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  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,183

    Trump started the use of "collusion" as a means of setting up an either-or. He posted the word countlessly.

    That's a good Kunt. Just ignore all the evidence that was provided showing that you're dead wrong and double down on your bullshit.

    Trump didn't start the use of "Collusion." The Rats did. The fact that Trump then denied any "Collusion" doesn't mean that he started it's use or that it was never part of the left's rhetoric.

    Take your loss like a man and don't be like Hondo.
  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,183
    Collusion was being used by the Rats and the Media, same thing, in July of 2016.

    https://abcnews.go.com/ThisWeek/clinton-campaign-chief-russians-trump-pro-russian-platform/story?id=40824946

    To claim that Trump started it's use is pure crap.
  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    SFGbob said:

    Collusion was being used by the Rats and the Media, same thing, in July of 2016.

    https://abcnews.go.com/ThisWeek/clinton-campaign-chief-russians-trump-pro-russian-platform/story?id=40824946

    To claim that Trump started it's use is pure crap.

    And to claim Trump had no knowledge Russians had DNC and Hillary emails is pure crap.
  • LebamDawg
    LebamDawg Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 8,790 Swaye's Wigwam
    I read all this shit and I came to the collusion, I mean conclusion, that if it was a stolen blow job Trump should be impeached
  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,183
    2001400ex said:

    SFGbob said:

    Collusion was being used by the Rats and the Media, same thing, in July of 2016.

    https://abcnews.go.com/ThisWeek/clinton-campaign-chief-russians-trump-pro-russian-platform/story?id=40824946

    To claim that Trump started it's use is pure crap.

    And to claim Trump had no knowledge Russians had DNC and Hillary emails is pure crap.
    No this is pure crap:

    And it's a documented fact that Trump's team met with a Russian team to discuss giving DNC emails and Hillary emails to Trump.

    If you have evidence that Trump knew the Russians had the DNC and Hillary emails lets see it Hondo because the word of pathological liar isn't worth much. I've not claimed that Trump had no knowledge because unlike you I'm not a liar and I have no evidence one way or the other. All I know is that I've not seen any evidence to support the claim that "Trump knew."
  • ApostleofGrief
    ApostleofGrief Member Posts: 3,904
    SFGbob said:

    Why didn't Mueller charge anyone with this crime?

    He can't charge a sitting president, if that is what you mean
  • GrundleStiltzkin
    GrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,516 Standard Supporter

    SFGbob said:

    Why didn't Mueller charge anyone with this crime?

    He can't charge a sitting president, if that is what you mean
    Then the House is within rights to bring impeachment charges. Why haven't they?
  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,183
    And if the argument was over how many times Trump said "no collusion" or if Trump has ever used the word "collusion" you'd be kicking ass right now AoG.

    But unfortunately for you the points of contention are these claims by you:

    Collusion has always been the GOP rhetoric not the lefts

    Trump started the use of "collusion" as a means of setting up an either-or.

    And those claims are pure garbage. But keep fucking that chicken.

    Collusion hasn't "always" been part of the GOP's rhetoric. It was started by the Rats and their pals in the press. I posted a link that showed you where ABC News was using the word in July of 2016. Trump denying what he was being accused of doing isn't him "start[ing]" anything.

  • ApostleofGrief
    ApostleofGrief Member Posts: 3,904

    SFGbob said:

    Why didn't Mueller charge anyone with this crime?

    He can't charge a sitting president, if that is what you mean
    Then the House is within rights to bring impeachment charges. Why haven't they?
    They will. There is a process.
  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,183

    SFGbob said:

    Why didn't Mueller charge anyone with this crime?

    He can't charge a sitting president, if that is what you mean
    But he could charge everyone at the Trump Tower meeting with that crime, so why didn't he?
  • GrundleStiltzkin
    GrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,516 Standard Supporter

    SFGbob said:

    Why didn't Mueller charge anyone with this crime?

    He can't charge a sitting president, if that is what you mean
    Then the House is within rights to bring impeachment charges. Why haven't they?
    They will. There is a process.
    It's hard. It takes a minute.
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 114,028 Founders Club
    Mueller said Trump being a sitting president was not why he wasn't charged

    But still
  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,183

    SFGbob said:

    Why didn't Mueller charge anyone with this crime?

