The Race Thread
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He attacked Zimmerman but don't let that stop youCollegeDoog said:The fact that he was being followed because he was a black teenager wearing a hoodie and looked suspicious is the real story, not that he referred to Zimmerman as a "crazy-ass cracker". The narrative shouldn't be shifted.
Trademark was suspicious
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I'm sorry you want me to shut up because I don't present the narrative you like.RaceBannon said:How come Obama's sons wouldn't look like all the black kids who get shot by black kids daily? Why did he jump on this case? Why did Zimmerman go from white to white hispanic?
Obama deserved to get ripped. The prosecutor didn't file charges because there was no case as was proven after Obama tried to lynch the dude and they were forced to do a show trial
If you are out in the dark and a back kids starts bashing your head then you can tell me about racial profiling.
For fucks sake - just put a fucking cork in it
It doesn't matter that he was white or white hispanic. The issue is Martin was profiled as a black teenager up to no good.
He made a mistake by attacking Zimmerman, but the whole situation was incited by the man who racially profiled him. -
Ok so it's different? So in other words "yea but still"?
I don't disagree that Zimmerman shouldn't have been following him, the whole situation is a mess, but there is a shitload of stuff that the media left out when it came to this. Trayvon wasn't this innocent golden child that the media portrayed him out to be.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXWlquZ-e_E
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Voter ID laws are racist because of who it targets. What population is less likely to be able to produce valid IDs? Minorities and the poor. Creating an extra hurdle to vote beyond being an American citizen is, well, un-American.MikeDamone said:
If it's not color blind, it isn't true capitalism. I have never encountered any racial issues what so ever. I had black bosses, subordinates, clients, and peers. Never been an issue. I know that might be hard for you and your professor to believe. I think my experience is more the rule than the exception.CollegeDoog said:
How come voter ID was never a problem until recently, when minorities started voting heavily for one party? How come voter ID laws are being pushed by Republicans? Voting is intrinsically different than buying alcohol or cashing a check, it's a fucking civil liberty that blacks had to fight hundreds of years for. And now it's ok to take measures that infringe on that? I can't believe you even wrote that.MikeDamone said:TL,DR
STFU Already.
And I did read a little. Expecting people to show ID before voting is racist? WTF? I say telling a whole group of people they just aren't capable of getting a god damn picture ID is racist. Is showing an ID to buy alcohol in a black neighborhood racist? Or showing an ID to cash a check. Or fucking drive?
Most of your opinions are just that, opinions but into your head by professors who make a living off this shit. Neither of you have real world experience.
Yes, some people are racists. 98% of blacks voting for Obama seems racial based, don't you think? But to say a white society is keeping the black man down in order to feel vindicated is a lie. I've been working 40 years with professionals of all races. Never once have a saw anything that would remotely be considered racist. True capitalism is probably the least racist system you can conceive.
Individuals are the smallest minority. Think about it.
Only a small minded person thinks someone is a product of what their professors tell them. Watching the news media shit all over itself trying to fan the racial flames this summer isn't something a professor told me. In fact, my favorite professor is Murray Dry who is a strict constitutionalist that doesn't believe in affirmative action, compiled the "anti-federalist" papers by Brutus, but he's one of the smartest people I've ever encountered. So don't paint me as a sheep spewing the liberal gospel. Most of my views on race were developed at a high school with 50% minorities and 40% of the students on financial aid. Real world experience isn't restricted to how you define it.
True capitalism is the least racist system only in a color blind society. We are not color blind. The constitution is not color blind. I find it hard to believe that you've never encountered anything racist over your career. You're either lying or willfully ignorant. Even the most successful African Americans have anecdotes of facing racism. You seem to be operating in a bubble.
Voter ID has always been a problem, but it becomes a crisis when people start showing up by the bus load. Explain to me again how asking everyone to show an ID before they do vote is racist? Unless you are saying black people aren't capable of procuring IDs...then who is the racist?
I will paint you as a sheep spewing statist gospel (notice I didn't liberal) as long as you continue to do so. You should learn from Dry then and oppose the tryany of the state on the individual rather suggest an entire group of people isn't capable of improving their situation by taking advantage opportunists that are afforded them. Any other position is racist in nature and perpetuates the problem.
HTH
Again, we don't live in a color blind society. Individuals are confronted with racial discrimination daily. What's racist in nature is expecting people to be satisfied with the opportunity presented them, even if the equality of opportunity is varied for certain races.
