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Ok, fine. But they are justifying the racial profiling. That is undeniable.CuntWaffle said:No one is saying he deserved it here, NO ONE. Keep fabricating false words and issues though. You will step into the real world soon enough.
And why do you make getting an ID seem like it is equivalent to getting into graduate school at Harvard? -
If they can get an ID, then do it...if voting is important to someone, then follow the rules that everyone else follows rather than bitch about it. Are you saying only black people are required to have an ID and busloads of Asians are allowed to vote by simply promising they are who they say?CollegeDoog said:
The problem isn't that they can't get Voter ID. They can. Some still won't. The problem is adding an extra hurdle that knowingly oppresses the vote.MikeDamone said:
So you're saying blacks aren't capable doing a very basic task task that everyone else seems to be able to pull off in order to prevent voter fraud? You need to look elsewhere for the racist. Seems to me having the same rules and rights for every individual, no mater what "group" they belong to is the first step to a color/gay/ gender blind society.CollegeDoog said:
Voter ID laws are racist because of who it targets. What population is less likely to be able to produce valid IDs? Minorities and the poor. Creating an extra hurdle to vote beyond being an American citizen is, well, un-American.MikeDamone said:
If it's not color blind, it isn't true capitalism. I have never encountered any racial issues what so ever. I had black bosses, subordinates, clients, and peers. Never been an issue. I know that might be hard for you and your professor to believe. I think my experience is more the rule than the exception.CollegeDoog said:
How come voter ID was never a problem until recently, when minorities started voting heavily for one party? How come voter ID laws are being pushed by Republicans? Voting is intrinsically different than buying alcohol or cashing a check, it's a fucking civil liberty that blacks had to fight hundreds of years for. And now it's ok to take measures that infringe on that? I can't believe you even wrote that.MikeDamone said:TL,DR
STFU Already.
And I did read a little. Expecting people to show ID before voting is racist? WTF? I say telling a whole group of people they just aren't capable of getting a god damn picture ID is racist. Is showing an ID to buy alcohol in a black neighborhood racist? Or showing an ID to cash a check. Or fucking drive?
Most of your opinions are just that, opinions but into your head by professors who make a living off this shit. Neither of you have real world experience.
Yes, some people are racists. 98% of blacks voting for Obama seems racial based, don't you think? But to say a white society is keeping the black man down in order to feel vindicated is a lie. I've been working 40 years with professionals of all races. Never once have a saw anything that would remotely be considered racist. True capitalism is probably the least racist system you can conceive.
Individuals are the smallest minority. Think about it.
Only a small minded person thinks someone is a product of what their professors tell them. Watching the news media shit all over itself trying to fan the racial flames this summer isn't something a professor told me. In fact, my favorite professor is Murray Dry who is a strict constitutionalist that doesn't believe in affirmative action, compiled the "anti-federalist" papers by Brutus, but he's one of the smartest people I've ever encountered. So don't paint me as a sheep spewing the liberal gospel. Most of my views on race were developed at a high school with 50% minorities and 40% of the students on financial aid. Real world experience isn't restricted to how you define it.
True capitalism is the least racist system only in a color blind society. We are not color blind. The constitution is not color blind. I find it hard to believe that you've never encountered anything racist over your career. You're either lying or willfully ignorant. Even the most successful African Americans have anecdotes of facing racism. You seem to be operating in a bubble.
Voter ID has always been a problem, but it becomes a crisis when people start showing up by the bus load. Explain to me again how asking everyone to show an ID before they do vote is racist? Unless you are saying black people aren't capable of procuring IDs...then who is the racist?
I will paint you as a sheep spewing statist gospel (notice I didn't liberal) as long as you continue to do so. You should learn from Dry then and oppose the tryany of the state on the individual rather suggest an entire group of people isn't capable of improving their situation by taking advantage opportunists that are afforded them. Any other position is racist in nature and perpetuates the problem.
HTH
Again, we don't live in a color blind society. Individuals are confronted with racial discrimination daily. What's racist in nature is expecting people to be satisfied with the opportunity presented them, even if the equality of opportunity is varied for certain races.
Of course, no one believes in equality of outcome, but a true capitalist society enjoys equality of opportunity, no?
Agree on part two. Having equal rights in place is a necessary step. The bad thing is they are still being enforced unequally.