    He can't charge a sitting president, if that is what you mean
    Then the House is within rights to bring impeachment charges. Why haven't they?
    They will. There is a process.
    But he didn't say that in his report. He could have said that we wanted to prosecute Trump but couldn't because he is the CIC. But that's not what he said. Is he in on the cover up?
  • ApostleofGrief
    ApostleofGrief Member Posts: 3,904
    SFGbob said:

    And if the argument was over how many times Trump said "no collusion" or if Trump has ever used the word "collusion" you'd be kicking ass right now AoG.

    But unfortunately for you the points of contention are these claims by you:

    Collusion has always been the GOP rhetoric not the lefts

    Trump started the use of "collusion" as a means of setting up an either-or.

    And those claims are pure garbage. But keep fucking that chicken.

    Collusion hasn't "always" been part of the GOP's rhetoric. It was started by the Rats and their pals in the press. I posted a link that showed you where ABC News was using the word in July of 2016. Trump denying what he was being accused of doing isn't him "start[ing]" anything.

    Fine. So tell me then why the present Commander in Chief didn't call the FBI having his campaign meet with Russian operatives repeatedly.
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 114,028 Founders Club

    SFGbob said:

    And if the argument was over how many times Trump said "no collusion" or if Trump has ever used the word "collusion" you'd be kicking ass right now AoG.

    But unfortunately for you the points of contention are these claims by you:

    Collusion has always been the GOP rhetoric not the lefts

    Trump started the use of "collusion" as a means of setting up an either-or.

    And those claims are pure garbage. But keep fucking that chicken.

    Collusion hasn't "always" been part of the GOP's rhetoric. It was started by the Rats and their pals in the press. I posted a link that showed you where ABC News was using the word in July of 2016. Trump denying what he was being accused of doing isn't him "start[ing]" anything.

    Fine. So tell me then why the present Commander in Chief didn't call the FBI having his campaign meet with Russian operatives repeatedly.
    Bullshit
  • ApostleofGrief
    ApostleofGrief Member Posts: 3,904
    You guys are getting still that impeachable offenses need not be illegal
  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,183

    SFGbob said:

    And if the argument was over how many times Trump said "no collusion" or if Trump has ever used the word "collusion" you'd be kicking ass right now AoG.

    But unfortunately for you the points of contention are these claims by you:

    Collusion has always been the GOP rhetoric not the lefts

    Trump started the use of "collusion" as a means of setting up an either-or.

    And those claims are pure garbage. But keep fucking that chicken.

    Collusion hasn't "always" been part of the GOP's rhetoric. It was started by the Rats and their pals in the press. I posted a link that showed you where ABC News was using the word in July of 2016. Trump denying what he was being accused of doing isn't him "start[ing]" anything.

    Fine. So tell me then why the present Commander in Chief didn't call the FBI having his campaign meet with Russian operatives repeatedly.
    Yeah, forgot all of that earlier bullshit I claimed and focus instead on this new line of bullshit.


  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 114,028 Founders Club

    You guys are getting still that impeachable offenses need not be illegal

    High crimes and misdemeanors

    Go ahead and do it.
  • ApostleofGrief
    ApostleofGrief Member Posts: 3,904
    SFGbob said:

    SFGbob said:

    And if the argument was over how many times Trump said "no collusion" or if Trump has ever used the word "collusion" you'd be kicking ass right now AoG.

    But unfortunately for you the points of contention are these claims by you:

    Collusion has always been the GOP rhetoric not the lefts

    Trump started the use of "collusion" as a means of setting up an either-or.

    And those claims are pure garbage. But keep fucking that chicken.

    Collusion hasn't "always" been part of the GOP's rhetoric. It was started by the Rats and their pals in the press. I posted a link that showed you where ABC News was using the word in July of 2016. Trump denying what he was being accused of doing isn't him "start[ing]" anything.

    Fine. So tell me then why the present Commander in Chief didn't call the FBI having his campaign meet with Russian operatives repeatedly.
    Yeah, forgot all of that earlier bullshit I claimed and focus instead on this new line of bullshit.


    No. I'm just pointing out that even if I grant you this point, my argument holds up. The argument is that he needs to be impeached regardless of collusion which is just a rhetorical device used to create a false dichotomy.
  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,183
    Isn't it amazing how they have absolutely no interest in the one Presidential campaign that we know for a fact did collude with the Russians in order impact the election.


    Hillary paid for a British foreign national to gather dirt on Trump, from his Russian sources, none of which has ever been verified and which the author himself says was mostly bullshit and in all likelihood Russian disinformation that was then used by State Department, the DOJ the FBI and CIA to open up a counter-intelligence investigation on the Trump campaign, and none of you Kunt give a shit.

