How does Trump recover from this mess...
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How will we replace Feeney?!
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People will forget in 2 days until he does it again in the 2nd and 3rd debates then they'll be back to chasing squirrelsGoduckies said:Thoughts? Or does he?
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I'm looking forward to those oysters.
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Trump needs to get into the groove of his rallies. Playing offense, USA! USA! USA!, land of opportunity for all people, all races, etc. Hammer on corruption/Hunter, 47 years of nothing, drain the swamp.
The Rope A Dope playing defense was a horrible strategery.
People forget Ali lost the first bout to Frazier, pummeled him in the 2nd fight and then scored a TKO while almost dying during the Thrilla in Manila. People forget that.
Biden in November:
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Ain't no one out there like "hmmm, who should I vote for, I think I'll watch a debate to help me figure it out"
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Nope but it was pure fucking entertainmentwhlinder said:Ain't no one out there like "hmmm, who should I vote for, I think I'll watch a debate to help me figure it out"
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Trump was I’ll prepared and low energy. That said, every time he began to strike, Wallace would shout out to block his answer and Biden would pile on with something incoherent.
If debates continue, this strategy will get worse becoming more obnoxious. It’s a good strategy. It worked. Trump looked like he hadn’t even considered Jimmy Lakes defense as he kept running short crosses over and over -
Trump will do better knowing he's the road team. The next moderator can't be Joe's buttboy againdoogie said:Trump was I’ll prepared and low energy. That said, every time he began to strike, Wallace would shout out to block his answer and Biden would pile on with something incoherent.
If debates continue, this strategy will get worse becoming more obnoxious. It’s a good strategy. It worked. Trump looked like he hadn’t even considered Jimmy Lakes defense as he kept running short crosses over and over -
The next moderator is an NPR clown and a room full of Biden supporters who pretend to be “undecided voters” quick to shout down Trump every tim he answers.
I predict a controlled Mob scene with Trump appearing quite frustrated. Joe will giggle and smile and just repeat Cmon, maaaan!
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I believe Frazier lost his eye sight in that eye after that fight in ManilaPurpleThrobber said:Trump needs to get into the groove of his rallies. Playing offense, USA! USA! USA!, land of opportunity for all people, all races, etc. Hammer on corruption/Hunter, 47 years of nothing, drain the swamp.
The Rope A Dope playing defense was a horrible strategery.
People forget Ali lost the first bout to Frazier, pummeled him in the 2nd fight and then scored a TKO while almost dying during the Thrilla in Manila. People forget that.
Biden in November:
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I still can’t believe how badly Trump fucked up the condemning hate groups question.
“I condemn racism and hate groups of all kinds, unlike my opponent, who calls black people street predators, and is worried about white kids having to grow up in a racial jungle. My opponent, who supported race riots for months and encouraged domestic terrorists to attack the police and residents of our cities.”
That is low hanging fruit, and Trump fucked up royally with the “stand down and stand by” comment. He basically made himself the commanding officer of the Proud Boys.
We call those unforced errors, imo -
Didn't think that Biden would do any debates. Doubling down that there won't be anymore debates. Biden now has some leverage to say what's the point. The constant interrupting and the unforced error on denouncing white supremacists and then demand that Biden denounce Antifa and the riots gives Biden all the cover he needs.
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Trump fumbled this one badly. I don't think debates matter much but I expected Trump to destroy Biden and that didn't happen at all. Trump was at his worst last night.
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Recently watched a documentary on Richard Pryor. Pryor made a comeback after his burning man impression and did a show in LA. He flopped. Nothing clicked. Nobody laughed. It was horrible. He actually apologized to the crowd and said "come back tomorrow night".dnc said:Trump fumbled this one badly. I don't think debates matter much but I expected Trump to destroy Biden and that didn't happen at all. Trump was at his worst last night.
Next night he killed it. Absolutely on point. Hilarious as in his cracker/dead honky phase.
It's not over for Trump.
