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Because its personal not politicalcreepycoug said:
I hear you. I'm not in a hurry to get the vax; but I (we) are also not anti-vax. I just want to see it roll out for a while. I've never wanted to be the canary.BleachedAnusDawg said:Are airlines really going to be stupid enough to require proof of vaccination? I, and many others I know, will not fly if that's the case. We just won't.
Quasi-tug comment, but relevant.
The anti-vax group is a chintresting one. They seem to cross the political spectrum. I know people who are fairly described as close to alt-right and people who border on collectivism who won't touch a vax and will argue with you about it all day if you let them.
And this fast of a vaccine is new
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RaceBannon said:
Because its personal not politicalcreepycoug said:
I hear you. I'm not in a hurry to get the vax; but I (we) are also not anti-vax. I just want to see it roll out for a while. I've never wanted to be the canary.BleachedAnusDawg said:Are airlines really going to be stupid enough to require proof of vaccination? I, and many others I know, will not fly if that's the case. We just won't.
Quasi-tug comment, but relevant.
The anti-vax group is a chintresting one. They seem to cross the political spectrum. I know people who are fairly described as close to alt-right and people who border on collectivism who won't touch a vax and will argue with you about it all day if you let them.
And this fast of a vaccine is new
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creepycoug said:
I hear you. I'm not in a hurry to get the vax; but I (we) are also not anti-vax. I just want to see it roll out for a while. I've never wanted to be the canary.BleachedAnusDawg said:Are airlines really going to be stupid enough to require proof of vaccination? I, and many others I know, will not fly if that's the case. We just won't.
Quasi-tug comment, but relevant.
The anti-vax group is a chintresting one. They seem to cross the political spectrum. I know people who are fairly described as close to alt-right and people who border on collectivism who won't touch a vax and will argue with you about it all day if you let them.
Contrary to popular opinion, I'm not anti-vaxx either. I just want to reserve the right to be skeptical and ask (uncomfortable) questions.RaceBannon said:
Because its personal not politicalcreepycoug said:
I hear you. I'm not in a hurry to get the vax; but I (we) are also not anti-vax. I just want to see it roll out for a while. I've never wanted to be the canary.BleachedAnusDawg said:Are airlines really going to be stupid enough to require proof of vaccination? I, and many others I know, will not fly if that's the case. We just won't.
Quasi-tug comment, but relevant.
The anti-vax group is a chintresting one. They seem to cross the political spectrum. I know people who are fairly described as close to alt-right and people who border on collectivism who won't touch a vax and will argue with you about it all day if you let them.
And this fast of a vaccine is new
He makes some good poonts.
https://youtu.be/IfnJi7yLKgE
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Same. I think that's probably 1/3 of the country.creepycoug said:
I hear you. I'm not in a hurry to get the vax; but I (we) are also not anti-vax. I just want to see it roll out for a while. I've never wanted to be the canary.BleachedAnusDawg said:Are airlines really going to be stupid enough to require proof of vaccination? I, and many others I know, will not fly if that's the case. We just won't.
Quasi-tug comment, but relevant.
The anti-vax group is a chintresting one. They seem to cross the political spectrum. I know people who are fairly described as close to alt-right and people who border on collectivism who won't touch a vax and will argue with you about it all day if you let them.
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Pretty sure it's standard practice for international travel to verify vaccinations against or non-carrier of certain diseases. Don't really pay that much attention to it - but obviously, if you're going to the jungle of deepest darkest Africa (ISAFNRC), you'd want to be up on getting all your bug shots.
For domestic travel, they can fuck the fuck off with demanding vaccination records. Take my temperature when i get on the plane and STFU about any other medical inquiries. If it's good enough for the engine casinos, it's good enough to jump on a flight.
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There are a lot of mixed messages on the vax
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If you follow the gab.com, it's been reported that there's about 3% severe allergic reaction to the vaccine in the UK - including anaphylactic shock and death. But that ain't getting any play from the MSM because it's not worse than Watergate.RaceBannon said:There are a lot of mixed messages on the vax
#takeittothetug
#tiptoeuptotheline
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They aren’t going to require proof of vax unless they find that is required to get people to travel in the first place.BleachedAnusDawg said:Are airlines really going to be stupid enough to require proof of vaccination? I, and many others I know, will not fly if that's the case. We just won't.