    Why are you not upset about the DNC and Hillary using "Russian operatives" to gather dirt on Trump?
  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,183
    edited May 2019

    SFGbob said:

    SFGbob said:

    And if the argument was over how many times Trump said "no collusion" or if Trump has ever used the word "collusion" you'd be kicking ass right now AoG.

    But unfortunately for you the points of contention are these claims by you:

    Collusion has always been the GOP rhetoric not the lefts

    Trump started the use of "collusion" as a means of setting up an either-or.

    And those claims are pure garbage. But keep fucking that chicken.

    Collusion hasn't "always" been part of the GOP's rhetoric. It was started by the Rats and their pals in the press. I posted a link that showed you where ABC News was using the word in July of 2016. Trump denying what he was being accused of doing isn't him "start[ing]" anything.

    Fine. So tell me then why the present Commander in Chief didn't call the FBI having his campaign meet with Russian operatives repeatedly.
    Yeah, forgot all of that earlier bullshit I claimed and focus instead on this new line of bullshit.


    No. I'm just pointing out that even if I grant you this point, my argument holds up. The argument is that he needs to be impeached regardless of collusion which is just a rhetorical device used to create a false dichotomy.
    Yeah, your argument that I completely destroyed and that you repeatedly lied about held up great.
  • ApostleofGrief
    ApostleofGrief Member Posts: 3,904
    edited May 2019
    SFGbob said:

    Isn't it amazing how they have absolutely no interest in the one Presidential campaign that we know for a fact did collude with the Russians in order impact the election.


    Hillary paid for a British foreign national to gather dirt on Trump, from his Russian sources, none of which has ever been verified and which the author himself says was mostly bullshit and in all likelihood Russian disinformation that was then used by State Department, the DOJ the FBI and CIA to open up a counter-intelligence investigation on the Trump campaign, and none of you Kunt give a shit.

    Why are you not upset about the DNC and Hillary using "Russian operatives" to gather dirt on Trump?

    It is fine with me if they investigate this. The investigation started with a tipoff from the Australian intelligence not this report (which was not started by Hillary.) It's a red herring since as I keep reminding you: Trump didn't report his contacts to the FBI.
  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    You guys are getting still that impeachable offenses need not be illegal

    A president can also commit a crime and not be impeached and confirmed through the Senate.
  • ApostleofGrief
    ApostleofGrief Member Posts: 3,904
    2001400ex said:

    You guys are getting still that impeachable offenses need not be illegal

    A president can also commit a crime and not be impeached and confirmed through the Senate.
    Well look, impeachment is only for expulsion from office. It's a political process not a legal one.
  • pawz
    pawz Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 22,470 Founders Club
    I didn't think it was possible to be so pathologically full of shit. Until Hondo.
  • ApostleofGrief
    ApostleofGrief Member Posts: 3,904

    You guys are getting still that impeachable offenses need not be illegal

    High crimes and misdemeanors

    Go ahead and do it.
    That is exactly what I told my congressman
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 114,028 Founders Club

    You guys are getting still that impeachable offenses need not be illegal

    High crimes and misdemeanors

    Go ahead and do it.
    That is exactly what I told my congressman
    And I'm sure he doesn't give a shit

    Pelosi said Trump is trying to troll the Democrats into impeachment

    You guys don't have the GUTS to do anything other than piss and moan for 8 years
  • Doogles
    Doogles Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 12,728 Founders Club
    I used to think Apostle's Central football shtick was hilarious. Now I'm actually concerned it's not a bit.
  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,183

    SFGbob said:

    Isn't it amazing how they have absolutely no interest in the one Presidential campaign that we know for a fact did collude with the Russians in order impact the election.


    Hillary paid for a British foreign national to gather dirt on Trump, from his Russian sources, none of which has ever been verified and which the author himself says was mostly bullshit and in all likelihood Russian disinformation that was then used by State Department, the DOJ the FBI and CIA to open up a counter-intelligence investigation on the Trump campaign, and none of you Kunt give a shit.

    Why are you not upset about the DNC and Hillary using "Russian operatives" to gather dirt on Trump?

    It is fine with me if they investigate this. The investigation started with a tipoff from the Australian intelligence not this report (which was not started by Hillary.) It's a red herring since as I keep reminding you: Trump didn't report his contacts to the FBI.
    The Steele Dossier wasn’t started until Hillary and the DNC started paying Fusion GPS through the Perkins Coie law firm. It’s a lie to say otherwise which I keep telling you and Hondo. Hondo keeps repeating it because he is a pathological liar, what is your excuse?