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You hit the problem on the head: the rules. By changing the requirements to vote beyond being an American citizen, the rules are unfair. It is proven that black people are less likely to hold a formal ID than whites. Requiring everyone to have an ID knowingly oppresses the black vote. It's not racist to make that observation.MikeDamone said:
If they can get an ID, then do it...if voting is important to someone, then follow the rules that everyone else follows rather than bitch about it. Are you saying only black people are required to have an ID and busloads of Asians are allowed to vote by simply promising they are who they say?CollegeDoog said:
The problem isn't that they can't get Voter ID. They can. Some still won't. The problem is adding an extra hurdle that knowingly oppresses the vote.MikeDamone said:
So you're saying blacks aren't capable doing a very basic task task that everyone else seems to be able to pull off in order to prevent voter fraud? You need to look elsewhere for the racist. Seems to me having the same rules and rights for every individual, no mater what "group" they belong to is the first step to a color/gay/ gender blind society.CollegeDoog said:
Voter ID laws are racist because of who it targets. What population is less likely to be able to produce valid IDs? Minorities and the poor. Creating an extra hurdle to vote beyond being an American citizen is, well, un-American.MikeDamone said:
If it's not color blind, it isn't true capitalism. I have never encountered any racial issues what so ever. I had black bosses, subordinates, clients, and peers. Never been an issue. I know that might be hard for you and your professor to believe. I think my experience is more the rule than the exception.CollegeDoog said:
How come voter ID was never a problem until recently, when minorities started voting heavily for one party? How come voter ID laws are being pushed by Republicans? Voting is intrinsically different than buying alcohol or cashing a check, it's a fucking civil liberty that blacks had to fight hundreds of years for. And now it's ok to take measures that infringe on that? I can't believe you even wrote that.MikeDamone said:TL,DR
STFU Already.
And I did read a little. Expecting people to show ID before voting is racist? WTF? I say telling a whole group of people they just aren't capable of getting a god damn picture ID is racist. Is showing an ID to buy alcohol in a black neighborhood racist? Or showing an ID to cash a check. Or fucking drive?
Most of your opinions are just that, opinions but into your head by professors who make a living off this shit. Neither of you have real world experience.
Yes, some people are racists. 98% of blacks voting for Obama seems racial based, don't you think? But to say a white society is keeping the black man down in order to feel vindicated is a lie. I've been working 40 years with professionals of all races. Never once have a saw anything that would remotely be considered racist. True capitalism is probably the least racist system you can conceive.
Individuals are the smallest minority. Think about it.
Only a small minded person thinks someone is a product of what their professors tell them. Watching the news media shit all over itself trying to fan the racial flames this summer isn't something a professor told me. In fact, my favorite professor is Murray Dry who is a strict constitutionalist that doesn't believe in affirmative action, compiled the "anti-federalist" papers by Brutus, but he's one of the smartest people I've ever encountered. So don't paint me as a sheep spewing the liberal gospel. Most of my views on race were developed at a high school with 50% minorities and 40% of the students on financial aid. Real world experience isn't restricted to how you define it.
True capitalism is the least racist system only in a color blind society. We are not color blind. The constitution is not color blind. I find it hard to believe that you've never encountered anything racist over your career. You're either lying or willfully ignorant. Even the most successful African Americans have anecdotes of facing racism. You seem to be operating in a bubble.
Voter ID has always been a problem, but it becomes a crisis when people start showing up by the bus load. Explain to me again how asking everyone to show an ID before they do vote is racist? Unless you are saying black people aren't capable of procuring IDs...then who is the racist?
I will paint you as a sheep spewing statist gospel (notice I didn't liberal) as long as you continue to do so. You should learn from Dry then and oppose the tryany of the state on the individual rather suggest an entire group of people isn't capable of improving their situation by taking advantage opportunists that are afforded them. Any other position is racist in nature and perpetuates the problem.
HTH
Again, we don't live in a color blind society. Individuals are confronted with racial discrimination daily. What's racist in nature is expecting people to be satisfied with the opportunity presented them, even if the equality of opportunity is varied for certain races.
Of course, no one believes in equality of outcome, but a true capitalist society enjoys equality of opportunity, no?