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I thought he did also, but from what I saw (granted, I didn't watch, was on a plane last night) the question made it seem like if he would have just denounced white supremacy, then he would be in fact claiming that the violence in Portland, Seattle, etc. was the result of white supremacy. Seemed to me, while he did fumble, he did still say, sure, I would love to, but these aren't right wing problems, they are left wing.thechatch said:I still can’t believe how badly Trump fucked up the condemning hate groups question.
“I condemn racism and hate groups of all kinds, unlike my opponent, who calls black people street predators, and is worried about white kids having to grow up in a racial jungle. My opponent, who supported race riots for months and encouraged domestic terrorists to attack the police and residents of our cities.”
That is low hanging fruit, and Trump fucked up royally with the “stand down and stand by” comment. He basically made himself the commanding officer of the Proud Boys.
We call those unforced errors, imo
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Trump had many opportunities last night to hammer Biden and failed to do so. Biden failed to offer any vision of his plan other than raise taxes, kill the coal industry, and shut down the country again if "scientists" advised him to.thechatch said:I still can’t believe how badly Trump fucked up the condemning hate groups question.
“I condemn racism and hate groups of all kinds, unlike my opponent, who calls black people street predators, and is worried about white kids having to grow up in a racial jungle. My opponent, who supported race riots for months and encouraged domestic terrorists to attack the police and residents of our cities.”
That is low hanging fruit, and Trump fucked up royally with the “stand down and stand by” comment. He basically made himself the commanding officer of the Proud Boys.
We call those unforced errors, imo
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I agree. Just saying he was not on last night.PurpleThrobber said:
Recently watched a documentary on Richard Pryor. Pryor made a comeback after his burning man impression and did a show in LA. He flopped. Nothing clicked. Nobody laughed. It was horrible. He actually apologized to the crowd and said "come back tomorrow night".dnc said:Trump fumbled this one badly. I don't think debates matter much but I expected Trump to destroy Biden and that didn't happen at all. Trump was at his worst last night.
Next night he killed it. Absolutely on point. Hilarious as in his cracker/dead honky phase.
It's not over for Trump. -
Having dealt with racism I can tell you that calling Trump and his voters racist based on a big lie just pisses me off. Trump is right to turn it on the real racist on stage.
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But the suburbs!RaceBannon said:Having dealt with racism I can tell you that calling Trump and his voters racist based on a big lie just pisses me off. Trump is right to turn it on the real racist on stage.
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Richard Pryor didn't suck ass before his crappy set like Trump does.PurpleThrobber said:
Recently watched a documentary on Richard Pryor. Pryor made a comeback after his burning man impression and did a show in LA. He flopped. Nothing clicked. Nobody laughed. It was horrible. He actually apologized to the crowd and said "come back tomorrow night".dnc said:Trump fumbled this one badly. I don't think debates matter much but I expected Trump to destroy Biden and that didn't happen at all. Trump was at his worst last night.
Next night he killed it. Absolutely on point. Hilarious as in his cracker/dead honky phase.
It's not over for Trump.
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Agree he wasn't "on", but if you cut through the noise, which wasn't easy to do, he obliterated Biden on substance. Biden has NOTHING. And speaking of "on", that slobbering geriatric (sorry @RaceBannon ) has no "on" days left in his lifetim. What you saw last night is Biden at his best. He'll never be better.doogie said:Trump was I’ll prepared and low energy. That said, every time he began to strike, Wallace would shout out to block his answer and Biden would pile on with something incoherent.
If debates continue, this strategy will get worse becoming more obnoxious. It’s a good strategy. It worked. Trump looked like he hadn’t even considered Jimmy Lakes defense as he kept running short crosses over and over
Trump did fumble the race discussions last night. The Proud Boys gaffe is almost historically bad, and the answer on sensitivity training was not super great either.
