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"OKG" is racist according to Oregon

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  • HillsboroDuckHillsboroDuck Member Posts: 9,186

    This is ridiculous. Maybe we need to offer this guy and his friends to put this issue to bed.


    Having you been reading the thread? Africans don't count.
  • DooglesDoogles Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 12,696 Founders Club
    edited April 2019
    What exact part of the okg pitch is coming off as racist? Serious question.
  • Dennis_DeYoungDennis_DeYoung Member Posts: 14,754

    This is ridiculous. Maybe we need to offer this guy to put this issue to bed.



    Yeah, he's raw, but I can see him becoming a key contributor by his junior season, not to mention the recruiting effect.

    Looks smarter than Benji Olson at least.
  • CallMeBigErnCallMeBigErn Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 8,028 Swaye's Wigwam

    Having you been reading the thread? Africans don't count.
    He's from Detroit.
  • TequillaTequilla Member Posts: 20,025
    genzhusky said:

    OKG system is basically asking for yes men and there is no room for overt individuality or personalities who can disrupt the system. It just so happens that this OKG mantra does not extend to a specific demographic. So like its not straight up racism, but you can argue that the system disadvantages or discriminates against the recruitment of African Americans. I'm not saying that I believe this but in today's PC culture everything is racist and it's honestly really easy to make the argument that OKG is racist. Personally I don't care how they act as long as they can ball but as long as Pete is the coach, his OKG system will stay in some capacity.

    Pretty sure that we don't look for "yes men" in the program

    We look for people willing to work their ass off, willing to put the work in to develop, and are going to embrace the process. The rest we only care about if you can play.
  • TequillaTequilla Member Posts: 20,025
    Domicillo said:

    Exactly why I said that, cause there is a whole segment of society today that see's anytime someone points out that something may be biased against a different racial group, their default response is "Are you calling me racist?". When asking people to recognize that the language we use, the processes in place or the manner in which we reach out may not appeal the same way to African American households, isn't calling someone racist. It's asking people to recognize that it exists and if we want to avoid that perception we need to actively change how we go about it.

    There's a reason every time @Dennis_DeYoung has brought up this issue over the past couple years, he has to preface it with "I don't think Pete is racist". Because Pete isn't racist, but he has a major blind spot if he thinks his messaging and the perception of it is being received equally across all racial and other demographic lines.
    I largely agree with what you're saying ...

    I get a little sideways when people start talk about "messaging" and "appeal" type things ... I get why it is important, etc. and been through a number of different examples via trainings that this stuff becomes so transparent.

    The reality is that we're never going to all speak some kind of universal language. It's not going to happen. And there's so many different ways that people grew up, etc. that you're never going to be able to convey and connect in someone else's language at all times.

    But to your point, I think that what is highlighted may be nuanced and change depending on the subject. That's a very fair point.

    I don't think that Pete has a blind spot as much as that there are characteristics of what he's looking for that doesn't probably correlate as well to certain segments. I don't think it's race driven as much as what Dennis has pointed out regarding slow vs fast strategy.
  • GwadGwad Member Posts: 2,855
    I think Pete believes in melanin inequality.
  • TequillaTequilla Member Posts: 20,025
    lawsandl said:

    Avalos would be Small’s position coach. You think he’s bad mouthing Peterson?
    You never know who is or isn't unless you are in the room. And likewise, hard to know how much validity any of this has when you aren't in the room.

    In the course of a person's career, there are going to be a handful of times where you have an ethical decision about the manner in which you go about doing things, who you work for, etc. If this is happening at Oregon this is probably one of those times for Avalos.
  • CallMeBigErnCallMeBigErn Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 8,028 Swaye's Wigwam
    edited April 2019

    Okay. What does that have to do with our recruiting demographics vs say, Auburn.

    Look at all the Pac 12 teams. They all have slightly more white people, more mixed people, and way way more polynesians than schools from the big 12 or SEC. We also had a Chinese all american player...Saban doesnt because he is a racist?

    It's demographics, that's it. Some here way overthink it.
    Bingo. It's like saying Saban hates white people. Which he does.
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