Agree on part two. Having equal rights in place is a necessary step. The bad thing is they are still being enforced unequally.
Are the rules that state that any American citizen over 18 is an eligible voter unfair? Is that not MORE equal than requiring an ID?
Tell me why they should have to take another step to be able to vote? And election fraud is a bullshit reason.
The whole voter ID movement is calculated. It's the new gerrymandering. -
If you are talking about the video all they are doing is providing a shitload of evidence that was completely "missed" by most of the media outlets. Zimmerman shouldn't have followed Trayvon from the get go because he saw a black teenage wearing a hoodie yes. That takes away from the other side of the story though? Where Trayvon was also blatantly racist, attacked Zimmerman first, and said stuff like "You are going to die tonight" while being completely high on lean?CollegeDoog said:
Ok, fine. But they are justifying the racial profiling. That is undeniable.CuntWaffle said:No one is saying he deserved it here, NO ONE. Keep fabricating false words and issues though. You will step into the real world soon enough.
And why do you make getting an ID seem like it is equivalent to getting into graduate school at Harvard?
So just like how some people like to point the finger at people who racially profile someone like Trayvon and apply it to the majority of the black teenage population, it is ok for them to take Zimmermand and and do the exact same thing with certain segments of white people?
Racism exists and it always will (it also works both ways btw) and we should try to minimize as much as possible. However, stating something like getting an ID to vote being an example of trying to supress the black population from voting is beyond reaching. Everyone should have some form of ID on them no matter what. It isn't hard to go out and do it either, it isn't this overly complicated
task with extensive hurdles someone has to go through to get.By changing the requirements to vote beyond being an American citizen, the rules are unfair. It is proven that black people are less likely to hold a formal ID than whites. Requiring everyone to have an ID knowingly oppresses the black vote. It's not racist to make that observation.
Why can't they go out and get an ID you haven't answered that question? You need a valid ID to do a lot more than just vote, in fact you can't do very much at all without one.
If you are SERIOUS about voting the very least you could do is go get yourself some identification. -
Why can't they go out and get an ID you haven't answered that question? You need a valid ID to do a lot more than just vote, in fact you can't do very much at all without one.CuntWaffle said:
If you are talking about the video all they are doing is providing a shitload of evidence that was completely "missed" by most of the media outlets. Zimmerman shouldn't have followed Trayvon from the get go because he saw a black teenage wearing a hoodie yes. That takes away from the other side of the story though? Where Trayvon was also blatantly racist, attacked Zimmerman first, and said stuff like "You are going to die tonight" while being completely high on lean?CollegeDoog said:
Ok, fine. But they are justifying the racial profiling. That is undeniable.CuntWaffle said:No one is saying he deserved it here, NO ONE. Keep fabricating false words and issues though. You will step into the real world soon enough.
And why do you make getting an ID seem like it is equivalent to getting into graduate school at Harvard?
So just like how some people like to point the finger at people who racially profile someone like Trayvon and apply it to the majority of the black teenage population, it is ok for them to take Zimmermand and and do the exact same thing with certain segments of white people?
Racism exists and it always will (it also works both ways btw) and we should try to minimize as much as possible. However, stating something like getting an ID to vote being an example of trying to supress the black population from voting is beyond reaching. Everyone should have some form of ID on them no matter what. It isn't hard to go out and do it either, it isn't this overly complicated
task with extensive hurdles someone has to go through to get.By changing the requirements to vote beyond being an American citizen, the rules are unfair. It is proven that black people are less likely to hold a formal ID than whites. Requiring everyone to have an ID knowingly oppresses the black vote. It's not racist to make that observation.
If you are SERIOUS about voting the very least you could do is go get yourself some identification.
But the problem is white people continued to justify profiling instead of condemning Zimmerman for his actions. Again, not all white people, but a significant portion of the media and even people here. All the "common sense" articles that popped up were overtly racist garbage and unfortunately reflective of a popular attitude towards the situation.
On the voter ID laws, I've said all there is to say. I don't think getting ID is a necessary step to vote when not having it as a requirement has been working for centuries. It's trying to find a solution to problem that doesn't exist for cynical reasons.
