Aetna Ditching 70% Obamacare Business
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Fifth!OZONE said:
It is sad that you think money paid for health services is evil if it is paid via taxes instead of through insurance premiums, even if the total amount spent is lower by removing the insurance company profit.pawz said:
Is cute how nearly every part of your life is traxed yet you think more needs to be paid.doogsinparadise said:Obamacare is a shitty product, but acting like the Republicans have taken the high road on healthcare is so fucking laughable that I'm not even going to go into it. Look back to the Bush-era prescription drug handout for a little taste.
Pass single payer and raise the tax ceiling for fucks sake and join the rest of the civilized world. -
The 20 countries that have all done it, disagree with your blind faith in the invisible hand when it comes to health care services.Fenderbender123 said:
Imagine actually believing that the government can provide services more efficiently than the free market, because "pr0fit!!!111!!"...lol profit is the reason WHY it's more efficient.OZONE said:It is sad that you think money paid for health services is evil if it is paid via taxes instead of through insurance premiums, even if the total amount spent is lower by removing the insurance company profit.
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TurdBuffer said:
Not always the case with insurers, who eat up close to 70% of every dollar on overhead before paying claims. While I'm a free-market capitalist 'til the end, insurance companies are the closest things to government bureaucracies the private sector has. And many laws mandate that we buy their product. So, not the best example of private vs government provided product or service.Fenderbender123 said:
Imagine actually believing that the government can provide services more efficiently than the free market, because "pr0fit!!!111!!"...lol profit is the reason WHY it's more efficient.OZONE said:It is sad that you think money paid for health services is evil if it is paid via taxes instead of through insurance premiums, even if the total amount spent is lower by removing the insurance company profit.
Hmmmmm. I wonder what the problem might be? -
Just because they've all done it doesn't mean it wouldn't be more efficient if they hadn't.OZONE said:
The 20 countries that have all done it, disagree with your blind faith in the invisible hand when it comes to health care services.Fenderbender123 said:
Imagine actually believing that the government can provide services more efficiently than the free market, because "pr0fit!!!111!!"...lol profit is the reason WHY it's more efficient.OZONE said:It is sad that you think money paid for health services is evil if it is paid via taxes instead of through insurance premiums, even if the total amount spent is lower by removing the insurance company profit.
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They all rank above us in efficiency and coverage.Fenderbender123 said:
Just because they've all done it doesn't mean it wouldn't be more efficient if they hadn't.OZONE said:
The 20 countries that have all done it, disagree with your blind faith in the invisible hand when it comes to health care services.Fenderbender123 said:
Imagine actually believing that the government can provide services more efficiently than the free market, because "pr0fit!!!111!!"...lol profit is the reason WHY it's more efficient.OZONE said:It is sad that you think money paid for health services is evil if it is paid via taxes instead of through insurance premiums, even if the total amount spent is lower by removing the insurance company profit.
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So do Oregon's DBs.OZONE said:
They all rank above us in efficiency and coverage.Fenderbender123 said:
Just because they've all done it doesn't mean it wouldn't be more efficient if they hadn't.OZONE said:
The 20 countries that have all done it, disagree with your blind faith in the invisible hand when it comes to health care services.Fenderbender123 said:
Imagine actually believing that the government can provide services more efficiently than the free market, because "pr0fit!!!111!!"...lol profit is the reason WHY it's more efficient.OZONE said:It is sad that you think money paid for health services is evil if it is paid via taxes instead of through insurance premiums, even if the total amount spent is lower by removing the insurance company profit.
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Don't know what to do with this2001400ex said:
So do Oregon's DBs.OZONE said:
They all rank above us in efficiency and coverage.Fenderbender123 said:
Just because they've all done it doesn't mean it wouldn't be more efficient if they hadn't.OZONE said:
The 20 countries that have all done it, disagree with your blind faith in the invisible hand when it comes to health care services.Fenderbender123 said:
Imagine actually believing that the government can provide services more efficiently than the free market, because "pr0fit!!!111!!"...lol profit is the reason WHY it's more efficient.OZONE said:It is sad that you think money paid for health services is evil if it is paid via taxes instead of through insurance premiums, even if the total amount spent is lower by removing the insurance company profit.