Of course, no one believes in equality of outcome, but a true capitalist society enjoys equality of opportunity, no? -
You're contributing to the problem. It doesn't matter that he wasn't a golden child. No one is a fucking golden child. Taking pictures flipping of a camera or smoking weed shouldn't make one a target for racial profiling.CuntWaffle said:Ok so it's different? So in other words "yea but still"?
I don't disagree that Zimmerman shouldn't have been following him, the whole situation is a mess, but there is a shitload of stuff that the media left out when it came to this. Trayvon wasn't this innocent golden child that the media portrayed him out to be.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXWlquZ-e_E
*Insert "your source is X, LOL" here*
The narrative that he wasn't a golden child is just a way for people to justify his death, that somehow because he was a "thug" he deserved it. It's deplorable. -
Maybe the police acted stupidly?RaceBannon said:How come Obama's sons wouldn't look like all the black kids who get shot by black kids daily? Why did he jump on this case? Why did Zimmerman go from white to white hispanic?
Obama deserved to get ripped. The prosecutor didn't file charges because there was no case as was proven after Obama tried to lynch the dude and they were forced to do a show trial
If you are out in the dark and a back kids starts bashing your head then you can tell me about racial profiling.
For fucks sake - just put a fucking cork in it -
So you're saying blacks aren't capable doing a very basic task task that everyone else seems to be able to pull off in order to prevent voter fraud? You need to look elsewhere for the racist. Seems to me having the same rules and rights for every individual, no mater what "group" they belong to is the first step to a color/gay/ gender blind society.CollegeDoog said:
Voter ID laws are racist because of who it targets. What population is less likely to be able to produce valid IDs? Minorities and the poor. Creating an extra hurdle to vote beyond being an American citizen is, well, un-American.MikeDamone said:
If it's not color blind, it isn't true capitalism. I have never encountered any racial issues what so ever. I had black bosses, subordinates, clients, and peers. Never been an issue. I know that might be hard for you and your professor to believe. I think my experience is more the rule than the exception.CollegeDoog said:
How come voter ID was never a problem until recently, when minorities started voting heavily for one party? How come voter ID laws are being pushed by Republicans? Voting is intrinsically different than buying alcohol or cashing a check, it's a fucking civil liberty that blacks had to fight hundreds of years for. And now it's ok to take measures that infringe on that? I can't believe you even wrote that.MikeDamone said:TL,DR
STFU Already.
And I did read a little. Expecting people to show ID before voting is racist? WTF? I say telling a whole group of people they just aren't capable of getting a god damn picture ID is racist. Is showing an ID to buy alcohol in a black neighborhood racist? Or showing an ID to cash a check. Or fucking drive?
Most of your opinions are just that, opinions but into your head by professors who make a living off this shit. Neither of you have real world experience.
Yes, some people are racists. 98% of blacks voting for Obama seems racial based, don't you think? But to say a white society is keeping the black man down in order to feel vindicated is a lie. I've been working 40 years with professionals of all races. Never once have a saw anything that would remotely be considered racist. True capitalism is probably the least racist system you can conceive.
Individuals are the smallest minority. Think about it.
Only a small minded person thinks someone is a product of what their professors tell them. Watching the news media shit all over itself trying to fan the racial flames this summer isn't something a professor told me. In fact, my favorite professor is Murray Dry who is a strict constitutionalist that doesn't believe in affirmative action, compiled the "anti-federalist" papers by Brutus, but he's one of the smartest people I've ever encountered. So don't paint me as a sheep spewing the liberal gospel. Most of my views on race were developed at a high school with 50% minorities and 40% of the students on financial aid. Real world experience isn't restricted to how you define it.
True capitalism is the least racist system only in a color blind society. We are not color blind. The constitution is not color blind. I find it hard to believe that you've never encountered anything racist over your career. You're either lying or willfully ignorant. Even the most successful African Americans have anecdotes of facing racism. You seem to be operating in a bubble.
Voter ID has always been a problem, but it becomes a crisis when people start showing up by the bus load. Explain to me again how asking everyone to show an ID before they do vote is racist? Unless you are saying black people aren't capable of procuring IDs...then who is the racist?
I will paint you as a sheep spewing statist gospel (notice I didn't liberal) as long as you continue to do so. You should learn from Dry then and oppose the tryany of the state on the individual rather suggest an entire group of people isn't capable of improving their situation by taking advantage opportunists that are afforded them. Any other position is racist in nature and perpetuates the problem.