This Atlantic article spells it out pretty well:
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/03/how-voter-id-laws-are-being-used-to-disenfranchise-minorities-and-the-poor/254572/ -
For fuck sake. Why even have a registration process? Let's just have a god damn free for all on Election Day. Why do you feel you shouldn't have to prove who you say you are in order to vote. You seem to think pretty lowly of black individuals who you suggest don't have their shit together enough to get an ID like every other individual of every other racial group.CollegeDoog said:
You hit the problem on the head: the rules. By changing the requirements to vote beyond being an American citizen, the rules are unfair. It is proven that black people are less likely to hold a formal ID than whites. Requiring everyone to have an ID knowingly oppresses the black vote. It's not racist to make that observation.MikeDamone said:
If they can get an ID, then do it...if voting is important to someone, then follow the rules that everyone else follows rather than bitch about it. Are you saying only black people are required to have an ID and busloads of Asians are allowed to vote by simply promising they are who they say?CollegeDoog said:
The problem isn't that they can't get Voter ID. They can. Some still won't. The problem is adding an extra hurdle that knowingly oppresses the vote.MikeDamone said:
So you're saying blacks aren't capable doing a very basic task task that everyone else seems to be able to pull off in order to prevent voter fraud? You need to look elsewhere for the racist. Seems to me having the same rules and rights for every individual, no mater what "group" they belong to is the first step to a color/gay/ gender blind society.CollegeDoog said:
Voter ID laws are racist because of who it targets. What population is less likely to be able to produce valid IDs? Minorities and the poor. Creating an extra hurdle to vote beyond being an American citizen is, well, un-American.MikeDamone said:
If it's not color blind, it isn't true capitalism. I have never encountered any racial issues what so ever. I had black bosses, subordinates, clients, and peers. Never been an issue. I know that might be hard for you and your professor to believe. I think my experience is more the rule than the exception.CollegeDoog said:
How come voter ID was never a problem until recently, when minorities started voting heavily for one party? How come voter ID laws are being pushed by Republicans? Voting is intrinsically different than buying alcohol or cashing a check, it's a fucking civil liberty that blacks had to fight hundreds of years for. And now it's ok to take measures that infringe on that? I can't believe you even wrote that.MikeDamone said:TL,DR
STFU Already.
And I did read a little. Expecting people to show ID before voting is racist? WTF? I say telling a whole group of people they just aren't capable of getting a god damn picture ID is racist. Is showing an ID to buy alcohol in a black neighborhood racist? Or showing an ID to cash a check. Or fucking drive?
Most of your opinions are just that, opinions but into your head by professors who make a living off this shit. Neither of you have real world experience.
Yes, some people are racists. 98% of blacks voting for Obama seems racial based, don't you think? But to say a white society is keeping the black man down in order to feel vindicated is a lie. I've been working 40 years with professionals of all races. Never once have a saw anything that would remotely be considered racist. True capitalism is probably the least racist system you can conceive.
Individuals are the smallest minority. Think about it.
Only a small minded person thinks someone is a product of what their professors tell them. Watching the news media shit all over itself trying to fan the racial flames this summer isn't something a professor told me. In fact, my favorite professor is Murray Dry who is a strict constitutionalist that doesn't believe in affirmative action, compiled the "anti-federalist" papers by Brutus, but he's one of the smartest people I've ever encountered. So don't paint me as a sheep spewing the liberal gospel. Most of my views on race were developed at a high school with 50% minorities and 40% of the students on financial aid. Real world experience isn't restricted to how you define it.
True capitalism is the least racist system only in a color blind society. We are not color blind. The constitution is not color blind. I find it hard to believe that you've never encountered anything racist over your career. You're either lying or willfully ignorant. Even the most successful African Americans have anecdotes of facing racism. You seem to be operating in a bubble.
Voter ID has always been a problem, but it becomes a crisis when people start showing up by the bus load. Explain to me again how asking everyone to show an ID before they do vote is racist? Unless you are saying black people aren't capable of procuring IDs...then who is the racist?
I will paint you as a sheep spewing statist gospel (notice I didn't liberal) as long as you continue to do so. You should learn from Dry then and oppose the tryany of the state on the individual rather suggest an entire group of people isn't capable of improving their situation by taking advantage opportunists that are afforded them. Any other position is racist in nature and perpetuates the problem.
