University of North Carolina, UC-Santa Barbara (can't go wrong with this one), or another prestigious university in a warm climate. Like I said before, snort lines, pop some molly, eat shrooms, talk shit and smoke weed, drink too much alcohol, and most importantly, fuck a lot of chicks. Then get a good job and make some money and when the money comes, you will fuck even hotter chicks. Stop worrying about shit you can't control.
Use your intelligence for your benefit, not to argue about racial equality in America. As Robert DeNiro says in A Bronx Tale (great flick btw), "There is nothing worse then wasted potential." Arguing about pointless shit with old men, is what I would call wasting potential.
I was drawn to this site because the people here were mostly fucking assholes like me who like to smoke weed and talk shit.
Trying to have an argument on anything outside of Husky Football becomes an infinite loop, similar to how arguments dissolve into talking points in politics and society.
I'm guilty of this too.
Best to just ignore the general bored and talk shit to doogs and post stupid pictures and gameday signs and make fun of quadriplegic bigots and make gurgle jokes and troll the fucktards on scout.com
I didn't want to have a serious discussion on race anyway.
CAN'T WE GET BACK TO Xs AND Os!
You just have to realize through all this disagreement it isn't anything personal. This probably won't be the last time this happens either. -
Yep - we should all just smoke weed and talk shit like Lane Kiffin
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Lane Kiffin was always one of my favorite classy poasters.
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If you think that was Race playing chess then you're still playing checkers. Honest and thoughtful responses are fucking worthless.MikeDamone said:We are lucky Race sets up his chess board here.
Collegedoog- I thought you did a really nice job in these threads. I agree with a lot of what you've said. I thought you let these guys get away with a little to much but that's probably because you were trying to have a real conversation. -
Huh?
Honest and thoughtful responses are worthless but you agree with him trying to have a serious conversation?
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Why don't you ask if you can guzzle his cum too?allpurpleallgold said:
If you think that was Race playing chess then you're still playing checkers. Honest and thoughtful responses are fucking worthless.MikeDamone said:We are lucky Race sets up his chess board here.
Collegedoog- I thought you did a really nice job in these threads. I agree with a lot of what you've said. I thought you let these guys get away with a little to much but that's probably because you were trying to have a real conversation. -
CollegeDoog is too youngCuntWaffle said:
Why don't you ask if you can guzzle his cum too?allpurpleallgold said:
If you think that was Race playing chess then you're still playing checkers. Honest and thoughtful responses are fucking worthless.MikeDamone said:We are lucky Race sets up his chess board here.
Collegedoog- I thought you did a really nice job in these threads. I agree with a lot of what you've said. I thought you let these guys get away with a little to much but that's probably because you were trying to have a real conversation. -
Low tweak.
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What is a "real discussion", people agreeing with your statist bullshit?CollegeDoog said:
I'm starting to agree that this whole thread was a futile experiment to have any kind of real discussion on race.RoadDawg55 said:CollegeDoog, here is some unsolicited advice. I think it's time to leave Middlebury. Transfer to University of Texas, University of North Carolina, UC-Santa Barbara (can't go wrong with this one), or another prestigious university in a warm climate. Like I said before, snort lines, pop some molly, eat shrooms, talk shit and smoke weed, drink too much alcohol, and most importantly, fuck a lot of chicks. Then get a good job and make some money and when the money comes, you will fuck even hotter chicks. Stop worrying about shit you can't control.
Use your intelligence for your benefit, not to argue about racial equality in America. As Robert DeNiro says in A Bronx Tale (great flick btw), "There is nothing worse then wasted potential." Arguing about pointless shit with old men, is what I would call wasting potential.
I was drawn to this site because the people here were mostly fucking assholes like me who like to smoke weed and talk shit.
Trying to have an argument on anything outside of Husky Football becomes an infinite loop, similar to how arguments dissolve into talking points in politics and society.
I'm guilty of this too.
Best to just ignore the general bored and talk shit to doogs and post stupid pictures and gameday signs and make fun of quadriplegic bigots and make gurgle jokes and troll the fucktards on scout.com
I didn't want to have a serious discussion on race anyway.
CAN'T WE GET BACK TO Xs AND Os!
(And this post isn't conceding defeat. There's better things to do than get caught up in this complex argument on a Hooskie Foosball message bored) -
"(And this post isn't conceding defeat. There's better things to do than get caught up in this complex argument on a Hooskie Foosball message bored)"..
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Of course you did....... Put away the checker board.allpurpleallgold said:
If you think that was Race playing chess then you're still playing checkers. Honest and thoughtful responses are fucking worthless.MikeDamone said:We are lucky Race sets up his chess board here.
Collegedoog- I thought you did a really nice job in these threads. I agree with a lot of what you've said. I thought you let these guys get away with a little to much but that's probably because you were trying to have a real conversation.
Lay out for us why registering with a birth certificate is OK, but proving you're that same person when voting is racist.....
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