Quasi-tug comment, but relevant.
Now governments on the other hand is a whole different story. I expect negative tests to be required for international travel for a while and possibly proof of vax. It’s not uncommon for this today- travel in and out of regions with yellow fever requires proof of a vaccine, which I’ve had and carry the “yellow card” with me. But usually for American travelers no one cares.
And that will probably be one of the biggest travel changes with COVID. Show up at passport control in any country, US passport in hand, and off you went, especially if you looked the part. Now the US is that dirty country where Covid spread out of control. No more zipping through at Heathrow or Frankfurt; we’ll be in line with the masses from SE Asia as we get investigated to ensure we’re not bringing nasty shit in. That will suck and I will have my vaccine proof with me in order to keep moving. -
Global Entry, bitches.whlinder said:
They aren’t going to require proof of vax unless they find that is required to get people to travel in the first place.BleachedAnusDawg said:Are airlines really going to be stupid enough to require proof of vaccination? I, and many others I know, will not fly if that's the case. We just won't.
Quasi-tug comment, but relevant.
Now governments on the other hand is a whole different story. I expect negative tests to be required for international travel for a while and possibly proof of vax. It’s not uncommon for this today- travel in and out of regions with yellow fever requires proof of a vaccine, which I’ve had and carry the “yellow card” with me. But usually for American travelers no one cares.
And that will probably be one of the biggest travel changes with COVID. Show up at passport control in any country, US passport in hand, and off you went, especially if you looked the part. Now the US is that dirty country where Covid spread out of control. No more zipping through at Heathrow or Frankfurt; we’ll be in line with the masses from SE Asia as we get investigated to ensure we’re not bringing nasty shit in. That will suck and I will have my vaccine proof with me in order to keep moving.
At least coming back home.
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Moderna seems to be the one popping up (off?) the most with the allergic reaction incidents.RaceBannon said:There are a lot of mixed messages on the vax
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I wonder how many people know that there are multiple vaccines?creepycoug said:
Moderna seems to be the one popping up (off?) the most with the allergic reaction incidents.RaceBannon said:There are a lot of mixed messages on the vax
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You're an absolute clown if you think international borders are going to re-open and things will return to normal without a massive worldwide revolution to remove governments that are implementing Agenda 21, under the guise of a fake pandemic and the climate change scam. Soon, you won't be able to travel across state borders, because that has been the plan all along.
Keep wearing your masks though, you fucking monkeys. Take the Vax, it has only killed thousands so far. -
I'm willing to give up some autonomy (and remember, b4 anybody Tugs me, we all have given up autonomy to somebody ... the guv, the company, Derek, whatever) to get through a check-point and exercise my free-will to move about. It's just a matter of how much and for what.
I'd be ok with negative tests. Forget going to a country ... that's fair before getting inside a metal tube with other people for 4 to 12 hours. But the vax would go too far IMHO. If you're negative, you're negative. Doesn't matter how you manage to stay that way. -
Talking about monkeys.oregonblitzkrieg said:
You're an absolute clown if you think international borders are going to re-open and things will return to normal without a massive worldwide revolution to remove governments that are implementing Agenda 21, under the guise of a fake pandemic and the climate change scam. Soon, you won't be able to travel across state borders, because that has been the plan all along.
Keep wearing your masks though, you fucking monkeys. Take the Vax, it has only killed thousands so far. -
I don't know how you separate Covid from politics at this point. This didn't start as a Covid thread but once you get there you are at the most successfully politicized disease in memory
The effect on all walks of life is only just beginning to be known
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I agree. Then again, I can't think about much worth discussing outside of sports that hasn't been politicized.RaceBannon said:I don't know how you separate Covid from politics at this point. This didn't start as a Covid thread but once you get there you are at the most successfully politicized disease in memory
The effect on all walks of life is only just beginning to be known
Two Americas indeed. -
It's hard to say how bidness travel plays out over the long run. Some segments like corporate group bidness might actually see an uptick if more companies increase the percentage of their workforce who are home based. Even the zoom town worker bees down in places like White Wakanda need periodic face time with their teams and most companies don't have the conference spaces on site to facilitate meetings.Swaye said:
Agree. Here at Orkin we are exploring greatly reduced air travel even in a post Covid world. For North American clients we have T&E built on top, but for the rest of the globe that came right out of hide in the contract. Someone in finance realized what our new margins are without travel, and the fact that new clients still pay the same whether we are going anywhere or not. Yeah, business travel will NEVER return to pre-Covid levels. Ever.Doog_de_Jour said:I like Delta and Alaska. Other US airlines can fuck off.