HTH
Again, we don't live in a color blind society. Individuals are confronted with racial discrimination daily. What's racist in nature is expecting people to be satisfied with the opportunity presented them, even if the equality of opportunity is varied for certain races.
Of course, no one believes in equality of outcome, but a true capitalist society enjoys equality of opportunity, no?
Agree on part two. Having equal rights in place is a necessary step. The bad thing is they are still being enforced unequally.
Are the rules that state that any American citizen over 18 is an eligible voter unfair? Is that not MORE equal than requiring an ID?
Tell me why they should have to take another step to be able to vote? And election fraud is a bullshit reason.
The whole voter ID movement is calculated. It's the new gerrymandering.
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Why are you saying "they"? The rule isn't black people need to get ID in order to vote it is EVERYBODY needs to get ID to vote. THEY have to take the same step as EVERYONE does in order to vote.CollegeDoog said:
Tell me why they should have to take another step to be able to vote? And election fraud is a bullshit reason.MikeDamone said:
If they can get an ID, then do it...if voting is important to someone, then follow the rules that everyone else follows rather than bitch about it. Are you saying only black people are required to have an ID and busloads of Asians are allowed to vote by simply promising they are who they say?CollegeDoog said:
The problem isn't that they can't get Voter ID. They can. Some still won't. The problem is adding an extra hurdle that knowingly oppresses the vote.MikeDamone said:
So you're saying blacks aren't capable doing a very basic task task that everyone else seems to be able to pull off in order to prevent voter fraud? You need to look elsewhere for the racist. Seems to me having the same rules and rights for every individual, no mater what "group" they belong to is the first step to a color/gay/ gender blind society.CollegeDoog said:
Voter ID laws are racist because of who it targets. What population is less likely to be able to produce valid IDs? Minorities and the poor. Creating an extra hurdle to vote beyond being an American citizen is, well, un-American.MikeDamone said:
If it's not color blind, it isn't true capitalism. I have never encountered any racial issues what so ever. I had black bosses, subordinates, clients, and peers. Never been an issue. I know that might be hard for you and your professor to believe. I think my experience is more the rule than the exception.CollegeDoog said:
How come voter ID was never a problem until recently, when minorities started voting heavily for one party? How come voter ID laws are being pushed by Republicans? Voting is intrinsically different than buying alcohol or cashing a check, it's a fucking civil liberty that blacks had to fight hundreds of years for. And now it's ok to take measures that infringe on that? I can't believe you even wrote that.MikeDamone said:TL,DR
STFU Already.
And I did read a little. Expecting people to show ID before voting is racist? WTF? I say telling a whole group of people they just aren't capable of getting a god damn picture ID is racist. Is showing an ID to buy alcohol in a black neighborhood racist? Or showing an ID to cash a check. Or fucking drive?
Most of your opinions are just that, opinions but into your head by professors who make a living off this shit. Neither of you have real world experience.
Yes, some people are racists. 98% of blacks voting for Obama seems racial based, don't you think? But to say a white society is keeping the black man down in order to feel vindicated is a lie. I've been working 40 years with professionals of all races. Never once have a saw anything that would remotely be considered racist. True capitalism is probably the least racist system you can conceive.
Individuals are the smallest minority. Think about it.
Only a small minded person thinks someone is a product of what their professors tell them. Watching the news media shit all over itself trying to fan the racial flames this summer isn't something a professor told me. In fact, my favorite professor is Murray Dry who is a strict constitutionalist that doesn't believe in affirmative action, compiled the "anti-federalist" papers by Brutus, but he's one of the smartest people I've ever encountered. So don't paint me as a sheep spewing the liberal gospel. Most of my views on race were developed at a high school with 50% minorities and 40% of the students on financial aid. Real world experience isn't restricted to how you define it.
True capitalism is the least racist system only in a color blind society. We are not color blind. The constitution is not color blind. I find it hard to believe that you've never encountered anything racist over your career. You're either lying or willfully ignorant. Even the most successful African Americans have anecdotes of facing racism. You seem to be operating in a bubble.
Voter ID has always been a problem, but it becomes a crisis when people start showing up by the bus load. Explain to me again how asking everyone to show an ID before they do vote is racist? Unless you are saying black people aren't capable of procuring IDs...then who is the racist?