HTH
Again, we don't live in a color blind society. Individuals are confronted with racial discrimination daily. What's racist in nature is expecting people to be satisfied with the opportunity presented them, even if the equality of opportunity is varied for certain races.
Of course, no one believes in equality of outcome, but a true capitalist society enjoys equality of opportunity, no? -
It's amazing what some people think they are and what they actually are. True colors.
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No one is saying he deserved it here, NO ONE. Keep fabricating false words and issues though. You will step into the real world soon enough.
And why do you make getting an ID seem like it is equivalent to getting into graduate school at Harvard? -
The problem isn't that they can't get Voter ID. They can. Some still won't. The problem is adding an extra hurdle that knowingly oppresses the vote.MikeDamone said:
So you're saying blacks aren't capable doing a very basic task task that everyone else seems to be able to pull off in order to prevent voter fraud? You need to look elsewhere for the racist. Seems to me having the same rules and rights for every individual, no mater what "group" they belong to is the first step to a color/gay/ gender blind society.CollegeDoog said:
Voter ID laws are racist because of who it targets. What population is less likely to be able to produce valid IDs? Minorities and the poor. Creating an extra hurdle to vote beyond being an American citizen is, well, un-American.MikeDamone said:
If it's not color blind, it isn't true capitalism. I have never encountered any racial issues what so ever. I had black bosses, subordinates, clients, and peers. Never been an issue. I know that might be hard for you and your professor to believe. I think my experience is more the rule than the exception.CollegeDoog said:
How come voter ID was never a problem until recently, when minorities started voting heavily for one party? How come voter ID laws are being pushed by Republicans? Voting is intrinsically different than buying alcohol or cashing a check, it's a fucking civil liberty that blacks had to fight hundreds of years for. And now it's ok to take measures that infringe on that? I can't believe you even wrote that.MikeDamone said:TL,DR
STFU Already.
And I did read a little. Expecting people to show ID before voting is racist? WTF? I say telling a whole group of people they just aren't capable of getting a god damn picture ID is racist. Is showing an ID to buy alcohol in a black neighborhood racist? Or showing an ID to cash a check. Or fucking drive?
Most of your opinions are just that, opinions but into your head by professors who make a living off this shit. Neither of you have real world experience.
Yes, some people are racists. 98% of blacks voting for Obama seems racial based, don't you think? But to say a white society is keeping the black man down in order to feel vindicated is a lie. I've been working 40 years with professionals of all races. Never once have a saw anything that would remotely be considered racist. True capitalism is probably the least racist system you can conceive.
Individuals are the smallest minority. Think about it.
Only a small minded person thinks someone is a product of what their professors tell them. Watching the news media shit all over itself trying to fan the racial flames this summer isn't something a professor told me. In fact, my favorite professor is Murray Dry who is a strict constitutionalist that doesn't believe in affirmative action, compiled the "anti-federalist" papers by Brutus, but he's one of the smartest people I've ever encountered. So don't paint me as a sheep spewing the liberal gospel. Most of my views on race were developed at a high school with 50% minorities and 40% of the students on financial aid. Real world experience isn't restricted to how you define it.
True capitalism is the least racist system only in a color blind society. We are not color blind. The constitution is not color blind. I find it hard to believe that you've never encountered anything racist over your career. You're either lying or willfully ignorant. Even the most successful African Americans have anecdotes of facing racism. You seem to be operating in a bubble.
Voter ID has always been a problem, but it becomes a crisis when people start showing up by the bus load. Explain to me again how asking everyone to show an ID before they do vote is racist? Unless you are saying black people aren't capable of procuring IDs...then who is the racist?
I will paint you as a sheep spewing statist gospel (notice I didn't liberal) as long as you continue to do so. You should learn from Dry then and oppose the tryany of the state on the individual rather suggest an entire group of people isn't capable of improving their situation by taking advantage opportunists that are afforded them. Any other position is racist in nature and perpetuates the problem.
HTH
Again, we don't live in a color blind society. Individuals are confronted with racial discrimination daily. What's racist in nature is expecting people to be satisfied with the opportunity presented them, even if the equality of opportunity is varied for certain races.
Of course, no one believes in equality of outcome, but a true capitalist society enjoys equality of opportunity, no?
Agree on part two. Having equal rights in place is a necessary step. The bad thing is they are still being enforced unequally.
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