I am at once concerned about the damage the Proud Boys comment will do to his electability and legitimately and pleasantly surprised to see the Tug come out and acknowledge it was a bad move. The POTUS simply cannot lend any level of legitimacy to a group like that, and he did. And "but buts" are useless.
I fear my taxes may go up now, and that I will have to acknowledge that the chatch called this right a few weeks ago. Still, my $$ is on Trump, in more ways than one. -
The biggest racist since pumpy on the bored is heard fromHHusky said:
But the suburbs!RaceBannon said:Having dealt with racism I can tell you that calling Trump and his voters racist based on a big lie just pisses me off. Trump is right to turn it on the real racist on stage.
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Pretty impressed with Biden were you?dflea said:
Richard Pryor didn't suck ass before his crappy set like Trump does.PurpleThrobber said:
Recently watched a documentary on Richard Pryor. Pryor made a comeback after his burning man impression and did a show in LA. He flopped. Nothing clicked. Nobody laughed. It was horrible. He actually apologized to the crowd and said "come back tomorrow night".dnc said:Trump fumbled this one badly. I don't think debates matter much but I expected Trump to destroy Biden and that didn't happen at all. Trump was at his worst last night.
Next night he killed it. Absolutely on point. Hilarious as in his cracker/dead honky phase.
It's not over for Trump.
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I thought he did also, but from what I saw (granted, I didn't watch, was on a plane last night) the question made it seem like if he would have just denounced white supremacy, then he would be in fact claiming that the violence in Portland, Seattle, etc. was the result of white supremacy. Seemed to me, while he did fumble, he did still say, sure, I would love to, but these aren't right wing problems, they are left wing.thechatch said:I still can’t believe how badly Trump fucked up the condemning hate groups question.
“I condemn racism and hate groups of all kinds, unlike my opponent, who calls black people street predators, and is worried about white kids having to grow up in a racial jungle. My opponent, who supported race riots for months and encouraged domestic terrorists to attack the police and residents of our cities.”
That is low hanging fruit, and Trump fucked up royally with the “stand down and stand by” comment. He basically made himself the commanding officer of the Proud Boys.
We call those unforced errors, imo
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I’m sure there are some, but the debates really are pointless. A lot of it is disagreeing simply to disagree. Both candidates are pretty bad.whlinder said:Ain't no one out there like "hmmm, who should I vote for, I think I'll watch a debate to help me figure it out"
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The worst part about it was that the question was SO OBVIOUSLY canned and served up for him as a test. And while he was in the process of failing the test, the moderator kept nudging him and making it clear that this was a statement question and gave him a couple of chances to get it right and he just kept fucking it up. You could tell the gears were spinning and he made a calculated move. He just calculated badly. Very, very, very badly.thechatch said:I still can’t believe how badly Trump fucked up the condemning hate groups question.
“I condemn racism and hate groups of all kinds, unlike my opponent, who calls black people street predators, and is worried about white kids having to grow up in a racial jungle. My opponent, who supported race riots for months and encouraged domestic terrorists to attack the police and residents of our cities.”
That is low hanging fruit, and Trump fucked up royally with the “stand down and stand by” comment. He basically made himself the commanding officer of the Proud Boys.
We call those unforced errors, imo
I have a sense for the line on which he is dancing. There are plenty of people, both in and outside of his base, who speak plainly and directly about race relations and have politically incorrect views on race according to the left; but those people are not racists. The Tug, for example, is full of those people. I think perhaps Trump and his advisors don't sufficiently appreciate the difference between those people and people like the Proud Boys. If I'm right about that, then that's on him and his people.
In any event, whatever the reason, he wasn't good on his feet on that point and he may have really screwed the pooch. I don't think this one just goes away because of our? short attention span. If I'm on the left, I hammer this point until it's done. -
I wonder. I tend to think that, too, but I think there's a number out there that is north of insignificant of people who actually are moved by these debates.whlinder said:Ain't no one out there like "hmmm, who should I vote for, I think I'll watch a debate to help me figure it out"
