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"Collusion" sets up a false choice

ApostleofGriefApostleofGrief Member Posts: 3,904
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edited May 2019 in Tug Tavern
Trump advanced the oversimplified notion that if there was no collusion, then he's not guilty.

There is both legal and illegal collusion, but it makes no difference because the impeachable offense is that his team repeatedly met with Russian operatives, the team expecting to benefit from their stolen information. Call it collusion, call it legal, call it illegal. The bottom line is that it is impeachable because this was the nominee for president of the United States AND HE MADE NO ATTEMPT TO WARN THE FBI.
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  • SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 31,919
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    Was any "stolen" information exchanged? What was this "stolen" information?
  • ApostleofGriefApostleofGrief Member Posts: 3,904
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    "the Russian government perceived it would benefit from a Trump presidency and worked to secure that outcome, and that the Campaign expected it would benefit electorally from information stolen and released through Russian efforts."

    Mueller

    That sentence is all you need to impeach. It would have been forgiven if Trump disclosed his contacts to the FBI BUT HE DIDN'T INSTEAD FIRING THE FBI DIRECTOR BECAUSE OF THE RUSSIAN THING. His very words
  • SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 31,919
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    Because the Russian's perceived they'd be better off if Trump won that's all you need to impeach? I'm pretty sure the Israelis thought that they'd be better if Trump won, is that another grounds for impeachment?

    What stolen information was exchanged and did the campaign know that Russian had stole the information?
  • SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 31,919
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    Why didn't Mueller charge anyone with this crime?
  • greenbloodgreenblood Member Posts: 14,272
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    edited May 2019

    "the Russian government perceived it would benefit from a Trump presidency and worked to secure that outcome, and that the Campaign expected it would benefit electorally from information stolen and released through Russian efforts."

    Mueller

    That sentence is all you need to impeach. It would have been forgiven if Trump disclosed his contacts to the FBI BUT HE DIDN'T INSTEAD FIRING THE FBI DIRECTOR BECAUSE OF THE RUSSIAN THING. His very words

    Wouldn't the FBI already know about it, since they were spying on his campaign?
  • BendintheriverBendintheriver Member Posts: 5,253
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    Trump advanced the oversimplified notion that if there was no collusion, then he's not guilty.

    There is both legal and illegal collusion, but it makes no difference because the impeachable offense is that his team repeatedly met with Russian operatives, the team expecting to benefit from their stolen information. Call it collusion, call it legal, call it illegal. The bottom line is that it is impeachable because this was the nominee for president of the United States AND HE MADE NO ATTEMPT TO WARN THE FBI.

    So desperate and so weak. Democrats have zero interest in the illegal spying on a Presidential campaign and the real collusion by the democrat candidate and and the Obama team but boy you have time to come up with a fourth tier scandal after the first three tiers failed.
  • SledogSledog Member Posts: 30,483
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    Russians wanted Hillary. Trump is much harder on them than "reset" girl. HTH
  • ApostleofGriefApostleofGrief Member Posts: 3,904
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    Clinton was really impeached for getting a blowjob in the White House. Perjury was a mere pretext. The president should have the utmost integrity.
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 100,717
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    Clinton was really impeached for getting a blowjob in the White House. Perjury was a mere pretext. The president should have the utmost integrity.

    Bullshit
  • ApostleofGriefApostleofGrief Member Posts: 3,904
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    Clinton was really impeached for getting a blowjob in the White House. Perjury was a mere pretext. The president should have the utmost integrity.

    Bullshit
    Look up the ancient origins of high crimes. It's not necessarily crimes that are impeachable. The president cannot be getting blowjobs during office time in adjoining rooms nor can he be entertaining offers willingly for stolen information. But it may be legal anyway. We can't have that going in...
  • SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 31,919
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    Clinton was really impeached for getting a blowjob in the White House. Perjury was a mere pretext. The president should have the utmost integrity.

    Another one of the left's favorite lies.
  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
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    SFGbob said:

    Because the Russian's perceived they'd be better off if Trump won that's all you need to impeach? I'm pretty sure the Israelis thought that they'd be better if Trump won, is that another grounds for impeachment?

    What stolen information was exchanged and did the campaign know that Russian had stole the information?

    The answer is right in the Mueller report and has been posted online multiple multiple times. Lil lyin Bob.
  • greenbloodgreenblood Member Posts: 14,272
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    Clinton was really impeached for getting a blowjob in the White House. Perjury was a mere pretext. The president should have the utmost integrity.

    Wow

    You really are retarded
  • greenbloodgreenblood Member Posts: 14,272
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    Clinton was really impeached for getting a blowjob in the White House. Perjury was a mere pretext. The president should have the utmost integrity.

    Bullshit
    Look up the ancient origins of high crimes. It's not necessarily crimes that are impeachable. The president cannot be getting blowjobs during office time in adjoining rooms nor can he be entertaining offers willingly for stolen information. But it may be legal anyway. We can't have that going in...
    And you doubled down. Good for you
  • SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 31,919
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    2001400ex said:

    SFGbob said:

    Because the Russian's perceived they'd be better off if Trump won that's all you need to impeach? I'm pretty sure the Israelis thought that they'd be better if Trump won, is that another grounds for impeachment?

    What stolen information was exchanged and did the campaign know that Russian had stole the information?

    The answer is right in the Mueller report and has been posted online multiple multiple times. Lil lyin Bob.
    Another lie from Hondo.


    I recall you putting your head up your ass posting something about Papadopoulos meeting Mifsud in London because you're a fucking moron who thought had something to do with the Trump Tower meeting but that information has never been posted here despite your repeated lies to the contrary. "Dirt on Hillary" doesn't establish stolen DNC and Hillary emails despite your repeated lies to the contrary.
  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
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    Lil lyin Bob refuses to read the Mueller report.
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