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Pretty much every other advanced country is propped up by the US' willingness to spend out of our asses on defense to be able police the world and keep them free.Fire_Marshall_Bill said:
Pretty much every other advanced country has single payer or some kind of similar "evil" socialized medicinegreenblood said:This was the plan from the get go. The administration knew they couldn't get a single payer system passed, so they came up with a system that would be sure to fail. Once it fails, single payer will be the only option. Pretty sick if you ask me.
Just because it works somewhere else doesn't mean it works here without corresponding defense cuts that a) didn't happen and b) would eventually mean all those other countries can't afford single payer anymore either. -
He gets itdnc said:
Pretty much every other advanced country is propped up by the US' willingness to spend out of our asses on defense to be able police the world and keep them free.Fire_Marshall_Bill said:
Pretty much every other advanced country has single payer or some kind of similar "evil" socialized medicinegreenblood said:This was the plan from the get go. The administration knew they couldn't get a single payer system passed, so they came up with a system that would be sure to fail. Once it fails, single payer will be the only option. Pretty sick if you ask me.
Just because it works someone else doesn't mean it works here without corresponding defense cuts that a) didn't happen and b) would eventually mean all those other countries can't afford single payer anymore either. -
You could chincredible it once. Dick.RaceBannon said:
Don't know what to do with this2001400ex said:
So do Oregon's DBs.OZONE said:
They all rank above us in efficiency and coverage.Fenderbender123 said:
Just because they've all done it doesn't mean it wouldn't be more efficient if they hadn't.OZONE said:
The 20 countries that have all done it, disagree with your blind faith in the invisible hand when it comes to health care services.Fenderbender123 said:
Imagine actually believing that the government can provide services more efficiently than the free market, because "pr0fit!!!111!!"...lol profit is the reason WHY it's more efficient.OZONE said:It is sad that you think money paid for health services is evil if it is paid via taxes instead of through insurance premiums, even if the total amount spent is lower by removing the insurance company profit.
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Dupe post. Fuck off. Sausage fingers.RaceBannon said:
Don't know what to do with this2001400ex said:
So do Oregon's DBs.OZONE said:
They all rank above us in efficiency and coverage.Fenderbender123 said:
Just because they've all done it doesn't mean it wouldn't be more efficient if they hadn't.OZONE said:
The 20 countries that have all done it, disagree with your blind faith in the invisible hand when it comes to health care services.Fenderbender123 said:
Imagine actually believing that the government can provide services more efficiently than the free market, because "pr0fit!!!111!!"...lol profit is the reason WHY it's more efficient.OZONE said:It is sad that you think money paid for health services is evil if it is paid via taxes instead of through insurance premiums, even if the total amount spent is lower by removing the insurance company profit.
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Holy fuck.dnc said:
Pretty much every other advanced country is propped up by the US' willingness to spend out of our asses on defense to be able police the world and keep them free.Fire_Marshall_Bill said:
Pretty much every other advanced country has single payer or some kind of similar "evil" socialized medicinegreenblood said:This was the plan from the get go. The administration knew they couldn't get a single payer system passed, so they came up with a system that would be sure to fail. Once it fails, single payer will be the only option. Pretty sick if you ask me.
Just because it works somewhere else doesn't mean it works here without corresponding defense cuts that a) didn't happen and b) would eventually mean all those other countries can't afford single payer anymore either.
You thought this through.
What'd you do that for instead of spewing some Sledog/Hondo bullshit?
The only remaining question is why we police the world instead of offering a better health care system. I say fuck them, and bring on the free insulin - but I'm a type 1 diabetic, so you gotta take that with a pinch of salt. -
I'm sure healthcare was fine before Bill tried to "fix" it.
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I have to admit this cuts to the core of the Libertarian - Republican war inside of me. One side of me says our defense spending is ridiculous and we need to get back to the founders vision of isolationism. The other half says fuck ISIS, let's wipe them out and go occupy the Middle East for the next hundred years.dflea said:
Holy fuck.dnc said:
Pretty much every other advanced country is propped up by the US' willingness to spend out of our asses on defense to be able police the world and keep them free.Fire_Marshall_Bill said:
Pretty much every other advanced country has single payer or some kind of similar "evil" socialized medicinegreenblood said:This was the plan from the get go. The administration knew they couldn't get a single payer system passed, so they came up with a system that would be sure to fail. Once it fails, single payer will be the only option. Pretty sick if you ask me.
Just because it works somewhere else doesn't mean it works here without corresponding defense cuts that a) didn't happen and b) would eventually mean all those other countries can't afford single payer anymore either.
You thought this through.
What'd you do that for instead of spewing some Sledog/Hondo bullshit?
The only remaining question is why we police the world instead of offering a better health care system. I say fuck them, and bring on the free insulin - but I'm a type 1 diabetic, so you gotta take that with a pinch of salt.
I don't pretend to know what the right answer actually is. -
Which proves nothing for 2 reasons:OZONE said:
They all rank above us in efficiency and coverage.Fenderbender123 said:
Just because they've all done it doesn't mean it wouldn't be more efficient if they hadn't.OZONE said:
The 20 countries that have all done it, disagree with your blind faith in the invisible hand when it comes to health care services.Fenderbender123 said:
Imagine actually believing that the government can provide services more efficiently than the free market, because "pr0fit!!!111!!"...lol profit is the reason WHY it's more efficient.OZONE said:It is sad that you think money paid for health services is evil if it is paid via taxes instead of through insurance premiums, even if the total amount spent is lower by removing the insurance company profit.
1) The US has nothing close to a free market health care system. It's heavily influenced by government.
2) The overall efficiency of healthcare is determined by more factors than just government policy. If the efficiency and coverage really is better than the US in any of those countries, it would be even more efficient if their healthcare providers operated under the realm of a free market. -
Yeah my friend from Canada paid cash in the US because the wait was so long for the surgery he needed. Great system.OZONE said:
The 20 countries that have all done it, disagree with your blind faith in the invisible hand when it comes to health care services.Fenderbender123 said:
Imagine actually believing that the government can provide services more efficiently than the free market, because "pr0fit!!!111!!"...lol profit is the reason WHY it's more efficient.OZONE said:It is sad that you think money paid for health services is evil if it is paid via taxes instead of through insurance premiums, even if the total amount spent is lower by removing the insurance company profit.
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I don't know our founders ventured forth and built the Navy to fight pirates on the Barbary coast. We need a strong military. Our spending on entitlements makes military spending look like pennies. We need to get rid of all this spying on our citizens. That's money we could use elsewhere.dnc said:
I have to admit this cuts to the core of the Libertarian - Republican war inside of me. One side of me says our defense spending is ridiculous and we need to get back to the founders vision of isolationism. The other half says fuck ISIS, let's wipe them out and go occupy the Middle East for the next hundred years.dflea said:
Holy fuck.dnc said:
Pretty much every other advanced country is propped up by the US' willingness to spend out of our asses on defense to be able police the world and keep them free.Fire_Marshall_Bill said:
Pretty much every other advanced country has single payer or some kind of similar "evil" socialized medicinegreenblood said:This was the plan from the get go. The administration knew they couldn't get a single payer system passed, so they came up with a system that would be sure to fail. Once it fails, single payer will be the only option. Pretty sick if you ask me.
Just because it works somewhere else doesn't mean it works here without corresponding defense cuts that a) didn't happen and b) would eventually mean all those other countries can't afford single payer anymore either.
You thought this through.
What'd you do that for instead of spewing some Sledog/Hondo bullshit?
The only remaining question is why we police the world instead of offering a better health care system. I say fuck them, and bring on the free insulin - but I'm a type 1 diabetic, so you gotta take that with a pinch of salt.
I don't pretend to know what the right answer actually is. -
Extra cool story brah points if your Canadian friend is black, too.Sledog said:
Yeah my friend from Canada paid cash in the US because the wait was so long for the surgery he needed. Great system.OZONE said:
The 20 countries that have all done it, disagree with your blind faith in the invisible hand when it comes to health care services.Fenderbender123 said:
Imagine actually believing that the government can provide services more efficiently than the free market, because "pr0fit!!!111!!"...lol profit is the reason WHY it's more efficient.OZONE said:It is sad that you think money paid for health services is evil if it is paid via taxes instead of through insurance premiums, even if the total amount spent is lower by removing the insurance company profit.
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It depends on what you mean by work, but if you mean funded, that couldn't be done even if every penny from defense spending were cut. National healthcare expenditures are roughly four times the current budget for defense.dnc said:
Pretty much every other advanced country is propped up by the US' willingness to spend out of our asses on defense to be able police the world and keep them free.Fire_Marshall_Bill said:
Pretty much every other advanced country has single payer or some kind of similar "evil" socialized medicinegreenblood said:This was the plan from the get go. The administration knew they couldn't get a single payer system passed, so they came up with a system that would be sure to fail. Once it fails, single payer will be the only option. Pretty sick if you ask me.
Just because it works somewhere else doesn't mean it works here without corresponding defense cuts that a) didn't happen and b) would eventually mean all those other countries can't afford single payer anymore either. -
Isolationism doesn't mean pacifism. It means we deal with our own shit (ex Barbary pirates) and let everybody else deal with their shit (ex not helping France in their war with Britain).Sledog said:
I don't know our founders ventured forth and built the Navy to fight pirates on the Barbary coast. We need a strong military. Our spending on entitlements makes military spending look like pennies. We need to get rid of all this spying on our citizens. That's money we could use elsewhere.dnc said:
I have to admit this cuts to the core of the Libertarian - Republican war inside of me. One side of me says our defense spending is ridiculous and we need to get back to the founders vision of isolationism. The other half says fuck ISIS, let's wipe them out and go occupy the Middle East for the next hundred years.dflea said:
Holy fuck.dnc said:
Pretty much every other advanced country is propped up by the US' willingness to spend out of our asses on defense to be able police the world and keep them free.Fire_Marshall_Bill said:
Pretty much every other advanced country has single payer or some kind of similar "evil" socialized medicinegreenblood said:This was the plan from the get go. The administration knew they couldn't get a single payer system passed, so they came up with a system that would be sure to fail. Once it fails, single payer will be the only option. Pretty sick if you ask me.
Just because it works somewhere else doesn't mean it works here without corresponding defense cuts that a) didn't happen and b) would eventually mean all those other countries can't afford single payer anymore either.
You thought this through.
What'd you do that for instead of spewing some Sledog/Hondo bullshit?
The only remaining question is why we police the world instead of offering a better health care system. I say fuck them, and bring on the free insulin - but I'm a type 1 diabetic, so you gotta take that with a pinch of salt.
I don't pretend to know what the right answer actually is. -
You are a fucking liar.Sledog said:
Yeah my friend from Canada paid cash in the US because the wait was so long for the surgery he needed. Great system.OZONE said:
The 20 countries that have all done it, disagree with your blind faith in the invisible hand when it comes to health care services.Fenderbender123 said:
Imagine actually believing that the government can provide services more efficiently than the free market, because "pr0fit!!!111!!"...lol profit is the reason WHY it's more efficient.OZONE said:It is sad that you think money paid for health services is evil if it is paid via taxes instead of through insurance premiums, even if the total amount spent is lower by removing the insurance company profit.
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Sounds like you prefer entities with a profit motive to make health care decisions for you. Have you ever known anyone who got sick and their insurance pulled? Or the insurance company denied a necessary surgery because it costs too much?Fenderbender123 said:
Which proves nothing for 2 reasons:OZONE said:
They all rank above us in efficiency and coverage.Fenderbender123 said:
Just because they've all done it doesn't mean it wouldn't be more efficient if they hadn't.OZONE said:
The 20 countries that have all done it, disagree with your blind faith in the invisible hand when it comes to health care services.Fenderbender123 said:
Imagine actually believing that the government can provide services more efficiently than the free market, because "pr0fit!!!111!!"...lol profit is the reason WHY it's more efficient.OZONE said:It is sad that you think money paid for health services is evil if it is paid via taxes instead of through insurance premiums, even if the total amount spent is lower by removing the insurance company profit.
1) The US has nothing close to a free market health care system. It's heavily influenced by government.
2) The overall efficiency of healthcare is determined by more factors than just government policy. If the efficiency and coverage really is better than the US in any of those countries, it would be even more efficient if their healthcare providers operated under the realm of a free market.
I'm not in favor of government overegulation. But there are some things the government need to step in. -
You are a fucking liar.2001400ex said:
Sounds like you prefer entities with a profit motive to make health care decisions for you. Have you ever known anyone who got sick and their insurance pulled? Or the insurance company denied a necessary surgery because it costs too much?Fenderbender123 said:
Which proves nothing for 2 reasons:OZONE said:
They all rank above us in efficiency and coverage.Fenderbender123 said:
Just because they've all done it doesn't mean it wouldn't be more efficient if they hadn't.OZONE said:
The 20 countries that have all done it, disagree with your blind faith in the invisible hand when it comes to health care services.Fenderbender123 said:
Imagine actually believing that the government can provide services more efficiently than the free market, because "pr0fit!!!111!!"...lol profit is the reason WHY it's more efficient.OZONE said:It is sad that you think money paid for health services is evil if it is paid via taxes instead of through insurance premiums, even if the total amount spent is lower by removing the insurance company profit.
1) The US has nothing close to a free market health care system. It's heavily influenced by government.
2) The overall efficiency of healthcare is determined by more factors than just government policy. If the efficiency and coverage really is better than the US in any of those countries, it would be even more efficient if their healthcare providers operated under the realm of a free market.
I'm not in favor of government overegulation. But there are some things the government need to step in. -
It's a black eye for Oregon IMO.RaceBannon said:
Don't know what to do with this2001400ex said:
So do Oregon's DBs.OZONE said:
They all rank above us in efficiency and coverage.Fenderbender123 said:
Just because they've all done it doesn't mean it wouldn't be more efficient if they hadn't.OZONE said:
The 20 countries that have all done it, disagree with your blind faith in the invisible hand when it comes to health care services.Fenderbender123 said:
Imagine actually believing that the government can provide services more efficiently than the free market, because "pr0fit!!!111!!"...lol profit is the reason WHY it's more efficient.OZONE said:It is sad that you think money paid for health services is evil if it is paid via taxes instead of through insurance premiums, even if the total amount spent is lower by removing the insurance company profit.
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Thank you for listening.Southerndawg said:
You are a fucking liar.2001400ex said:
Sounds like you prefer entities with a profit motive to make health care decisions for you. Have you ever known anyone who got sick and their insurance pulled? Or the insurance company denied a necessary surgery because it costs too much?Fenderbender123 said:
Which proves nothing for 2 reasons:OZONE said:
They all rank above us in efficiency and coverage.Fenderbender123 said:
Just because they've all done it doesn't mean it wouldn't be more efficient if they hadn't.OZONE said:
The 20 countries that have all done it, disagree with your blind faith in the invisible hand when it comes to health care services.Fenderbender123 said:
Imagine actually believing that the government can provide services more efficiently than the free market, because "pr0fit!!!111!!"...lol profit is the reason WHY it's more efficient.OZONE said:It is sad that you think money paid for health services is evil if it is paid via taxes instead of through insurance premiums, even if the total amount spent is lower by removing the insurance company profit.