Yeah, I think there is a huge pent up demand for travel, so the airlines and hospitality industries will bounce back.
I’m not as convinced that business travel will ever return to pre-COVID levels though, but I’m by no means an expert. -
That, and everyone is forgetting the boondoggle aspect of "corporate" travel. Doing blow off a hooker's ass when you're married, middle-aged and have kids happens on bidness trips. Otherwise, it's "So, why are you flying to Las Vegas again? Why don't we make a little vacation out of it. I'll come too!!"YellowSnow said:
It's hard to say how bidness travel plays out over the long run. Some segments like corporate group bidness might actually see an uptick if more companies increase the percentage of their workforce who are home based. Even the zoom town worker bees down in places like White Wakanda need periodic face time with their teams and most companies don't have the conference spaces on site to facilitate meetings.Swaye said:
Agree. Here at Orkin we are exploring greatly reduced air travel even in a post Covid world. For North American clients we have T&E built on top, but for the rest of the globe that came right out of hide in the contract. Someone in finance realized what our new margins are without travel, and the fact that new clients still pay the same whether we are going anywhere or not. Yeah, business travel will NEVER return to pre-Covid levels. Ever.Doog_de_Jour said:I like Delta and Alaska. Other US airlines can fuck off.
Yeah, I think there is a huge pent up demand for travel, so the airlines and hospitality industries will bounce back.
I’m not as convinced that business travel will ever return to pre-COVID levels though, but I’m by no means an expert. -
Oh for sure, can't imagine travel without it.PurpleThrobber said:
Global Entry, bitches.whlinder said:
They aren’t going to require proof of vax unless they find that is required to get people to travel in the first place.BleachedAnusDawg said:Are airlines really going to be stupid enough to require proof of vaccination? I, and many others I know, will not fly if that's the case. We just won't.
Quasi-tug comment, but relevant.
Now governments on the other hand is a whole different story. I expect negative tests to be required for international travel for a while and possibly proof of vax. It’s not uncommon for this today- travel in and out of regions with yellow fever requires proof of a vaccine, which I’ve had and carry the “yellow card” with me. But usually for American travelers no one cares.
And that will probably be one of the biggest travel changes with COVID. Show up at passport control in any country, US passport in hand, and off you went, especially if you looked the part. Now the US is that dirty country where Covid spread out of control. No more zipping through at Heathrow or Frankfurt; we’ll be in line with the masses from SE Asia as we get investigated to ensure we’re not bringing nasty shit in. That will suck and I will have my vaccine proof with me in order to keep moving.
At least coming back home.
And I will be more than happy to load something to my Global Entry profile to prove I've been vaccinated. I don't care. Just let me get the fuck out of the airport as fast as possible once I get there. I got shit to do and people to meet and things to see, ain't got time to be spending waiting to be anally probed by some fucking immigration control dummy.
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I hate to say it, but I know traveling and expensing shit on the company dime is a big reason why many go into careers like sales. Hookers and blow do grease the wheels of capitalism and those things don’t translate well to virtual conference calls.creepycoug said:
That, and everyone is forgetting the boondoggle aspect of "corporate" travel. Doing blow off a hooker's ass when you're married, middle-aged and have kids happens on bidness trips. Otherwise, it's "So, why are you flying to Las Vegas again? Why don't we make a little vacation out of it. I'll come too!!"YellowSnow said:
It's hard to say how bidness travel plays out over the long run. Some segments like corporate group bidness might actually see an uptick if more companies increase the percentage of their workforce who are home based. Even the zoom town worker bees down in places like White Wakanda need periodic face time with their teams and most companies don't have the conference spaces on site to facilitate meetings.Swaye said:
Agree. Here at Orkin we are exploring greatly reduced air travel even in a post Covid world. For North American clients we have T&E built on top, but for the rest of the globe that came right out of hide in the contract. Someone in finance realized what our new margins are without travel, and the fact that new clients still pay the same whether we are going anywhere or not. Yeah, business travel will NEVER return to pre-Covid levels. Ever.Doog_de_Jour said:I like Delta and Alaska. Other US airlines can fuck off.