I will paint you as a sheep spewing statist gospel (notice I didn't liberal) as long as you continue to do so. You should learn from Dry then and oppose the tryany of the state on the individual rather suggest an entire group of people isn't capable of improving their situation by taking advantage opportunists that are afforded them. Any other position is racist in nature and perpetuates the problem.
HTH
Again, we don't live in a color blind society. Individuals are confronted with racial discrimination daily. What's racist in nature is expecting people to be satisfied with the opportunity presented them, even if the equality of opportunity is varied for certain races.
Of course, no one believes in equality of outcome, but a true capitalist society enjoys equality of opportunity, no?
Agree on part two. Having equal rights in place is a necessary step. The bad thing is they are still being enforced unequally. -
The registration process works just fine. It's not endorsing a free for all to not want IDs as a requirement. The current process isn't a fucking free for all.MikeDamone said:
For fuck sake. Why even have a registration process? Let's just have a god damn free for all on Election Day. Why do you feel you shouldn't have to prove who you say you are in order to vote. You seem to think pretty lowly of black individuals who you suggest don't have their shit together enough to get an ID like every other individual of every other racial group.CollegeDoog said:
You hit the problem on the head: the rules. By changing the requirements to vote beyond being an American citizen, the rules are unfair. It is proven that black people are less likely to hold a formal ID than whites. Requiring everyone to have an ID knowingly oppresses the black vote. It's not racist to make that observation.MikeDamone said:
If they can get an ID, then do it...if voting is important to someone, then follow the rules that everyone else follows rather than bitch about it. Are you saying only black people are required to have an ID and busloads of Asians are allowed to vote by simply promising they are who they say?CollegeDoog said:
The problem isn't that they can't get Voter ID. They can. Some still won't. The problem is adding an extra hurdle that knowingly oppresses the vote.MikeDamone said:
So you're saying blacks aren't capable doing a very basic task task that everyone else seems to be able to pull off in order to prevent voter fraud? You need to look elsewhere for the racist. Seems to me having the same rules and rights for every individual, no mater what "group" they belong to is the first step to a color/gay/ gender blind society.CollegeDoog said:
Voter ID laws are racist because of who it targets. What population is less likely to be able to produce valid IDs? Minorities and the poor. Creating an extra hurdle to vote beyond being an American citizen is, well, un-American.MikeDamone said:
If it's not color blind, it isn't true capitalism. I have never encountered any racial issues what so ever. I had black bosses, subordinates, clients, and peers. Never been an issue. I know that might be hard for you and your professor to believe. I think my experience is more the rule than the exception.CollegeDoog said:
How come voter ID was never a problem until recently, when minorities started voting heavily for one party? How come voter ID laws are being pushed by Republicans? Voting is intrinsically different than buying alcohol or cashing a check, it's a fucking civil liberty that blacks had to fight hundreds of years for. And now it's ok to take measures that infringe on that? I can't believe you even wrote that.MikeDamone said:TL,DR
STFU Already.
And I did read a little. Expecting people to show ID before voting is racist? WTF? I say telling a whole group of people they just aren't capable of getting a god damn picture ID is racist. Is showing an ID to buy alcohol in a black neighborhood racist? Or showing an ID to cash a check. Or fucking drive?
Most of your opinions are just that, opinions but into your head by professors who make a living off this shit. Neither of you have real world experience.
Yes, some people are racists. 98% of blacks voting for Obama seems racial based, don't you think? But to say a white society is keeping the black man down in order to feel vindicated is a lie. I've been working 40 years with professionals of all races. Never once have a saw anything that would remotely be considered racist. True capitalism is probably the least racist system you can conceive.
Individuals are the smallest minority. Think about it.
Only a small minded person thinks someone is a product of what their professors tell them. Watching the news media shit all over itself trying to fan the racial flames this summer isn't something a professor told me. In fact, my favorite professor is Murray Dry who is a strict constitutionalist that doesn't believe in affirmative action, compiled the "anti-federalist" papers by Brutus, but he's one of the smartest people I've ever encountered. So don't paint me as a sheep spewing the liberal gospel. Most of my views on race were developed at a high school with 50% minorities and 40% of the students on financial aid. Real world experience isn't restricted to how you define it.
True capitalism is the least racist system only in a color blind society. We are not color blind. The constitution is not color blind. I find it hard to believe that you've never encountered anything racist over your career. You're either lying or willfully ignorant. Even the most successful African Americans have anecdotes of facing racism. You seem to be operating in a bubble.
Voter ID has always been a problem, but it becomes a crisis when people start showing up by the bus load. Explain to me again how asking everyone to show an ID before they do vote is racist? Unless you are saying black people aren't capable of procuring IDs...then who is the racist?
I will paint you as a sheep spewing statist gospel (notice I didn't liberal) as long as you continue to do so. You should learn from Dry then and oppose the tryany of the state on the individual rather suggest an entire group of people isn't capable of improving their situation by taking advantage opportunists that are afforded them. Any other position is racist in nature and perpetuates the problem.
HTH
Again, we don't live in a color blind society. Individuals are confronted with racial discrimination daily. What's racist in nature is expecting people to be satisfied with the opportunity presented them, even if the equality of opportunity is varied for certain races.
Of course, no one believes in equality of outcome, but a true capitalist society enjoys equality of opportunity, no?
Agree on part two. Having equal rights in place is a necessary step. The bad thing is they are still being enforced unequally.
Are the rules that state that any American citizen over 18 is an eligible voter unfair? Is that not MORE equal than requiring an ID?
Tell me why they should have to take another step to be able to vote? And election fraud is a bullshit reason.
The whole voter ID movement is calculated. It's the new gerrymandering.
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I always thought the voter ID thing was for illegal aliens, not blacks.
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But the problem is white people continued to justify profiling instead of condemning Zimmerman for his actions. Again, not all white people, but a significant portion of the media and even people here. All the "common sense" articles that popped up were overtly racist garbage and unfortunately reflective of a popular attitude towards the situation.CollegeDoog said:
Why can't they go out and get an ID you haven't answered that question? You need a valid ID to do a lot more than just vote, in fact you can't do very much at all without one.CuntWaffle said:
If you are talking about the video all they are doing is providing a shitload of evidence that was completely "missed" by most of the media outlets. Zimmerman shouldn't have followed Trayvon from the get go because he saw a black teenage wearing a hoodie yes. That takes away from the other side of the story though? Where Trayvon was also blatantly racist, attacked Zimmerman first, and said stuff like "You are going to die tonight" while being completely high on lean?CollegeDoog said:
Ok, fine. But they are justifying the racial profiling. That is undeniable.CuntWaffle said:No one is saying he deserved it here, NO ONE. Keep fabricating false words and issues though. You will step into the real world soon enough.
And why do you make getting an ID seem like it is equivalent to getting into graduate school at Harvard?
So just like how some people like to point the finger at people who racially profile someone like Trayvon and apply it to the majority of the black teenage population, it is ok for them to take Zimmermand and and do the exact same thing with certain segments of white people?
Racism exists and it always will (it also works both ways btw) and we should try to minimize as much as possible. However, stating something like getting an ID to vote being an example of trying to supress the black population from voting is beyond reaching. Everyone should have some form of ID on them no matter what. It isn't hard to go out and do it either, it isn't this overly complicated
task with extensive hurdles someone has to go through to get.By changing the requirements to vote beyond being an American citizen, the rules are unfair. It is proven that black people are less likely to hold a formal ID than whites. Requiring everyone to have an ID knowingly oppresses the black vote. It's not racist to make that observation.
If you are SERIOUS about voting the very least you could do is go get yourself some identification.
On the voter ID laws, I've said all there is to say. I don't think getting ID is a necessary step to vote when not having it as a requirement has been working for centuries. It's trying to find a solution to problem that doesn't exist for cynical reasons.
This Atlantic article spells it out pretty well:
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/03/how-voter-id-laws-are-being-used-to-disenfranchise-minorities-and-the-poor/254572/
This is fabricating again, I don't know very many people if any at all who didn't criticize Zimmerman in some form. For the most part, I think everyone (including this thread) agrees it was wrong of what Zimmerman did by following Trayvon on the premises that he just looked suspicious. However, when people don't ball their eyes out for Trayvon over the incident this gets turned into people either "supporting" or "not criticizing" Zimmerman. Both parties were at fault and this should NOT be swept under the rug.
You are coming off as someone who doesn't think black people are smart enough to be able to go out and get an ID. It isn't racist but it is pretty insulting to them.
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