1) The US has nothing close to a free market health care system. It's heavily influenced by government.
2) The overall efficiency of healthcare is determined by more factors than just government policy. If the efficiency and coverage really is better than the US in any of those countries, it would be even more efficient if their healthcare providers operated under the realm of a free market.
I'm not in favor of government overegulation. But there are some things the government need to step in. -
That was one of the most intelligent things I've read here.dnc said:
I have to admit this cuts to the core of the Libertarian - Republican war inside of me. One side of me says our defense spending is ridiculous and we need to get back to the founders vision of isolationism. The other half says fuck ISIS, let's wipe them out and go occupy the Middle East for the next hundred years.dflea said:
Holy fuck.dnc said:
Pretty much every other advanced country is propped up by the US' willingness to spend out of our asses on defense to be able police the world and keep them free.Fire_Marshall_Bill said:
Pretty much every other advanced country has single payer or some kind of similar "evil" socialized medicinegreenblood said:This was the plan from the get go. The administration knew they couldn't get a single payer system passed, so they came up with a system that would be sure to fail. Once it fails, single payer will be the only option. Pretty sick if you ask me.
Just because it works somewhere else doesn't mean it works here without corresponding defense cuts that a) didn't happen and b) would eventually mean all those other countries can't afford single payer anymore either.
You thought this through.
What'd you do that for instead of spewing some Sledog/Hondo bullshit?
The only remaining question is why we police the world instead of offering a better health care system. I say fuck them, and bring on the free insulin - but I'm a type 1 diabetic, so you gotta take that with a pinch of salt.
I don't pretend to know what the right answer actually is.
You'd better brush up your game.
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Yeah hadRaceBannon said:
And America had a system where if you had money or a good job you could get the best care in the world when you wanted it. With or without insurance.Fire_Marshall_Bill said:
Pretty much every other advanced country has single payer or some kind of similar "evil" socialized medicinegreenblood said:This was the plan from the get go. The administration knew they couldn't get a single payer system passed, so they came up with a system that would be sure to fail. Once it fails, single payer will be the only option. Pretty sick if you ask me.
I get cash discounts but that motherfucker Obama takes it out of my pocket at the end of the year
Leave the death panels and waiting lists for our Veterans. Thank you for your service now die
That was 30 years ago. Times have changed.
Go smoke another j you fucking burnout. -
love it or leave it response from the pothead. No surprise.PurpleJ said:
Then go live there and fuck off.Fire_Marshall_Bill said:
Pretty much every other advanced country has single payer or some kind of similar "evil" socialized medicinegreenblood said:This was the plan from the get go. The administration knew they couldn't get a single payer system passed, so they came up with a system that would be sure to fail. Once it fails, single payer will be the only option. Pretty sick if you ask me.
You do know that healthcare is about 18% of GDP vs. about 8-12 in the other countries and people are charged 400 times as much for pills as in those countries.
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Got any proof for that?dnc said:
Pretty much every other advanced country is propped up by the US' willingness to spend out of our asses on defense to be able police the world and keep them free.Fire_Marshall_Bill said:
Pretty much every other advanced country has single payer or some kind of similar "evil" socialized medicinegreenblood said:This was the plan from the get go. The administration knew they couldn't get a single payer system passed, so they came up with a system that would be sure to fail. Once it fails, single payer will be the only option. Pretty sick if you ask me.
Just because it works somewhere else doesn't mean it works here without corresponding defense cuts that a) didn't happen and b) would eventually mean all those other countries can't afford single payer anymore either.
America spends three times more than it needs to on defense. The libertarian in you ought to be outraged. -
Triple shitpost!