Yeah, I think there is a huge pent up demand for travel, so the airlines and hospitality industries will bounce back.
I’m not as convinced that business travel will ever return to pre-COVID levels though, but I’m by no means an expert.
At least until the Holodeck/VR technology is perfected. 😁 -
Fucking sheep. Make sure to take your mask along with you, if you're not incapacitated or dead after taking the Vax, because they've already told you the masks are not coming off, even after you bend over and do everything they say.whlinder said:
Oh for sure, can't imagine travel without it.PurpleThrobber said:
Global Entry, bitches.whlinder said:
They aren’t going to require proof of vax unless they find that is required to get people to travel in the first place.BleachedAnusDawg said:Are airlines really going to be stupid enough to require proof of vaccination? I, and many others I know, will not fly if that's the case. We just won't.
Quasi-tug comment, but relevant.
Now governments on the other hand is a whole different story. I expect negative tests to be required for international travel for a while and possibly proof of vax. It’s not uncommon for this today- travel in and out of regions with yellow fever requires proof of a vaccine, which I’ve had and carry the “yellow card” with me. But usually for American travelers no one cares.
And that will probably be one of the biggest travel changes with COVID. Show up at passport control in any country, US passport in hand, and off you went, especially if you looked the part. Now the US is that dirty country where Covid spread out of control. No more zipping through at Heathrow or Frankfurt; we’ll be in line with the masses from SE Asia as we get investigated to ensure we’re not bringing nasty shit in. That will suck and I will have my vaccine proof with me in order to keep moving.
At least coming back home.
And I will be more than happy to load something to my Global Entry profile to prove I've been vaccinated. I don't care. Just let me get the fuck out of the airport as fast as possible once I get there. I got shit to do and people to meet and things to see, ain't got time to be spending waiting to be anally probed by some fucking immigration control dummy.
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OK!
“I can’t travel anywhere cause no one will let me in but I’ve got mah freedumb!!!!” -
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Doog_de_Jour said:
I hate to say it, but I know traveling and expensing shit on the company dime is a big reason why many go into careers like sales. Hookers and blow do grease the wheels of capitalism and those things don’t translate well to virtual conference calls.creepycoug said:
That, and everyone is forgetting the boondoggle aspect of "corporate" travel. Doing blow off a hooker's ass when you're married, middle-aged and have kids happens on bidness trips. Otherwise, it's "So, why are you flying to Las Vegas again? Why don't we make a little vacation out of it. I'll come too!!"YellowSnow said:
It's hard to say how bidness travel plays out over the long run. Some segments like corporate group bidness might actually see an uptick if more companies increase the percentage of their workforce who are home based. Even the zoom town worker bees down in places like White Wakanda need periodic face time with their teams and most companies don't have the conference spaces on site to facilitate meetings.Swaye said:
Agree. Here at Orkin we are exploring greatly reduced air travel even in a post Covid world. For North American clients we have T&E built on top, but for the rest of the globe that came right out of hide in the contract. Someone in finance realized what our new margins are without travel, and the fact that new clients still pay the same whether we are going anywhere or not. Yeah, business travel will NEVER return to pre-Covid levels. Ever.Doog_de_Jour said:I like Delta and Alaska. Other US airlines can fuck off.
Yeah, I think there is a huge pent up demand for travel, so the airlines and hospitality industries will bounce back.
I’m not as convinced that business travel will ever return to pre-COVID levels though, but I’m by no means an expert.
At least until the Holodeck/VR technology is perfected. 😁
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Stop trying to so hard. It's unmanly.oregonblitzkrieg said:
